Wrestlemania or Bound for Glory

[WrestlingDude]

Last year, I have watched both WWE's WM24 and TNA's BFG and I really liked them both. But I would ask you, would you rather see WWEs or TNAs flagship ppv. In my opinion Wrestlemania may get more buyrates then Bound for Glory but BFG has cooler matches. In WM24, they only specialty matches they had was a belfast brawl and MITB. BFG had a tables match, gauntlet for the gold battle royal, monsters ball and ultimate x.

 

[Shocky]

So what you're saying is the landmark pay per view in the history of the industry is inferior to a glorified bingo hall's gimmick filled crapfest flagship pay per view?

Bound for Glory is crap, and TNA is crap. I have my problems with the WWE, but Wrestlemania 24 was a far superior show in every way shape and form. You know why Wrestlemania didn't need gimmick matches, because it's wrestle freaking matches. Gimmick matches are lame crutches for shit matches and bad wrestlers. Good wrestlers can steal the show without hiding behind a crap gimmick match.

TNA will always be inferior with their pay per views, because when their "Wrestlemania" consist of the same gimmick matches the WWE puts on One Night Stand, it says a lot.

 

[Talon_DR]

Are you serious?

Did you honestly say that the wrestling is better in the WWE as opposed to TNA at Bound For Glory? WWE doesn't have a bunch of gimmick matches at Wrestlemania but sometimes I think they need to because if I see another 10 minute headlock session between Batista and Triple H, I am gonna puke.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Wooooooooow.

TNA sucks ball sack. firstly. Gimmick matches are generally used to cover up a wrestlers deficiencies. And as said, the TNA's best show is roughly the same concept as one of WWE's generally WORST shows. WM 24 was one of the greatest wrestling shows of all times. This thread really isnt fun to post in. Its like who would win out of a squirrel and a hand grenade. Absolutely absurd.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

NorCal's right. This thread is abo****ely no fun to post in. Hands down Wrestlemania is better than Bound For Glory. The only thing that is good about Bound for Glory is that Sting Won the Title The past two years at it. Whereas Wrestlemania has so many memorable moments. I can only tink of one time where Wrestlemania wasnt worth buying. Even then it was better than anything Bound For Glory has done.

 

[Shocky]

Are you serious?

Did you honestly say that the wrestling is better in the WWE as opposed to TNA at Bound For Glory? WWE doesn't have a bunch of gimmick matches at Wrestlemania but sometimes I think they need to because if I see another 10 minute headlock session between Batista and Triple H, I am gonna puke.

Serious as a heart attack. TNA is inferior, in every single way possible. Let me guess, happy that Average Joe is champion. I despise Triple H as much as the next guy, I loathe Batista, but I rather watch those two wrestle then Average Joe vs. 2008 Scott Steiner.

Seriously, you're going to defend a company that had Frankie Kazarian in the main event of a pay per view, the guy that couldn't main event Velocity is now main eventing TNA's pay per views.

Gimmick matches hide deficiencies in every way shape or form. That is why TNA is loaded with gimmick matches at their pay per views. It's like the kid that bangs pots and pans or shoots fireworks, they are trying to draw attention to themselves because they are probably to idiotic to come up with something worth while without all of the distractions.

 

[HellBoundPower]

This isn't even a contest. Wrestlemania is the most prestigious show in the history of Professional Wrestling. It's been the best show of the year for 24 years. No other Pay-Per-View can touch it. Even WCW's Starcade, when WCW was beating WWF in the ratings, couldn't compare to Wrestlemania. TNA has a long way to go before any of their shows compare to a WWE PPV, much less Wrestlemania.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

-.-
... if thats wat u all think then fine

Spam Much??

There Really is no Comparison. Wrestlemania is leaps and bounds better than bound for glory. Hell Wrestlemania was better than Starcade even when WCW was kicking WWE's ass in the ratings. Add in the fact that I would rather watch wrestlemania over any TNA PPV and you have your verdict.

 

[buddy_z34]

are you serious......as stated by other posters, if i want to watch tables ladders and chairs i will tune into ECW's One Night Stand. WM 24 was a big success.

TNA might have better wrestling but as we all know getting below a 1.0 ratings is pathetic. when the knockouts get more ratings than the final segment something is wrong there.

TNA's gimmick matches are whats killing it.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

WrestlingDude/Talon...did either of you recently change your names from Marty2Hotty? or gginferno?


