Does being the biggest draw equal to being the most entertaining? Nope

[Bernkastel]

John Cena's Pleasure Mouth lmaois actually right here. Bernkastel has some theory that Kane is a bigger draw than DB and all three shield members. Personally think its stupid but at least he has some study/statistical analysis of house shows to back up his point other than ignoring any comment that is made or calling them an apologist

A study/statistical analysis, and logic behind why the numbers can be applied to actual booking. Like my whole argument as to why Kane was a bigger draw than Bryan in 2014 was due to Kane's longevity and Bryan's injury. At first I was initially surprised when hardly anyone made that correlation, but then again we go through it every year in the WZT.

Someone will say Austin is the biggest draw of all time. Then someone else will say Hogan drew more. Then the first guy will retort that Austin drew more in the short run than Hogan [which is true.] But then the other guy will say that Austin lacked longevity and that Hogan drew more in the long run, so overall he was the bigger draw [which is also true.]

Same thing.

 

[Crocker]

Bernkastel what is your LoL name so I can look you up?

 

[Bernkastel]

Bernkastel what is your LoL name so I can look you up?

Echelon999. I haven't played in months.

 

[Crocker]

Er... because he's a heel. And he's not the top star. Nor is he being pushed as a megastar. Do you seriously not understand this?

Thats the thing though. If he were as big of a draw as you think he is, he would be a top star.

Also having protection doesn't equate to better booking. John Cena isn't as protected as Lesnar or Undertaker right now, and yet he was the one fighting for the world title at Summerslam. They weren't.

So Cena has better booking than Lesnar and Undertaker? Cena was fighting for the championship, but it wasn't the main event match. The main event was Undertaker vs Lesnar. The title match played second fiddle to it. Undertaker vs Lesnar was hyped as the rematch too big for WM, it was getting wayy wayy more advertising and hype than Cena's match. Yes protection does equate to better booking in some cases, especially this one.

In 2014 Kane had 3 of those opportunities. Reigns had none, Rollins had none, and Ambrose had none.

In 2014 Reigns had 2 opportunities, one at Battleground (fatal 4 way) and MITB; Kane was in both. Odd that you counted those opportunities for Kane but not for Reigns, lol. Seriously do you even think before you post? That other title shot that kane received was at Extreme Rules against Daniel Bryan was just filler for Bryan. Look at the situation man ; Evolution was occupied with The Shield, and Cena was occupied with Wyatt? Where else would it leave Daniel Bryan?

 

[Bernkastel]

Thats the thing though. If he were as big of a draw as you think he is, he would be a top star.

Is he not? Because last I checked having multiple world championship matches and being featured in television and house show main events makes you a main eventer and a top star.

He's certainly not a midcarder.

So Cena has better booking than Lesnar and Undertaker? Cena was fighting for the championship, but it wasn't the main event match.

Who cares, a title match is a title match. That has more weighing on it than a glorified singles match.

The main event was Undertaker vs Lesnar. The title match played second fiddle to it. Undertaker vs Lesnar was hyped as the rematch too big for WM, it was getting wayy wayy more advertising and hype than Cena's match. Yes protection does equate to better booking in some cases, especially this one.

Advertisement and marketing don't really have much to do with the actual booking. Being booked for a world title match is the highest form of booking there is.

Lesnar/Taker may have been written from an advertisement and marketing perspective as being more important than Seth/Cena, but from a booking standpoint it was not.

Lesnar and Taker were fighting over pride. Not gold.

In 2014 Reigns had 2 opportunities, one at Battleground (fatal 4 way) and MITB; Kane was in both. Odd that you counted those opportunities for Kane but not for Reigns, lol. Seriously do you even think before you post? That other title shot that kane received was at Extreme Rules against Daniel Bryan was just filler for Bryan. Look at the situation man ; Evolution was occupied with The Shield, and Cena was occupied with Wyatt? Where else would it leave Daniel Bryan?

Reigns notwithstanding, because it's already been established why he was pushed through 2014, and why him being a poor draw in 2014 directly influenced why he was not given a title reign at Mania 31. And why Kane logically could have been considered a bigger draw, without even looking at the data. Kane was booked better than Rollins and Ambrose.

 

[Crocker]

Is he not? Because last I checked having multiple world championship matches and being featured in television and house show main events makes you a main eventer and a top star.

He's not a long term main eventer, in the league of Cena, HHH, Rock, Austin, etc.. he's an upper mid carder who can transition to the main event, like Jericho, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Big Show, etc.

He's certainly not a midcarder.

An upper mid carder. He's jobbed to Dolph Ziggler several times in 2014

Who cares, a title match is a title match. That has more weighing on it than a glorified singles match.

What? The Cena vs Rollins match had more weighing on it than Undertaker vs Lesnar? Lesnar vs Undertaker isnt just ANY singles match. It was the rematch too big for WM, they were really hyping it as something massive.

Advertisement and marketing don't really have much to do with the actual booking. Being booked for a world title match is the highest form of booking there is.

Look at the buildup for Lesnar vs Undertaker. They were trying to slaughter each other on the 1st raw on the buildup to SummerSlam. Cena vs Rollins just had a U.S title match which Cena won, but Rollins injured Cena's nose.. then all 3 competitors were out until the final week. So we can only judge the booking by the 1st and last week, judging by those weeks, Undertaker vs Lesnar had the better booking.

Lesnar/Taker may have been written from an advertisement and marketing perspective as being more important than Seth/Cena, but from a booking standpoint it was not.

Yes it certainly was. It was an important match for Undertaker, both men have a lot to lose. The result of this match can affect Undertaker's road to retirement massively. They could've had him lose and say "Undertaker doesn't have it anymore". Instead he got his revenge on Lesnar. It was really important for Undertaker's storyline progression.

Lesnar and Taker were fighting over pride. Not gold.

The title match has played second fiddle plenty of times in WWE. Where have you been?

Reigns notwithstanding, because it's already been established why he was pushed through 2014, and why him being a poor draw in 2014 directly influenced why he was not given a title reign at Mania 31. And why Kane logically could have been considered a bigger draw, without even looking at the data. Kane was booked better than Rollins and Ambrose.

We have no numbers to prove if Reigns was a poor draw or not. For all we know he could've been like Cena; draw good numbers, but get terible crowd reactions. The company didn't want another case of Cena, where the next face of the company gets hate from 60% of the crowd. Kane was booked better than Rollins and Ambrose in 2014? Kane was Rollins lacky in 2014 lol... and I do agree that Kane had better booking than Ambrose but thats not saying much; Ambrose's booking was fucking atrocious. Kane might be better booked than Reigns too; having Reigns win the RR when a fresh Daniel Bryan returned was a terrible decision.. then trying to make him into the next Cena with his "loony tunes" promos. Really? Vince is so out of touch

 

[Find'er Woo'er Ryder]

Your name looks good in red.