WWE: Losing the War?

[simonhirst]

ok another problem im already predicting is ppl actually think jericho will ''save'' the WWE... sorry but one guy cant save WWE.. just cuz jericho will come back doesnt mean the storylines/feuds will get better, doesnt mean that the wrestlers will get more depth like in the attitude era, it just means more entertaining matches and promos, while thats a good thing, it isnt enough to save WWE

and ppl should really stop thinking ''oh tonight's the night that jericho will come back'' honestly i knew he wouldnt be at cyber sunday, or this weeks raw for that matter, i think jericho will only come back after survivor series or something like that, right now ratings are goin up, they dont need jericho yet...

u say they wont bring jericho back because ratings are rising, but surely thats the time to bring him back to ensure they rise. if wwe dnt bring him back and ratings decrease, most likely due to there boredom of waitin, surely the point of bringin him back has a decreased value as the ratings for his return wont be anythin special. WWE try to fool us because wen we think hes comin back, ie cyber sunday, he dnt, we think its the raw after, it changes, one this tactic will bore fans and become predictable, secondly, by the wwe trying to be clever and changing it on the day he returns, surely the days inbetween wen its 99% sure he wont appear, that wont be as watched as much. im of the opinion that wen summet is goin rite for u, build on it and dnt rely on it. if u rely on it, its more likely to go rong than if u try to build on it for summet better. if the ratings are goin up while y2j isnt here, imagine the ratings if they introduce him at the rite time. personally i think theyve left it late and he shud have been on the survivor series card which wud maybe boost the ratings. is there a post for how hes goin to return cos ive reli no idea.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

u say they wont bring jericho back because ratings are rising, but surely thats the time to bring him back to ensure they rise. if wwe dnt bring him back and ratings decrease, most likely due to there boredom of waitin, surely the point of bringin him back has a decreased value as the ratings for his return wont be anythin special. WWE try to fool us because wen we think hes comin back, ie cyber sunday, he dnt, we think its the raw after, it changes, one this tactic will bore fans and become predictable, secondly, by the wwe trying to be clever and changing it on the day he returns, surely the days inbetween wen its 99% sure he wont appear, that wont be as watched as much. im of the opinion that wen summet is goin rite for u, build on it and dnt rely on it. if u rely on it, its more likely to go rong than if u try to build on it for summet better. if the ratings are goin up while y2j isnt here, imagine the ratings if they introduce him at the rite time. personally i think theyve left it late and he shud have been on the survivor series card which wud maybe boost the ratings. is there a post for how hes goin to return cos ive reli no idea.

but u see WWE didnt say he would be coming on cyber sunday, or raw, they didnt leave any clue like that, its the IWC thats SO hyped about him that they think at every raw or PPV he'll come back, if WWE left so many hints on him being at cyber sunday, or raw, i woud've actually thought he would have been at cyver sunday or raw

WZ posted a while back a date that made sense, the date jerichos book tour ends, i 4got what it was now but i think it was mid november, im guessing its around that time he will be back, but even if it takes longer, i wont be suprised, its not the WWE thats letting u down, its the IWC thats letting themselves down, sometimes u guys ''pick up on clues'' that werent really suppose to be clues maybe?? and that ur over thinking the dates of when he will be back

and many fans dont even know about jericho yet, for example my brother watches WWE just as much as me (though he doesnt read the stuff on the internet) and when ppl scream ''Y2J'' he just says ''wtf, why do ppl keep screaming Y2J?''...thats the fans WWE can and still want to suprise with jericho coming back, and those are the ppl that will get WWE more ratings, not the ppl that already know, every1 who knows will keep tuning in for some reason and keep thinking ''tonight's the night'' so WWE doesnt care about suprising those fans...hence why they dont need to bring him back right now and be worried that ''ppl wont be interested anymore'' the fanbase that will lose interest in waiting is very small...

 

[MonsterMash]

I miss the "anything can happen" feel where they had something completely out of the ordinary happen. Remember Kane taking Austin's title after botched interference from Undertaker? Sable exposing her breasts to the world? Austin filling a Corvette with cement?

