Chyna passes away.

[Xemmy]

I've seen a lot of comments today on her passing that piss me off. From people mocking her for her porn background, using it to dismiss her contribution to the business to people trying to act like she wasn't an important legend to begin with. The only female Intercontinental Champion in history isn't on the same level as the real legends. It's infuriating.

 

[FromGlasgow]

Sad its another one way too soon, I agree with a lot that I don't think she gets the recognition she deserves, As well as Blackjack Mulligan and Balls Mahoney all gone within a week, Way too many wrestlers dying so young it feels like its an almost daily occurrence, Prince also today.

 

[Jeff Deliverer of Mail]

Sad to see Chyna go. My fondest memory is when she gorilla pressed Latino Heat Eddy over her head in the middle of the ring. One of the toughest women WWE ever had.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

I've seen a lot of comments today on her passing that piss me off. From people mocking her for her porn background, using it to dismiss her contribution to the business to people trying to act like she wasn't an important legend to begin with. The only female Intercontinental Champion in history isn't on the same level as the real legends. It's infuriating.

While she was a pioneer because of her look and the only female ic champion, she was also one of the worst 2 time ic champion. You think the ic title is in a bad state right now, it was in a worst state when she was champ.

I'm not writing to be disrespecful. She dead and it's sad, we lost ye another wrestler way to soon but what infuriated me, it's all the peoples that would mock her when she was alive and couldn't care less about her when she was alive then all of a sudden, we all want to praise her for what she did in the wrestling business. Peoples that hated her guts like hhh and stephanie mcmahon all of a sudden are nice and will say nice things about her when 2 days ago, they still couldn't care less and would have said the complete opposite. When somebody died, when became hypocripts and that the truth.

the fact is, chyna was at the right place at the right time, she didn't do anything special. Her reigns as ic champ were forgettable and even her trainer, the late great killer kowalski said he regretted training her. She tried to blackballed vince in giving her a raise that she didn't deserve, bitch and moan when she was demotted to the women's division and said that she was beneath the women's division. When she left, she made fun of everybody within the wwe and sadly even through she tried to meant fences with wwe, her past got up to her and nobody wanted to give her a chance.

Like I wrote, she was who she was, for some people, she was the greatest women in wrestling, to me, she was just at the right place at the right time and never was something special.

 

[Darkshadow1234]

RIP Chyna.

Loved you in DX and the eddie Guerrero storyline.

You entertained me

Most of these people on this forum disrespecting her while she is dead is fucking disgusting. SMDH

And people on this forum needs to hear this. Especially the WWE Sheep and marks on here.

So what if she did porn. So what.
she was trying to make a living.

She had personal problems.
She was depressed and on drugs.
Who could blame her. She was heartbroken and played. People take things differently from others. Cant judge her for that
HHH & stephanie fucked her over. Especially HHH. They drove chyna to do drugs and overdose.
HHH was a nobody before he got with stephanie.
HHH will always be the kevin frederline of Professional wrestling.
HHH only got with stephanie to get ahead. Nothing more

HHH and stephanie wanted chyna gone. And blacklisted her from the company.
What HHH and stephanie are saying now about chyna after she died. Sounds so fake and petty.
Fuck HHH and stephanie. And the whole McMahon family


Chyna sad that your gone.
Whether there is a god or not.
Or any afterlife.
Hope you rest in peace

 

[Darkshadow1234]

It's definitely a bit of a quandary when it comes to WWE's stance on Chyna.

First of all, it's a shame that this has happened and that she met her end this way; it's a shame that anybody comes to this sort of end. From what I understand, as of right now, it's being investigated as a possible overdose though I haven't read anything regarding whether it's accidental or intentional.

Some of what I'm about to say sounds heartless, it's not really intended to be, but I don't think endless praise needs to be heaped upon her or her life should be sugar coated just because she met an untimely end. For me, Chyna was never remotely a great female wrestler but, rather, she was a female who had a very unique look during a very unique time in pro wrestling. She was intimidating all around before she started with the breast implants, having her jaw worked on to look more feminine, etc. though she did keep herself relevant in WWE for quite a long while by reinventing herself from being this badass female enforcer to something more akin to the traditional sex pot Diva. I can't say that I ever really found her to be all that entertaining, she just happened to be surrounded by a lot of entertaining people like HBK, Triple H, the New Age Outlaws, Chris Jericho and Eddie Guerrero. While I was never a huge fan, I'd be a fool to try to deny she had a major impact and was a memorable part of the Attitude Era.

