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WWE Summerslam 2015: Title VS Title- Seth Rollins VS John Cena
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The problem with title for title is it's always so obvious who is going to win.
Whoever has the lesser title always wins. Winning a title should be seen as a promotion, not a demotion. Seth winning the US title would be a step down for him. Cena winning the WWE title would be a step up for him. And the winner always drops the lesser of the two titles after the feud is over. Which means if Seth were to win he would win the US title only to vacate it the next night which would serve no purpose. Cena on the other hand can win the WWE title, then drop the US title and a tournament or battle royal can be used to crown a new US champion.
Two ways to avoid this obvious conclusion would be to either have Sheamus cash in or have this be a title unification match. Seth could unify the titles and then the US title could be retired, meaning WWE would go back to it's original 3 title system of the WWE, IC, and Tag championships.
Whoever has the lesser title always wins. Winning a title should be seen as a promotion, not a demotion. Seth winning the US title would be a step down for him. Cena winning the WWE title would be a step up for him. And the winner always drops the lesser of the two titles after the feud is over. Which means if Seth were to win he would win the US title only to vacate it the next night which would serve no purpose. Cena on the other hand can win the WWE title, then drop the US title and a tournament or battle royal can be used to crown a new US champion.
Two ways to avoid this obvious conclusion would be to either have Sheamus cash in or have this be a title unification match. Seth could unify the titles and then the US title could be retired, meaning WWE would go back to it's original 3 title system of the WWE, IC, and Tag championships.
Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.
Kamehamehaaaaa!!
I gotta say, before the title vs title stipulation, I was 100% sure that Rollins was going to retain, but now, I'm not so sure..
It's always possibly that in a match where Cena is involved, Cena could come out on top. This match, is for John Cena's 16th World Title win. It was going to happen at some point, but I don't think that timing is right.. Cena is doing tremendous work for the US Championship and I'd like to see him continue his work in the mid-card, away from World Championships.
On the other hand, Rollins doesn't really need the US Chmapionship, nor he accomplices anything by winning it. Of course he could always win it and then lose it in some sort of gimmicky 2-out-3 falls match or something like that, same way Angle lost his titles at Wrestlemania 2000.
What I want to see, is Rollins winning this match via pinfall in the less heelish way possibly. What happens next? Is a mystery.. But it could be quite shocking and should provide for some interesting TV, seeing Rolliins carrying both belts and having to DEFEND both belts for some time. I don't want Cena to get his 16th title reign not yet.
However, there's always another scenario that I think the WWE will do: Cena wins, then Sheamus cashes in. That way Cena remains the US Champ, while also winnning his 16th World Title. But I don't want cena to lose his 16th title reign so easily and so soon, if he ever wins it..
So what happens is this: Sheamus cashes in mid-match. Maybe because the Authority turned on Rollins, maybe because he just saw his opportunity.. I don't like this scenario, as I think it's too obvious, but on the same time, it sets up a future HHH vs Rollins feud and also, Cena keeps his US Championship..
What I want to see: Rollins wins. Then losses the belt to some babyface on RAW after Cena's interfereance.. Then a Triple Threat match at NOC, similar to the Triple Threat at WM 2000, both titles on the line. Rollins retains the World Title, while Cena or the babyface (I prefer Cesaro) wins the US Title.
It's always possibly that in a match where Cena is involved, Cena could come out on top. This match, is for John Cena's 16th World Title win. It was going to happen at some point, but I don't think that timing is right.. Cena is doing tremendous work for the US Championship and I'd like to see him continue his work in the mid-card, away from World Championships.
On the other hand, Rollins doesn't really need the US Chmapionship, nor he accomplices anything by winning it. Of course he could always win it and then lose it in some sort of gimmicky 2-out-3 falls match or something like that, same way Angle lost his titles at Wrestlemania 2000.
What I want to see, is Rollins winning this match via pinfall in the less heelish way possibly. What happens next? Is a mystery.. But it could be quite shocking and should provide for some interesting TV, seeing Rolliins carrying both belts and having to DEFEND both belts for some time. I don't want Cena to get his 16th title reign not yet.
However, there's always another scenario that I think the WWE will do: Cena wins, then Sheamus cashes in. That way Cena remains the US Champ, while also winnning his 16th World Title. But I don't want cena to lose his 16th title reign so easily and so soon, if he ever wins it..
So what happens is this: Sheamus cashes in mid-match. Maybe because the Authority turned on Rollins, maybe because he just saw his opportunity.. I don't like this scenario, as I think it's too obvious, but on the same time, it sets up a future HHH vs Rollins feud and also, Cena keeps his US Championship..