This is the most obvious poll ever. I guess you could prefer BFG over Wrestlemania, but then, you also must prefer crappy entertainment. Mania 24 was amazing. The venue, the wrestling itself, the pyros....best atmosphere in the history of wrestling. Now, you are trying to compare Bound for Glory to Wrestlemania? Really?

Wrestlemania 24: Florida Citrus Bowl - 74,635 attendance.

Bound for Glory 2007: Gwinnett Center, Duluth, GA - 4,000 attendance.

74,635.........4,000.

I have no idea how this can even be comparable. Heck, Raw has been in the Gwinnett Center, and I guarantee they drew more than 4,000.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

The pathetic thing is, to start off, you can not compare T.N.A.'s Bound For Glory, to the W.W.E.'s Wrestlemania. You can't compare B.F.G. to No Way Out, sadly, but I'm about to break out some cards for you.

1. 2005: Bound For Glory: This was their debut 'Mania-like' p.p.v. And it was headlined with an Ultimate X match, a 30 minute Iron Man classic, a Monster's Ball (hardcore) match, a #1. contender's 10 man gauntlet match and the finale with Jeff Jarrett dropping the Championship to Rhino, who truly showcased the entire night.

Now, with that said.. we flip to W.W.E.'s Mania of 2005.

2. Wrestlemania 21: You have, the first-ever MITB match, H.B.K. v. Kurt Angle, Undertaker v. Randy Orton, and the two Heavyweight Championships with Cena v. J.B.L. and Batista v. H.H.H.

Now, when comparing the debut B.F.G. to Mania of the same year.. you're basically saying, Rhino out-shined the likes of Angle, Shawn Michaels, Taker, Orton, Edge, Cena & Triple H.

Sorry, that just isn't going to hold weight in this neck of the woods. However, lets jump ahead a year, to see if the tables turned...

3. Bound For Glory 2006: The card was carried by.. Open Invite X-Division Battle Royal, a very good 4-way Tag Team contest, Monster's Ball, (w/ Samoa Plain) Eric Young v. Larry Zbyzko?!, an Eight Mile Street Fight, a Six Sides of Steel Tag Team match, and Sting's career on the line against Jarrett's title, with Angle as an Enforcer.

4. Wrestlemania 22: On this side, you have.. piss poor MITB, horrible Tag Team opener, The Boogeyman making the card, a GREAT Hardcore match w/ Edge v. Foley, Taker without a threatening opponent, H.B.K. v. McMahon, Mysterio claiming glory and Cena defying the odds. (just to name the highlights)

So in comparing the second round.. I have to say, T.N.A. wins slightly, but not enough to compare to the first round domination that W.W.E. laid down.

Whenever the Boogeyman or Zbyzko is on your card.. you need to rethink what the point of that match was to begin with. However, T.N.A.'s Tag division match against W.W.E.'s Kane/Show v. Carlito/Masters was just unchallengable. Meanwhile, while Jarrett isn't even in the same league as Cena, or H.H.H.. Sting is.. and Angle is.. which beat out the lack-luster ending to a bad WM.

Meanwhile, the Edge/Foley hardcore match carried Mania.. however the Christian/Rhino Street Fight was definately hot on their trail.

So in conclusion.. without going to the final year of 2007.. in which the only thing I'll say to quickly give W.W.E. the victory is.. Adam "Pacman" Jones.. the point is, T.N.A. is a struggling secondary company and does not, will not and can not (especially right now) hold a candle to the biggest wrestling Pay Per View of the year, in Wrestlemania.

B.F.G. MIGHT begin beating out secondary p.p.v.'s like Backlash, Judgment Day, even give Summerslam a run for its money.. but it just can't right now compete with Mania.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

B.F.G. MIGHT begin beating out secondary p.p.v.'s like Backlash, Judgment Day, even give Summerslam a run for its money.. but it just can't right now compete with Mania.

Will, there is no freaking way that this is even plausible in the near OR distant future. Based on the figures provided in my former post, you'll see that Wrestlemania out-attended BFG by 70,000 people. 70,000 PEOPLE.

I know, it's Wrestlemania. But 70,000 people is a huge deal, and it shows how far ahead WWE is over TNA.

Lockdown 2008 has been TNA's most attended event to date, scoring 5,500 butts in seats. In 2007, Unforgiven in Memphis, Tennessee was the least attended WWE PPV event, scoring a mere 10,128 butts in seats. Let's put that in perspective:

TNA's HIGHEST ATTENDANCE EVER was still almost half the gross attendance of WWE's lowest PPV attendance OF THE YEAR.

TNA needs to crap out an nWo in order to compete.