Chyna's problems, based on what we know about her, are more self-induced than anything else. Chyna has been significantly involved in drug use for a very long time and her drug abuse is part of the reason why her personal life became such fodder for the tabloids. Chyna winding up doing porn didn't surprise me in the least because it's par for the course for most women getting into porn to have a destructive life before porn or develop one while they're doing porn.

As to what WWE "owes" her, I've never really been against inducting her into the Hall of Fame but I just never really thought it'd happen because of her porn career. I can also see why WWE would be reluctant to induct her for personal reasons that have nothing to do with business. In February of last year, Chyna came out and claimed that Triple H physically assaulted her during their relationship, she even talked about it during a series of interviews with Vince Russo on his podcast. She eventually apologized for making the accusations and said that they weren't true, but the fact that she even went there was pretty despicable. Triple H has his share of enemies and haters just like any other major star in pro wrestling, but there's no possible justification for making such untrue claims. I remember that people were talking about the accusations for weeks, but that the talk suddenly died down when she admitted that the accusations weren't true; whenever a woman makes accusations like that, even if they turn out to be completely false, it's the accusation that people care more about and hardly acknowledge or remember the vindication of the person accused.

I am genuinely sorry that her life turned out this way and that she met such a tragic end but, as I alluded to, I don't think we should automatically be trying to elevate her to sainthood or fully declaring what WWE "owes" her just because she's dead.

Your whole comment is very unnecessary and stupid. And very childish. You are just like 98% of these wwe sheep here.
No one is making her out to be a saint or nothing.
She was entertaining to us. She was apart the attitude era. She was a pioneer for women. She paved the way for the females today.
Stop being a know it all douchebag. In reality you don't know shit about wrestling. Your just like all of us, just stating opinions. Stop being a know it all asshole ( Your opinion is not fact)
I never liked you. Now I know why.

 

[Darkshadow1234]

That statement could be said about a PLETHORA of male wrestler's including one Hulk Hogan.



She was never a "sexpot" diva. Yes she had SEX APPEAL but she never just "eye candy" for the male audience. She had true physical talent in the ring. She was not a "sex pot" like a Sunny, Sable, or Marlena where the main focus was T and A. Sure she was sexy BUT when she stepped in the ring we forgot about all that and watched her match.



She had a role. Her role was not to be "entertaining" but intimidating. She did that VERY well. I think she was entertaining with Jericho and certainly Guerrero. The mamacita gimmick was one of the most popular at the time and she did that well!



True, but we don't know what causes someone to go down the road of substance abuse. No one wakes up one day and says "I think I want to be an addict today!" It's usually a long, downward spiral. Yes they were self-induced but she had a history of emotional (and physical from what she says) abuse. I'm not giver her a pass but just to say it's her fault she's an addict doesn't take into account her past history of abuse. No one knows what went on in her life to cause her to go down that road.



I believe it was a cry for help. She has been largely ignored by Trips' and the WWE for 15 years (and rightfully so) but they spent enormous amounts of money of the rehabs of Waltman and Hall why didn't they send Laurer to rehab? ( She obviously needed it). Again, it was the wrong thing to do but I don't think she knew of any other way to reach out to Triple H or the WWE. She doesn't have anyone advising on the right or wrong thing to do. She's just sort of winging it off the cuff and sometimes that could hurt you.



I don;t think anyone is declaring her a "saint". She's certainly had her hand in the way her life turned out but we just want to remind people of the impact she had in women's wrestling and the WWE. Someone watching WWE today would not even know who Chyna was. I believe it is up to us, as fans who grew up being entertained by her, to keep her positive memory alive.

I agree with this 100% . People should think of the good memories of chyna instead of the bad. People make mistakes.

 

[steveh0481]

I would say a case could be made either way for her to be in the hall of fame. I'd say that if Koko B Ware, Drew Carey, and Pete Rose can be in the HOF, why not Chyna. It's not like most fans take it seriously.

 

[YatesA]

It literally hasn't even been a full two months since I created the thread on here in which I tried to argue that Chyna might be the single greatest female wrestler of all-time.

