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Will the WWE ever have a younger super star set the bar higher than Randy Orton?

Jesus, can't you people read? I said, Vince, why don't you push a pedophile next. Meaning, Vince has a habit of wanting to push inappropriate angles all the way to the top, because, well, I think Vince has some pretty dark spells and I think it comes from from a sick desire on his part to see just how far he can manipulate the public in any direction he wants. Wrestling promoters used to adhere to standards of propriety; Vince sometimes appears to be trying to remake the standards according to some warped thought processes.

I chose the term pedophile because that's an inappropriate angle that Vince hasn't used. Yet. It was a random choice, I could have just as easily used serial killer, drug dealer, or dog fighter. It was sarcasm aimed at the inappropriate and distasteful angles that Vince has attempted to push in the past. Remember the necrophiliac angle? The Mae West delivering a rubber glove scene? The proposed incest angle with Stephanie? Chuck and Billy? Was there anything at all appropriate about the whole Mark Henry and Mae West angle? Or Hot Lesbian Action? None of these are appropriate. Where does Vince's mind go when he comes up with these things - is he just projecting some weird fantasies of his own on the fans? What do these angles have to do with wrestling or even entertainment? Are these something you want your children to watch? Do you want to explain to a child why a rubber glove is coming out an old womans "belly"? Two women making out? A hot young diva causing another divas father to "die" from a heart attack due to sexual overexertion? Or why a father is staring at his own daughter's breasts from inches away with apparent fascination? COME ON VINCE; GET YOURSELF INTO THERAPY.

Listen up Vince and listen good: Some of the things you try to do are just plain offensive, and someone should be taking you out behind the woodshed and taking a switch to you for even thinking about them.

What I'm trying to get across is: Randy Orton has disgraced his country during his military service. He has failed drug tests. Evidently his backstage demeanor towards the female employees is deplorable. Why should he be pushed to the top as champion? Why does he still have a job with the company? In the real world, he would have been off the payroll a long time ago. HE IS NOT A POSITVE EXAMPLE, and if you're trying to be PG so Mommy can get elected, this is a potential time bomb.

POLITICAL CANDIDATE PUSHS DESERTER AS HER PRIME BUSINESS ENTERTAINMENT ATTRACTION. PERFORMER HAS ALSO BEEN PREVIOUSLY PUNISHED FOR DRUG AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT VIOLATIONS YET STILL MAINTAINS STAR STATUS WITHIN ORGANIZATION. CANDIDATE LIVES IN A FAIRY TALE WORLD AND THINKS THIS IS OKAY BECAUSE COMPANY MAKES MONEY OFF THE PERFORMER. CANDIDATE ALSO RECENTLY PRODUCED AN EPISODE WHERE A GROUP OF YOUNGER PERFORMERS RECENTLY BRUTALIZED A RETIRED EMPLOYEE TWICE THEIR AGE. EMPLOYEE SUBSEQUENTLY ENDED UP IN HOSPITAL WITH RUPTURED BLOOD VESSEL IN BRAIN. CANDIDATE''S COMPANY HAS MANIPULATED ALL MEDIA REPORTS WITH SMOKE AND MIRRORS TO MAINTAIN THE ILLUSION THAT THE BRUTAL AND ILL COORDINATED ATTACK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EMPLOYEE'S SUBSEQUENT MEDICAL ISSUES.

CANDIDATE WANTS YOUR VOTE BECAUSE SHE HAS THE BUSINESS EXPERIENCE AND JUDGMENT TO MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS CONCERNING YOUR FUTURE.

Uh-huh.

In the old days of wrestling, when it was red neck factory worker middle class soap opera, no promoter would have given Orton a job if they knew about his past because it would have been too risky if the fans found out about it. OR the promoter would have given him a job, pushed the deserter angle and make him take beatdowns from the other wrestlers. (And in the old days, when wrestling fans were True Believers, Orton would have needed an escort pretty much anywhere in the building to prevent the fans from taking matters into their own hands. And he probably would have taken some legit beatdowns in the locker room. I just imagine just how little tolerance guys like Race, Bruiser or Valentine would have shown a deserter. I would love to see Randy Orton in a military NCO club by himself with no WWE security around and have someone out him as a deserter. IT WOULD NOT BE PRETTY.)

If it were me, I would make money off the angle by outing Orton as a deserter to the general public. I would have Vince act Shocked and Amazed at having discovered this information. Then I would have him run a gauntlet of forgiveness by having Dibiase (as the Marine) beat down Orton week after week after week after week after week after week . . . . . .

And then Cena (as The Marine) beat down Orton week after week after week after week . . . .

And then Sargent Slaughter (as, well, Sargent Slaughter) beat down Orton week after week after week . . . .