 

[trev55]

Wrestlemania hands down. I have been going to Wrestlemania ever since Mania 14 and I have witnessed some amazing moments and matches. I think TNA would be great if they got rid of gimmick wrestlers and matches. I think they have amazing wrestlers and their world champion Samoa Joe is the best wrestler in the business and for the record. Triple H is my favorite, in other words I'm giving props. But if BFG ever wants to beat Mania they need to focus on serious wrestling.

 

[MrMars]

Fact of the matter is that Wrestlemania changed shit. BFG is just following in Mania's footsteps, and it's never going to compare.

TNA needs to stop trying to bring the same product to the market at WWE does, and start focusing on their strengths and what sets them apart rather than hiding their weaknesses behind stupid thumbtack spots and WWE castoffs. Whether you like them or not, guys on their roster like Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Alex Shelly, Jay Lethal, and AJ Styles have the ability to put out amazing matches that are DIFFERENT than WWE's great matches. They have shown that they can wrestle a different style than WWE's style, so why arent they?

BFG is never going to be comparable to Mania as far as buyrates, butts in seats, or prestige. Ever. No pay per view will. But that's not necessarily a condemnation of TNA, because no wrestling pay per view is going to hold up against that comparison in the eyes of north American fans. Fact is that TNA(despite their ******ed name which I think is a big part of what's holding them back in the ratings - what casual fan is going to see TNA listed and think that it sounds like can't miss programming? Anyway..) will have to stop trying to be WWE Jr. before anything changes for them.

 

[rockofhysteria]

Myself having been a fan since i was four years old I have seen every wrestlemania and I have seen only two bound for glory ppvs and I gotta say I prefer bound for glory In my opinion Wrestlemania has lost its glory over the last several years Its become too predictable ever since wrestlemania 20 (to me that was the last good wrestlemania with the exeption of Brock and Goldberg) there is at least two to three matches every year at a wrestlemania where me and my friends can predict exactly how a match is gonna go hold for hold WWE has become way too predictable and unfortunately that effects Wrestlemania's also at least Bound For Glory tries to be different they dont always succeed with it asside from the fact that Sting has won the title at Bound For Glory two years in a row. Bound for glory is always different at mania the wrestlers they showcase in their main event are guys who actually deserve to be there guys like AJ Styles, Jeff Jarrett, Samoa Joe, Sting, plus they also bring along new young talent at their ppv's wwe doesn't do that at wrestlemania they rely on the same five guys every year, To me the only thing redeeming about Wrestlemania every year is the Hall of Fame if it wasn't the fact that they package the Hall Of Fame in the Wrestlemania dvds now I wouldn't have bought 21 through 24. Bound for glory and TNA in general has made me actually care about ppvs again and Those are my reasons I prefer Bound For Glory to Wrestlemania

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

This is perhaps the most easiest question ever. WrestleMania is lightyears ahead of Bound For Glory, there is no denying it. WrestleMania has been around for 24 years, Bound For Glory has been around for only three, so there really isn't a fair comparison between the two. When your best PPV of the year has Rhino vs Jeff Jarrett as the Main Event, you know it is nowhere near WrestleMania's standards.

WrestleMania's tradition is to give young hopeful superstars the chance to be a big name in the WWE, some years they give veterans another shot at being on top(Taker, Triple H, Shawn Michaels), but overall it is about the future of the business. What were Bound For Glory's Main Events? 2005-Rhino vs Jarrett, where Rhino wins the World title, but loses it days after, what a waste. 2006-Sting vs Jarrett, where Sting wins the World title, who is nearly 50 years old, his title reign days should be over. 2007-Sting vs Angle, where Sting wins the World title once again, and loses it a couple of days later, what a waste(Deja Vu?).

In 5-10 years time, we will know if Bound For Glory can become WrestleMania's equal(if TNA can survive that long), but for now this question shouldn't even be asked.

 

[Kfabe]

So what you're saying is the landmark pay per view in the history of the industry is inferior to a glorified bingo hall's gimmick filled crapfest flagship pay per view?

That is EXACTLY the reason why most fans only choose WWE... because you are swayed by the pretty lights and flash sets.

Personally, as a ""WRESTLING fan, I prefer to watch whichever show has the best "WRESTLING."

If TNA had the big sets and the money to travel etc, they would be hailed as the best promotion in the world. They do have the best wrestlers and best matches in America after all.

I choose Bound For Glory for the simple reason; it showcases the best wrestling. When I want glitz and glamour, fancy lighting and 60% of the program to be interviews, Ill tune into the Oscars... or maybe even WWE...

