Yet Another Unpopular Wrestling Opinions Thread

[BringThePain834]

Since the last one isn't taking any more posts.

- Shawn Michaels is definitely not the greatest of all time. He would always get too much sympathy for coming back and performing again. He is great but nowhere near being the greatest. I consider the greatest of all time to be Lou Thesz.

- Brock's suplexes are getting way too sloppy

- Rhyno should have been kept on SmackDown in 2004 instead of being a draft pick for RAW.

- Billy Gunn's heel turn in 2001 should have lasted longer.

- Whenever Austin did that kick to the gut at the start of his Stunner I used to roll my eyes because 7/10 times it was too noticeable that his foot was nowhere near the other person's body.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Kofi should have been a Main Eventer by now.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

-John Cena has gotten better every year and should wrestle another 10 years.

-Roman Reigns is the best guy to come from The Shield

-HHH is the best champion WWE could have right now

-Lesnar should be even sloppier with the suplex

-Daniel Bryan isn't healthy enough to compete

-Dolph Ziggler is garbage

-Cesaro is as entertaining as an empty swimming pool

-HHH should win the Rumble next year, too. Or John Cena.

Not trolling at all, how I truly feel.

 

[Uncle Sam]

-Daniel Bryan isn't healthy enough to compete

They said unpopular, not medical. Take your PhD and go elsewhere, doctor.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

They said unpopular, not medical. Take your PhD and go elsewhere, doctor.

I understand your frustration. I want my Lesnar/Bryan masterpiece, too.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I understand your frustration. I want my Lesnar/Bryan masterpiece, too.

Oh, what SummerSlam 2014 could have been.

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[Coco]

I don't mind the Usos.

Brock's suplexes should be even sloppier than Nick is suggesting.

R-Truth is by far the worst wrestler on the WWE roster.

Big Show is better than Kane. Always has been. Isn't even close. Show's great. Kane's borderline unwatchable.

Eva Marie is not ugly. How is this an unpopular opinion among wrestling fans? I wish I knew. Y'all are some Adonis-looking motherfuckers.

Finlay vs JBL was MOTN at WrestleMania 24.

Khali's matches with Undertaker and John Cena were good.

I want to see Undertaker vs Braun Strowman at WrestleMania.

Bret > Shawn.

I really enjoyed Joker Sting and Sting vs Flair in TNA.

Fuck Jay Lethal.

 

[Bernkastel]

- As a headliner Triple H has been a bigger draw than Austin, Rock, Cena, or Andre the Giant. Fact.

- Dolph Ziggler is garbage.

- Kevin Owens is a future world champion.

- Big E will be WWE's first black world champion in the future.

- Nikki Bella should still be the Diva's champion.

- Brock Lesnar is no where near as big of a deal in the wrestling world as people think that he is.

 

[Bernkastel]

Khali's matches with Undertaker and John Cena were good.

Khali's matches with Kane, Batista, and Big Show were good. His matches against Trips, Cena, and Taker were amazing.

 

[Coco]

Khali's matches with Kane, Batista, and Big Show were good. His matches against Trips, Cena, and Taker were amazing.

Close enough.

 

[OYDK]

- As a headliner Triple H has been a bigger draw than Austin, Rock, Cena, or Andre the Giant. Fact.

I call BS. Proof?

- Brock Lesnar's suplexes should be sloppier than my ex after a 26 of tequila.

- Roman Reigns is still not ready to be WWE Champion.

- Braun Strowman isn't ready for the main roster.

- The New Day hasn't had a really solid segment in a while.

- Anti- Daniel Bryan smarks are worse than Daniel Bryan marks.

- Big Show is an all around better performer than the majority of the roster.

EDIT: Ziggler, Young Bucks are compost.

 

[Coco]

Also:

Dolph Ziggler is garbage.

J/K. He's useful.

 

[BaconBits]

Dolph Ziggler is legitimately the worst professional wrestler on the main roster. He's been the worst professional wrestler on the main roster from day one.

People who pay actual money to read what Dave Meltzer writes are incredibly fucking stupid.

The WWE doesn't need Daniel Bryan. They should never clear him, even if he's healthy. If he's insistent on wrestling again, let him go. Contrary to popular belief, he wouldn't move the needle for TNA/RoH/LU/NJPW one bit.

Wrasslin' fans who still care about what CM Punk says are the biggest losers on the planet.

I don't get the love for Finn Balor. For being so highly regarded, he's pretty underwhelming. He's decent enough in the ring, but he's got a serious lack of natural charisma. His whole appeal is just his entrances. He's pretty much a modern day Gangrel.

If you actually enjoy watching the Young Bucks, you should consider moving out of mom's basement. I mean, you're damn near 30 and still don't have a job that pays enough for you to move out. Well, you might have enough money if you stopped paying to read dirt sheets.