And then Corporal Kirschner. And The Patriot. And Jim Duggan. And Mr. USA Tony Atlas. And the All American American Jack Swagger. And Doink the All American Clown. And Hornswoggle the All American Leprechaun. And Vladimir Kozlov the All American Russian. I'd bring back Bob Holly for about a month of beatdowns, followed by one big mass beatdown on Orton by every retired legend that they could cram in the ring with him. And I'd tell them to work really, really stiff. All this time having Orton defend his actions and spewing anti-American, anti-fan venom.

And then, finally, after about six months, I would allow Orton to have an epiphany and beg the fans for forgiveness now that he had some proper appreciation of America beaten into him and/or rush into the ring to help a wrestler being beaten down by an Evil Anti-American Faction (which WWE would be developing simultaneously to Orton's journey to forgiveness.)

ANNOUNCER: Randy, I don't understand. You've made your views clear these last few months. Why did you jump into the ring and help Joe Schmoe when the (Evil Faction) was attacking him?

ORTON: I . . . I don't know. It just . . . it just seemed the right thing to do. All these people that have been coming after me lately . . . . the one thing driving them all is their pride in America. I've just . . . . grown to respect that. Maybe it's been something I should have respected all along. Maybe it's something I should respect more today.

(Sargent Slaughter comes out. Orton steps back defensively. They stare each down for a minute, then Sarge puts out his hand. Orton hesitates then takes his hand. Sarge snaps to attention and salutes Orton.

SARGE: Some lessons have to be learned on the battlefield, Soldier.

Orton comes to attention and salutes back. He fights back the tears. The crowd does freaking nuts.)

Old school, drawn out, dramatic and it would put Orton over the top in a way that he has never achieved. I'm talking Hulk Hogan, Dusty Rhodes, Stone Cold over the top. He could do no wrong afterwards. Remember Charles Dickens first rule for writing a story: Make them laugh, make them cry, but most of all, make them wait.

That would be the right way to draw money from a deserter instead of pushing him to the roof as a superstar. Somewhere along the line, the fans would start sympathizing with Orton and when he made his turn, he would own the fans. It could be better than when Sargent Slaughter or Dusty Rhodes turned face.

I smell money.

a dont think anyone cares what he did in past Vince, wwe fans or even the Marines he did his time all is forgiven and in past you see them cheer for him so the whole matter dropped plus Randy has earned the position he is in

and if you have such a problem with Vince and what he does to make money why the hell do you watch the WWE weather or not you agree with the angles wwe has went down it has put hell of a lot of money in Vince pocket he not going to stop now and shouldnt
 
cena hasn't set no bar high , all he good at is making the company money , stone cold and the rock did the same and they could wrestle , cena is around alot of heels making him this superhero , but I would like to see cena be a heel for a few years then make a comeback and be argueably one of the greatest wrestlers of all time like orton , it just wouldn't happen , Randy Orton is the best of the best right now when it comes to wrestling and it seems like his move set changes every match unlike cena .
 
Jesus, can't you people read? I said, Vince, why don't you push a pedophile next. Meaning, Vince has a habit of wanting to push inappropriate angles all the way to the top, because, well, I think Vince has some pretty dark spells and I think it comes from from a sick desire on his part to see just how far he can manipulate the public in any direction he wants. Wrestling promoters used to adhere to standards of propriety; Vince sometimes appears to be trying to remake the standards according to some warped thought processes.

I chose the term pedophile because that's an inappropriate angle that Vince hasn't used. Yet. It was a random choice, I could have just as easily used serial killer, drug dealer, or dog fighter. It was sarcasm aimed at the inappropriate and distasteful angles that Vince has attempted to push in the past. Remember the necrophiliac angle? The Mae West delivering a rubber glove scene? The proposed incest angle with Stephanie? Chuck and Billy? Was there anything at all appropriate about the whole Mark Henry and Mae West angle? Or Hot Lesbian Action? None of these are appropriate. Where does Vince's mind go when he comes up with these things - is he just projecting some weird fantasies of his own on the fans? What do these angles have to do with wrestling or even entertainment? Are these something you want your children to watch? Do you want to explain to a child why a rubber glove is coming out an old womans "belly"? Two women making out? A hot young diva causing another divas father to "die" from a heart attack due to sexual overexertion? Or why a father is staring at his own daughter's breasts from inches away with apparent fascination? COME ON VINCE; GET YOURSELF INTO THERAPY.

Listen up Vince and listen good: Some of the things you try to do are just plain offensive, and someone should be taking you out behind the woodshed and taking a switch to you for even thinking about them.

What I'm trying to get across is: Randy Orton has disgraced his country during his military service. He has failed drug tests. Evidently his backstage demeanor towards the female employees is deplorable. Why should he be pushed to the top as champion? Why does he still have a job with the company? In the real world, he would have been off the payroll a long time ago. HE IS NOT A POSITVE EXAMPLE, and if you're trying to be PG so Mommy can get elected, this is a potential time bomb.