While that thread was only met with one supporter and many arguments, I guess I'll have to settle for the comments of praise on this thread, which are clearly only being written since Joanie is dead.

I was absolutely devastated waking up to that news and it does make me very sad that Chyna will now officially never have the full circle moment that so many troubled stars have had before her (looking at you X-Pac, Hall, Jake). I honestly think her involvement in porn is just a cop out, I don't think they would've brought her back no matter what but I promise you she deserved a nice return and HOF induction during her lifetime. No woman has accomplished what she had, and I am very certain that no one ever will. She literally is one of the all-time unique competitors and had she been able to co-exist with her ex and his new girlfriend this fact wouldn't even be up for debate.

RIP. Gone, but absolutely never forgotten. Thank you so much, Joanie "Chyna" Laurer.

I remember your post and it brought back fond memories of Chyna and I'm not sure if I stated my agreement but I did say she was my favourite female wrestler ever? Anyway sad to see her go and not reconcile with the WWE.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

I would not be surprised if this is ruled a suicide. Chyna has been screwed up mentally and physically for years. Would not have been surprised one bit if she had decided to just check out. As for what WWE will do? Cole and Mauro will each make a short announcement. Her picture will appear on the screen, and then will cut to commercial. That is it and all they are obligated to do. No ten bell salutes. No Chyna Memorial Battle Royals. No Locker Room tributes. Nothing. Just the bare minimum.

As for the HoF: IF she gets in, it will be in about ten years time. JBL's favorite "Power Couple" are not about to expose their children to the onslaught of taunts and bullying that will come their way in their elementary schoolyards. Thay will wait until the kids are old enough to understand.

Anythings possible, but from what I've heard, there wasn't a suicide note, and while there were a few prescription bottles lying around, it wasn't anything abnormal and none were close to being empty.

She'd apparently been dealing with anxiety and sleep deprivation recently. The anxiety of course would be something long term, but the sleep deprivation would have been a recent thing, and she probably just had some sleeping pills to help with that. She might have simply just took a bad combination of the two, or something to help her sleep that didn't mix well with the anxiety meds? I don't know.

It's sad though. If anyone hasn't, they should check out Mick Foley's Facebook page for his tribute to her (the WWE definitely should if they want lessons in how to do genuine and sincere). It sounds like all she wanted in life was to have the people she was closest to in her life (her WWF family). She seems like she was an extremely sensitive person, who never learned how to handle losing that when she was fired, and later ex-communicated by WWE, and as a result, made some bad choices that kept making everything worse for her.

Think about it. You're already a bit of an outsider. You have a bit of a hard time connecting with people, or having people connect with you. Then you meet a group of people that you do connect with. Who do accept you. Who don't make you feel like an outsider anymore. Who just make you feel like you're one of them.

To someone who never had that? That is everything in the world. Then to have that ripped away, and to only ever get fleeting moments of it for the remainder of your life? That's tough. I don't know how many of us wouldn't have made some of the same bad choices she did as a way to cope and figure it all out.

It never had to be how it was between her and the WWE. She could have been in the family. She could have been part of the events. Triple H would have known how much that would have meant to her.

It won't be the same, but they can at least give her a bit of all she ever wanted in death. They can put her in the HOF, and let her be with her family.

 

[Makaveli31]

While she was a pioneer because of her look

Wrong, she was a pioneer because she COMBINED sex appeal with physical athletic talent and physicality in the ring. All one has to do is look at the role of women pre-millenium to what it has become now. It was either or. You had the Miss Elizabeth's and Sunny's of the world or you had the Fabulous Moolah's/Wendi Richter's of the world. You either you going to be a sex symbol/valet or a rough and tumble wrestler. Even Alundra Blayze wasn't portrayed as a sex symbol when she was Women's Champion.

Chyna broke those barriers. She had the sex appeal yet she could also (believably) kick some ass in the rind. It opened the doors for the Trish Stratus's, the Lita's and even the Torrie Wilson's and Stacy Kiebler's to mix it up in the ring.

The Intercontinental Title was pretty big deal in 1999 and 2000.

it's all the peoples that would mock her when she was alive and couldn't care less about her when she was alive then all of a sudden, we all want to praise her for what she did in the wrestling business.

