Wrestlemania 27- The Night the Undertaker character has died

[Taker123]

Hi

Just of the back of WM 27, does anyone else agree that the Undertaker character has been weakened?

The match was the best on the card, delivered impeccably (when compared to the other matches), but with out a doubt definitely not the best that those two could have done.

However even though the streak is intact, and that very important..and excellent! tbh I thought if it was ever going to end it would have been last night. But, the way in which the Taker was made to look weak, disheveled, broken..and WWE.com said, and I quote, "As Triple H defiantly walked back up the entrance ramp, Undertaker attempted to stand, but collapsed in a heap on the arena floor. It was a shocking sight. Not only did it remind the WWE Universe that The Deadman is most certainly a mortal, but it made it clear that “The Streak” was nearly ended on this remarkable night"...

the UT is supposed to be immortal? Should he not have been given the change to celebrate his victory and walk out victorious? Did the WWE, make him look like the overall loser, and quite lucky to win?

And if so why? And if you don't think so, well what was WWEs plan in portraying it in such a way? And finally why was he attended to by emts, and wheeled out..and not the druids carry him out/put into a casket..would it not have fitted the character better?

Just a few thoughts and questions to pose to the IWC..

 

[Yesiamaduck]

I think they're trying to plant doubt into peoples mind for the next Wrestlemania match *already* but hasn't Taker been significantly weaker for some time now? I mean the whole Taker Vs Kane angle made taker look very defeatable

 

[#hamler]

You bring up a good point. But I believe overall, the WWE wanted to do this to make it seem impossible to beat The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. No matter how close you come, it's not going to happen. The last couple of years, Shawn Michaels came close. This year, Triple H came that much closer. Next year, whoever faces The Undertaker may come even closer. Undertaker is becoming weaker and weaker each Wrestlemania and maybe next year the WWE might play off of him being weak a bit. The WWE has been making him seem a bit humanized as of late and I think it's a great way for Undertaker to go out in a year or two.

 

[rangers617]

I think it did make taker look weak that he collapsed.Plus it made hhh look like a superman compared to taker that he walked out and taker couldnt at first

 

[Decarow]

I honestly didn't know if he was legit hurt or not. I had my doubts, but he looked pretty concussed at some points. Especially when he fell out of the ring and Triple H started looking legit concerned and his backstage politician started kicking in. But McCool looked pretty cool during her match right afterwards so it was probably a work.

Maybe this is just him retiring. Or just a reason to have him out for the next few months like he's been doing the past few years after Mania.

 

[Heartachetonight926]

RANDOM NOTE- I love tacos.


To be honest with you, I think this is a good thing.

They are stearing Undertaker away from the "Supernatural, Deadman" gimmick, and turning him into more of a cowboy/Outlaw type of character. It's hard to sell a "Zombie" type of character to this generation of WWE fan's, making him more human is the right thing to do at this point. He's Still the Undertaker, but he's not "Indestructible"

I like it like That.


Yeeeeah, brutha.

 

[TCBT]

I think what they did at WM27 was the smartest thing they've done with Taker since they resurrected the Deadman character.

Taker's streak is still alive. That's great. No one should take that from him, especially not another wrestler about ready to call it quits in the ring. At the same time, they made Taker look very human. What used to be a for-sure thing at every WM - Taker winning - is now questionable at best.

Taker will probably retire without losing at a WM, but they did a hell of a job setting up a whole lot of doubt for the next few years.

The match was as solid as they come. No high-flying. Definitely not a quick paced match. Just two Superstars telling a story in the ring. They had me extremely emotionally invested, even moreso than the two HBK matches. I thought this was it for The Undertaker. Great match, and certainly better than anything else in this year's mediocre WrestleMania.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

Not to mention i know this should be a different thread but Undertaker's streak to me is a bit ridiculous.Nobody would ever have kicked out of that many pedigree's, at least 10 chair shots and a tombstone.Plus going through the table and Michael Cole' stupid booth.

