You Know What's Sad (re: Cena vs. Bryan)?
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Hard Hit Prince
Not really working as a
Based on? Not in the WWE management that's for sure, but I am interested now. Who's the genius?
Danger Burger
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One of those guys is definitely better than the other. No contest.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
I find it hard to believe that he's not completely stupid, yes.
They both just go out and do moves for the sake of doing moves. At least Evan's look cool.
Seriously, how is it that he keeps doing that 10 elbow drop spot and no one has told him how ******ed it looks?
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
It is interesting to contrast the two. Does it bother you at all that a large part of the difference in the perception of the two is because one was all over the indies while the other was in WWE developmental? It is kind of amusing in retrospect that the biggest things that got DBD over had nothing to do with him and everything to do with how much a lot of people dislike the politics/booking decisions of current WWE.
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Ziggler is just not interesting and he isn't even that good of a wrestler. The day he becomes face of WWE is the day I stop watching.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Too many pronouns, you're going to have to clarify.
Hard Hit Prince
Not really working as a
So was I the only one that actually saw Dolph Ziggler easily making a babyface turn in a match against Del Rio? I'm sorry, but that wasn't moves after moves, it was great storytelling and great selling. Also, 80% of signature moves are ******ed but at least, he gets a reaction from that, so he's doing something right.
Hard Hit Prince
Not really working as a
That's weird... How can a non interesting guy be able to be perceived as a future face of the WWE? Well, he won't, like ever so you can relax. I was just stating the fact that he's better than Evan Bourne, by a landslide. Evan Bourne is a spot monkey, always was, Dolph Ziggler is middle entertainer guy and a lot better at working a crowd and delivering promos than Bourne, so better wrestler as a whole, proving myself to be right.
Also, I thought WZ didn't have that "if this happens I'm not gonna watch WWE anymore" type of wankers.
The Butcher
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Not the response I expected. Fair point.
Because for whatever reason you're hung up on that promo.
I like Ziggler, and I'm fine with the build to Cena/Bryan. I can tell when someone's mind is made up and they're not so much debating as venting. Ziggler is a fine wrestler, not one of my personal favorites but I can see why some people really like him. I don't particularly care who wins or loses tonight, I'm just looking for an entertaining match with Triple H staying as invisible as possible for as long as possible. It doesn't matter who walks out with the title; Cena is still the cash cow, the golden boy, and yes, a real wrestler to boot. In the event that Orton cashes in his briefcase, I just hope that they don't convolute it. Bryan winning would be a great moment, but I'm so numb to Cena that I'd be fine with him winning too. Should be a great show.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Remember these two had a match so good vs each other a few years ago WWE was forced to admit it was as good as a HBK-Taker match. Now I haven't seen that match, or followed WWE much in a while but unless DBD's match with Punk, whenever that was, happened to be highly regarded, Ziggler might have been his opponent for his most memorable/best non-squash match.
Also, part of the reason Ziggler speaks of Cena as he often does is that he knows the Cena persona is a crock of shit, even if he does do lots of make a wish IRL.
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I say it based on how many people think Ziggler is the greatest thing since sliced bread shit I often hear. Ziggler is mediocre at everything, nothing about the guy stands out. He sells like a dumb ass and outside of his face turn did nothing of note ever. His mic work is lacking and his matches are never that good. At least Evan Bourne can be exciting to watch from time to time which is more than I can say for Ziggler.
Its funny hearing a guy who has never had a memorable match talking about stealing the show so much.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Every time someone mentions Triple H I die a little inside now. I think I'm becoming a typical smark cliche. Last night I found myself thinking that Triple H weaseled his way into the main event to keep anyone from believing Daniel could draw. This way, if the card does good numbers, Trips can take all of the credit but if it flops, they can just blame it on Daniel. That sneaky cunt.
Egh. I need a shower.
Egh. I need a shower.
Danger Burger
Thread Killer
Big E Langston PPV debut tonight, or am I off?
I can see him getting the five count!
I can see him getting the five count!
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
When was the last time you bought a PPV?
He was a part of Wrestlemania in a match with Hell No.