What I want to see: Rollins wins. Then losses the belt to some babyface on RAW after Cena's interfereance.. Then a Triple Threat match at NOC, similar to the Triple Threat at WM 2000, both titles on the line. Rollins retains the World Title, while Cena or the babyface (I prefer Cesaro) wins the US Title.
I think Cena wins at Summerslam in a hard fought match and Sheamus comes out (after losing to Orton earlier in the night) and cashes in on Cena. Cena vs. Sheamus would be the big feud of the fall. I just wonder would Orton and Rollins be added to the feud since they'll have ties to Sheamus as well.
boozinjedi
Getting Noticed By Management
He won't right away,BUT I think Sheamus will be nipping at his heels for quite some time before he drops it.
I see Sheamus cashing in by year's end and Cena eventually regaining the title at WrestleMania..think about it,
Cena winning the record breaking 17th title win AT the biggest event IN FRONT OF the largest Mania crowd ever(possibly)
The big question is who will he take it from??
Sheamus?
Taker?
Lesnar?
Rollins?
Wyatt?
Kind of obvious don't you think?!
Prince Vee
Better than I think I am
It should be an obvious decision not a debate about who should go over. It should be Seth Rollins. Even though Rollins is developed as a Sneaky opportunistic heel at times he needs some clean wins over some of the toughest opponents. Just like how Seth Rollins beat Dean Ambrose clean in the Ladder match and defended his title successfully. The focus should be on Seth at this moment. John Cena should play the second fiddle to put over the young talents.
Seth isn't a Cesaro or Kevin Owens who can get benefited from losing to Cena. Moreover the match at Summerslam is for the biggest title in WWE and Seth can certainly not benefit anything if he loses. WWE should take some big decisions regarding this.
Cheers!!
Seth isn't a Cesaro or Kevin Owens who can get benefited from losing to Cena. Moreover the match at Summerslam is for the biggest title in WWE and Seth can certainly not benefit anything if he loses. WWE should take some big decisions regarding this.
Cheers!!
MWRedskins
Mid-Card Championship Winner
my hope for this match is that it ends with some sort of countout or disqualification where neither man wins their titles then sets up Cena vs. Rollins for JUST the WWE Title where Rollins wins. i'm not a fan of this match though if the plan is to either give the title to Cena. Cena needs to take a backseat to Rollins. if they want Sheamus as champion, i wouldn't hate it if Rollins wins, only to have Sheamus cash in and makes Rollins a face U.S. Champion and trying to get his title back only to have to deal with the Authority being in the way...but i personally would rather see Rollins retain here and then the US title be put over by being in a tournament....however, my guess is that Cena wins and gets cashed in on.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Doesn't it seem as if Seth Rollins has been a world champion longer than 5 months? I'm not even sure why, yet it does.
But it has been 5 months and in the world of pre-determined outcomes, that might be considered a long enough title reign for Seth. He's served dishonorably (kayfabe), but honorably in terms of performance. Frankly, I think he should continue as champion all the way to WM32. Since he's been going it alone, I'm enjoying him a lot more.
The black marble in this match, strangely enough, is John Cena......and how WWE Creative regards the possibility of installing him as champion at this point. Honestly, a lot of fans would hate it......and might still hate it if WWE waited until 2025 to have him win it again. Many more folks who attend the shows we see on TV won't care one way or the other, but will be chanting 'Cena sucks' because they hear the folks around them doing it. Others will be glad to see him as #1 again.
Honestly, I can't predict the result of this match because I have no clue how management sees the 'Cena problem.' He's been the champion a lot of times already but can fill a lesser role and still make money for the company.
Remember, too, this could wind up as a series of matches between Rollins and Cena. In that regard, they can have an 'unclean' ending at Summerslam, only to continue the feud through the Fall.
If, at the end of it, Rollins is still champion, that would be fine. The series could draw lots of money because the two opponents are worthy of it. Then, they could have Seth hold the title until Brock or Reigns are deemed ready to take it from him......and Cena can go on doing whatever he does to remain 'the guy who runs the place' while not wearing the world crown.
But it has been 5 months and in the world of pre-determined outcomes, that might be considered a long enough title reign for Seth. He's served dishonorably (kayfabe), but honorably in terms of performance. Frankly, I think he should continue as champion all the way to WM32. Since he's been going it alone, I'm enjoying him a lot more.
