WWE Reportedly 'Giving Up' On Dolph Ziggler

[stygimoloch]

I can't say I've ever been particularly sold on Dolph Ziggler. He seems forced on the mic (his segment with Pat Patterson at Breaking Point being a prime example; to me he came off like he was reciting a script and nothing more), he has a look which any number of people could have if they particularly wanted (a tan and blonde corkscrew hair, is that it?), and I personally find him competent but nothing special in-ring. I've never been looking forward to his Intercontinental reign and if WWE have given up on him I'd say it's unfortunate for a man who clearly works hard, but I'm far from surprised. He's not really bringing anything to the table beyond being a vaguely credible midcard heel, and if he wasn't there, Finlay, Mike Knox or either of the Hart Dynasty could have filled the same role of IC-champ-tease without too much difference, imo.

 

[Wrath]

I still can't understand why are some many people against Dolph Ziggler too much ? Ok it's too early to say if he deserves a ME push but at least he deserves a push to prove himself. What's really that wrong with him ? He started his career with one of the shittiest gimmicks possible. First his second persona looked even shittier it was a man who had a shitty name introducing himself to other people it was the only thing creative gave him. He had actually no character but he could successfully got good amount of heel heat and made that character interesting. Since he started getting his push he really hasn't had any bad matches(Even his matches with Khali were acceptable) He's not great but good in the ring and he has a good look.

So what makes you against this guy so much he has everything that is needed for a main eventer. He had some pretty good and great matches,he is at least decent on mic and he has a good look. Maybe he's in the level of JoMo just because he doesn't do all those flips but he's still one of the most entertaining midcarders on WWE.

 

[Ballin247]

They should move Ziggler to ECW. He is probably never gonna be a top guy on Raw or Smackdown but that doesn't mean that he can't be a great ECW champion. WWE could be building that brand way better than they have been. Guys like Kennedy or Umaga could be helping to give that brand a lot of credibility instead of sitting at home or wrestling with 134 year old Hulk Hogan. They should make the move soon while he still has some credibility. He would be a believable contender and he is good enough to help build the brand. They could make a good main event roster if they had guys like Ziggler, Matt Hardy, MVP, Shelton, and maybe a few others like Kennedy and Booker T.

I don't think they should just turn him into a jobber because it would be pointless. They spent this much time building him up, they may as well do something with him. Have Ziggler and Zack Ryder switch places.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I think that maybe the WWE should consider repackaging the guy because he's just lost too much steam to be taken seriously I think. Ziggler has been given numerous opportunities to win the IC title and has always come up short. It's not his fault, I know, but it that doesn't keep interest in him from fading.

 

[Coco]

Good. They should give up on him. A completely bland looking guy who has shown himself to be average at best in the ring despite being given many chances to show his stuff against two of the most talented men in the company doesn't exactly scream "money" to me. There are far more distinct looking, impactful acts in the midcard right now who deserve a push before Ziggler gets any closer to getting any sort of belt. I've been saying this since this absurd push started, and I'm glad to see the WWE finally woke up and saw that this guy is nothing special. Send Drew in to be Morrison's next contender and let's see what that guy has.

To those saying they should have put the IC belt on him to give him credibility, you're wrong. Let him build himself up with a few decent feuds and become a top midcarder who's deserving of the belt before thrusting it on his waist. Belts have become devalued in recent years because they're thrown around to get guys over. NEWSFLASH: Wrestlers get belts over, not the other way around. Flavor-of-the-month chumps who will never draw a dime getting belts thrown at them devalues belts. Do it a few times in a short span, and suddenly you have a belt that does no good for anybody.

Ziggler getting the strap after Jericho and Rey built the belt back up a few notches after years of neglect, and after a proper midcard prospect like Morrison is really starting to build momentum with it would have been a mistake.

Screw Ziggler.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

A completely bland looking guy who has shown himself to be average at best in the ring despite being given many chances to show his stuff against two of the most talented men in the company doesn't exactly scream "money" to me.

If they followed that logic, 3/4s of the roster would be fired at once.

There are far more distinct looking, impactful acts in the midcard right now who deserve a push before Ziggler gets any closer to getting any sort of belt.

Who exactly? Who on SD, do you think would put on better matches with Morrison than Ziggler has?

I've been saying this since this absurd push started, and I'm glad to see the WWE finally woke up and saw that this guy is nothing special.

In your opinion. Some people actually like Ziggler.

Send Drew in to be Morrison's next contender and let's see what that guy has.

Ziggler actually had an excellent match with Morrison at HIAC (it may not have been HIAC, but they did have an awesome match together on PPV recently), but instead you'd rather watch 'Mr. Double Arm DDT' as the new IC challenger?

To those saying they should have put the IC belt on him to give him credibility, you're wrong. Let him build himself up with a few decent feuds and become a top midcarder who's deserving of the belt before thrusting it on his waist. Belts have become devalued in recent years because they're thrown around to get guys over. NEWSFLASH: Wrestlers get belts over, not the other way around. Flavor-of-the-month chumps who will never draw a dime getting belts thrown at them devalues belts. Do it a few times in a short span, and suddenly you have a belt that does no good for anybody.