Thats the beauty of the match. It was made to show that its going to take a lot more that all of that to put down Undertaker. WM is where EVERY wrestler comes alive for one night in the sense that they will not quit. Taker showed that last night. EVERYONE wants to win at WM.

but he never faced Hogan in his prime,the rock,austin,angle,y2j,cena.It's a cool thing to have every wrestlemania but i think its a bit blown up.

He has faced all of those guys seperately...just not at WM. He had a HUGE program with Austin back in the late 90's leading into a match at Summerslam (I believe).

 

[daddyJ_t]

i ave t disagree with the previous poster. ut has beat hogan in his prime. granted it was after wm 7 and not wm 1-3 prime but he has at survivor series and for the title i might add. as for the taker at wm 27. the man is in his 40s and went a solid 30 minuites no holds barred with hhh who may still be in his prime and beat him. you try taking a few chairs shots right at the bell and see how long u would last right after that, let alone do a half hour solid match. yea he "broke character" by colapsing, but damn, he is a normal man portraying a character, give him some credit. of course he was gonna be winded and having trouble standing. jus saying it didnt make him look weak, it made him look in my opinion even better cause it was more believable as a person and not some kinda actuall unstoppable zombie deadman. kudos for another great match undertaker.

 

[[cL]]

You know, I think the idea of having the druids come out and place him into a tomb of some sort would have been a great end to the streak. I mean, the streak stays in tact, but it puts him in the position to not come back next year if he doesnt want to. I mean, if he decided to come back next year that would just be another UT reemergence, but no one would be upset at seeing him not come back had they played it better with him going out this time. It was an epic match with an epic ending. From the wrestling to the announce team to the intro's...(though i was a little dissapointed with Takers intro...i was looking for something a little more elaborate i guess..) but yeah everything was great. I just would have liked to see him kinda go out a little more dramatically.

 

[TheKingHustla]

I recall hearing HBK say that the undertaker is hanging on by a string or something to that nature. i think that its a way to show taker's refusal to lose at wrestlemania at any cost, but more importantly, give him a way to heal his body during this time. maybe he retires? But most likely, they're giving him a chance to rest up. he won't compete that much this year that way his body will be decent enough to put on a hell of a show one more time at mania. I just hate how they hate triple H straight bitching taker. he was taming the dead man. destroying him... and then he taps out? i just thought it could have ended better.

 

[KingFenix]

At times it looked like he was really hurt, the head shot with the chair looked brutal and the tombstone wasn't very safe looking. Taker may take some time off to fully heal because I think he came into Mania without being 100%. Next year I see WWE working a mortal Undertaker angle but at Mania he becomes that immortal person we all love to see. They made him look weak on purpose but he still came off strong with his resiliency to not lose at Mania, look at when he kicked out that tombstone, you believed Triple H was in the ring with a monster

 

[lenguy]

I honestly thought that HHH broke Taker like literally Broke the man in half. The way the match was book it was made to seem that Taker just escaped with his streak intact with the hair on skin. He came so close to being defeated for a couple years now. I think there trying to pull it off that Undertaker "time"has come and with so many years under his belt their making it seem like its getting harder and harder for Undertaker to get in that ring, compete at the same level he use to and still manage to get out in one piece. The last 3 years, Taker has just managed to escape with his streak. While HHH didn't end the streak I do believe he accomplished something, he broke the man. He took him to his absolute limits and just by watching the conclusion and after match it looks as though Undertaker or even the Character of the Undertaken has been broken.

 

[JJ15776]

I honestly didn't know if he was legit hurt or not. I had my doubts, but he looked pretty concussed at some points. Especially when he fell out of the ring and Triple H started looking legit concerned and his backstage politician started kicking in. But McCool looked pretty cool during her match right afterwards so it was probably a work.

???

"His backstage politician started kicking"???? WTF does that even mean??? If you're trying to suggest that Triple H was legit concerned and stopped himself from checking on Taker because he's a "backstage" politician, that makes no fucking sense whatsoever and might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. If you're trying to suggest...honestly, I have no idea what else that could mean. So let's just roll with it being the dumbest thing ever posted on here and move on. Unless Taker's pulse stopped when he got backstage and he had to be rushed to the hospital, I have no idea WTF McCool looking cool during her match would tell you. You really think she's going to visibly look concerned for a character she has no on screen relationship with? Seriously, come on. Think before you post, people.

