WWE: Losing the War?

[clopin]

hmmm well I think I am one of the few here who is not a TNA fan. I have watched all there PPV's and must say it looks pretty unproffesional there.

I really hate the run-ins from other wrestlers..looks like in every match there is a run in. For action like the X division I rather look at Mexican or Japanese wrestling.

There are some who I like...AJ Styles, Christian ( liked him in the WWE also) and thats it.

So in my eyes WWE is not losing the war, nor will they ever lose the war. ofcourse ECW is not the old one....ofcourse there should be more cruiserweight fight....but the WWE does have the best wrestlers. Stars as HHH, Undertaker, Kane, Shawn Micheals, Edge, Orton, Misterio, Batista, The'Hardy's hell even Cena are way beter then wat the top of TNA has to offer.

 

[BigJeff]

I"watch" raw ever week. It takes me about 35-45 mins to watch a 2 hour show. I tivo it and fast forward through the commercials and boring stuff. Last week they had 15 mins of talking followed by a 2 min match and more talking, then another 2 min match and more talking . They have the "main event" start with 10 mins to go AND do intros and have a commercial break. I know that talking sets up the stories but what about having the main event last 20 mins.

 

[Heat Daddy]

I'll see what happens when Jericho, Cena, Edge, and Lashley are all back. I like TNA but I've always been a WWF/WWE fan. This is shaping up to be another wrestling war though and TNA is gaining serious momentum with Angle, Sting, Booker, Team 3D, The Steiners, VKM, Christian Cage, Samoa Joe, and a serious women's division led by Gail Kim and Jackie Moore. I guess TNA is hungry while WWE is still in chill mode. Competition is definitely what Vince and company need so if TNA gets a little more polish, this may be like old times again. It will definitely be great for the fans once Vince decides to get creative, place more emphasis on wrestling, and stop firing everybody.

 

[Low_Ki]

The only joy I have got out of RAW over the last 6 months was Santino Marella's promo's and the iminent return of Steve Austin, which has obviously now been completed. The only thing we have to look forward to now is the return of Y2J, and thats just a damn shame. On the flip side, I do not watch TNA either (maybe once or twice a year) and as much as I enjoy the difference, it doesn't really give me the feel of a legitimate wrestling competitor, I can't explain what I mean by that statement, but thats just how I feel. I do hope the WWE programme gets better, but that is in the hands of the booking staff.

 

[Prince Punk]

i have watched both shows and yes I do watch Raw every week and i try and catch E.C.W and smackdown also, at the same time i watch Impact and honestly both have their problems from a creative standpoint. while in WWE you get the same shit week in and week out with TNA they are pushing all of these "rejects" as ppl have been refering to them as. while some of them are far from rejects eg kurt angle christan rhyno. They are not using their big gun the x division. they also do not push their "homegrown" talent AJ styles Samoa Joe and Daniels are the 3 top examples of TNA talent that are not getting the push they deserve on that same aspect WWE is not doing anything to push its tag or cruiser division either though i do note the extra add on they are giving with jamie noble and the rey vs Noble match on smackdown was actually a good wrestling match with cruisers. if you really want to talk creative though the fact is both companys need to improve greatly and i feel that if they take each other as a threat it might get the juices flowing.


after thought: i forgot to note that TNA is giving Kaz a good push which im glad to see as he is a great wrestler and someone young that they can build for the future of their company

 

[KarlCross]

The main reason WWE has gone downhill? 'Brand' and 'split.'

I stopped watching the WWE around 2 months into the brand split and it wasn't till about 6 months ago I checked up on how it was doing. Needless to say I was so disappointed to see how sad things had become. In my opinion, it's a sad day when legends like HBK, who is clearly past his best, have to be recruited to boost ratings again. I was also disgutsed to be introduced to the man they call John Cena. It so sad that the big titles have been reduced to having to cling around the waist of such an idiot. I do realize he is out just now, I just hope he doesn't return. Gone are the days of Stone Cold Steve Austin (the real one, not that shambles feuding with the Italian fella with the horrific mic skills), The Rock and Mankind. The Undertaker must be thinking of hanging up his boots and un-masked Kane just ain't intimidating enough for my liking. All the real talent is fading quickly and being replaced by muscle heads with no real charisma (Batista!?). Awful stuff. Just awful. WWE will begin to lose the war in the next few years. I believe their only chance is to lure Jericho back to RAW and give him the championship. He is talented and amazing on the mic and in the ring.

