WWE Region, Fourth Round, Hell in a Cell: (1) Hulk Hogan vs. (12) Brock Lesnar

[Mac Attack]

I'm voting Lesnar. Sure Hogan was a bigger draw, sure he's won more matches, sure he's the face of the company, and yet Lesnar would win this match. When Lesnar is booked to use weapons and be able to destroy, Lesnar wins. Lesnar at his prime was almost as unstoppable as Hogan was. When you think of it like that the gimmick favors Lesnar, Lesnar wins.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Hogan wins this match, without a shred of doubt in my mind.

Hogan made a career out of taking down huge threats. Hogan only struggled against other babyface wrestlers. He really doesn't lose to heels. Brock is about as bad ass as they come, but he wouldn't beat Hogan, not in his prime.

He may be able to beat The Undertaker, but The Undertaker is not Hulk Hogan.

 

[DarksideEric]

The fact that Lesnar is in his element would just add that much more emotion to the match, but in the end Brock is just another generic heel that Hogan would beat.

You're talking about Lesnar like he's Earthquake or something. Generic he may be, he's got a few pretty giant accolades under his belt that no other generic heel has, which could make him billable to be able to overcome Hogan.

It sounds to me like you're saying that using weapons is beyond Hogan's skill set, otherwise the differences wouldn't matter.

Too bad that's not what I'm saying at all. Hogan can use weapons just fine, Brock however can potentially use them far more lethally.

And somehow that brutality means he'd squash Hogan in a walk? Please. Lesnar = generic heel #4629324 built up to be beaten by Hogan.

When in the world did I say it would be a squash Ech? Really, when did I ever suggest that?

So you're saying that Brock is more of a monster than, say, Andre? LOL no. The HIAC may give Lesnar credence, but it's not enough to justify putting him over Hogan. Especially when Hogan made a career out of beating punks like Lesnar.

More of != different kind of monster. You think Andre would feel comfortable inside a Hell in a Cell? Andre's not that kind of competitor, Lesnar is however. Just because they're both monsters doesn't mean they're the same kind.

In fact the scenario that you're describing would be tailor made for a Hogan victory...

The fact that Lesnar's got more accolades under his belt than other generic monsters is tailor made to make him a viable threat...

Lesnar is the monster that everyone hates. Hogan is the hero that everyone wants to see slay the beast. The cage adds emotion, but it doesn't deter from the fact that Hogan would be booked to win in classic fashion like he always was.

I seem to remember another person everyone wanted to see slay the Beast but he lost.

...Don't let your subjectiveness blind you to the fact that Hogan is still one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, and Lesnar isn't.

No one's doubting Hogan is one of the greatest of all time, who is doubting that? I'm doubting Hogan's ability to defeat Lesnar in the Cell. You do realize you can still be great while losing, right?

 

[DarksideEric]

Let's talk brutality for a minute. There was a time in wrestling when blood and underhanded assaults were the norm. Know who is credited as the catalyst for that? The Hulkster. If you want to talk about vicious assaults, look no further than that particular era and who was riding on top of the bodies in his wake.

Lesnar is a killer. Hogan made it cool to be that killer.

And would Brock Lesnar have went outside of the Cell? There's no telling. In the one Cell match he was in he stayed in the entire time. Hulk Hogan came into one WarGame throwing sand into his opponents' eyes. If anyone is going to utilize the outside of the Cell, it will be Hogan.

That's not even covering that this is still all taking place in an arena Lesnar hasn't won and Hogan has never been pinned at.

Times have gotten pretty arguably far more brutal than they were in Hogan's day. Hogan has competed in War Games, yeah, but I think it can be argued that War Games and Hell in the Cell aren't fully equal considering not only the ring difference but the amount of opponents in the match.

 

[DarksideEric]

Hogan is a hundred times the star Lesnar is. Fact. Hogan legacy's is undoubtedly more important. Fact. Hogan built a career defeating monsters; Lesnar is a generic monster. Fact. Hogan would be booked to win the match in tournament to decide who is the greatest wrestler ever. Fact.