The black marble in this match, strangely enough, is John Cena......and how WWE Creative regards the possibility of installing him as champion at this point. Honestly, a lot of fans would hate it......and might still hate it if WWE waited until 2025 to have him win it again. Many more folks who attend the shows we see on TV won't care one way or the other, but will be chanting 'Cena sucks' because they hear the folks around them doing it. Others will be glad to see him as #1 again.
Honestly, I can't predict the result of this match because I have no clue how management sees the 'Cena problem.' He's been the champion a lot of times already but can fill a lesser role and still make money for the company.
Remember, too, this could wind up as a series of matches between Rollins and Cena. In that regard, they can have an 'unclean' ending at Summerslam, only to continue the feud through the Fall.
If, at the end of it, Rollins is still champion, that would be fine. The series could draw lots of money because the two opponents are worthy of it. Then, they could have Seth hold the title until Brock or Reigns are deemed ready to take it from him......and Cena can go on doing whatever he does to remain 'the guy who runs the place' while not wearing the world crown.
The Fabulous Rougeau's
Championship Contender
I don't think we get a title change in this match. I can see Cena retaining via DQ or some sort of screwy finish that keeps each man as the champ.
If we end up getting a no DQ match or something like that where there has to be a winner then I see Rollins walking out with both titles. The only guys in the company that I can see Rollins dropping the title to at the moment are Lesnar and Reigns.
If we end up getting a no DQ match or something like that where there has to be a winner then I see Rollins walking out with both titles. The only guys in the company that I can see Rollins dropping the title to at the moment are Lesnar and Reigns.
Fire Marshall Bill
Let me show ya somethin!!!
The only possible finish I see other than where both walk out with the titles they walked in with is Cena winning and Sheamus successfully cashing in.
mkw1962
Getting Noticed By Management
I think there will be some interference in this match and it will end with no winner. Whoever comes out to interfere will be John Cena's next opponent. I can't see Seth winning unless Sheamus cashes in and I do not think that will happen yet. I was thinking John would win but now I am leaning towards a DQ.
Just a rehash of a late 2014 feud. Hardly enough to get me invested in this.
No idea who'll win. Cena would make sense if there's a Sheamus cash in so he can keep the U.S. belt. But I don't see Sheamus actually winning the world title.
Whatever the outcome, none are enthralling.
No idea who'll win. Cena would make sense if there's a Sheamus cash in so he can keep the U.S. belt. But I don't see Sheamus actually winning the world title.
Whatever the outcome, none are enthralling.
Aeon Mathix
Has Ascended
As bad as it sounds I was hoping Cena wouldn't be able to go for Summerslam so they could come up with a more interesting option. Oh well though.
I am fairly certain this is where Rollins drops the title. There isn't really anywhere else to go after Cena as far as faces go. I could also see Sheamus cashing in. But Sheamus as champion having rematches for the rest of fall against Rollins and Cena isn't interesting either. Rollins' title reign has been PAINFULLY boring and dull though so I don't want to see him keep it either.
Is there a win win situation for this? I can't see it.
I am fairly certain this is where Rollins drops the title. There isn't really anywhere else to go after Cena as far as faces go. I could also see Sheamus cashing in. But Sheamus as champion having rematches for the rest of fall against Rollins and Cena isn't interesting either. Rollins' title reign has been PAINFULLY boring and dull though so I don't want to see him keep it either.
Is there a win win situation for this? I can't see it.
Calling Rollins' reign boring, sad mopey tone in the post, wishing that the biggest superstar since Hulk Hogan is unable to compete, being uninterested in that superstar fighting in a title v. title match, complaining about Sheamus being the champion before he's even champion, and just being unable to see the positives in all of this. What an insightful post.
The truth is that outside of Brock v. Undertaker, this is the reason people will watch Summerslam, and this will easily be one of the best matches over the summer. Cena has had something like 6 or 7 "4+ star" matches SINCE JANUARY. Dude is on fire right now.
Rollins is a great heel. And his reign as champion has been excellently slimey and wimpy. Not only is he not going to lose to Cena, but I would imagine that he's going to hold both belts for a while. I can even see Cena taking a clean pin in this match.
I'm pretty sure that the MitB contract is only for 1 championship, but it's not like it's a real contract. The Pro-Wrestling Handbook clearly states that "Officials can kayfabe any information they'd like to, even if it directly contradicts previous information, and even if it isn't logical. See: The Cobra, The People's Elbow, Dolph Ziggler bumping, etc."
OYDK
King Of The Ring
Pretty sure it's a WWE title match contract only, but would still be interested to see where they go if Sheamus did cash in mid-match to win.