Danger Burger
Thread Killer
Well there you go! I hope it was a memorable one.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
I don't think that match was as good as it was built up to be. Good match, but he's surpassed it by quite a bit since then. His match with Punk and his match with Sheamus and Extreme Rules last year were great matches.
Your other post may be a bit too smart for me.
Hard Hit Prince
Not really working as a
Your logic should make me believe CM Punk is the worst piece of shit to ever step foot in a wrestling ring, however I don't. It's debatable, I think Ziggler is very athletic and can get great matches with a lot of guys. I don't know, but I enjoyed Ziggler vs. Randy Orton, Ziggler vs. Cena and Ziggler vs. Del Rio. He does oversell, but so did Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair and in the right moments it's something that can add a lot to the match. His mic work is different, he's isn't insecure when he talks or anything like that, but he isn't The Rock too. He's a solid talker, not good or great.
Evan Bourne is crap and if you care for spot monkeys I shouldn't even be talking to you. Also, only main eventers have "memorable" matches and Ziggler's cash-in was easily one of the best ever, so a memorable moment and match. His feud with Cena was also more than satisfying at the beginning. I'm not saying he's the best thing, he isn't but he deserves the uppercard spot easily.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
It is some amalgamation of indy darling syndrome and talking about how Danielson getting fired and then squashed at WM were his two biggest career breaks. Otherwise he is stuck playing the same generic heel every other smaller worker has to when they get a push and his only gimmick that sold never takes off. I have heard tale of this Sheamus match but I really hate Sheamus' ring work so I don't know if I can bring myself to watch it.
He talks like a college freshman at a frat party. Not great but tolerable as a heel. Annoying as a face.
He's a good mid carder that can get an occasional main event. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
CM Punk is great on the mic and actually has some fucking psychology in his matches, same with Bryan. I'm glad Ziggler can flop around but his matches are abysmal. HBK had mad psychology and although he oversold it wasn't nearly as off putting as Ziggler.
Ziggler reads off a script and is not believable on the mic and its blatantly obvious, I don't buy a single word he says.
Ziggler is alright but he's a mid carder through and through and he has never shown me anything that dictates he should be any higher than that. Ziggler is a follower in his matches, not a leader. Unless he has someone to hold his hand he is incapable of having a good match. Lastly if he got fired today no one would care in a week, he's just not that good.
Bourne does a lot of spots but he can still put on a solid match because he has some psychology. Saying Bourne is just a spot monkey is like saying Rey in the 90's was just a spot monkey. Hes not as good as Rey or anything but he works his spots into the match, he doesn't just do spots for the sake of doing spots. Theres a big difference.
Hard Hit Prince
Not really working as a
Are you a freaking idiot? Ziggler pulled of a double turn, if that doesn't show you GREAT wrestling psychology, nothing shows it. This post is idiot, from top to bottom.
Are you actually saying Ziggler reads from a script? No shit! They all do. Ziggler is solid in the mic, he's as good as any midcarder. He delivers his crap with passion and in a believable way. Like I said, he isn't The Rock or Jake Roberts of any sorts, but he's unique and he isn't forced. Show me a bad promo from Ziggler and I'll shut up. If Ziggler got fired tomorrow people would care yes, because well, he's a two time world champion and, it may be just me, but he actually gets a great amount of pop when he comes in, so he's doing something good no doubt.
Good god! Now Evan Bourne is being compared to the best luchador in North America ever? I don't even know what to say. The only thing Evan Bourne sells in a believable way is the part where he misses the Shooting Star Press and actually huts himself by hitting the mat. In a normal match, Evan Bourne is a normal indy wrestler going from one spot to another and not showing any kind of emotion while doing that. Comparing Evan Bourne to Dolph Ziggler as a professional wrestler should show everybody how clueless you are.
It's okay to hate Ziggler, but don't try to tell me he's a piece of shit because he isn't. He gets good reactions from the crowd, he has more than solid matches every week and he's a solid talker. He isn't going to be the face of anything, but he deserves his spot and the fanbase he has.
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What they f*ck happened in the thread section here
Either you stole that analogy from one of my previous posts stating the same or I'm on my way to modship.
Both ways, I have a boner right now.
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