No one's arguing any of those facts save for the last one. Why is the last one potentially not factual? Because we've had arguments where other giantly greater stars lost due to the match type regardless of the legacy or star power.

Vicious and tenacious. Give him a chair and he'd smack Lesnar in the face with it just as easily as pummeling him with his fists.

That doesn't answer the question. When has Hogan ever been vicious?

Then why are you even entertaining this match?

Aren't these meant for... I dunno... discussion?

And I guess it's also logical that Hogan can't climb a ladder. Even though he definitely can. Just like it's not a stretch that Hogan would take out Lesnar in a HIAC when he spent his whole fucking career beating monsters in dire settings.

How does Vader going over Austin in a Strap Match mean it's logical to say Hogan can't climb a ladder? Considering your rule set seems to be mostly set on "greatest of all time," Austin should have never lost to Vader in any match because Austin is 1,000x the star Vader ever was, right? It's not a stretch to say Lesnar could go over Hogan in a Hell in a Cell because apparently it's not a stretch to say Vader could go over Austin in a Strap Match. We're taking into account the match type as well as the star power. Lesnar has no where near the star power as Hogan but he's got quite a nice few accolades under his belt to compete.

Does pummeling an opponent a bunch of times, or throwing him over the top rope, or pressing him to the floor, or making somone go limp with a bearhug not count as viciousness? In that case I've never seen Brock Lesnar be "vicious."

And you're saying I'm being subjective?

Great. Tell me again how Hogan doesn't win if Lesnar isn't a weapons expert and doesn't have superior strength? But he's vicious bro... maybe we should have voted Cena out against Earthquake first round

Don't gloss over the giant differences between Lesnar and Earthquake to make that comparison or anything, it's cool.

Do you even kayfabe? You know anyone can be portrayed differently right? If Hogan was going over Lesnar then he'd do so in convincing fashion. Hit him with a chair a bunch of times. Leg drop him a bunch of times. The match just adds emotion.

So... Hogan can be portrayed differently but... Lesnar can't?

And of course Hogan would be going over anyway since he's the bigger star and wouldn't be jobbed out of a legends tournament to guy not even close to his league.

Then why did someone like Austin lose to Vader in a Strap Match?

 

[Bernkastel]

You're talking about Lesnar like he's Earthquake or something. Generic he may be, he's got a few pretty giant accolades under his belt that no other generic heel has, which could make him billable to be able to overcome Hogan.

Ending an overrated streak does not put Brock on Hogan's level. Not even close. Maybe if this were Hollywood Hogan but certainly not prime Hulkamania.

Too bad that's not what I'm saying at all. Hogan can use weapons just fine, Brock however can potentially use them far more lethally.

Oh please pray tell? What has Lesnar ever done with a chair that Hogan could not think to do also? Is he suddenly going to become RVD or Kane inside the Cell? Doubt it.

When in the world did I say it would be a squash Ech? Really, when did I ever suggest that?

"Squash" is too hard a word. But so is suggesting that Brock would be booked to win. Maybe if we were booking feuds, but we aren't. These are one off's. No fucking way prime Hogan loses a one off to Brock Lesnar.

You think Andre would feel comfortable inside a Hell in a Cell? Andre's not that kind of competitor, Lesnar is however. Just because they're both monsters doesn't mean they're the same kind.

I don't think Andre would have cared either way. But Lesnar has only been inside HIAC once. And he fought an out of prime Taker. That's not enough to suggest comfort. Especially against a prime Hogan. Hogan on the other hand has fought numerous cage matches. Knows his way around them, and how to utilize them in offense. And HIAC really isn't that much different. Brock "viciousness" would be offset by Hogan's intelligence.

The fact that Lesnar's got more accolades under his belt than other generic monsters is tailor made to make him a viable threat

Beating the streak isn't really what I'd call a viable accolade. Certainly not one that warrants being booked over a megastar like Hogan. If Lesnar was a world champion and had held the belt for years, and defeated the top baby faces, and had more than one match in the stipulation setting... then maybe.