On another note...saw my first TNA the other night there. Simply glued me to the screen I totally agree with the comparisons to the old Nitro's. Here's to hoping it continues to do well.

 

[tap-out]

Yes, the WWE is losing the war. Why? Simple. The WWE's arrogance. Again we have another superstar who wants to be released and behold he will get his wish and he will be replaced with an undeserving, green, rookie who possibly no one will get behind leading to the WWE bringing another possible bum to fill his spot. This is just getting bad and it is due to the brand splits. Why there was even thought of an ecw is beyond me when you don't even have enough wreslters on one of the rosters. I know that Vinny Mac believes he is making more money with the whole split epsecailly with the merchandising and so forth, but i think he would make more with the ratings if they were put back as one entity. The WWE, with 2 show Raw and Smackdown.
I know many of you guys have said that this wouldn't work due to not having enough time to showcase all the mainvenenters the WWE has. Guys, i hate to break it to you, but the WWE only has 5 superstars who have proven can take the mainevent and run with it(HHH,HBK,EDGE,TAKER,CENA). Many of you mid card talent lovers may argue and say what about Lashley, Kennedy, MVP, UMAGA, and so forth. I am saying that these guys may be maineventers in the future but now are not. So you take all three rosters now, cut the dead weight and you are left with your one roster. You now have a respectible Tag division and can focus on building feuds with anybody not just what you are limited to (whatever was on your roster b4). These stars aren't used to being on tv more than once a week as it is so if you need time for something/one else it wouldn't be that bad if they missed a week. So this whole, oh my god there wouldn't be enough time to shocase everyone, yes there would and it truly would be the best of the best in all divisions. I don't know why this is so hard to figure out for the McMahons, as i once met a wreslter in the caribbean who worked for Vince and truly said is one of the SMARTEST business men he knew and met. I miss seeing how feuds get started and continued in some unique fashion on the next show that week where anything can happen because everyone is there.
I just am ashamed to see what this has become to due to the arrogance of Vince and Co. and really miss the days of the Entertainment part of the WWE ironically when it was the WWF.

 

[Roaddawg71]

Yes, the WWE is losing the war. Why? Simple. The WWE's arrogance. Again we have another superstar who wants to be released and behold he will get his wish and he will be replaced with an undeserving, green, rookie who possibly no one will get behind leading to the WWE bringing another possible bum to fill his spot. This is just getting bad and it is due to the brand splits. Why there was even thought of an ecw is beyond me when you don't even have enough wreslters on one of the rosters. I know that Vinny Mac believes he is making more money with the whole split epsecailly with the merchandising and so forth, but i think he would make more with the ratings if they were put back as one entity. The WWE, with 2 show Raw and Smackdown.
I know many of you guys have said that this wouldn't work due to not having enough time to showcase all the mainvenenters the WWE has. Guys, i hate to break it to you, but the WWE only has 5 superstars who have proven can take the mainevent and run with it(HHH,HBK,EDGE,TAKER,CENA). Many of you mid card talent lovers may argue and say what about Lashley, Kennedy, MVP, UMAGA, and so forth. I am saying that these guys may be maineventers in the future but now are not. So you take all three rosters now, cut the dead weight and you are left with your one roster. You now have a respectible Tag division and can focus on building feuds with anybody not just what you are limited to (whatever was on your roster b4). These stars aren't used to being on tv more than once a week as it is so if you need time for something/one else it wouldn't be that bad if they missed a week. So this whole, oh my god there wouldn't be enough time to shocase everyone, yes there would and it truly would be the best of the best in all divisions. I don't know why this is so hard to figure out for the McMahons, as i once met a wreslter in the caribbean who worked for Vince and truly said is one of the SMARTEST business men he knew and met. I miss seeing how feuds get started and continued in some unique fashion on the next show that week where anything can happen because everyone is there.
I just am ashamed to see what this has become to due to the arrogance of Vince and Co. and really miss the days of the Entertainment part of the WWE ironically when it was the WWF.