 

[CrazyYugo13]

Hogan slamming Andre, Taker's undefeated streak, Ric Flair's final match, the celebrities, the matches, the fireworks, the sounds, the atmosphere, as well as attendance record after attendance record in major sport venues. Stone Cold, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, The Undertaker, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, Andre the Giant, Roddy Piper, Mr. Perfect, Eddie Guerrero, Randy Savage, the biggest names of all time. Savage vs, Steamboat, Hogan vs the Ultimate Warrior, Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels, Ironman Match Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels, Hart vs Austin, Rock vs Austin, Rock vs Hogan, Benoit vs HHH vs Michaels, Angle vs HBK, Taker vs Batista, Flair vs Michaels, the biggest matches of their respective times. Madison Square Garden, Pontiac Silverdome, Toronto Skydome, Astro Dome, Safeco Field, Staples Center, Ford Field, as well as the Citrus Bowl. Enough said?

 

[THE Madcap]

hahahaha this threas has got to be a joke right? People spend thousands of dollars and travel thousands of miles from all over the globe for wrestlemania.. I didn't even know Bound For Glory was TNA's flagship show and I've been watching TNA for 2 years!!! Don't get me wrong, I love TNA for the wrestling, guys like MCMG, LAX, AJ Styles, Kurt Angle etc are a rarity and a delight to watch, and I spent a long ass time trying to get in to a TNA taping only to be refused, but Wrestlemania is never going to be threatened by BFG. They could split Wrestlemania into 5 different venues in the same city, with 2 matches on each card and still sell out all 5 arenas

 

[LegendarySayin]

lax vs xxx- ultimate x match bfg 2007 pissed on every wwe match let alone wrestlemania. its a must watch. when you are gonna have someone crap like cena in the main event at wrestlemania, you know it will be a failiure. bfg is just so electric and live, while all the people in wrestlemania are so misreble. 6000 of tna fans are much more rowdy than 80000 wwe fans. FACT.

 

[THE Madcap]

lax vs xxx- ultimate x match bfg 2007 pissed on every wwe match let alone wrestlemania. its a must watch. when you are gonna have someone crap like cena in the main event at wrestlemania, you know it will be a failiure. bfg is just so electric and live, while all the people in wrestlemania are so misreble. 6000 of tna fans are much more rowdy than 80000 wwe fans. FACT.

Ending a sentence with the word fact doesn't make it so...

I've been to two wrestlemanias and I can guarantee that there wasn't a miserable face in the crowd. TNA fans are probably more rowdy than WWE fans because the average TNA fan tends to be male 20-20 years old. WWE fans transcend gender and age. I mean, ECW fans were rowdier than WWE fans, doesn't mean that Wrestlepalooza > Wrestlemania does it...

The 2 wrestlemania main events that Cena were in (22 and 24) were awesome in terms of atmosphere, the fans were so polarized and vocal. Being at that crowd for wm22 was a "shiver down the spine" moment for me.

I'm not for any minute bashing TNA in this post by the way, I feel in a few years to come they'll bring something to the table, they're just not doing it yet IMO.

 

[Shocky]

That is EXACTLY the reason why most fans only choose WWE... because you are swayed by the pretty lights and flash sets.

Personally, as a ""WRESTLING fan, I prefer to watch whichever show has the best "WRESTLING."

If TNA had the big sets and the money to travel etc, they would be hailed as the best promotion in the world. They do have the best wrestlers and best matches in America after all.

I choose Bound For Glory for the simple reason; it showcases the best wrestling. When I want glitz and glamour, fancy lighting and 60% of the program to be interviews, Ill tune into the Oscars... or maybe even WWE...

You honestly believe that TNA has better wrestling then the WWE. On what level is that even plausable? TNA has in the last two years done everything it possibly could do to disassociate itself from being a wrestling promotion as much as possible.

You bash the WWE for it's lighting and pyro and over glorified sets and crap, but then praise TNA's wrestling. You do realize that every match is glorified and gimmicked to hell and back right?

Personally, I don't mind watching all that stuff, as long as the action int he ring is worth a damn. The WWE isn't great, but it's still better then TNA. TNA hides itself behind shit gimmicks all the time, which Bound For Glory does a pretty good job of exploiting those matches.

 

[Fuzzy]

Apparently my original post wasn't long enough so lets try this again.