It was risky back then and has become much more tame now. The last thing I can think of that me made want to watch Raw; the thing that made me go out of my way to watch Raw was when Edge beat Cena right after the elimination chamber for the WWE title. It was surprising and at the time, it was new - Edge had never won a world title before.

 

[Freedom 35]

I miss the "anything can happen" feel where they had something completely out of the ordinary happen. Remember Kane taking Austin's title after botched interference from Undertaker? Sable exposing her breasts to the world? Austin filling a Corvette with cement?

It was risky back then and has become much more tame now. The last thing I can think of that me made want to watch Raw; the thing that made me go out of my way to watch Raw was when Edge beat Cena right after the elimination chamber for the WWE title. It was surprising and at the time, it was new - Edge had never won a world title before.

The only thing thats even come close to unpredictable the WWE has is Edge hes the only person who brings excitement anymore. Like you said when he won the title after the elimination chamber that made it excitng, the live sex celebration that was edgey and was the highest rated segment the WWE has had in a while. Also when Edge went to Cenas house and slapped his dad that was also something new and exciting but other than Edge who has more interesting moments than just the ones Ive listed, its all just half assed generic things every monday and until they change something Edge will stay the lone exciting star in the WWE

 

[ACTAFOOL]

The only thing thats even come close to unpredictable the WWE has is Edge hes the only person who brings excitement anymore. Like you said when he won the title after the elimination chamber that made it excitng, the live sex celebration that was edgey and was the highest rated segment the WWE has had in a while. Also when Edge went to Cenas house and slapped his dad that was also something new and exciting but other than Edge who has more interesting moments than just the ones Ive listed, its all just half assed generic things every monday and until they change something Edge will stay the lone exciting star in the WWE

i agree, WWE has lost that edge of anything can happen, edge is pretty much the only one that keeps it alive, another moment was when he speared john cena through the table at ONS to let RVD win

thats why many fans enjoy TNA more nowadays, they dont have that ''formula'' that every1 already knows, WWE has been around many years so its normal for fans to know the plans ahead even without the internet sometimes, but in TNA we dont know what could happen next, who the next champ will be, and the risky moves also make it more enjoyable, im not here to say TNA is better or anything, its just one of the things they got a upper hand on WWE, being unpredictable...

 

[RAW Is Jericho]

I totally argee that WWE is losing the war, lately when I've watched WWE it's been endless promos and barely any matches, TNA, on the other hand, actually have great matches with shorter promos which is why I've only been watching TNA lately.

 

[SuperXero]

There's really no such thing as loosing or winning a war "creatively" because that's not the battle ground in which the war is being fought. That said, I believe that a great deal of WWE programming has become boring, but at the same time, TNA has become insulting to my intelligence. In other words, I get bored watching WWE, but I just get angry watching TNA.

 

[Vince11]

Hey everyone, this is my first post here. My name's Vince and I just thought I'd chime in.

I pretty much agree with this entire thread. The WWE is boring. The storylines are dull. Corny promos. Bad matches. I blew 40 dollars to watch Randy Orton hit Michaels in the nuts, or watch Mysterio beat Finlay who could easily be one of the best wrestlers in the WWE, or watch some reality TV star go for a championship, and not have Jericho return?

A lot to take in, but lets look at it.

We all talk about how the McMahon's haven't been very diverse in the storylines. Idk if its been pointed out in this thread (i've only read the first 4 pages) but Mr Kennedy was supposed to be McMahon's son. He violated the wellness policy, changing up that storyline. Maybe it would have been a lot different? Hornswoggle is just a comedic replacement.

How about the ECW? NO extreme rules matches. The most recent was Nunzio throwing apples at Tommy Dreamer.

Other then Punk, there most featured star is a former fat pimp who wrestled in his pajamas. Are people supposed to be scared of Big Daddy V when his chest flows out like that? Punk, Burke, and Morrison are the only guys who have a spec of talent on that show. (I hate Morrison. He seems like a punk to me, but he's pretty impressive.)