Instead we have a guy that defeated a streak that at one point in time both Mark Henry and Randy Orton were candidates to beat, had terrible title reigns, lost to the face of the company [Cena], and isn't even the most convincing monster WWE has ever had.

And you want to claim he'd beat Hogan cuz he's vicious and whatnot? LOL no.

I seem to remember another person everyone wanted to see slay the Beast but he lost.

And that person wasn't Hogan. Who spent his whole career beating monsters.

I'm doubting Hogan's ability to defeat Lesnar in the Cell. You do realize you can still be great while losing, right?

We aren't booking feuds here. These are one off matches were the greater star gets voted over. Lesnar is no where near big enough to take Hogan out.

 

[nightmare]

Brock Lesnar has the notch in experience with this match. Brock Lesnar has the victory in their only encounter. Brock Lesnar has:

Spoiler

Advantage Lesnar.

This is what that looks like for those playing along at home.

Brock said his prayers and ate his vitamins. Then he wakes up, runs around the forest with a log on his back, trains the rest of the day, eats a turkey leg & has caveman sex with his wife. Then he does the same thing over again the next day. He is a machine. Eat. Sleep. Conquer. Repeat.

 

[Bythedockofthebay]

The thing about this is that Brock has a way of beating people he should never beat. Rock is a bigger star than Brock, Brock took him out. Angle was a bigger star than Brock, Brock beat him ALOT, Brock vs Taker at WM? Brock again wins. Beat Triple H two out of three times, beat CM Punk who Imo was a bigger star in WWE. Leaning Hogan here quite a bit actually but Lesnar has at least made me think about it.

 

[Jaffa]

Brock Lesnar has the notch in experience with this match. Brock Lesnar has the victory in their only encounter. Brock Lesnar has:

Spoiler

Advantage Lesnar.

This is what that looks like for those playing along at home.

What does Heyman have to with this match there is no suggestion that he can play any part in this match but your logic I guess the NWO can come out and attack Lesnar advantage Hogan. His victory in their only encounter when Brock was in his prime and Hogan was 49?

 

[nightmare]

What does Heyman have to with this match there is no suggestion that he can play any part in this match but your logic I guess the NWO can come out and attack Lesnar advantage Hogan. His victory in their only encounter when Brock was in his prime and Hogan was 49?

Paul Heyman would most definately be at ringside. Assisting any way and even possibly directly if Brock busts open the cell.


If we are to think Hogan survives this, then lets take a look at a bit of history.

In the 4 months prior to fighting Lesnar, Hogan was the WWf Undisputed Champ & half of the WWE Tag champions. Pretty good for an old guy huh.

Then....

Lesnar beat him. By submission. The first ever to defeat Hogan by having the match called. Lesnar beat Hogan bloody and unconscious in the ring. Hogan didnt come back until 03 after the beating Brock gave him. This is in the cell. So bare bones its Brock and the cell vs Hogan and his weight belt. Hogan is getting whipped into that thing alot. Brock has his number here.


And for those that want to talk career? Brock did all this in a somewhat short career in sports. While Hogan goes off to do movies, Brock picks something to destroy.

King of the Ring
Royal Rumble Winner
Youngest WWE World Heavyweight Champion in history
IWGP Heavyweight Champion
NCAA Champion
Big Ten Champion
UFC Heavyweight Champion
Conqueror of The Streak

 

[DarksideEric]

Ending an overrated streak does not put Brock on Hogan's level. Not even close. Maybe if this were Hollywood Hogan but certainly not prime Hulkamania.

Oh please pray tell? What has Lesnar ever done with a chair that Hogan could not think to do also? Is he suddenly going to become RVD or Kane inside the Cell? Doubt it.

"Squash" is too hard a word. But so is suggesting that Brock would be booked to win. Maybe if we were booking feuds, but we aren't. These are one off's. No fucking way prime Hogan loses a one off to Brock Lesnar.

I don't think Andre would have cared either way. But Lesnar has only been inside HIAC once. And he fought an out of prime Taker. That's not enough to suggest comfort. Especially against a prime Hogan. Hogan on the other hand has fought numerous cage matches. Knows his way around them, and how to utilize them in offense. And HIAC really isn't that much different. Brock "viciousness" would be offset by Hogan's intelligence.