Vince makes a lot more money being able to have two brands than can tour the country instead of just one. That doubles the house show earnings. It would be pretty sweet to see everyone on the same show again, but I dont see it happening.

the Italian fella with the horrific mic skills)

Santino is awesome on the mic. His funny accent is part of his gimmick.

 

[hurrican5547]

if nitro were still on, and it was the same as it was 5 years ago you'd be bitch that is the same old shit. The WWE is in a transition Era, of course its not good.... it's a transitional era. When do you have anything that stays gold forever? Everything needs to rebuild at some point. Look at the WWF before the Attitude Era, it was boring and going down the drain. Give it time, and stop bitching. And get off your bitching about John Cena, it's old... and annoying... get off the bandwagon already, it's not cool anymore

 

[TimPV3]

I don't believe it's the brand split, I believe it's the fact that there isn't really anybody entertaining to watch. Hardys and all good teams are split up, gimmick matches are just about extinct, and we have Randy Orton and Cena as the new main-eventers. My favorite wrestler right now is CM Punk, but even I'm not a fan of having the straight-edge angle pushed down my throat. Sure, I believe in being drug free, but bragging about being straight-edge is kind of annoying.

 

[mabuza]

I think the lack of competition has killed WWE creatively.During the Attitude era when WCW was right up there with them and ECW was on their backsides,they had no choice but to go all out to garner ratings.These days RAW,SD!& WWEECW are nothing more than promos& trailers for upcoming PPVs.The only "RAW Moments" this year where HBK turning on Cena,Vince's death& Hornswaggle being Vince's kid.Back in the old days,they wasnt an episode of RAW that wouldnt air without some kind of "moment" that made you laugh.angry,shocked etc.

 

[acmilan2005_01]

I know the reason I've completely lost interest is due to overkill. Theres 3 brands, 3 programs, thats 5 hours of wrestling a week right there. Now, 7 years ago I would have loved 5 hours of wrestling a week. But, now, theres just too many damn storylines/wrestlers to care about. Sure, we care about them, but we dont CARE about them like we did years ago. Thats because theres just too damn much to keep up with - too many shows and too many wrestlers (green, poor standard wrestlers at that). Theres just too many things going on all over the shop, theres no main direction. Theres too many titles, not enough competition in the division.

I mean, if you combined all the tag teams on each show and stuck them all on one, then you'd have a pretty good tag division. Instead, you have one good tag team here, one decent one there, then just a bunch of nobodies chucked together. Dont get me started on the main event scene.

I've been watching wrestling since 1988 (I'm 23) and I've never felt so lost watching wrestling as I have the last 2 years. I dont care about any wrestlers, bar one or two from a few years ago, and a few decent potentials for the future.

When I used to tune in EVERY SINGLE MONDAY for Raw Is War, I cared about the wrestlers, because I knew that this was my only chance to see them on TV for that week, and I knew that something good was going to happen, but I didnt have a clue at to what the hell that would be. Its just the way it was. Now before a Raw for example, you basically get told on WWE.com and on whatever program comes before it whats going to happen at what time. Yes, hype an event, but basically now you can pick at choose what you want to watch and when - theres no unpredictability. You just know nowadays (until he got injured) that Cena would come out on top of wheover he was facing. Same as Batista now, same as HHH before him.

I also think that 'creative' has nothing secure to focus on. Back when Raw was Raw Is War, everything was so focused. Now, theres just so much going on everywhere, everything is a rush, wrestlers a green, and creative is all over the place.

Also, theres absolutely nothing different between each show, same format, just different wrestlers. ECW is pointless, SD lost its appeal to me years ago.