Why does Batista keep getting title shots? MVP, Finlay, Kane and Taker are all worlds better then Batista. Just because Batista is bulky and has timed pyro's doesn't mean that 3 spinebusters a match is championship material.

How about unmasking Kane? Kane was a monster. He scared the hell out of me every time I saw him from 97-01. Then his gimmick started dieing down. Kane should rarely speak. Kane shouldnt have lyrics in his song. Kane isn't scary anymore. He's just some bald goofy looking white guy. It doesn't look like he's getting a title shot any time soon either huh?

The WWE pushes the wrong people, and lets go the wrong people. Umaga and Snitsky are supposed to be intimidating? Shelton Benjamin only performs once every 2 of 3 weeks? Why is Mysterio still main event material? Ever since he came back, he's not nearly as entertaining. let him and Chavo and Jimmy Wang Yang (who impresses the hell out of me) battle for the Cruiserweight title. What ever happened to good submission moves? Why does Randy Orton get the championship and not get suspended for violating the wellness policy.

And for the people who say "Jericho should make everything better". The guy is what? 200 pounds now? It's gonna take him a while to get back into shape and to get back to being entertaining in the ring. I can't wait for Y2J to return, but I have a weird feeling about being let down since the WWE clearly has no idea how to use there guys.


It's looking up tho. I think Lance Cade should be pushed more. Bob Holly/Rhodes should get a tag title shot. MVP, DH Smith, McIntyre, are all young up and comers. Santino is hilarious on the mic.

The WWE needs a lot of adjustments. Plain and simple

-Vince

 

[Reaper]

Okay, before I begin let me tell everyone that reads this that TNA has no shot of winning a battle let alone a war with the WWE unless the WWE goes on a month long hiatus and just shows re-runs from the last year. Even then the WWE may still kick the crap out of TNA's shows.

To answer the question stated in the topic title NO! Not because the WWE is making great programming, but for the fact that TNA is no where near the level of the WWE. Not in fanbase, not in wrestler recruitment, and certainly not in the most important aspect RATINGS.

TNA loses the ratings battle to ECW on a weekly basis. Is TNA making strides? Yes, but they can't even become competiton until they get an IMPACT! epsiode rating higher than 3 which is what WWE RAW does every monday and thats going staright up against MNF. When there is no MNF after football season ends RAW will probably jump back into the low to mid 4's.

Next, TNA is trying to become popular by following the old WCW startegy: Take the WWE's talent and make it profitable for you. However, I feel the need to send a memo to TNA syaing the following: "These wrestlers were garbage in WWE for a reason. Please stop making me digest them (Raven, Rhyno, Rikishi, Ron Killings) over again. Thank You". What they should be doing is building from the inside out. Take your home-grown talent (AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, MCMG) and put them on display. IMO the product was much better when Team Canada (A group made up entirely up TNA home-grown talent) was being put in the limelight. TNA has such great talent that if they stuck with it that it would pay off huge in the long run. However, they wan't fame, fortune, and glory now so they bring back......hold your breath.....Scott Fricken Hall!!!!!OMG!!!! ok no. I mean if they are going to bring back WWE talent they should do it from this Century not the last one.

Until TNA stops being run by mental midgets they will never even be competition to the WWE let alone win the war against them.

 

[kabby420]

You make some excellent points, and you raised one really great point. what is wwe gunna do with jericho when he gets back... because he's supposed to save the company or some crap like that... which should help in the war with tna... but they're gunna put jericho up against orton... who is a great wrestler, and it's gunna make y2j look ******ed.... just because 2 years is a long time to be away and like i said in another post i hope he's not gunna be like big poppa pump when he returned to wwe... we all remeber how well that went. i think thios on going battle for supremecy is healthy for teh competition, but what good is that when the people in charge of teh bookings are clueless as to what to do with the so called "undercards" liek mvp etc...because i haven't seen mvp properly showcase his talent yet and he's freakin awesome.... the only positive i can take out of all this is as follows... hopefully tna can do the same for teh business as wcw did... made for great competition for wwe programming. so hopefully these two companies go head to head and vince is forced to take his head out of his ass, smell the roses and start doing his job properly again.
Why can't the rock just totally bomb out of teh hollywood scene and come back home... we miss him ever so.