Beating the streak isn't really what I'd call a viable accolade. Certainly not one that warrants being booked over a megastar like Hogan. If Lesnar was a world champion and had held the belt for years, and defeated the top baby faces, and had more than one match in the stipulation setting... then maybe.

Instead we have a guy that defeated a streak that at one point in time both Mark Henry and Randy Orton were candidates to beat, had terrible title reigns, lost to the face of the company [Cena], and isn't even the most convincing monster WWE has ever had.

And you want to claim he'd beat Hogan cuz he's vicious and whatnot? LOL no.

And that person wasn't Hogan. Who spent his whole career beating monsters.

We aren't booking feuds here. These are one off matches were the greater star gets voted over. Lesnar is no where near big enough to take Hogan out.

Then, once again, Vader should have never gone over Austin in a simple Strap Match.

If one can logically argue that Vader, who is no where near Austin's level can beat Austin in a match Austin would be right at home in, one can logically argue that Lesnar can beat Hogan.

Stipulation matches seem to be what's supposed to remove just relying on the laurels of "star power," which you're heavily basing your opinion on.

 

[SSJPhenom]

What does Heyman have to with this match there is no suggestion that he can play any part in this match but your logic I guess the NWO can come out and attack Lesnar advantage Hogan. His victory in their only encounter when Brock was in his prime and Hogan was 49?

Heyman has a hell of a lot to do with this match because Heyman has been in Lesnar's corner throughout about 90% of Lesnar's career.

 

[SSJPhenom]

Then, once again, Vader should have never gone over Austin in a simple Strap Match.

If one can logically argue that Vader, who is no where near Austin's level can beat Austin in a match Austin would be right at home in, one can logically argue that Lesnar can beat Hogan.

Stipulation matches seem to be what's supposed to remove just relying on the laurels of "star power," which you're heavily basing your opinion on.

He always heavily bases his opinion on star power. Which is what takes the fun out of this tournament. I mean it's these types of matches that's supposed to stop it from coming down to Hogan, Austin, The Rock, and Cena every year.

He knows that if this match were to actually happen that Lesnar would probably go over because as much as he'd have you believe that Hogan is a demi god who can't lose to a heel, he knows that it's possible. Hogan once lost to a heel Undertaker who simply Tombstoned him on a chair. Lesnar will do far worse to Hogan than that. And while he'd have you believe Hogan can be just has vicious as Lesnar, he knows Hogan can't. Hogan may be able to use weapons but he's never been vicious with them. Ech doesn't honestly believe that a couple chair shots from Hogan, along with a weight belt whipping, and a nail rake across the back will stop Lesnar.

 

[Jaffa]

Still can't see where it says Paul Heyman is at ringside and seeing as it is a Hell in a Cell he can't get in anyway what is he going to stand on top of the cell like he did last time anyway. If it isn't stated you can't speculate, also if we are all so very certain Heyman will be there what is stopping the NWO so (Kevin Nash, Diesel, Vinnie Vegas, Oz, Scott Hall, Razor Ramon, The Diamond Studd, The Big Show, Paul Wight, The Giant, Jeff Jarrett, X-Pac, 1-2-3 Kid, Syxx, Scott Steiner, NWO Sting, Bret Hart, Buff Bagwell, Scott Norton, Bischoff, Rick Rude, Curt Henning, Mr Perfect , Elizabeth, Randy Savage in the NWO, Konnan, Dusty Rhodes, Lex Luger, Ted DiBiase, Trillionaire Ted, Vincent, Virgil,) or Mr T or Randy Savage from the Mega Powers days or Brutus the Barber Beefcake. What's that it doesn't say any of them are there or so why is Paul Heyman?