First of all, it was clearly a work. If it wasn't, they wouldn't have showed it. They would've gone to the announcers or the video package for the next match and the show would've gone on while Triple H went backstage and the officials helped Taker to the back. As tight as they are for time on a show like that, they're not going to hold up the show for 5 minutes for something like that unless they have to.

Now, as for the character dying, Undertaker has looked weak and vulnerable and nearly been beaten, in fact he has been beaten, several times in the past. This is just another step in that direction. Especially when it comes to his Wrestlemania streak, which comes just a little bit closer to ending every year. Orton came close, (after Mark Henry) Batista came a little closer, Edge had his classic match, everybody knows how close HBK was the last two years...and this year, Triple H did everything he could, dominating the match at the end, and Undertaker caught him with a submission. This simultaneously made him look beatable, which will help the build for next year's match, and also made him look very strong to withstand everything he did and still find a way to win. It's genius booking.

 

[1ben1]

I have to say that IMO the undertaker struggling to regain his composure after the match, did suggest to me that they might be weakening his character. However he (undertaker) took a serious amount of punishment. More than in his match with hbk, and more than enough to pin any other superstar.

This suggests to me that he has to look "weaker" purely because at next years WM he probably wont be wrestling someone as high profile as the showstopper or the game (unless its cena) so to make an up and coming star such as barret look like they realistically can beat the deadman, they have to make the character look beatable or in this case vulnerable otherwise how will people believe that someone with less stature can win when so many legends have failed?

 

[ctln4rko]

I was on my feet the whole match. My jaw hit the floor at how much punishment 'Taker absorbed. Chairshots to the back, head, three pedigrees, spinebuster through announce table, botched outside dive. Just the story of the match was so clear, even to me, a 13year old. No, the Taker's not weakened gimmick wise. This showed how strong and powerful he is. If he is hurt, legit, there IS a grave that can hold his body down.

 

[sTyLnK]

The WWE decided to go a different route with the no holds barred and have Taker beaten down like crazy. It was the only way to make it somewhat believable that the streak would end. Straight wrestling wouldn't have worked mainly because Triple H was never a good a wrestler to begin with and since HBK was one of the best it wouldn't have worked. Plus Trips is so damn slow in the ring it would have been terrible to watch. Taker is fine and he did a brilliant job.

 

[Decarow]

???"His backstage politician started kicking"???? WTF does that even mean??? If you're trying to suggest that Triple H was legit concerned and stopped himself from checking on Taker because he's a "backstage" politician, that makes no fucking sense whatsoever and might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. If you're trying to suggest...honestly, I have no idea what else that could mean. So let's just roll with it being the dumbest thing ever posted on here and move on. Unless Taker's pulse stopped when he got backstage and he had to be rushed to the hospital, I have no idea WTF McCool looking cool during her match would tell you. You really think she's going to visibly look concerned for a character she has no on screen relationship with? Seriously, come on. Think before you post, people.

Triple H is one of the biggest figures backstage. If you got severely injured on the job, would your boss not stop to assess the situation? I know HHH is not Taker's boss, but he sure as hell is in a position backstage where he would be involved in the decision making of how to handle the issue. The point is he briefly broke character on screen to see what was going on. That shows he cares, and it adds to the mysterious issue of whether or not Taker was hurt.

Also. If your spouse got extremely injured in a match right before you, would you not look concerned? She's only human. You do realized they are MARRIED, right?

Seriously, come on. Think before you post, asshole.

 

[Jeritron5000]

I think the ending was perfect and couldn't have happened any other way. Did it make Taker look weak? In my opinion, not at all. To be successful, during the match we had to be made to believe that HHH could actually end the streak, even though we all knew he couldn't. I'm sorry but you're not going to have a guy with a corner office in Stamford set to take over the company end the most "sacred" streak in the WWE. You're also not going to have the build up in this match culminate with HHH simply coming up short. We had to believe that HHH was a ridiculously serious threat here otherwise why have the 2 wrestle a 'mania match to begin with? To me, nearly pummeling Taker into oblivion seemed like the only option. I can't imagine how I would feel about the last 6 weeks of promotion otherwise.

