You Know What's Sad (re: Cena vs. Bryan)?

[The Butcher]

I really didn't like the Make-A-Wish thing being brought up man. It just makes me cringe. It breaks whatever kayfabe I'm engrossed in and I end up hating WWE for inter-twining the kids' ailments/wishes and angles. Hope they never ever do that again.

And I don't see any problems with that segment. I saw the segment again today and while I get why people are rolling their eyes at Bryan spouting "You no wrestler" at Cena, he is also by and large poking a stick at WWE's way of wrestling programming. The Miz (somehow) put it best in the backstage fallout segment in that one titled 'Snake Eyes for WWE Title'. How Bryan isn't the WWE prototype and this will probably be Bryan's only chance.

If only Bryan had discussed the differences between a Sports Entertainer and a Wrestler with brightly coloured flowcharts.

No problems with it here either. It wasn't as good as some people are making it out to be, but it was certainly effective. I just find the idea of refuting what Bryan said to be laughable. The whole thing is a ruse, so if there are people buying in then the performers are doing their job. In the same way that it's sad to believe in it, it's sad to argue with it. Either way it's an individual being worked into having an opinion.

Oh, and thanks for bringing up The Miz. I'd pushed him hosting SummerSlam to the back of my mind. Hopefully he's as on the money Sunday as he was in that Backstage Fallout you mentioned.

This kid ain't sick. He's an actor. And a dwarf. He's 36 years old.

You sure he's not one of those Progeria kids?

 

[Coco]

One could appreciate the quality of the promo without liking the individual delivering it. The mature option on entire topic is that it's a work. It doesn't matter what degrees of truth or fiction Cena and Bryan incorporated into their promos. Their ultimate goal was to get people interested enough to shell out for the pay-per-view. If there are people who were duped into thinking that stuff like John Cena's Make-A-Wish wish grant record or Daniel Bryan's pre-WWE globetrotting have anything to do with what happens on Sunday, then point for WWE. Whether one is hating on John Cena for their perceptions of what he is or isn't or hating on Daniel Bryan for what he said that Cena is or isn't, it's equally immature.

Sure, it's a work. But going to this extreme, which might turn some fans off to Bryan and make him look like a moron, seems like a foolish way to work people.

Much of the appeal of this match is getting people to want to see underdog Bryan take down the face of the WWE. Surely making Bryan out to be something even mildly unappealing can take away the fun in that. Did his most hardcore fans probably love it? Sure. But what about the moderates who also love Cena? Surely Bryan should be written in a way that appeals to as many people as possible. Surely that would be a better way to design this work.

The fact that I of all people am luke-warm about something done in the build to a John Cena-Daniel Bryan match is insane. And you writing off those criticisms because "it's a work" is equally moronic. Yeah, you cracked the code and figured out that they're selling a pay per view. Hooray! A gold fucking star to you! But that doesn't mean they're doing the best possible job of it.

 

[Danger Burger]

You sure he's not one of those Progeria kids?

He bought his own cigarrettes.

 

[Dirk]

One could appreciate the quality of the promo
without liking the individual delivering it.

Top marks for not mentioning Benoit.

Oh, no, I said "Benoit"...

 

[The Butcher]

Sure, it's a work. But going to this extreme, which might turn some fans off to Bryan and make him look like a moron, seems like a foolish way to work people.

Much of the appeal of this match is getting people to want to see underdog Bryan take down the face of the WWE. Surely making Bryan out to be something even mildly unappealing can take away the fun in that. Did his most hardcore fans probably love it? Sure. But what about the moderates who also love Cena? Surely Bryan should be written in a way that appeals to as many people as possible. Surely that would be a better way to design this work.

The fact that I of all people am luke-warm about something done in the build to a John Cena-Daniel Bryan match is insane. And you writing off those criticisms because "it's a work" is equally moronic. Yeah, you cracked the code and figured out that they're selling a pay per view. Hooray! A gold fucking star to you! But that doesn't mean they're doing the best possible job of it.

I thought I already "sealed the deal" for you.

He bought his own cigarrettes.

A Progeria kid with a fake ID?

Top marks for not mentioning Benoit.

Oh, no, I said "Benoit"...

And top smarks for making that correlation.

 

[Coco]

Sam's reminded me that I've overdone my serious posting for today. I'll get back to you.

 

[The Butcher]

Sam's reminded me that I've overdone my serious posting for today. I'll get back to you.

