Zack Ryder.... AGAIN!

[Suviluer]

So... apparently Zack will start a new youtube show to try again... to get over... again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXULuZdiLyE

Now as personal opinion i like Zack he's appealing with the fact that he doesnt give up in his goal... WRESTING!... He loves the business and its always nice to see a guy that truly loves what he does, and takes shit but still goes out there.

Now I know the "IWC" is divided when it comes to Zack but to be honest, he didn't even get a shot, he got buried by EVE and CENA(shocking), what they did to him was criminal, REALLY a broken back!! and losing the title to Swagger, and just being destroyed by Kane, he wasn't even taken seriously. But he stuck with it, and is now sort of over, and still has potential to really over. but he's a jobber, how over can you really get?

My idea-
"Now this is real simple, turn Ryder... 3D! not this bro 2D gimmick, but a bro 3D gimmick, with real feelings, let him win a few matches in a month or two and then feud with kane as a way to "earn" his right and say that he's better than before and that he wants to prove that beating the monster that turned his world into a nightmare."

Now i want your opinion, remember NO SPAM! Do you think he can get over again? Could you take Zack seriously again? do you think that he deserves another shot, a real shot? Or would you rather have him make an "impact" somewhere else.

Real opinions here people, with real arguments.

 

[dotty_84]

I don't mind Ryder people complain about him because he complained about not getting exposure on TV, i sure as hell don't blame him for complaining. Oh yeah and he's still over more than half the roster who get regular tv time.

When WCW were kicking WWE's ass, they'd give talent a chance because WWE wouldn't or couldn't pay the contracts WCW were giving out. Hence you got The Rock, Austin, Mankind. Later you got Edge, Guerrero, Benoit (up into Main Events)

WWE don't do that anymore now due to no feasible competition to challenge them on their throne they can pick who they want to push 15 years back if you showed anything you got a proper chance. Zack Ryder got noticed from his own back but due to WWE who for some insane reason can't accept that they won't give the guy a proper chance, he's even made them more money due to his merchandise. It's something that holds WWE back, the fans did want Ryder and they didn't deliver, that's a huge error but now WWE have no repercussions because they have no threat from other Wrestling companies.

I'd like to see more of Ryder and let him have a go as a heel possibly he could be a solid midcard they guy who gets a regular pop the guy who can help elevate other talent who get a push, not this jobber milarky he's been saddled with for over a year.

 

[sTyLnK]

What Zack Ryder really needs...well, let me rephrase that. Who Zack Ryder really needs is Adam Copeland. Ever since he was forced to retire, Zack doesn't have anyone to turn to in the locker room. At least that I'm aware of.

The WWE, as usual has dropped the ball on so many wrestlers over the years. Steve Austin always talks about the Attitude Era and how so many wrestlers would compete with each other to be at the top. The thing is, there was a ton of star power at the time and Vince was a lot more forgiving with ideas and what not. It was a time when he would try literally anything. They don't have much star power left in the current product. I mean it. There's no one left. And wrestlers are clearly getting frustrated because they have all these amazing ideas and Vince won't allow it. I don't get his logic sometimes. The WWE has a lot of wrestlers with potential, but Vince is putting leashes on them and won't let them do anything, like he's being cautious. And here is he complaining about ratings. I wonder why? Again, I don't understand him sometimes.

I feel for Ryder, I really do. I'm not much of a fan, I think his mic skills and wrestling skills are very much average, but that doesn't matter. People can get better if given the chance. When Ryder had his mini push, you could tell he was getting more comfortable and it was actually somewhat enjoyable. But of course, they buried him, like usual, as I said in the beginning.

I admire his work ethic and persistence. At this point, he's getting desperate and you can't really blame him.

 

[TempestH]

What Zack Ryder really needs...well, let me rephrase that. Who Zack Ryder really needs is Adam Copeland. Ever since he was forced to retire, Zack doesn't have anyone to turn to in the locker room. At least that I'm aware of.
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Ryder is friends with a lot of people high on the card. As far as I know he's friends with Miz, Ziggler, and Jericho (Ryder wrote the foreword for Jericho's book).

 

[Jerichoholic8894]

I feel Ryder's best bet is to let his contract run out and jump to TNA, at least they would attempt to use him.

I don't think much of him, but i'm not ashamed to be proven wrong.