 

[tap-out]

Vince, i love it. Someone finally took some time to think what they wanted to write and nailed it.

Now for the whole losing the war? I think the WWE hasn't pushed the limits like it did back in the mid 90s-early 00's because they are able to get by without having to. Yes the ratings are down, but who are they going against? TNA, c'mon. TNA is still trying to find its own identity.

There are so many wreslters on the roster that are being pushed and shouldn't be. When watching mainly RAW and ECW i don't see any seperation in talent. It seems that all are on the same level...what i mean by this is back in the day you know it was taker, austin, rock, hhh, brock, angle, hbk, as the main eventers and then you had your mid-upper level guys who had there storylines going. Now it just seems like they throw different guys out there each week to try and fill a spot. I just have a hard time when you have a guy like, oh i don't know Mark Henry who was known as a mid level guy feuding with the likes of d'lo and venis and so on. And then all of a sudden we are expected to see and believe him as a legit top heel. Sorry that doesn't cut it.

All in all until the wwe has a true competitor it will only get better by the minimums.

 

[dphig1998]

as many times as i tried to watch tna it hasnt really entertained me yet. i think it's boring to me it doeesnt even compare to the old ecw.i hate how they do promos with the commentator following them with the mic in his hands i think tna is garbage.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

Okay, before I begin let me tell everyone that reads this that TNA has no shot of winning a battle let alone a war with the WWE unless the WWE goes on a month long hiatus and just shows re-runs from the last year. Even then the WWE may still kick the crap out of TNA's shows.

To answer the question stated in the topic title NO! Not because the WWE is making great programming, but for the fact that TNA is no where near the level of the WWE. Not in fanbase, not in wrestler recruitment, and certainly not in the most important aspect RATINGS.

TNA loses the ratings battle to ECW on a weekly basis. Is TNA making strides? Yes, but they can't even become competiton until they get an IMPACT! epsiode rating higher than 3 which is what WWE RAW does every monday and thats going staright up against MNF. When there is no MNF after football season ends RAW will probably jump back into the low to mid 4's.

Next, TNA is trying to become popular by following the old WCW startegy: Take the WWE's talent and make it profitable for you. However, I feel the need to send a memo to TNA syaing the following: "These wrestlers were garbage in WWE for a reason. Please stop making me digest them (Raven, Rhyno, Rikishi, Ron Killings) over again. Thank You". What they should be doing is building from the inside out. Take your home-grown talent (AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, MCMG) and put them on display. IMO the product was much better when Team Canada (A group made up entirely up TNA home-grown talent) was being put in the limelight. TNA has such great talent that if they stuck with it that it would pay off huge in the long run. However, they wan't fame, fortune, and glory now so they bring back......hold your breath.....Scott Fricken Hall!!!!!OMG!!!! ok no. I mean if they are going to bring back WWE talent they should do it from this Century not the last one.

Until TNA stops being run by mental midgets they will never even be competition to the WWE let alone win the war against them.

its obvious TNA isnt any threat yet, they've been around for 5 YEARS.. thats almost nothing in this industry, in 5 years ur lucky if u make 1 big name from ur company, they're ratings suck, but so what? just cuz a show has low ratings it sucks? TNA might have worse ratings then WWE but i dont think their shows are worse, i enjoy TNA much more then RAW, SD and ECW, i still like WWE more then TNA, but im not one of those loyal fans that think if they watch something else that isnt WWE it sucks