 

[Bernkastel]

I call BS. Proof?

Matt Farmer's list of all time draws. It's not a perfect list but it is very good. Given Trips longevity, I could buy him being a bigger headliner.

 

[Coco]

Matt Farmer's list of all time draws. It's not a perfect list but it is very good. Given Trips longevity, I could buy him being a bigger headliner.

And if I'd rather use an index which accounts for inflation and then determine who averaged better numbers over the course of their career? Like if I really dug into it, would Hunter really be a bigger draw than those people on any measure?

I don't buy it. He's had a lot of good years. But he doesn't hold up against Rock, Austin, Cena, and Andre. Not all of them.

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Bernkastel]

And if I'd rather use an index which accounts for inflation and then determine out who averaged better numbers over the course of their career? Like if I really dug into it, would Hunter really be a bigger draw than those people on any measure?

I don't buy it. He's had a lot of good years. But he doesn't hold up against Rock, Austin, Cena, and Andre. Not all of them.

Quite frankly, yes. The list is what it is because someone already dug into it and it was determined that Trips was the bigger headliner. It's not that hard to believe since Cena doesn't really draw big numbers and hasn't in years, despite still being WWE's top draw, and Austin and Rock just simply didn't have the longevity to compete even if they did have two of the best years in wrestling history.

The only thing that irks me is that in the modern era many big gates are shared. IE they either have a card behind them, co main events, or can be chalked up to promotional drawing power. So how much credit did Trips actually receive? That was my initial question when I looked at the list.

 

[M]

-Calling people draws is bullshit unless you're referring to the rock, hulk or stone cold

-having Shawn michaels on the roster would have killed the wwf had he not broke in half.

-they should have done everything they possibly could have to keep Jeff hardy from leaving the first time.

-Stephanie on screen is worse than Russo on screen.

 

[The Brain]

- Rhyno should have been kept on SmackDown in 2004 instead of being a draft pick for RAW.

I don't think this is an unpopular opinion. Not because people feel Rhyno should have stayed on Smackdown but because I doubt anyone else remembers this or has thought about it since.

- As a headliner Triple H has been a bigger draw than Austin, Rock, Cena, or Andre the Giant. Fact.

Hey, this isn't the unpopular wrestling facts thread.

 

[Bernkastel]

-Calling people draws is bullshit unless you're referring to the rock, hulk or stone cold.

Yes, because those are the only 3 wrestlers that have ever drawn in the history of wrestling.

 

[M]

Yup, it is my professional opinion as the only one on this board with a degree that could clarify it that there have only been 3 people who have ever single handedly drawn people to a show since hulkamania.

 

[Coco]

Quite frankly, yes. The list is what it is because someone already dug into it and it was determined that Trips was the bigger headliner. It's not that hard to believe since Cena doesn't really draw big numbers and hasn't in years, despite still being WWE's top draw, and Austin and Rock just simply didn't have the longevity to compete even if they did have two of the best years in wrestling history.

I used the word "average," right?

Also:

By awarding ten points for the leading draw during a year, nine for second, etc., it rewards consistency at the top level.

The big flaw in this system is it rewards people whose prime years fit better within the framework of a decade.

I dismiss the list easily on the basis of these things alone, and I think rewarding longevity runs counter to what I'm looking for when I discuss top draws. I also don't think the list does enough to mitigate the effect of modern television, but only looking at gates does a lot.

Triple H was a big draw. But I don't think think that list is an appropriate measure to say he's a bigger draw than all of those men. If we bring merchandise, TV, and PPV into the discussion where his contemporaries are concerned, I really don't believe it.

 

[Coco]

Keep in mind, as fun as this discussion is, I'm not going to do any great deal of legwork to back any of this up. So we can't go too far beyond a conceptual level.

 

[Bernkastel]

I used the word "average," right?

Also:



I dismiss the list easily on the basis of these things alone, and I think rewarding longevity runs counter to what I'm looking for when I discuss top draws. I also don't think the list does enough to mitigate the effect of modern television, but only looking at gates does a lot.

Triple H was a big draw. But I don't think think that list is an appropriate measure to say he's a bigger draw than all of those men. If we bring merchandise, TV, and PPV into the discussion where his contemporaries are concerned, I really don't believe it.

You can't bring TV ratings, PPV buys, or merchandise into discussions about drawing power because those factors can't be applied to every era. Attendance figures and ticket sales can.

 

[Coco]

I used the word "contemporaries," right?

I'm talking about 75% of the guys you mentioned.

 

[Bernkastel]

I used the word "contemporaries," right?

I'm talking about 75% of the guys you mentioned.

Didn't see that. In that case, yeah.