You Say Crimson, I Say Gold

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I say gold not because of his comparison to Goldberg and his undefeated streak back in the wcw days but because... I don't understand how he doesn't have the title or have had a title shot EVER! In what other sport or business for that matter, would you ever find a guy who is dominant and receive nothing for it! Sure the tag titles are a step but for a guy who's undefeated? I thought the top championship in a promotion is contested between the best in that promotion! So why in the world has Crimson not even been mentioned in the world title picture!!!? I'm not the biggest fan of guys being shoved down my throat but to establish somebody that has the size and look of Crimson and give him a major push would be great for the company in my opinion. It's like promoting from within. He gets big. He's an all TNA guy. People notice him. Your thoughts?
 
its too soon clown shoes. Give it time... when there ready to give crimson the ball there goanna have a really good storyline set for him but that will happen after james storm and roode get a bit stale.
 
He hasn't been mentioned because he's not quite ready for it. Even Goldberg, a guy he's often compared to, didn't really see the title picture until he had really run through the mid-card successfully for roughly the first calendar year of his "streak". He was defending the United States Championship and feuding with WCW's mid-card stars before he eventually moved on to the World Title picture.

Crimson has a ton of untapped potential and I don't doubt he'll likely be there at some point in his TNA career, but have patience. He only debuted in TNA a little over a year ago.

TNA have their hands full right now with Hardy, Angle, Storm, Ray, Roode, etc. all in that scene at the moment anyway, and he's still very successful in the depleted tag division at the moment.
 
its too soon clown shoes. Give it time... when there ready to give crimson the ball there goanna have a really good storyline set for him but that will happen after james storm and roode get a bit stale.

Love the clown shoes reference haha. ala cmpunk. But good posts fellas. I'm not the most avid TNA fan, although I do follow it and was wondering why they haven't pushed him harder given the dominant nature he is portrayed in. I guess curiosity killed the cat on this one lol.
 
somebody that has the size and look of Crimson and give him a major push would be great for the company in my opinion

Why would that be great to have a big dude that can't wrestle being pushed as champ for a company like TNA that has taken pride in having great wrestlers?
 
TNA knows he's got unlimited potential.

They are keeping him very relevant with the Tag Titles right now. Especially with the MM/Crim and Joe/Mag feud. Best thing the tag division has seen since BM dropped the belts in what August?

I can see Crimson being TV champ by the end of year easily... World is pushing it.
 
despite the streak, Crimson has not been dominant inside the ring. he has had many matches where he didn't even control the match.
I don't see Crimson even being in the main event scene for awhile yet. maybe towards the end of 2012. despite the streak, I still don't think he is yet known enough to all viewers.
 
I say gold not because of his comparison to Goldberg and his undefeated streak back in the wcw days but because... I don't understand how he doesn't have the title or have had a title shot EVER! In what other sport or business for that matter, would you ever find a guy who is dominant and receive nothing for it! Sure the tag titles are a step but for a guy who's undefeated? I thought the top championship in a promotion is contested between the best in that promotion! So why in the world has Crimson not even been mentioned in the world title picture!!!? I'm not the biggest fan of guys being shoved down my throat but to establish somebody that has the size and look of Crimson and give him a major push would be great for the company in my opinion. It's like promoting from within. He gets big. He's an all TNA guy. People notice him. Your thoughts?

Do you not understand wrestling booking? Crimson is a rookie, he came into the company as a nobody and TNA are doing the right thing in slowly building him up. He is gaining more experience all the time, getting over with fans in the process and he is already one half of the Tag Team Champions.

People would have been complaining had Crimson just been given the title so early on in his career, and if TNA had given him a title shot and had him lose, it would have ruined the "undefeated streak" gimmick. TNA are keeping him relevant, having him increase his credibility all the time with more and more wins, and will unleash him on the title scene when they think he is ready.

The main event scene is full right now with Roode, Storm, Hardy, Bully Ray etc, so there isnt a spot for Crimson right now. However, its almost certain he WILL be getting a big push when the time is right. He could be a huge star in TNA, and one they created themselves unlike alot of the ex-WWE stars they brought in. Crimson has a hell of a lot of potential, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him as Champion within the next 12 months.
 