If you had only Raw nowdays, we wouldnt have all this crap everywhere else that no-one truly cares about. We'd have just that absolute best all on one program, the be all and end all. It truly would be top notch programming I believe.

I've lost where I was going with this, but hopefully people will get my point. And BTW, Im not a 'I want the attitude era to come back' type of person. I just want to see decent programming, LIKE we had during the attitude era (please, no more DX and stone cold for fricks sake!)

Edit: Although, I cannot frickin wait for Y2J to return. Also, does anyone feel that Raw needs a complete revamp? Its looked the same for over 10 years now. I dont mean just slight change the logo so its on an angle, and put colours in the Raw stage, I mean completely change the whole look of the stage and logo, like when they went from the small arena with RAW in big letters to what was the original stage of what you see nowadays, or when WCW went from the awesome 'WCW' stage to the Raw-copycat. Something completely different to what we've seen before.

 

[chesswiz77]

What war?

I mean seriously, whose even close to taking over the #1 promotion moniker from WWE at this point. Answer- Is it TNA? Pleeeeeeeeeasssssssssssse! How about ROH? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight(doing Dr. Evil). The answer is no one. WWE at this juncture is in a league of their own. That doesn' mean their in good or great shape,b/c the fact is they have a lot to be concerned about right now. However WWE is in much better shape than they were in the mid-90's when WCW overcame them to be the #1 promotion in North America, and when they were close to bankruptcy.

TNA on the other hand has made good progress in 5 years, going form weekly ppv, to primetime, all the way to 2-hours. However there ratings and buyrates haven't gone up much in all of this. That is a bad sign if your TNA. In wrestling you get most of your money from buyrates and advertisement dollars(which is based off of ratings). B/C of that WWE is killing TNA in the revenue department(based off PPV and TV dollars earned), which is why I don't believe there's a war going on...right now at least.

If TNA continues to improve, and WWE continues to put their head in the sand then in the next few years I could see TNA overcome WWE and become the #1 promotion!

 

[mattitude_03]

There are several reasons WWE are loosing one is without doubt their arrogance but then when you are top of the league number one in the game and no one else is really threatening that position you can afford to be. Secondly big names. Yeah now days we have the John Cenas and Randy Ortons and Edges but non of these to me can carry the same excitement to wacth as the Rock and Austin did back in 90s into the 00's. Thirdy possibly the brand split while it was good at the time and worked i dont think its workling anymore the novelty has worn off! The roster is to split up and would be darn nice to see everyone all back together on one brand but hey!

 

[Batistabomb10]

I think the WWE is slacking creatively right now because they have no real competition. TNA has not yet established itself as a decent opposition for them, so they see no real reason to actually rack their brains and figure out good storylines. I digress... the real reason is probably a combination of things. We the fans complain about the superstars getting old, but maybe it's the Creative Team getting up in age, too? The panel from the 80-90's has long been past their greatest writing ability.
I think this might all go back to the old adage which goes a little something like this: You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people time some of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time. Perhaps we fans are just simply getting too picky since seeing the Attitude Era of the 90's!? When you have experienced the best, it becomes hard settling for less.

 

[JadeShocker]

WWE is just old news. Vince thinks he can get away with doing the same thing over, and over again because we keep watching. But guess what... Ratings have dropped over the years, and people ARE losing interest in WWE. They want a fresh product. There is NOTHING WWE can do, that they have not already done. We have the McMahons, Triple H, Dusty Rhodes, and a couple other guys writing 95 percent of the storyline, and none of them give a damn about it. As long as it fills up TV times, it's good. We're going to watch regardless.. Because that's what we have been doing for the past ten years on monday nights.. (I know Raw's been on longer than that, but 96-97 was the attitude era, when die-hard fans really started biting the hook.) Vince HAS become arrogant. He thinks we're all just a bunch of morons, and we don't know the difference. But even a dumb mark will tell you that WWE has been sucking for the past four-five years. Ever since WCW went down, WWE's been following shortly after.