 

[Bythedockofthebay]

Still can't see were it says Paul Heyman is at ringside and seeing as it is a Hell in a Cell he can't get in anyway what is he going to stand on top of the cell like he did anyway. If it isn't stated you can't make guesses also if we are all so very certain Heyman will be there what is stopping the NWO so (Kevin Nash, Diesel, Vinnie Vegas, Oz, Scott Hall, Razor Ramon, The Diamond Studd, The Big Show, Paul Wight, The Giant, Jeff Jarrett, X-Pac, 1-2-3 Kid, Syxx, Scott Steiner, NWO Sting, Bret Hart, Buff Bagwell, Scott Norton, Bischoff, Rick Rude, Curt Henning, Mr Perfect , Elizabeth, Randy Savage in the NWO, Konnan, Dusty Rhodes, Lex Luger, Ted DiBiase, Trillionaire Ted, Vincent, Virgil,) or Mr T or Randy Savage from the Mega Powers days or Brutus the Barber Beefcake. What's that it doesn't say any of them are there or so why is Paul Heyman?

Hogan had the all those guys in his corner for a short portion of his career, while Heyman has almost always been in Brocks. I think it's completely reasonable for Heyman to be there, I just don't think it makes a difference.

 

[Bernkastel]

Then, once again, Vader should have never gone over Austin in a simple Strap Match.

Correct. But don't cry at me for it.

If one can logically argue that Vader, who is no where near Austin's level can beat Austin in a match Austin would be right at home in, one can logically argue that Lesnar can beat Hogan.

Except those arguments weren't logical. They were literally "LOL Austin has a broken neck and Vader is a monster. He's fucked." There was no regard for kayfabe logic or for the fact that Austin, the bigger star, would have been booked to win anyway.

Stipulation matches seem to be what's supposed to remove just relying on the laurels of "star power," which you're heavily basing your opinion on.

They really don't. All they do is add emotion to the matches and give people the excuse to vote based on biased. There is a rare chance that the bigger star will draw a match that's works against him totally. But it normally doesn't happen. Remember Punk over Andre in a ladder match? There were plenty of us who thought that match was a joke. It basically switched the focus of "Hogan can't climb ladders" to "Andre can't climb ladders."

In the end though I don't care. Vote for whomever you want. If you want to vote Lesnar, then vote Lesnar. Personally I don't think he has a hope in hell of winning and should not be booked over, so I'm voting Hogan.

 

[Bythedockofthebay]

Correct. But don't cry at me for it.



Except those arguments weren't logical. They were literally "LOL Austin has a broken neck and Vader is a monster. He's fucked." There was no regard for kayfabe logic or for the fact that Austin, the bigger star, would have been booked to win anyway.



They really don't. All they do is add emotion to the matches and give people the excuse to vote based on biased. There is a rare chance that the bigger star will draw a match that's works against him totally. But it normally doesn't happen. Remember Punk over Andre in a ladder match? There were plenty of us who thought that match was a joke. It basically switched the focus of "Hogan can't climb ladders" to "Andre can't climb ladders."

In the end though I don't care. Vote for whomever you want. If you want to vote Lesnar, then vote Lesnar. Personally I don't think he has a hope in hell of winning and should not be booked over, so I'm voting Hogan.

The only thing I can say here, is that Lesnar has never been booked logically. He's beaten bigger stars and lost to lower level guys his whole career. He wins the belt from Rock loses it to Big Show. Beats CM Punk loses to Triple. Beats Taker at mania. I don't think Lesnar should beat Hogan here but it wouldn't shock me to see it happen.

In fact it's the reason I was the only guy saying that Taker would lose to Taker. Brock Lesnar is the simply the most conflicting and confounding guy in wrestling. He should go over? He will lose match he shouldn't, he shouldn't win it? he usually wins.

 

[Jaffa]

Paul Heyman would most definately be at ringside. Assisting any way and even possibly directly if Brock busts open the cell.


If we are to think Hogan survives this, then lets take a look at a bit of history.

In the 4 months prior to fighting Lesnar, Hogan was the WWf Undisputed Champ & half of the WWE Tag champions. Pretty good for an old guy huh.

Then....