Ziggler getting the strap after Jericho and Rey built the belt back up a few notches after years of neglect, and after a proper midcard prospect like Morrison is really starting to build momentum with it would have been a mistake.

Did Rey and Jericho really do anything for the belt? I mean, you're previous paragraph mentioned how chumps that don't draw have the belts passed around them, for no reason. Well, in that brief period in the summer, we had 2 main eventers pass the title between each other, over and over. The only reason it seems more improtant now is because the belt is actually defended on PPV again, but Rey and Jericho didn't do anything different than the no names before them in terms of passing the title around.

The mistake was not giving Ziggler the belt when Rey was suspended. Ziggler had a fair amount of momentum going when he came to SD, and then had it all fall flat because Rey wouldn't lay down for him (allegedly). Then Morrison gets picked by Rey to be the new champ, and now suddenly Morrison is over more now, than he's ever been and SD creative don't want to risk him losing that, and it's unfortunately to Ziggler's detriment. Ziggler should have moved on to something else by now, and Morrison should be defending against other people, because by continuing this pattern, they're elevating Morrison a little, instead of elevating Ziggler a LOT.

 

[Coco]

If they followed that logic, 3/4s of the roster would be fired at once.

1) No they wouldn't. 3/4ers of the roster aren't as expendable as Ziggler.

2) Fat trimming should be done on a regular basis.

Who exactly? Who on SD, do you think would put on better matches with Morrison than Ziggler has?

Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, CM Punk, Festus (Who's shown a spark and aptitude for the big dance against Undertaker last year), Drew (Who's shown an aptitude for brawling by today's standards), Knox (Who's got a great look, an underrated and underused gimmick, and had a better match with Mysterio last year and Ziggler did at NOC), Finlay... Trust me, Dolph is nowhere near as marketable or fun, unique, and/or to watch as any of those people.

In your opinion. Some people actually like Ziggler.

I know, and I can't help but find that pathetic. WWE's done such an awful job of introducing and building up new talent in recent years that any bland pile of nothing who can have an average match and receives a slight push up the card gets the entire IWC on on it's cock. I don't know if it's worse that Ziggler is actually considered a hot prospect or that people's taste has gotten that bad.

Ziggler actually had an excellent match with Morrison at HIAC (it may not have been HIAC, but they did have an awesome match together on PPV recently), but instead you'd rather watch 'Mr. Double Arm DDT' as the new IC challenger?

Ziggler's had enough matches with Morrison that you'd expect more than one excellent match to have come of it. Fuck, he even had a bad match with Mysterio at NOC. That's awful.

Drew has shown a decent aptitude for brawling by today's standards and can convey more emotion than "Me touchy hair!" I'd take him over Ziggler at this point.

Did Rey and Jericho really do anything for the belt?

Yes. You had two main eventers feuding over the belt and making it seem important in a feud that had never happened before in the WWE. It was a big deal.

I mean, you're previous paragraph mentioned how chumps that don't draw have the belts passed around them, for no reason. Well, in that brief period in the summer, we had 2 main eventers pass the title between each other, over and over.

Two title changes, since you seem to have a hard time counting.

It meant a lot to have the belt being contested in a major, heated feud between guys the crowd cars about. It was better than Jericho never defending the belt in 2008, followed by Kofi's mediocore meaningless reign, followed by Santino's reign, followed by Regal never defending the belt, followed by Punk losing the belt way too soon, followed by JBL's transitional reign.

Yes, the feud did a lot for the belt. You're blind if you can't tell that.

The only reason it seems more improtant now is because the belt is actually defended on PPV again, but Rey and Jericho didn't do anything different than the no names before them in terms of passing the title around.

Yes, they did. They feuded and people gave a shit. Something Jericho never did in 2008, something nobody cared about with Kofi, Santino, and Regal, something Punk never got the chance to do. They blew the recent history of the belt out of the water.

Ziggler had a fair amount of momentum going when he came to SD,

How quickly forget.

Do you not remember this comedy jobber beating the US Champ on his first night and people wondering what the fuck was up?

He was almost overpushed and out of place when he came to SD. He had no momentum.

and then had it all fall flat because Rey wouldn't lay down for him (allegedly).

Rey wouldn't lay down until the time was right, if you recall correctly.

A longtime vet who's doing a lot for the belt wanting to make sure things are right before the next guy gets a rub. How awful.

Morrison getting the belt was the right move. He's faced and beaten CM Punk, had a major title match against Jeff Hardy, had dominated the tag division, had reigned on top of ECW, proven he's got stand-out ring skills and a great look, and had long since earned his spot and his push. The title doesn't get devalued by Morrison holding it because he's not just another Johnny Come Lately, flavor of the month who will look like he's in over the head with the belt.

Ziggler would have been a different case.