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I was actually a huge fan of the Eugene character, obviously as you stated it was a limiting one. They couldn't have taken it that far although he did have feuds with both Triple H and Kurt Angle.
I think he could have become more. He took a very hard gimmick and made it work well... that's not something everyone can do.
Sorry to say but Eugene "Nick" Dinsmore was embarrassing to watch, tolerate and endure. His mannerisms, the gimmick of being a ****** with his thumb in his mouth, and the imitations of Rock/Austin done on a weekly basis were some of the disgusting things to have been featured on Monday night Raw. Now that I look back in retrospect, it's disgusting that this idiot was made to be involved in major storylines such as Chris Benoit and Evolution, and even a decisive factor in HHH losing the 60-min ironman match to Benoit thus starting a one-match feud culminating at Summerslam.
That being said, he cannot be said to even be a "mediocre" wrestler because of portraying a ******, his mannerisms and movements were essentially those of a ******, and when he did hit some move, it would be an imitation of Rock or Austin . Thus, Nick Dinsmore as the character he portrayed was meant to be a waste of time and before long, he vanished from TV. It's doubtful that he could've ever made an interesting IC champion with talented wrestlers like Shelton Benjamin and Chris Jericho around.
It cannot be said he was mediocre full stop. This was the man who basically trained the famed "Class of 02" and was very nearly part of it himself, except at the time he was to valuable as a trainer.
Go back to OVW during that crucial period and Dinsmore was not only working a hard man gimmick and a top top worker but he was training guys like Brock, Shelton, Orton, Cena and Batista. That he could make such a controversial gimmick work to the extent it did PROVED he had IT, but Vince chose not to use him that way that's all.
This would've been pipe-bombesque YEARS before CM Punk did it.
Sorry to say but Eugene "Nick" Dinsmore was embarrassing to watch, tolerate and endure. His mannerisms, the gimmick of being a ****** with his thumb in his mouth, and the imitations of Rock/Austin done on a weekly basis were some of the disgusting things to have been featured on Monday night Raw. Now that I look back in retrospect, it's disgusting that this idiot was made to be involved in major storylines such as Chris Benoit and Evolution, and even a decisive factor in HHH losing the 60-min ironman match to Benoit thus starting a one-match feud culminating at Summerslam.
That being said, he cannot be said to even be a "mediocre" wrestler because of portraying a ******, his mannerisms and movements were essentially those of a ******, and when he did hit some move, it would be an imitation of Rock or Austin . Thus, Nick Dinsmore as the character he portrayed was meant to be a waste of time and before long, he vanished from TV. It's doubtful that he could've ever made an interesting IC champion with talented wrestlers like Shelton Benjamin and Chris Jericho around.
You really think that all these guys you see on TV are real don't you?
You couldn't even understand my post, and you're fucking saying I don't understand the concept of a wrestling "character" ! ? Go wash your face with cold water.You have a hard time grasping the concept of a 'character' right?
The handicapped offend you? You offend me.
Are you fucking kidding me? Read my post again where I clearly explain that it was Eugene's "Character" that sucked, not Eugene the real person. Nor did I say that Eugene-the real person- had no potential. Everything I referred to was in reference to the character "Eugene", not Nick Dinsmore.
Sorry to say but Eugene "Nick" Dinsmore was embarrassing to watch, tolerate and endure. His mannerisms, the gimmick of being a ****** with his thumb in his mouth, and the imitations of Rock/Austin done on a weekly basis were some of the disgusting things to have been featured on Monday night Raw. Now that I look back in retrospect, it's disgusting that this idiot was made to be involved in major storylines such as Chris Benoit and Evolution, and even a decisive factor in HHH losing the 60-min ironman match to Benoit thus starting a one-match feud culminating at Summerslam.
You couldn't even understand my post, and you're fucking saying I don't understand the concept of a wrestling "character" ! ? Go wash your face with cold water.