I don't know any REAL fan of hers that mocked her. It was the media that ridiculed her. I thought it was sad and tragic the way she spiraled downward. Every time I would see a headline I would hope and pray she would get though it. Even when she was going through the hard times I think everyone knew of the impact she had and respected her. I remember her appearing in TNA and she got one of the loudest pops.

the fact is, chyna was at the right place at the right time,

You could say that about ANYBODY. Hogan, Austin, Rock even HHH. It's all about timing and seizing the opportunity you were given. She took the ball and ran with it! She will always live in fans' memories.

Her reigns as ic champ were forgettable

No. They were memorable. The FACT that she is the ONLY woman to ever hold the I-C title makes it memorable.

She tried to blackballed vince in giving her a raise that she didn't deserve,

I'm assuming to mean blackmail. How did she try to "blackmail" Vince. She felt they low-balled her on her contract but EVERY wrestler feels that way. Name one who's didn't have a financial beef with Vince?

she was demotted to the women's division and said that she was beneath the women's division.

She never said the women's division was "beneath" her. Stop lying. She said it wouldn't be BELIEVABLE for the women inthe division (who were much smaller in size) to try and take on a woman of Chyna's size and try to get heat on her (beat her down). She also said it wouldn't make sense for her to go from challenging (and defeating men) to all of sudden have trouble defeating women.

she made fun of everybody within the wwe and sadly even through she tried to meant fences with wwe, her past got up to her and nobody wanted to give her a chance.

I think she deserved a second chance. People have done MUCH worse than her and gotten second chances. Billy Graham accused Vince McMahon of covering up rapes and HE got a second chance.

Like I wrote, she was who she was, for some people, she was the greatest women in wrestling, to me, she was just at the right place at the right time and never was something special.
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Maybe. But there WAS and will only EVER be ONE Chyna. Why haven't we seen anyone like her since?

 

[Dilligaf]

I was shocked to read that Chyna had sadly passed away.

Whilst Joanie had her problems & never really got over being released/leaving from WWE.

She will undoubtly be missed in the wrestling community.

2016 will surely be remembered for the year of the celebrity/famous person's death year.

With all the people we have lost this year and to add Chyna to the list along with Prince a day later.

A freind of mine at work said "who's Chyna" when we talking about the 2016 famous people death year & I told him who Chyna was, he responded "well ive never heard of Chyna, so her death does not matter when you compare to David Bowie, Prince or Alan Rickman, so piss off with your men-in-pants talk, your'e boring me"

Yes, Chyna did porn along with all the drugs she was using, but it does not erase her legacy from WWE & bygones should be bygones now Chyna is no longer with us.

At the end of the day she does deserve a HOF spot of her own, or when DX get inducted.

RIP Joanie you will be missed.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Anythings possible, but from what I've heard, there wasn't a suicide note, and while there were a few prescription bottles lying around, it wasn't anything abnormal and none were close to being empty.

She'd apparently been dealing with anxiety and sleep deprivation recently. The anxiety of course would be something long term, but the sleep deprivation would have been a recent thing, and she probably just had some sleeping pills to help with that. She might have simply just took a bad combination of the two, or something to help her sleep that didn't mix well with the anxiety meds? I don't know.

It's sad though. If anyone hasn't, they should check out Mick Foley's Facebook page for his tribute to her (the WWE definitely should if they want lessons in how to do genuine and sincere). It sounds like all she wanted in life was to have the people she was closest to in her life (her WWF family). She seems like she was an extremely sensitive person, who never learned how to handle losing that when she was fired, and later ex-communicated by WWE, and as a result, made some bad choices that kept making everything worse for her.

Think about it. You're already a bit of an outsider. You have a bit of a hard time connecting with people, or having people connect with you. Then you meet a group of people that you do connect with. Who do accept you. Who don't make you feel like an outsider anymore. Who just make you feel like you're one of them.

To someone who never had that? That is everything in the world. Then to have that ripped away, and to only ever get fleeting moments of it for the remainder of your life? That's tough. I don't know how many of us wouldn't have made some of the same bad choices she did as a way to cope and figure it all out.

It never had to be how it was between her and the WWE. She could have been in the family. She could have been part of the events. Triple H would have known how much that would have meant to her.

It won't be the same, but they can at least give her a bit of all she ever wanted in death. They can put her in the HOF, and let her be with her family.

Apparently, there was no suicide note found after Chris Benoit's murder-suicide.

Make of that what you will in both regards to Chyna, and Chris Benoit.