As for the match, I'm invested simply because I know it's going to be one of the better matches of the year so far. Back during their 2014 feud, Rollins was still the guy trying to climb the ladder, while Cena was "the man" so to speak. Rolls have basically changed a year later (kayfabe wise), with Rollins in the midst of a 5 month title reign and Cena trying to climb his way back into the World title picture. I mean, it could be said it's just a rehash of their feud last year, but anyone who knows anything will see the obvious differences in comparing this scenario to last years. For one, it's a title feud. Secondly, Rollins has now cemented himself as a bona-fide main-eventer. Also there's the MITB factor, not to mention that Cena's US champ and so much more, but I digress.
There's too many scenarios for me to really guess what's going to happen. I think there will definitely be some screwy things going on throughout the match, for example Sheamus cash-in, J&J return, Authority stacking the deck, etc. They could go with the DQ finish I guess, although it would kind of defeat the purpose... Cena's still US Champ, Rollins still WWE Champ, and the program continues which probably leads to another champion vs champion match unless Cena's attacked by a new opponent. I ultimately see Seth walking out with both belts and relinquishing the US title in a heel manner. There's no way Cena would give up his US title if he were to win so I really can't see him coming out on top unless Sheamus cashes in, which I think is much too predictable at this point.
We'll see. Should be interesting.
enviousdominous
Behold my diction
While I can't figure out where in the hell the WWE is going with this, I'm pretty sure it will be underwhelming. Seth has been made to look like David Arquette in how he's holding onto the belt, and John Cena has been extolling his love for the US Title to the point where it's as if he doesn't even care about the WWE WHC anymore.
As much as I hate John Cena, I think it would be really stupid for the WWE to give us *ugh* yet another fluke Seth Rollins win. Seth's performance against Lesnar was decent from a non-kayfabe perspective, except that he spent most of the match getting trounced. I try not to use this term often, but the WWE buried Seth Rollins when they had him retain his belt by looking absolutely pathetic compared to Brock Lesnar.
There's no way that John loses clean after already giving a clean pin to Kevin Owens. I don't think John gives up more than one of those a year. If John Cena doesn't walk away as a dual-champion, it's because of some fluke bullshit that fails to unite the titles afterall. DQ and countout are probably off the table as ways to let a belt change hands.
Fans are starved of an actual match that fairly decides who the World Champion truly is. I think the dual-champion idea was fucking stupid, I think that they should have had John drop the US title to Owens or Cesaro before challenging Rollins. John Cena should definitely win this one, decisively, so we can get on with an actual program as opposed to this consecutive fluke-win bullshit they're forcing on Rollins.
As much as I hate John Cena, I think it would be really stupid for the WWE to give us *ugh* yet another fluke Seth Rollins win. Seth's performance against Lesnar was decent from a non-kayfabe perspective, except that he spent most of the match getting trounced. I try not to use this term often, but the WWE buried Seth Rollins when they had him retain his belt by looking absolutely pathetic compared to Brock Lesnar.
There's no way that John loses clean after already giving a clean pin to Kevin Owens. I don't think John gives up more than one of those a year. If John Cena doesn't walk away as a dual-champion, it's because of some fluke bullshit that fails to unite the titles afterall. DQ and countout are probably off the table as ways to let a belt change hands.
Fans are starved of an actual match that fairly decides who the World Champion truly is. I think the dual-champion idea was fucking stupid, I think that they should have had John drop the US title to Owens or Cesaro before challenging Rollins. John Cena should definitely win this one, decisively, so we can get on with an actual program as opposed to this consecutive fluke-win bullshit they're forcing on Rollins.
mkw1962
Getting Noticed By Management
I am still saying D.Q. but I could see Seth losing because of HHH interference, that would set up there feud. John wins Sheamus comes out to cash-in and there you have it. Sheamus (World Champ) John (United States Champ) and a face turn for Seth and a feud with HHH. This match would be awesome back and forth and the crowd kind of turning towards Seth a lot of interference and a big push for Seth even though he comes out of it with no Title.
Sexcellence of Sexecution
#SwerveKing
So I guess everyone that said John Cena was for sure going to win is feeling pretty stupid right about now.
Seth walking out with both belts was absolutely the right call to make.
Seth walking out with both belts was absolutely the right call to make.
Terry Gyimah
Championship Contender
Yes and Rollins walking out with both titles he has made history whether you love him or hate him Rollins' name is now etched in WWE history forever especially now becoming the first man in WWE history to hold the WWE World Heavyweight Championship and the WWE United States Championship at the same time simultaneously, definitely the right call for Rollins to go over
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