I'm surprised they haven't. They way wrestling goes anymore everyone is looking for that next big thing, but they don't want to put any work behind the guy. Luckily for Crimson TNA have actually been wise enough not to set him up for failure. They are grooming him for something big, and its actually quite refreshing to see superstars getting the proper treatment instead of throwing them out on a line.
 
Crimson, while undefeated, has not been dominant for quite some time. In fact, his singles matches all follow the same format. He is on the receiving end of punishment for the vast majority of his match, then, out of nowhere, he hits the Red Sky and gets the 1-2-3.

Secondly, he still is struggling to get crowds behind him (a problem his tag team partner also suffers from). It has been reported that his opponents on the UK tour have been receiving the 'face' heat and it is almost comical that, in recent outings, Joe & Magnus and, before that, Scott Steiner have received the Impact Zone backing.

His work on the mike is still very substandard, he really should have been kept with Scotty for longer to gain experience from one of the best.

Finally, he still is not polished enough to be Champion. Look at the types of Kurt and AJ - they are able to carry a good match with pretty much anyone. Until (and if) Crimson develops this, he cannot hold the strap if it means derision at his title defences. Just look at his last high profile singles match, the snore fest with the Blueprint that lead to the formation of their tag team on the following Impact. Would anyone really like this to be the last match on a PPV? The fans would be filing out after the penultimate bout!

TNA has a lack of credible heels at the moment, a turn by Crimson and dominating wins over the likes of Matt Morgan and Abyss could conceivably garner him a monster rep. He is a fantastic prospect but, he still has aways to go. I'd be very surprised to see him in the Main Event picture in the near future
 
Crimson really is a kid with a lot of potential. He looks good and is pretty quick and strong. As he polishes up his wrestling and promos I am sure we will slowly but surely move towards the World title picture.

My recommendation is to turn him heel with a style similar to heel Randy Orton, put the TV title on him, generate heel heat by brutally beating down someone like say Sting or Kurt Angle. Make him a dominant TV champ through 2012 and see if he could be ready to take the World title by Bound For Glory.
 
I'm just not seeing it. In my eyes, Crimson is one of the most overrated guys on the TNA roster. He does have a good look and is pretty athletic for his size, but I've yet to see anything from him in the ring that gives me goosebumps nor is he particularly charismatic.

While Crimson does, at times, get compared to Goldberg, the truth is that the guy isn't Goldberg. Goldberg, as one dimensional as he usually was, delivered believable intensity and intimidation when he was in the ring. Crimson simply doesn't do that. His intensity seems restricted to him making slightly angry faces, almost like he's constipated, on his way to the ring. Fans rallied behind Goldberg due to his undefeated streak, but not so much for Crimson. While most of Goldberg's wins came over jobbers and general nobodies, WCW was able to deliver this illusion of greatness to his streak and that most certainly hasn't happened in Crimson's case

I think Crimson has a lot of work to do before he can be looked at as a potential main eventer. He's nowhere near being ready to be TNA WHC.
 
I'm just not seeing it. In my eyes, Crimson is one of the most overrated guys on the TNA roster. He does have a good look and is pretty athletic for his size, but I've yet to see anything from him in the ring that gives me goosebumps nor is he particularly charismatic.

While Crimson does, at times, get compared to Goldberg, the truth is that the guy isn't Goldberg. Goldberg, as one dimensional as he usually was, delivered believable intensity and intimidation when he was in the ring. Crimson simply doesn't do that. His intensity seems restricted to him making slightly angry faces, almost like he's constipated, on his way to the ring. Fans rallied behind Goldberg due to his undefeated streak, but not so much for Crimson. While most of Goldberg's wins came over jobbers and general nobodies, WCW was able to deliver this illusion of greatness to his streak and that most certainly hasn't happened in Crimson's case

I think Crimson has a lot of work to do before he can be looked at as a potential main eventer. He's nowhere near being ready to be TNA WHC.

And I can tell you right now that the reason for this is because Goldberg was/is absolutely massive. You're talking about a former football linebacker (correct?) who was 6'3/270lbs. Crimson is billed as 6'6/250, but his body type is much more athletic and much less "brute" than Goldberg's was, which is precisely why the visual appeal isn't there as much as it was with Goldberg. In short, Goldberg was built like a brick shithouse. Crimson is built like a muscular swimmer.