 

[Crippler CrossFace]

One of Zack's biggest endorsers ON TV has been John Cena. He's always wearing his merchandise, saying his catchphrases, doing segments with Ryder, and telling people to follow him on Twitter. Zack has over 1 million followers on Twitter and has been featured on television fairly frequently. Sure he isn't winning matches or cutting promos but he's on TV. Which is a hell of a lot better than his battles with catering.

I love when people say that his wrestling skills are average. I don't know anything about being a professional wrestler but I had a friend who went to the same wrestling school Ryder, Hawkins, Barretta, and Stryker went to. There are things that matter that you never realize that matter to Vince. For example did you ever notice how no matches are won via pinfall without hooking the leg? Well Vince does and that's what matters. Just because you know guys real names doesn't mean you have insight into the business or what being a wrestler in the WWE really means.

Lets just appreciate the fact that he's on TV now and hope that they have a long term plan in place which they actually might. Being on TV to prove he can handle "jobber" roles can lead to competitive matches which can lead to wins which can lead to more ... appreciate what we have.

 

[Gavschenko]

This time give him a decent push i dont know i thought vince loved money but i must be wrong although i hated Ryder he was the most over person at the time when his show was hot, every arena there was full chants of we want Ryder and when he came out the place went nuts, yet wwe continues to push the likes of del rio and miz as a babyface when really nobody gives a damn about eithier one of them. Only thing to do is turn him heel cause his career is dead at the moment.

 

[Charismatic Enigma]

This time give him a decent push i dont know i thought vince loved money but i must be wrong although i hated Ryder he was the most over person at the time when his show was hot, every arena there was full chants of we want Ryder and when he came out the place went nuts, yet wwe continues to push the likes of del rio and miz as a babyface when really nobody gives a damn about eithier one of them. Only thing to do is turn him heel cause his career is dead at the moment.

Exactly. I understand everyone is bored of Zack's schtick now (and so am I) but back in 2011 prior to WWE taking over the hosting of his youtube show, Zack was OVER, and in my estimation he has to go down as one of the biggest missed opportunities of all time.

With the reaction he was getting I would've given him the WWE title no joke. Putting him in that stupid Cena/Eve/Kane bullshit angle, where he broke his back, and was made to look like a perennial loser was about the dumbest booking I've ever seen in my life. People related to his character as someone that felt like a regular guy. Think of how many people get massively over as a face, without being a legit heel first (I know he was a heel previously, but outside of being Edge's crony I wouldn't really say he had a very heelish persona). WWE has always had a difficult time of finding top level babyfaces, he single handedly created his own hype, sold tons of merch, and got himself over, and his big payoff was to get booked like shit, jobbed out, and pushed back down the card.

Is his character played out now? Yes. Does he need a refresh? Yes. But should he be given another chance? Absolutely. Despite all the damage WWE did to him, he still consistently gets a bigger reaction than most of the roster, yet instead we are force-fed abysmal promos and matches by Ryback every week, who's credibility as a monster is already ruined, but due to the nature of Zack's character it's not too late for him to rebound with some good booking, they really need to get on that asap.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

What is he going to do that hasn't been done already?

The only thing left for Ryder to do is turn heel and start going after Cena. I don't know how well that will go over, but after seeing him being put in an ambulance by Ryback, there's really not much more they can do with him other than a heel turn.

And for those that think he can take this gimmick to TNA or somewhere else - it's not going to happen. I'm almost positive that character's owned by the WWE and whatever he does with that character stays in the WWE.

This is probably his last ditch effort to be in the picture of top WWE stars. If this doesn't work, he's permanently in the 'enhancement talent' category.

 

[H33LTurn]

The problem here is WWE will not push a guy who's gotten himself over without the use of the WWE "machine". Vince thinks guys should earn opportunities by his merit, not because the fans are legitimately interested in the superstar. It was amazing how Zack got the WWE Universe and the IWC emotionally invested in his bid for a push the first time Z True Long Island Story came out. Zack received praise from both current and legendary superstars alike. Unfortunately the inner brass within the WWE were the only ones who expressed apparent disgust with his push. At this point, I would say continue to gain a fan base on social media. Even if it doesnt work out in the WWE, Zack can make a living and a career off his charisma.