Lesnar beat him. By submission. The first ever to defeat Hogan by having the match called. Lesnar beat Hogan bloody and unconscious in the ring. Hogan didnt come back until 03 after the beating Brock gave him. This is in the cell. So bare bones its Brock and the cell vs Hogan and his weight belt. Hogan is getting whipped into that thing alot. Brock has his number here.


And for those that want to talk career? Brock did all this in a somewhat short career in sports. While Hogan goes off to do movies, Brock picks something to destroy.

King of the Ring
Royal Rumble Winner
Youngest WWE World Heavyweight Champion in history
IWGP Heavyweight Champion
NCAA Champion
Big Ten Champion
UFC Heavyweight Champion
Conqueror of The Streak

First of all a 5 week stint for Hogan is not much when you take into his other stats

World Tag Team Championship (1 time)
WWF Championship/WWF/E Undisputed Championship (6 times) - 4th longest and 9th longest reigns in history in 2 of his 6 reigns
Royal Rumble (1990, 1991) - First guy to win the Royal Rumble twice and back to back
WCW World Heavyweight Championship (6 times) - including longest reign in history
Won the mainevent of the following Wrestlemanias
1
2
3
5
7
8
9

Now to compare Lesnar's

King of the Ring - Ok something Hogan never did
Royal Rumble Winner - Hogan did it before and twice as many times
Youngest WWE World Heavyweight Champion in history - Think you'll find that's Daniel Bryan, Lesnar is the youngest WWE Champion in history and Randy Orton is the youngest World Heavyweight Champion in history
IWGP Heavyweight Champion - That's nice Lesnar 4 time World Champion most impressive next to 12 time world champion in Hogan and thanks Echelon who told told me this that Hogan is also a former IWGP tournament winner from before the title was created. And he beat Inoki in Japan to win it. Point Hogan.
NCAA Champion - Not relevant to this match seeing as you all claim Lesnar will destroy him I haven't seen one single Lesnar will win by out mat wrestling him.
Big Ten Champion - See above
UFC Heavyweight Champion - Sick Bro did I misread this tournament as a wrestling one and not an MMA one
Conqueror of The Streak - Beat another 49 year old past his prime good on you Brock you seem to do that a bit

But to be fair he did win the mainevent of one wrestlemania compared Hogan who only won the mainevent of 7 of them.

 

[DarksideEric]

Correct. But don't cry at me for it.

Except those arguments weren't logical. They were literally "LOL Austin has a broken neck and Vader is a monster. He's fucked." There was no regard for kayfabe logic or for the fact that Austin, the bigger star, would have been booked to win anyway.

In that case, then Brock was booked to win over Austin in a pretty much completely impromptu match. In kayfabe logic (at least WWE's, not Austin's) Lesnar back then was good enough to defeat one of the biggest stars in history in a regular match, let alone a Hell in a Cell. Why should a prime Lesnar (arguably currently, since he hit his crowning achievement) not have a chance to topple a prime Hogan in a shocker finish?

They really don't. All they do is add emotion to the matches and give people the excuse to vote based on biased. There is a rare chance that the bigger star will draw a match that's works against him totally. But it normally doesn't happen. Remember Punk over Andre in a ladder match? There were plenty of us who thought that match was a joke. It basically switched the focus of "Hogan can't climb ladders" to "Andre can't climb ladders."

No, I wasn't around for that match, this is my first tournament, but I read about the Austin/Vader as an example that stipulations can/should sometimes work against star power. I have to question though, if these tournaments are supposed to be pretty much star power anyway, Hogan should win every tournament, should he not?

In the end though I don't care. Vote for whomever you want. If you want to vote Lesnar, then vote Lesnar. Personally I don't think he has a hope in hell of winning and should not be booked over, so I'm voting Hogan.

I know that, but these are meant for discussion, so... I was discussing.

Conqueror of The Streak - Beat another 49 year old past his prime good on you Brock you seem to do that a bit

Bit of a side question, not to take away from Hogan/Lesnar...

Prime Taker vs. Prime Lesnar, who wins that?