 

[shattered dreams]

I thought shattered dreams was to be taken seriously. Have I, ironically enough, made a fool of myself?

Possibly, mostly through focusing on the only line that wasn't intended to be taken serious. I don't see how the works hard, does make-a-wish is above Internet level material just because you perceive it to be "true" opposed to what DBD said. I still call shenanigans on Cena's presentation of how he has interacted with his fans over the course of his career. What say you to that claim?

Just admit you guys sold out and sided with big business. It is admirable that you didn't/don't want to but that doesn't change the fact you got fitted for a suit Monday. Who cares what the words were exactly? There is a clear difference between the style/career of DBD and Cena. That was what that segment meant. Cena is a PG entertainment God but he would make a shit Indy wrestling God. Get it yet?

 

[Coco]

Are you saying they framed the issue poorly? Because I agree.

 

[shattered dreams]

I'm saying they framed the issue fairly well and you are getting bogged down in semantics and the shares you hold.

Let's put it like this, do you think Danielson would want to be Cena?

 

[Alastor]

I'm saying they framed the issue fairly well and you are getting bogged down in semantics and the shares you hold.

Let's put it like this, do you think Danielson would want to be Cena?

Yes.

 

[ABMorales787]

So the fact that Cena said he'd only work for WWE totally contradicting that time said he'd jump to TNA if he didn't get his match with Punk 2011 is being ignored?

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Yes, quiet Riaku!

 

[KnowMyRole-ShutYourMouth]

At least Bryan brought up points about the match and it's importance. He kept it in the sports realm and didn't jump to the, "We do this for the WWE Universe" hyperbole.

Cena. Cena? You know what's sad about Cena? He can't even get over no matter how much he patronizes and panders to the fans with the "We're here to please you!" and "I do charity so cheer me!"

It's fucking dispicable. It was bad enough when WWE presented video packages to exploit sick children and the troops in order to put over Cena. It's remarkably void of self-awareness and rich with crass when Cena talks about "fighting for (x)" in a promo to hype a match.

But the WWE apologists won't let you hear it. They'll shout louder than you: "Cena sells T-shirts!" "He can't be replaced!" The only reason Cena's where he's at and won't be replaced is he's hit his ceiling. He's going NO WHERE! He can't act, he can't talk, and he can't wrstle. That's where D-Bry is coming from. Bryan mocking Cena is alluding to the fact that Cena has got over on look, while Danielson has gotten over on abilitty.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

Whole point of that segment was to create a gap beetween two face wrestlers. Something more then just a title match to give to the feud and to give people a reason to back up one or another. Though I agree that having to go to that route when you say to the face of the company you work for that he cant wrestle and that he is a parody and that he needs to defend himself by saying that he saves dying children form giving up might not be how I would did it, it worked perfectly.

I mean, look at you all just like little puppets in the eyes of WWE. From monday there has been like, 6-7 threads about it and how some people are backing Cena or Bryan in their clames. What I am trying to say is: It worked perfectly and did just like it supposed to do it.

And OK, overacted a bit. Here has been like 2-3 threads about it form monday.

 

[shattered dreams]

Ziggler gets it.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Ziggler would be much more suited for the role Daniel's playing right now. The match wouldn't be as good because Ziggler isn't 1/4 of the performer DB is, but he could spew this crap and make it sound more believable because he is legitimately ******ed actually believes it.

 

[The Butcher]

he actually believes it.

You really believe that he believes that, don't you?

 

[Coco]

Ziggler runs full speed into clotheslines, turnbuckles, and barricades. I don't think he's smart enough to understand the concept of working somebody.

 

[Coco]

It worked perfectly and did just like it supposed to do it.

Anecdotal: Then why isn't my money in their pockets?

 

[Danger Burger]

Ziggler runs full speed into clotheslines, turnbuckles, and barricades. I don't think he's smart enough to understand the concept of working somebody.

Thats not full speed, the dude's got you hook, line, and sinker.

He's not even blonde.

 

[Coco]

I know that bit. He's Evan Bourne's less-talented second cousin.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

I know that bit. He's Evan Bourne's less-talented second cousin.

Aside from the fact that he isn't.

 

[Coco]

His second-cousin? You caught me.

Less talented? Yes. Yes he is.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

Less talented? Yes. Yes he is.

Once again, no he isn't.