That being said, he cannot be said to even be a "mediocre" wrestler because of portraying a ******, his mannerisms and movements were essentially those of a ******, and when he did hit some move, it would be an imitation of Rock or Austin . Thus, Nick Dinsmore as the character he portrayed was meant to be a waste of time and before long, he vanished from TV. It's doubtful that he could've ever made an interesting IC champion with talented wrestlers like Shelton Benjamin and Chris Jericho around.
Stop being such a whiney mother teresa because this is a WRESTLING forum and not a sympathy or charity contest for the poor, deprived, and handicapped. If a gimmick of a ****** offends me, it's MY OPINION, MY CHOICE. Who are you to try to portray me as offensive? For all I care, you might be a big fan of both Eugene and Santino Marella. It doesn't make my point of view any less cogent, reasonable and personal. And Eugene-the ****** sucked. Live with it.
Your opinion and your choice both suck, and I find your use of the term ****** completely offensive. If you don't like that... too fucking bad. Like I said above... you're a guy that actually plays a character on a message board. I think that says everything that needs to be said about you.
So calling Eugene the character to be that of a "******", or calling a spade a spade is offensive? That is reasonable to qualify you as an idiot. As far as the accusation of me being a guy who plays a character, I say HAW HAW HAW. First you say I don't understand the concept of "character". Then you go on to say I'm playing a character here. Hilarious. I don't want to argue with you or even disparage you because clearly, you're confused as fuck and you can't accept the fact that somebody calls a spade a spade and me calling "Eugene" a ****** is not my opinion or feeling, he WAS a ******. Blame the WWE creative, and stop calling innocent, honest and benevolent people offensive and confuse eveerybody by your ambivalent assertions.
Ok there Sandow.
Like I said, ironic that the guy pathetic enough to play a character on a message board couldn't grasp that Nick Dinsmore wasn't the same guy as Eugene.
I see you didn't bother with anything else I said. Probably because you couldn't.
I find it funny that you, in the same breath, can call yourself innocent, honest and benevolent... yet refer to a mentally handicapped character as ******ed.
That's not calling a spade a spade. That's not being innocent. That's just you being an asshole... because with your whole 'gimmick' here, it's hard to justify that you're just ignorant about the use of that term... although truth be told, judging by your posting history ignorance is something you wear on your sleeve.
You've got to be kidding me! You're too dumb to understand it, so let me make it perfectly clear. According to this thread, I've been saying Nick Dinsmore as Eugene couldn't have been anything because Eugene- the character of a ******- sucked and made for some embarrassing segments. Mentally handicapped/******ed, what difference does it make? Are you going to further go on and conduct a psychological evaluation of the damn wrestling character and label it, and find it offensive if I say it's a bit of "Tourette's " , "Down's ", "Mental ******ation" , and more? .Please stop being Moral Police on the internet and grow a pair because I'm tired of your nonsense. Kindly stop portraying me as ignorant, villainous or offensive because clearly, you're nonsensical, absurd, and confused yourself. And stop calling me SANDOW. I like the guy but just because I'm eloquent and verbose and can verbally overwhelm you doesn't mean I'm playing Damien Sandow.
It's disgusting how you obsess over Eugene/Nick Dinsmore and call me ignorant. If you're such a big fan of Eugene, and find a Wrestlezone member calling a ******ed gimmick person a ****** offensive, why don't you go watch some Eugene matches from Sunday night heat and amuse yourself? I bet you'd find Eugene and Jonathan Coatchman pretty amusing too. You know what you won't find amusing? Dealing with a logical, opinionated and ferocious jackal as myself. You'd be lucky to argue with Damien Sandow- because THAT is a character. I'm as real as the mountain.
Sorry Sandow, it's too amusing here watching you try to call me an idiot, all well not understanding a damn thing.
Nick Dinsmore AS Eugene couldn't have been anything? Correct me if I'm wrong (not you, someone that actually has a clue)... but Eugene was pretty fucking over when he debuted, and stayed over for a while until the character itself lost steam... you know, since it was a character designed for a limited run, which was the entire point of this thread that's gone right over your head!