TNA is entertaining, they have great matches, great wrestlers, so what if they have some wwe rejects? they barley have any matches on impact anyway, they usually only get mic time, wich is what they're good at, so i say let them have it, and many wwe rejects dont get the shot they deserve in WWE so im glad to see guys like kurt, rhino, christian, etc in TNA, soon maybe RVD, booker, or scott hall?, so what if scott hall is old, i cant wait to see the NWO again in the same ring, that beats any crap WWE is putting out today, oh and yeah lets bash TNA for bringing in old names, when WWE was thinking of who they could bring back this year with a big name to bring ratings up, they still push ric flair lol, they still need stone cold and DX to save them when ratings are down, hornswoggle was cruiser champ, all the monsters of the show have been beaten b4 many times, how come they still push them as monsters??... yeah WWE is doin great.. the only actual ''superstar'' they made since the attitude era was cena.. WWE is doin so much better then TNA... ratings do say shit...

just because a show has less ratings doesnt mean its actually worse, its like saying all the movies that win oscars are actually better then any other movie who didnt win a oscar... ya.. right...

WWF lost to WCW for a long period of time, so did they suck at that time? i dont think so

ECW was almost off TV if it wasnt for the SD roster saving them...

 

[Reaper]

ok but how about this more people watch the new ECW on a weekly basis then IMPACT. That is inexusable. With all the talent on the TNA roster they should atleast beat the worst WWE brand. But like I said the bookers in TNA are complete morons. They put together some good shows. However, until they push their home-grown talent and give the X-Division a jump start they aren't going to ever be competition for the WWE.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

ok but how about this more people watch the new ECW on a weekly basis then IMPACT. That is inexusable. With all the talent on the TNA roster they should atleast beat the worst WWE brand. But like I said the bookers in TNA are complete morons. They put together some good shows. However, until they push their home-grown talent and give the X-Division a jump start they aren't going to ever be competition for the WWE.

i dont think its the booking i just think many ppl dont want to give TNA a shot, they think WWE is the best there is and dont wanna waste their time on another wrestling company, ya the booking could be better but take TNAs worse match of the night, it still beats WWEs best match easily on a weekly basis, ECW already had a HUGE fanbase, they are already well known, and its not ECW, its WWECW, anything from WWE will already start with a good rating cuz ppl watch WWE, when ECW was independent back in the day they couldnt hold a candle to TNAs success of today

the reason why ECW is watched more is because WWE already has a huge fanbase that supports their shows, and like i said b4, ECW has a huge fanbase, WWECW doesnt need to earn any new viewers, they just need to transfer the raw and SD viewers to ECW.. wich isnt really that hard, espcially with the new contract of SD guys goin to ECW

but TNA is still trying to reach out to ppl, many ppl dont even know wth TNA is to tell u the truth, they need better marketing... spike really doesnt help in that area

my brother saw TNA for the first time today, cuz he didnt have anything to do and i was watching TNA impact from this week on my pc, he caught the last match, the tag team titles match, and he was blown away by the match, wich to us TNA fans wasnt actually that amazing, but for those fans who just watch WWE he was like ''wow'' he now thinks WWE hasnt given us an entertaining match like that on raw, sd, and ecw the whole year... so TNA just got a new viewer after one match, TNA has the potential, they just need to get there name out more and make ppl actually give it a chance...

 

[italia]

i dont agree i think wrestling hasent gotten worse or better to me its pretty entertaining since i like promos more than the matches..since its entertaing..thats why its called world wrestling entertainment..=\

 

[johnnyvictory]

i agree the wwe as a whole is pretty shitty right now, but i can't take TNA. I've given it so many chances but every time i watch i can't help but notice that only a handful of guys really have talent there. Styles, Angle, Joe - they got some talent even though angles routine is getting stale, been watching the same freakin ankle lock for like a decade, come on kurt. Sting is done physically, reminds me of flair at moments. Yeah, wwe is at a low point, but TNA has never had a high point! WWE is the big show and TNA is the D-League of wrestling. I dont see it changing, WWE will come back with avengance and silence the critics like always. Y2J... save_us.229

 

[Screen]

Yes, I have really lost interest of the WWE in the past year or 2. Why? Simply because the superstars who WERE there who made Wrestlemanias the greatest show ever, are now gone. No Austin, Rock, Big Show, and Christian. The past maybe 4 Wrestlemanias, have been simply the worst pieces of puzzles ever put together into making a show. I mean, really? All the damn matches at WM 23 were plain old regular matches with no action what so ever (Of course the MITB match, a nice match overall) but you don't find what you use to right now. Wrestlemania is where all build up comes to an end after the year.