 

[Dragon Chief]

Undertaker wasn't in his prime when he lost the streak match to Brock Lesnar but neither was Brock Lesnar when he beat him. Brock Lesnar was a dominate wrestler, more so than any opponent Hulk Hogan has faced before. Hulk Hogan main-evented many WrestleManias, more than Brock Lesnar but look at who he has faced at WrestleMania, King Kong Bundy, Andre the Giant (past his prime), Sgt. Slaughter, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior. None of those wrestlers were as dominant as Brock Lesnar was, the closest one was Ultimate Warrior and he beat Hulk Hogan clean at the age of 30, proving experience won't be a factor. Randy Savage is an amazing wrestler but he wasn't a dominant wrestler. Brock Lesnar demolished the master of the Hell in a Cell, not even being one year into his wrestling career and then had enough strength to climb the top of the cell with his championship gold and raise it above the cell, to show he beat Undertaker with ease. This would be a close match but I don't see how Brock Lesnar would lose this, Hulk Hogan is the bigger star but if this were to occur in both their primes, Lesnar would come out on top because that was simply the way he was booked. Take this into consideration, WWE was willing to feed Steve Austin (a man considered to be on the same level as Hogan, to some bigger than Hogan) to a rookie Brock Lesnar in a low-profile King of the Ring match, imagine how they would book him if he were to face Hulk Hogan in a match of this caliber.

Brock Lesnar wins.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

I was ready to come in here, vote for Brock Lesnar and leave. Eat, Sleep, Vote, Repeat, I guess you could say. Then I realised where this was. Madison Square Garden. The birth place of Hulkamania. There is no way on God's Green Earth (to quote a certain Mr. Johnson) that Hulk Hogan would lose at Madison Square Garden. None. I could see the set-up now; Lesnar mauls and breaks Hogan months prior. He completely batters and bloodies him. Then, Hogan has to take months off as Lesnar rips through the competition and then, Hogan makes the big babyface comeback. The match is set for MSG and from there on out it's inevitable. You see all the old favourites; the Boot, the Leg, the Posing, all that. Hogan wins, the crowd goes home happy.

 

[Jaffa]

Undertaker wasn't in his prime when he lost the streak match to Brock Lesnar but neither was Brock Lesnar when he beat him. Brock Lesnar was a dominate wrestler, more so than any opponent Hulk Hogan has faced before. Hulk Hogan main-evented many WrestleManias, more than Brock Lesnar but look at who he has faced at WrestleMania, King Kong Bundy, Andre the Giant (past his prime), Sgt. Slaughter, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior. None of those wrestlers were as dominant as Brock Lesnar was, the closest one was Ultimate Warrior and he beat Hulk Hogan clean at the age of 30, proving experience won't be a factor. Randy Savage is an amazing wrestler but he wasn't a dominant wrestler. Brock Lesnar demolished the master of the Hell in a Cell, not even being one year into his wrestling career and then had enough strength to climb the top of the cell with his championship gold and raise it above the cell, to show he beat Undertaker with ease. This would be a close match but I don't see how Brock Lesnar would lose this, Hulk Hogan is the bigger star but if this were to occur in both their primes, Lesnar would come out on top because that was simply the way he was booked. Take this into consideration, WWE was willingly to feed Steve Austin (a man considered to be on the same level as Hogan, to some bigger than Hogan) to a rookie Brock Lesnar in a low-profile King of the Ring match, imagine how they would book him if he were to face Hulk Hogan in a match of this caliber.

Brock Lesnar wins.