I have no doubt in my mind that TNA will NEVER beat WWE in the ratings, or even get close. But.. Right now, they are certainly benefitting from Vince's lack of concern. In 97 he would have fought tooth, and nail to keep Booker, Kurt, Christian.. But he's getting complacent. He may think it's too much of a headache trying to keep these guys. But giving TNA a chance to nab guys like Booker, Angle, Paul Wight, etc is gonna' wind up giving him a MUCH larger headache in the end. As far as writing goes.. He should hire some new guys.. Guys who DO care about the business still. Let them come up with concepts, let his vets be in charge of shooting them down or approving them. To be honest. I HOPE TNA beats WWE, and becomes number one. But that will probably never happen.

 

[MightyFlameboy]

I agree that WWE is getting too complacent, and to some extent, overly cautious. It's so obvious WWE is riding on certain superstars' popularity with the masses to sell their program and merchandises. One good example would be Cena, which is massively popular with the majority of the marks, while extremely unpopular among true wrestling fans like most peeps here.

Since when have we seen a major heel turn? Back in those days when Austin was popular, it still didn't stop the creative team from executing a heel turn angle by aligning him with Vince to screw the Rock. Back then, WWE was eager and daring to experiment, and it all turned out good.

Right now? They're afraid if they turn Cena heel, they'll lose all the little kiddo marks who buy Cena merchandises. I say, heck with all the business and politics, and continue to experiment with storylines never done before, cos' it's the true wrestling fan who keeps the business alive till this day, not some random kiddo who liked Cena's rapping.

I also agree there's a lack of charismatic, distinct tag teams. I'm not so worried about singles feud cos' there's still HHH, HBK, Undertaker and the rest of the old birds to keep this department alive at least for another few more good years. But it's appalling that no tag team in WWE now can match up to the intensity and excitement that the Hardys, Dudleys and Edge & Christian brought to us during the Attitude Era.

Initially, my interest in WWE was sparked off by the charisma of the Rock and Chris Jericho. But when they got a little stale at times, the Hardys and Dudleys entertained me a real deal with their gimmick matches TLC, and kept my interest going. Right now, I give nuts about the tag team division. It's just another excuse for good singles stars to solidify their position, such as the recent odd team of MVP and Matt Hardy. Anybody cared about Cade and Murdoch now, like u did when Hardys/Dudleys/E&C were tag team champions?

Oh yeah, another thing is that the actual wrestling in WWE is getting a little bit conservative. When was the last Hardcore match? Somebody doing something crazy, like Hardy Swanton Bombing from a ladder? Where are the TLC matches? Where are the wrestling talents? Though I felt Angle's character was a little stale, I'm actually beginning to miss his technical mat wrestling.

 

[FlexBuffchest]

Sorry, flameboy and no dis to Jeff(who has missed quite a few moves as of late) but regardless, if you saw Survivor Series you might have seen Jeff break laws of physics. Wait. No...you didn't...LOL!

 

[MightyFlameboy]

Sorry, flameboy and no dis to Jeff(who has missed quite a few moves as of late) but regardless, if you saw Survivor Series you might have seen Jeff break laws of physics. Wait. No...you didn't...LOL!

Nope, I dun get WWE programmes over here in my country and I have to purchase PPV DVDs. It's kinda slow how the main local WWE DVD distributor is working cos' only Summerslam's out. Dun forget that WWE fans come from all around the world, and a good number of them dun have the privilege of catching the event live on-air.

Besides, I've not been catching any WWE programme for the past 4 years, though I updated myself with the latest happenings on the Internet. Can't resist the wrestling fan in me all these while haha. So, my opinion is largely based on my past experience. I think u misunderstood my words, thinking I'm a huge Jeff mark, but no, I'm juz stating facts that he entertained me. Period.

Probably, it's due to our involvement in online speculation that dampens our interest in WWE programming as well. Jericho's return wasn't a big deal to us. (Though I must admit I'm a huge Jericho mark, and seeing his video clip of his return on the WWE website gave me goosebumps. I can't wait to buy that RAW DVD when it's out!) We can spot a blotch move, even if it's the most insignificant one. We know about ring chemistry, feuds and storylines and backstage politics. I used to enjoy the product so much more when I was a plain mark. Ignorance CAN be bliss.