The storyline WWE is putting down are crap. One great example; Hardy and MVP. The feud has been going on for about 5 months already, end it already! We're tired of seeing little build ups to yet another PPV where somehow, MVP will retain. I'm tired of seeing that, really.

WWE has another problem, releasing superstars, or leaving superstars. The WWE has lost a ton of superstars in the last 5 years. Either to TNA, or just because they're tired of being there. Of course, as everyone says, WWE needs a lighter schedule. RVD, Angle, and Big Show all left because their bodies can't take it anymore. Good thing Jericho is coming back, maybe he'll bring better ratings.

@the topic; Yes, WWE is losing the war. We need a change, and quick. First of all, The Great Khali sucks. Get rid of him. I'm tired of seeing Batista Vs Khali in maybe the most worst 10 minute match ever for my eyes even bear to watch. Another thing, PUSH KENNEDY. He's been at the bottom for so long now, give him the damn championship. HE NEEDS IT. WWE NEEDS IT.

Bye.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

i agree the wwe as a whole is pretty shitty right now, but i can't take TNA. I've given it so many chances but every time i watch i can't help but notice that only a handful of guys really have talent there. Styles, Angle, Joe - they got some talent even though angles routine is getting stale, been watching the same freakin ankle lock for like a decade, come on kurt. Sting is done physically, reminds me of flair at moments. Yeah, wwe is at a low point, but TNA has never had a high point! WWE is the big show and TNA is the D-League of wrestling. I dont see it changing, WWE will come back with avengance and silence the critics like always. Y2J... save_us.229

handful of talent? samoa joe, aj styles, jay lethal, daniels, LAX, XXX, MCMG, petey williams, kaz, james storm, chris harris, robert roode, abyss, mesias, rhino, christian, kurt angle, jeff jarett, are all very talented, and theres more i know im 4getting

the truth is TNA doesnt even have enough time to show all their talent at its best, how are u tired of watching kurt angle do the ''same old anckle lock'' but u dont get tired of seeing the sweet chin music? the pedigree? the tombstone? in wrestling we see the same thing out of a wrestler until he retires and ur gonna tell me ur tired of kurt? this is pure hatred torwards another company due to the loyalty for WWE or some other reason i dont understand

when angle was in the WWE every1 said he was the best, now that hes in TNA all they say is ''hes about to injure himself for life, keep him outta WWE''... lol right, and sting can still put on a better match than SD current champ batista any day, not to mention he actually has mic skills and can cut a promo

now its ok for ppl to not enjoy TNA, but to say they have a handful of talent is pure ignorance no offense... and at least they use their talent, how many of us fans keep complaining that WWE doesnt push their roster with actual talent instead of making them job?

and how has TNA never had a high point in its 5 year career that just keeps growing?

is the WWE better then TNA? yes, i think so, but at the moment i dont see how WWE is better then TNA... this year was awful, and even though im a fan i admit when its a piece of crap and when the rival company is doing better, not in terms of ratings but in terms of entertainment...

 

[Shocky]

While I'm enjoying the conversation, I'm putting the brakes on the direction of this particular thread. It isn't a losing the War to TNA thread. There is a good WWE vs. TNA thread over in the TNA section, you should continue this conversation there.

Now, this topic, just to clarify, sort of. This is about WWE losing the war with its fan base. Where did the fans go, why has the WWE lost so many fans? Where is this disconnect, and what is the source of this? Or is there nothing wrong with the WWE at all. This is a thread about the WWE and it's situation with the fans, not a war with TNA, so back on topic please.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

While I'm enjoying the conversation, I'm putting the brakes on the direction of this particular thread. It isn't a losing the War to TNA thread. There is a good WWE vs. TNA thread over in the TNA section, you should continue this conversation there.