The year before Hogan faced Savage at mania Savage won 70.9% of his matches that year. In Lesnar's most dominate year 2003 in which he won the WWE title at wrestlemania after winning the Royal Rumble and won a 60 minute ironman match for the WWE title won 70.1% of his matches. The man who beat Hogan Ultimate Warrior won 87.8% of his matches the year before he faced Hogan at mania which clearly shows how he was far less dominate than Lesnar.
Hogan has won a total of 76.5% of all his matches Lesnar 72.4%
Brock's longest WWE title reign was 152 days people with longer reigns include
CM Punk
John Cena x 2
Triple H
Randy Orton x 2
The Miz
Stone Cold
Shawn Michaels
Diesel
Bret Hart x 2
Yokozuna
Randy Savage
Ultimate Warrior
Hulk Hogan x 3
Bob Backland
Billy Graham
Pedro Morales
Bruno Sammartino x 2
If 17 other people out of the 44 people roughly 39% that have been Lesnar have held the title for longer including Hogan 3 times how is Lesnar so dominate? If Lesnar is so dominate then how come Hogan has a higher overall win percentage than Lesnar does in his most dominate year? Brock Lesnar in his prime was trading victories with Kurt Angle in his prime. Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar and I guess Kurt Angle was as good as and better than Ultimate Warrior, Randy Savage, Roddy Piper, Andre The Giant and Hogan himself.

 

[MCMG]

Mind that time Brock defeated The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. That, kind off like defeating Hogan in his prime, is unthinkable.

Furthermore, Hogan lost to Warrior which doesn't mean he is as perfect as everyone is suggesting. Brock is also pretty comfortable fighting inside a cage... Lets all vote for the conqueror, the beast and the man who has already defeated Hulk Hogan.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

In a regular match, I'd go with Hogan. But in a Cell, I am leaning towards Lesnar. Brock is an animal, an animal well suited to being locked inside a Cell to fight. He's far more aggressive, brutal and evil than Hogan is- which is what you need to survive The Devil's Playground.

Lesnar doesn't have the legacy that Hogan has (no-one does), but if we are basing it only on who is the bigger star, then Hogan would win the damn thing every year! Brock was only around for a short period of time but in those few short years he won King of The Ring, became the youngest WWE Champion in history, won the Royal Rumble and beat everyone put infront of him.

Including Hulk Hogan. If you recall, Lesnar destroyed Hulk leaving him a bloody mess- the kind of beating we had rarely seen Hogan absorb before.

Not only that, but Lesnar ended the legendary Streak of The Undertaker...a man who has beaten Hogan TWICE for the WWE Championship (in 1991 and 2002). You could argue that Lesnar's victory over the Deadman wasn't in 'Taker's prime, but in recent years Undertaker had beaten Triple H, CM Punk, Shawn Michaels in show-stealing matches- at Wrestlemania he always upped his game.

Brock has only been in 1 Hell in a Cell match before- against Undertaker...who he beat to a bloody pulp, emerging victorious once again. But, remember...as UFC Champion he was locked inside a cage each and every night.

Hogan couldn't outwrestle the former NCAA champion, he couldn't live with the former UFC Champion in a cage, he isn't stronger than Brock and he Lesnar has dominated guys like Undertaker and The Rock- both of whom have beaten Hogan in the past, plus we have the 1 match between the 2 to go on- which Lesnar won.

I'm voting Brock in this. I just don't see how Hogan's style of offense would hurt Lesnar more than what Brock would dish out in an Cell match.

 

[nightmare]

Still can't see where it says Paul Heyman is at ringside

Rules are there. It applies.

and seeing as it is a Hell in a Cell he can't get in anyway

You do know it is very possible to get in\out of the cell, right?

If it isn't stated you can't speculate,

Yes, we can.

also if we are all so very certain Heyman will be there what is stopping the NWO so (Kevin Nash, Diesel, Vinnie Vegas, Oz, Scott Hall, Razor Ramon, The Diamond Studd, The Big Show, Paul Wight, The Giant, Jeff Jarrett, X-Pac, 1-2-3 Kid, Syxx, Scott Steiner, NWO Sting, Bret Hart, Buff Bagwell, Scott Norton, Bischoff, Rick Rude, Curt Henning, Mr Perfect , Elizabeth, Randy Savage in the NWO, Konnan, Dusty Rhodes, Lex Luger, Ted DiBiase, Trillionaire Ted, Vincent, Virgil,) or Mr T or Randy Savage from the Mega Powers days or Brutus the Barber Beefcake. What's that it doesn't say any of them are there or so why is Paul Heyman?

Because you are dumb & some of those people are the same person. Thats why.