Oh wait... U got banned. That soon? What a pity...

 

[Batistabomb10]

JadeShocker is correct. No way that TNA beats the WWE, at least not anytime soon, and unfortunately, Vince knows that. He is indeed becoming complacent, but there is not a damn thing us fans can do about it. The only hope we have is that the returning Chris Jericho can bring some freshness back to a stale product. Hopefully some of the Creative Team can pull a great storyline out of their minds soon. If not, the WWE will continue to lose ratings, fans, and money. I have news for Vince McMahon, and its not good: Your product sucks. You need to revamp your system. Take back control of YOUR company. Start sitting in on Creative Meetings. Mandate the storylines. Direct your staff to write like they wrote back in the 90's, when wrestling was GOOD!!!

The shows you are producing now aren't the ones your grandfather put on the television. Vince, please... Relight the fire which has been smoldering for the last five years!

 

[X]

What war?

I mean seriously, whose even close to taking over the #1 promotion moniker from WWE at this point. Answer- Is it TNA? Pleeeeeeeeeasssssssssssse! How about ROH? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight(doing Dr. Evil). The answer is no one. WWE at this juncture is in a league of their own. That doesn' mean their in good or great shape,b/c the fact is they have a lot to be concerned about right now. However WWE is in much better shape than they were in the mid-90's when WCW overcame them to be the #1 promotion in North America, and when they were close to bankruptcy.

TNA on the other hand has made good progress in 5 years, going form weekly ppv, to primetime, all the way to 2-hours. However there ratings and buyrates haven't gone up much in all of this. That is a bad sign if your TNA. In wrestling you get most of your money from buyrates and advertisement dollars(which is based off of ratings). B/C of that WWE is killing TNA in the revenue department(based off PPV and TV dollars earned), which is why I don't believe there's a war going on...right now at least.

If TNA continues to improve, and WWE continues to put their head in the sand then in the next few years I could see TNA overcome WWE and become the #1 promotion!

Do I SERIOUSLY need to CONTINUE to tell people that this thread is about the CREATIVE PRODUCT of both companies? Not who's Number 1 in money and popularity and TV, who has the better WRESTLING show, in your own opinion.

So the next time I see someone say "WHAT WAR?! UR STUPID CUZ TNA DONT EVEN AFFEKT WWE!" I am just gonna flip out.

Thank you, and for god's sake, read the first post in a thread before replying to it.

 

[chesswiz77]

The deal is that neither company is hitting a home run creatively. My bringing up the money,ratings, and buyrates was to show that despite the fact we've seen a lot of the same with WWE, TNA has yet to demonstrate that they are indeed an alternative. For pete sake, the whole Sting/Abyss feud was another rehash of Taker/Kane,and the whole Roode/Young feud went on and on and on. TNA does indeed have a better talent pool, but their creative team is on the same level as WWE. And b/c of that guys like Styles,Daniels, Joe aren't seen in the same light as HHH,HBK or The UnderTaker. As long as WWE has the bigger names, and as long as TNA doesn't fix their creative problems, the longer WWE reigns supreme over TNA.

 

[BBM128]

Am I really expected to believe that the problems with the WWE's product will be fixed because of Chris Jericho coming back? Don't get me wrong, I remember him in WCW and I watched his matches with Christian on YouTube and as a performer, I'm very impressed with him and on the mic he's pretty much golden. But what matters is how he is used.

See the idea that "x event will fix everything" doesn't fly. Yes, it was great to see Edge win the title. Edge is great. But did that fix everything else? No. Yes, it's great to see DX on TV but that one night deal isn't gonna fix squat. Austin being brought in for a night is awesome too (and the beer truck thing was awesome-in-a-can). Oh Cena being injured and off the scene was supposed to fix stuff, too. Nope. The product is still lame.