Now, this topic, just to clarify, sort of. This is about WWE losing the war with its fan base. Where did the fans go, why has the WWE lost so many fans? Where is this disconnect, and what is the source of this? Or is there nothing wrong with the WWE at all. This is a thread about the WWE and it's situation with the fans, not a war with TNA, so back on topic please.

lol sorry got carried away, but i thought it was a ''creative war'' between TNA and WWE the topic was talking about, anyway ill stop here

as for the fanbase i dont think they lost it to any competition, i guess its just because most fans got older and the WWE has been so focused on kids latley that they lost the interest of its older fans, sure they still have some solid good old fashioned wrestling matches from time to time but the storylines are pretty much non-existant and like it was mentioned b4 they lost that ''edge'' of anything can happen, they banned way too many moves, they hold back wrestlers in ring, i mean look at john cena from his early smackdown days to his WWE title reign, they held him back a lot to avoid injuries (im guessing its cuz of that) wich all in all makes the product stale, and a big reason for them to lose so many fans is also because the mid carders arent used, the tag team division isnt even used on PPVs that much, WWE has built themselves just around the main event, and with the main event roster being so thin or in some cases boring right now the show itself loses the most important part in its name, the entertainment... remember when we had 4 major superstars going for the title? now its just HBK and randy, they should throw HHH in the mix, and jericho when he comes back...

 

[vega13mv]

I'm a huge TNA fan, but sadly, i do think that the WWE isnt losing the war any time soon. and i dont think it has anything to do with TNA being an inferior product, its just that people wanna watch what they're used to. take ECW for example. ECW is a very broken brand that has been plauged with nothing but problems since its debut, there was even talk of pulling the plug on it, and a new contract had to be negotiated, and even with all its flaws it STILL has a higher weekly rating than TNA. that just goes to show that people arent giving TNA a chance. i bet what most people do when they first watch TNA is see a bunch of guys they dont know, and guys from either dead brands or guys that had a crappy run in the WWE, which immediately triggers, in their mind, a second rate show. the thing that people are missing is that in the ring, TNA puts on a hell of a show. these guys are way more gutsy than the WWE, and the risks they take in putting in some amazing spots are remarkable. take ultamite x for example, do you know how easily you can get fucked up during one of those matches? i mean, you're expected to wrestle a guy on a catwalk thin platform 20 ft. above the ground, thats insane! but they do it, cuz they know that real wrestling fans would appreciate the risk their taking to put on a unique, and spectacular performance. until TNA cathces up to WWE budget wise, it will be seen by the ignorant masses as a second rate show, which is a damn shame.

 

[thecrock0984]

This is a stupid discussion. WWE is not losing the War against TNA, cause there has to 2 to have a War. And from what I see on IMPACT now. TNA is headed for disaster. The womens divion. Dudleys running over, what I think is TNA's money maker, the X Division. I mean, doesnt that kinda lose credit to those guys, when you have 2 guys taken the whole Division out? And having The Fallen Angel, who should be a center peice of TNA, just another guy fighting the Dudleys? Womens wrestling over X Division matches. Ive watched wrestling all my life. Watched old wrestling to what it is today. Mark my word, TNA is on the verge of disaster the way things are going. Nash, Hall, Womens Wrestling, and burying the X Division and bringing in WWE rejects to get a push over the Talent they already have, will be the downfall of TNA Wrestling. They will never compete with the WWE because of this.

 

[Andy G]

I haven't fully watched an episode of RAW (and never one of Smackdown!) in probably 5 years. Its stale, boring and predictable. I don't think a few returns are going to help anything out either. Unless the WWE and Vince McMahon have a huge shake-up, the WWE will surely fall.

 

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Just to clarify once again, the idea behind this thread is a WWE vs. TNA CREATIVE war. Not who's more successful or who has the larger fan base. Looking at RAW & Impact from a critical viewpoint, is what I'm talking about here. Obviously WWE has more fans and is the more successful promotion, but personally I really believe that TNA is putting on a much better show then the WWE is.