I think its a very unfair question to ask. Everyone looks at TNA and WWE as coke and pepsi. The original coke and pepsi was WWE and WCW. Even then, it took awhile and tremendous amounts of backing, plus a very good storyline to get WCW up to the level of WWE. Right now, comparing TNA to WWE at any level... There isn't a good case to make. I would say WWE is right now Coke AND pepsi while TNA is pretty much still a fledgling company still looking for an identity. Wrestlemania has 24 years of experience of making it better, bigger, and brighter. They have top notch celebs, far stronger productions, and far more star power than TNA. Its not fair to compare TNA to WWE on any level right now.

I think a better question to ask is: which is better: Wrestlemania 1 or the first bound for glory in 2005?

 

[Kfabe]

You honestly believe that TNA has better wrestling then the WWE. On what level is that even plausable?

ROLMFAO!!! How can you even begin to question TNA's wrestling against WWE's? Even the common Smark (i.e. WWE fan) who commonly hate TNA would have to admit to it's dominance when it comes to actual matches. You know, I don't need to even go into this part anymore because it's just plain stupid lol.

You bash the WWE for it's lighting and pyro and over glorified sets and crap, but then praise TNA's wrestling. You do realize that every match is glorified and gimmicked to hell and back right?

The thing is, every single conceivable storyline for wrestling has already been done through the years. There is no longer anything "realistic" you can do that doesn't resemble a story from another promotion in the past. So what do you do? Your damned as ripoffs if you re-use a storyline, your dammned as treating your fans like morons if you try and do a more hollywood like story thats not been done. So TNA should really be praised for trying to give us something different. I'm personally not interested in storylines, and I think the gimmick matches are a little overdone too, yet they are at least trying to give their fans something different every week compared to WWE. Maybe TNA should cut out the gimmicks and instead start hiring brothers and sisters to get off with one another on the show? That would be really entertaining eh...

The WWE isn't great, but it's still better then TNA. TNA hides itself behind shit gimmicks all the time, which Bound For Glory does a pretty good job of exploiting those matches.

I can dispute that with one of you own quotes lol:

Personally, I don't mind watching all that stuff, as long as the action int he ring is worth a damn.

I rest my case

 

[TheOneBigWill]

ROLMFAO!!! How can you even begin to question TNA's wrestling against WWE's? Even the common Smark (i.e. WWE fan) who commonly hate TNA would have to admit to it's dominance when it comes to actual matches. You know, I don't need to even go into this part anymore because it's just plain stupid lol.

I love how you claim a smark is only a W.W.E. fan. Hypocrite. Furthermore, its nice to see that you feel you don't need to go into this 'part' of the discussion anymore because you admit to your claims of T.N.A. having far superior wrestling, to be just plain stupid. I completely agree.

However, if you wish to debate it.. lets take a look. Edge v. Undertaker, no gimmick needed for going on 3 straight Pay Per View matches and its still selling to more people than Joe v. Angle. (which I might add, was their biggest "wrestling" match-up and they drove it into the ground 3 matches in)

The thing is, every single conceivable storyline for wrestling has already been done through the years. There is no longer anything "realistic" you can do that doesn't resemble a story from another promotion in the past. So what do you do? Your damned as ripoffs if you re-use a storyline, your dammned as treating your fans like morons if you try and do a more hollywood like story thats not been done. So TNA should really be praised for trying to give us something different.

So they should be praised for giving us the same thing with a new name? Yeah, because while the W.W.E. understands its fans aren't complete morons.. apparently T.N.A. feels its fans are completely stupid enough to think a Street Fight renamed 20 different times can still sell more and more with each new name.

Let me tell you something. If you polish a turd, its still a turd.

I'm personally not interested in storylines, and I think the gimmick matches are a little overdone too

I can see why you like T.N.A. with the first thing you said. And you contradict yourself with the second.

Before you even ask. I say you contradict yourself because first you praise T.N.A. for giving us gimmick after gimmick, then even you say they're overdone.

yet they are at least trying to give their fans something different every week compared to WWE. Maybe TNA should cut out the gimmicks and instead start hiring brothers and sisters to get off with one another on the show? That would be really entertaining eh...

By giving us the exact same gimmicks, repackaged with a different name, every week? Do you even watch T.N.A., weekly?

I rest my case

I would completely hope you would. Because you're making yourself look like a fool with these outlandish claims.

Look, I love T.N.A., I'm a fan of it.. but you're arguing about T.N.A. having far superior wrestling, to the W.W.E. in a thread asking which Pay Per View is better. Bound For Glory, or Wrestlemania. Whats next on your list of things to do?

Perhaps you'd like to create a thread in the T.N.A. section, asking people who they'd prefer.. Sharkboy or Steve Austin. Lets see how great T.N.A. wins that war.