What's the difference between mentally handicapped and ******ed? The difference between you being innocent as you first said Sandow... and you being the asshole that you are.
I'm obsessing over Dinsmore? Hardly, but you wouldn't understand that. I just read this thread, saw how ignorant you were (again), and this time, instead of moving on which I have been for quite a while, I decided to finally call you out on your bullshit.
And for your sake, I hope you're just playing a character. Because if this is really you... walking around pretending you're a wrestling heel? Well kid, I hope you're pulling a Poffo (precurser for your message board gimmick), and learning to suck your own dick... because sure as fuck no one else is gonna.
You, Sir, are totally ungentlemanly, unaesthetic, uncharming, unendurable, uninspiring, unpleasing, unsophisticated, unbecoming............
I said a couple of true albeit harsh things about Nick Dinsmore being doomed to fail as Eugene, which is what happened. You take offense when I call a spade a spade and then go on on a relentless pursuit to try to put me down- First you call me ignorant and offensive, then you call me an asshole, then you claim I don't understand the concept of "character". Then you go on to say I'm playing a character! But when everything fails in your relentless pursuit trying to defend your beloved hero Eugene/Nick Dinsmore, you resort to using ungentlemanly, heinous, discourteous, profane, and blasphemous language and make reference to a "cock". I am tired, vexed, and annoyed now and no longer wish to discourse with you on "Eugene"- a gimmick of a ******. That's a fact and since you are too sensitive to face harsh criticisms of limiting gimmicks and the person who agreed to play them, you should've at least avoided going down the path of profanity.
Kindly take a good look at yourself in a mirror and ask yourself, "Who am I? Why am I the way I am? Why do I obsess over simple facts of life such as a bad and unpleasant wrestling character being pointed out on a Wrestling forum? ". If that doesn't do you any good, I'm afraid nothing can! Not even mentioning cocks in a Wrestling discussion.
Alright Sandow. Last time here and I'm done.
The OP's question... was whether or not Nick Dinsmore could have done better if he HADN'T gone with the Eugene gimmick.
Are you following along so far?
You admitted you know nothing of the guy outside of that gimmick, then proceeded to proclaim that he was a failure with that gimmick, while making some pretty vile comments about the mentally challenged (and I'M ungentlemanly?)
You completely ignored the point of the thread, which was to ignore Eugene and focus on the man behind Eugene.
There's your ignorance.
The fact that you completely misunderstood the OP's question and confused the character of Eugene with the man behind Eugene is why I said you don't understand the concept of a character. Pointing out how you didn't like Dinsmore's mannerism's when playing Eugene does nothing to answer the actual question... since if Dinsmore had a different gimmick (the OP's question), he wouldn't be using them. If you made the point that using the mannerism's he used as Eugene would show how committed he could be to playing any type of character, which would be an indicator that he could have succeeded under another gimmick, you'd be right. He played Eugene so well he was basically typecast as him.
You continued with your vile comments about the mentally challenged, despite the fact that it was obvious that you were offending with them. Quick tip for you. If you want to be offensive, don't whine when you get called out for offending.
If you were offended by a man who isn't mentally challenged portraying one on TV, then that would be a valid point. You never said that though however, didn't you?
There's you being an asshole... and once again ignorant.
Why do I care about you making vile comments about the mentally challenged? Because I have worked with many. These people are some of the best people you will ever have the pleasure to meet in your life. They do not deserve to be looked down on, or called names, for something that they were born with and is beyond their control, and I'll call out anyone who does.
The ignorance you display though... that is something to look down on because that is something within your control.
I actually didn't mention 'cocks' (although you seem to love that word). I said dick... as in a personal observation on what your life must be like based on how you come across here. Dick also works better than cock in describing you... since it really doesn't work to call you a cock... but it does to call you a dick. It's also pretty obvious you're someone in dire need of another human being that's willing to play with yours. Good luck with that. I sincerely mean that.
So feel free to pull out your thesaurus Sandow and construct another outraged post at me. I don't really care, since like I said I'm done here