 

[tak161]

Quite honestly, I've never seen what so many others see in Ryder. Sure, he used an internet video to get himself over, and that is impressive. However, what I've seen from him in the ring and on the mic, I just don't think he is worth it. There are so many other guys who should be pushed who can actually have a 30-40 minute match, and can carry themselves on the mic and not sound like a 12 year old boy trying to imitate what he sees on TV. It takes a lot more than just an internet video to put yourself in the same category as the other guys on the roster. Being an internet internet video sensation does not mean you should be pushed to the moon by WWE. I think he's better served to be a jobber until eventually being released. Of course when that happens, TNA will swoop in and push him as the second coming of Flair and Hogan combined. They seem to love taking WWE cast offs and making them into something they are not.

 

[akathelaw]

There was a point in WWE's reluctant push of Ryder about 2 years ago when it became clear that he was out of his element in a championship setting. It was the Raw when Punk, Bryan and Ryder stood in the ring as the WWE, World and United States Champions. All 3 guys received a fairly mild crowd reaction, kind of one of those moments when WWE caters to the online smark audience and the general paying crowd doesn't get it. Punk and Bryan have soared in value since this event took place, and Ryder completely fell off the WWE map. He got a chance to impress with the United States title, and all Ryder did in my eyes is coast on his Youtube accomplishments. If you're a half assed champion, and you're booked to go over every other guy on the roster, pretty soon the locker room will no longer back you. Do you see why Cena could relate with Ryder?

Ryder took the hint, and everything he's doing now looks a lot better than a few months ago. He's gotta get that drive to be the best, so he matches up with the other top guys. Having Youtube fans doesn't mean anything when it comes to championships.

 

[IT Factor]

I like Ryder and think he has more than enough talent to become a huge star. He is massively over with the smart fans and marks alike. The problem is that WWE have made him into a joke act like Santino Marella and no one takes him seriously. He needs to drop the whole broski thing and be a serious character with real depth. The whole Jersey shore gimmick is awful and he needs to be a kickass character instead. Once he finds a greater role as a heel, I think he can reinvent himself and rise above the mediocrity and be a main eventer. He definitely is better than someone like Dolph Ziggler in my view who has yet to produce one memorable breakout moment and only has decent matches despite being one of the internet favorites.

 

[UFOcalling]

The problem here is WWE will not push a guy who's gotten himself over without the use of the WWE "machine".

Exactly. Ryder got himself over, without the help of Vince. He did it himself, through his youtube channel. Vince isn't dumb, however. He took advantage of Ryder's popularity at that time: how? He put the US Strap on him. Part of that was to elevate Ziggler, and to get the US Title off him (so he could focus more on Money in the Bank), but it was also because Vince knew the audience was behind Ryder (again, at the time). Eventually, Ryder got buried and became a jobber again. No mic time on Raw, etc.

The last couple of times I remember seeing Ryder on WWE TV, it seems like he's growing his hair longer again. That to me SCREAMS gimmick change in the near future (obviously he can't take care & spike his hair anymore, because it's getting too long). Getting back to H33LTurn's point about Vince feeling "responsible" for the success of WWE's superstars, it seems that Vince and Co. are going to try to get Ryder over the EXACT SAME WAY Ryder originally got himself over. The major difference is that this time, if it works, Vince and Co. will be able to say "Ryder didn't make Ryder, WE made Ryder".

I might be wrong, but the new "Teaser Trailer" (or whatever you want to call it) makes Zack's "new" show look like it will be the antithesis of what his original show was (as evidenced by the "circle & slash" through the old logo at the end of the clip). Who knows though? ...maybe that's not the direction WWE Creative and/or Ryder are going for. The "circle/slash" does seem to point even further toward a gimmick change though, does it not?

Will Ryder's new youtube show be as popular as his original "Z! True Long Island Story" was? Will Zack be as popular (if not more so) than he was when he was the US Champ? I suppose only time will tell. I have the highest hopes for Ryder, but lightning seldomly strikes twice...and when it does, it usually doesn't shine as brightly as it did the first time. But there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule(s), and my hope is that this will be one of them. Obviously we'll just have to wait and see. In any event, I'm excited to see Mr. Ryder get a gimmick change, and hopefully another shot at WWE glory. If not, I wouldn't mind seeing Ryder "cross the line" eventually.