 

[berlinbrawler]

Hi

the UT is supposed to be immortal? ... Did the WWE, make him look like the overall loser, and quite lucky to win?

And if so why? And if you don't think so, well what was WWEs plan in portraying it in such a way? And finally why was he attended to by emts, and wheeled out..and not the druids carry him out/put into a casket..would it not have fitted the character better?

Just a few thoughts and questions to pose to the IWC..

I would say this is all part of the long time plan. This already is the setup for next year's Wrestlemania. He is at 19. He needs 1 more round to reach immortality but, oooooh... will he even make it to next year?
The EMTs instead of druids were supposed to bring realism into the scene. Were it druids you'd thin the guy is fine, it's portrayal of the dying swan. With EMTs you think he's just a mortal man and his number may have been called.

But then he somehow does make it to next years WM and it wil face a big gun, currently I'm thinking Cena.
And then Taker will win that, too, and THEn the druids will come and carry his corpse into the sunset.

 

[yur_momma]

i agree that turning taker away from the supernatural aspect of his character is probably the right thing to do for two reasons: writers today are not clever enough to keep him interesting and fans today have absolutely no imagination. they want a guy with a normal name who just likes to trash talk and fight. basically todays fan wants a plain joe who looks like a ufc guy but can bring soap opera drama to the screen. no more evil clowns, no more ethnicity (lord knows how people love to throw around the word racist), etc...so yeah. just make him mark callous, take away any hint of a gimmick and fans today will like it.

the part about last nights match that i hated was taker collapsing after the match. we laughed out loud at how silly that was. HHH got choked until he passed out...but he walks away and taker just mysteriously collapses? LOL...yeah if you think hard it can be understood that adrenaline had taker going until the end of the match and it ran out so he collapsed. its still weak as hell though. and i wont even get into how taker was pinned while doing that stupid ass submission move. del rios had edge in an armbar and he reversed it into a pin...but for taker it isnt a pin even though its the same position?

 

[triple_b2k]

I thought the ending was backwards. There was the whole idea of Triple H winning or 'die trying.' He didn't win but he walked out on his own. Undertaker won the match but left like he was on his death bed.
Too me, it would have been cooler and better with Triple H walking away living up to the hype of him 'giving everything he has and failing' to defeat the Undertaker. Just my 2 cents.

And to answer that question about the Druids being there instead of the EMT's. It would have been cool but it's been done a few times before. They probably went back and forth all day on whether or not to have Triple H being carried away instead (which I still say would have been better).

 

[cubuff37]

I like the possible gimmick change. I've never like the "Deadman" gimmick. It just seems too supernatural for a sport. But with that said, let me say that this was an amazing feud even though it had llimited time. I'm kinda mad that Taker is going to use his injury as an excuse for another year off. But I am excited that Triple H walked out in good condition (well, good condition for someone that just wrestled Taker at Mania). This could mean that Trips is back and ready to surpass Flair's record.

 

[rangers617]

Your right he did beat hogan for the title at survivor series in hogans prime but it wasnt wrestlemania.im not taking anything away from the ut but for as good as his streak is there are a lot of people he didnt face at wrestlemania which to me takes away form the streak a little.nobody can say they wouldnt have loved to see taker vs angle,lesnar,hogan,y2j,foley and especially rock or austin at wrestlemania.without facing those guys especially the last two it just dosent look as impressive to me.hopefully he faces cena next year.

 

[Attitude>>>PG]

I thought that match was so emotional. It told a story about the king of kings, the game, the measuring stick, the one guy who stands above all others against the phenom, the deadman, the outlaw, the last of a dying breed. Triple H is the one guy who is ruthless enough to do whatever it takes to pull out a victory and the Undertaker is the one guy who can take any kind of punishment and pull out the victory. I like how they refer to the Undertaker as the last outlaw now instead of the deadman. Makes him more human, more vunerable.