Add to that the fact that he's not booked to actually dominate matches, nor does he use very many power moves in his ring set, and it's easy to see why he's not coming across as dominating.
 
And I can tell you right now that the reason for this is because Goldberg was/is absolutely massive. You're talking about a former football linebacker (correct?) who was 6'3/270lbs. Crimson is billed as 6'6/250, but his body type is much more athletic and much less "brute" than Goldberg's was, which is precisely why the visual appeal isn't there as much as it was with Goldberg. In short, Goldberg was built like a brick shithouse. Crimson is built like a muscular swimmer.

Add to that the fact that he's not booked to actually dominate matches, nor does he use very many power moves in his ring set, and it's easy to see why he's not coming across as dominating.

Right, so if he isn't dominating, what is he?

The answer is mediocrity. He doesn't do anything that pertains to being a wrestler better than anybody else. About the only thing that stands out about him is his hair.

His debut storyline was cool with the Main Event Mafia tease and in that role he was fine, but when his role shift to "lets give him an undefeated streak", his flaws became very evident. I think it was at that time that some fans thought TNA had gotten a guy that is in that typical wrestling superstar mold as he's tall and muscular. These days, no one really buys that as evidenced by the failed pushes in WWE of people like Ezekiel Jackson, Mason Ryan, and others. You have to bring more to the table and the guys that do will succeed. Until Crimson brings anything else to the table, he's just another generic muscle guy.

I don't see this potential that people say they see. Then again, potential is a very scary word. You can say it about anyone in hopes that they get better and then turn around and say "see, I told you he had potential", but it's still a dangerous line to walk. Maybe down the road he can do something to distinguish himself, but he hasn't yet.

Going back to your original point IDR, I think his matches are indicative of something. He gets beat up, hits one move and wins. That means he's either very limited as a worker or it's just poor match layout. Either way is telling. The kid is big and even though it's a lanky big, he probably should take that intensity to the ring. Toss some people around, get angry! Honestly, drop the undefeated thing too because he's in a tag team and just because Morgan will undoubtedly take the fall when they finally lose, that doesn't mean he's undefeated and it's kind of silly.

Had TNA had OVW when he signed, he would have been a perfect candidate to go there. If he had direction and his matches were better upon debut, maybe we'd think differently. As of now, he's basically an overrated generic big guy who isn't even really that big.
 
Your definition of gold is weird. This is the same guy who's "older brother" is a puertorican vanilla midget named Amazing Red, stabbed a masked loon with a board full of nails, got crippled by Kurt Angle and had his "leg broken" by Samoa Joe. If that's gold, Austin Aries is Triple Platinum. I'm sorry, but it seemed TNA saw there wasn't much to build around Crimson. We've already seen Bill Goldberg, Brock Lesnar and Samoa Joe plow through their rosters for a year and become big deals. None of them really lasted much on top, you burn them out quickly and shit, but beside that, well it's old. It's never long term. They're doing the right thing putting him with Morgan. Imagine if he'd won the BFG Series like he was about to and was World Champion. You'll find the same flaw there was to Bill Goldberg. How can we make him lose? And how do we keep him after that? Answer? Well look at Sheamus. He was fresh off the box in 2009, he was HUGE for early 2010, was nothing for the rest of the year and 2011. Now he won the Royal Rumble. We're establishing his character now after 2 World titles, a U.S. title, an absolutely pointless KOTR win and the Royal Rumble. Burnt before he got there. If TNA did that to their own resident ginger, you'd probably get the same results. Except Crimson is/was greener than Sheamus was back in 2010. All these "BAM, out of NOWHERE win's", falls off grace because no one can care for a generic monster for long and then they gotta rebuild him.
 
I don't see what it is that other people see in Crimson, but I'm not going to comment on him specifically.

When you have a guy people want to win the World title, you don't give it to him. Professional wrestling is in the business of selling stories. The story of Crimson working his way towards a World championship has much more potential then the story about Crimson stumbling into gold and defending it every month. If you want to know how to build a superstar, people should look to Shawn Michaels. People wanted him to win a world title for years- heel or face- before he actually did. The anticipation drove people nuts, and the match where he finally did win it has gone down in legend.

Would we all remember Ironman I if Shawn Michaels had been thrust there right out of the Rockers? It's not the destination- it's the journey.
 

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