The ultimate smack in the face to me was the week that SmackDown aired a match with MVP and Mysterio as the main event. Oh my god, that match could have been great. PPV mid-card quality stuff. But nope, the potentially great match ended in a stupid DQ. Why is Finlay fueding with Mysterio? I must have missed something here.

Then you look at TNA. You have AJ Styles, Jay Lethal, Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin, Christian, Joe, Angle, and Abyss tearing ass in the ring with quality matches with not as many DQ finishes.

TNA's ratings are only slightly better with the two hour deal due to lack of marketting. If the name is out there and TNA is pushed as a WWE alternative with top stars with talented up and comers, people will watch, ESPECIALLY if they are veteran watchers of the current WWE product.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

but [TNA's] creative team is on the same level as WWE.

That's not true at all. If anything, TNA has the talent and the wrestlers, but their creative team is pretty much non-existent. How many blatant WWE rip-offs have you seen in TNA in the past year? I mean, if the WWE can BARELY pull it off, what makes you think TNA can pull it off with less-known wrestlers? TNA has a knack for outright copying what the WWE is doing, then bashing them in the same way the WCW did in the Attitude Era.

I've said this before and I'll say it again - TNA is doing what WCW did, except worse.

TNA's ratings are only slightly better with the two hour deal due to lack of marketting. If the name is out there and TNA is pushed as a WWE alternative with top stars with talented up and comers, people will watch, ESPECIALLY if they are veteran watchers of the current WWE product.

TNA is marketed as a WWE alternative. The problem is, however, is that TNA's main fanbase consists of people who have migrated over from WWE - and they're not used to it. I mean, yeah, they recognize old stars like Christian Cage and Booker T (and sometimes Sting) - but TNA is just a fan service. If someone who has never seen a wrestling program before turns on and catches TNA, they're not going to know what the hell it is. WWE on the other hand has media attention - John Cena is all over the news, Ric Flair is getting himself involved in politics, JBL is all over the business world - everyone more or less knows about WWE.

I'd go as far as to say that the Benoit situation sparked an interest in the WWE.

 

[BBM128]

That's not true at all. If anything, TNA has the talent and the wrestlers, but their creative team is pretty much non-existent. How many blatant WWE rip-offs have you seen in TNA in the past year? I mean, if the WWE can BARELY pull it off, what makes you think TNA can pull it off with less-known wrestlers? TNA has a knack for outright copying what the WWE is doing, then bashing them in the same way the WCW did in the Attitude Era.

I've said this before and I'll say it again - TNA is doing what WCW did, except worse.



TNA is marketed as a WWE alternative. The problem is, however, is that TNA's main fanbase consists of people who have migrated over from WWE - and they're not used to it. I mean, yeah, they recognize old stars like Christian Cage and Booker T (and sometimes Sting) - but TNA is just a fan service. If someone who has never seen a wrestling program before turns on and catches TNA, they're not going to know what the hell it is. WWE on the other hand has media attention - John Cena is all over the news, Ric Flair is getting himself involved in politics, JBL is all over the business world - everyone more or less knows about WWE.

I'd go as far as to say that the Benoit situation sparked an interest in the WWE.

Ahh, allow me to clarify. Market themselves more. That better? TNA doesn't do it enough as is and I do think they are the superior wrestling show. The first two or three two-hour shows didn't drop my jaw, but I was still quite a satisfied viewer. Do an ad that showcases the guys that are big names that are on top of the industry... Guys like Kurt Angle, Booker T, and Christian. Then focus another part of the ad on the less well known guys like Chris Sabin, Somoa Joe, and AJ Styles as each of them may not have the name, but each of them are upcoming talents who are amazing in the ring.

What they could do in the ad is show off a watered down wrestling match with just punches and kicks (kind of a stab at the WWE) then cut to their high fliers and top stars.

I dunno, but TNA has the more talented roster, in my opinion. Guys like Christian, AJ, Joe, and especially Abyss. Abyss busts his ass in the ring and takes all kinds of bumps that are certainly VERY painful (mainly thumbtacks and broken glass).