POLITICAL CANDIDATE PUSHS DESERTER AS HER PRIME BUSINESS ENTERTAINMENT ATTRACTION. PERFORMER HAS ALSO BEEN PREVIOUSLY PUNISHED FOR DRUG AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT VIOLATIONS YET STILL MAINTAINS STAR STATUS WITHIN ORGANIZATION. CANDIDATE LIVES IN A FAIRY TALE WORLD AND THINKS THIS IS OKAY BECAUSE COMPANY MAKES MONEY OFF THE PERFORMER. CANDIDATE ALSO RECENTLY PRODUCED AN EPISODE WHERE A GROUP OF YOUNGER PERFORMERS RECENTLY BRUTALIZED A RETIRED EMPLOYEE TWICE THEIR AGE. EMPLOYEE SUBSEQUENTLY ENDED UP IN HOSPITAL WITH RUPTURED BLOOD VESSEL IN BRAIN. CANDIDATE''S COMPANY HAS MANIPULATED ALL MEDIA REPORTS WITH SMOKE AND MIRRORS TO MAINTAIN THE ILLUSION THAT THE BRUTAL AND ILL COORDINATED ATTACK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EMPLOYEE'S SUBSEQUENT MEDICAL ISSUES.

CANDIDATE WANTS YOUR VOTE BECAUSE SHE HAS THE BUSINESS EXPERIENCE AND JUDGMENT TO MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS CONCERNING YOUR FUTURE.

Uh-huh.

In the old days of wrestling, when it was red neck factory worker middle class soap opera, no promoter would have given Orton a job if they knew about his past because it would have been too risky if the fans found out about it. OR the promoter would have given him a job, pushed the deserter angle and make him take beatdowns from the other wrestlers. (And in the old days, when wrestling fans were True Believers, Orton would have needed an escort pretty much anywhere in the building to prevent the fans from taking matters into their own hands. And he probably would have taken some legit beatdowns in the locker room. I just imagine just how little tolerance guys like Race, Bruiser or Valentine would have shown a deserter. I would love to see Randy Orton in a military NCO club by himself with no WWE security around and have someone out him as a deserter. IT WOULD NOT BE PRETTY.)

If it were me, I would make money off the angle by outing Orton as a deserter to the general public. I would have Vince act Shocked and Amazed at having discovered this information. Then I would have him run a gauntlet of forgiveness by having Dibiase (as the Marine) beat down Orton week after week after week after week after week after week . . . . . .

And then Cena (as The Marine) beat down Orton week after week after week after week . . . .

And then Sargent Slaughter (as, well, Sargent Slaughter) beat down Orton week after week after week . . . .

And then Corporal Kirschner. And The Patriot. And Jim Duggan. And Mr. USA Tony Atlas. And the All American American Jack Swagger. And Doink the All American Clown. And Hornswoggle the All American Leprechaun. And Vladimir Kozlov the All American Russian. I'd bring back Bob Holly for about a month of beatdowns, followed by one big mass beatdown on Orton by every retired legend that they could cram in the ring with him. And I'd tell them to work really, really stiff. All this time having Orton defend his actions and spewing anti-American, anti-fan venom.

And then, finally, after about six months, I would allow Orton to have an epiphany and beg the fans for forgiveness now that he had some proper appreciation of America beaten into him and/or rush into the ring to help a wrestler being beaten down by an Evil Anti-American Faction (which WWE would be developing simultaneously to Orton's journey to forgiveness.)

ANNOUNCER: Randy, I don't understand. You've made your views clear these last few months. Why did you jump into the ring and help Joe Schmoe when the (Evil Faction) was attacking him?

ORTON: I . . . I don't know. It just . . . it just seemed the right thing to do. All these people that have been coming after me lately . . . . the one thing driving them all is their pride in America. I've just . . . . grown to respect that. Maybe it's been something I should have respected all along. Maybe it's something I should respect more today.

(Sargent Slaughter comes out. Orton steps back defensively. They stare each down for a minute, then Sarge puts out his hand. Orton hesitates then takes his hand. Sarge snaps to attention and salutes Orton.

SARGE: Some lessons have to be learned on the battlefield, Soldier.

Orton comes to attention and salutes back. He fights back the tears. The crowd does freaking nuts.)

Old school, drawn out, dramatic and it would put Orton over the top in a way that he has never achieved. I'm talking Hulk Hogan, Dusty Rhodes, Stone Cold over the top. He could do no wrong afterwards. Remember Charles Dickens first rule for writing a story: Make them laugh, make them cry, but most of all, make them wait.

That would be the right way to draw money from a deserter instead of pushing him to the roof as a superstar. Somewhere along the line, the fans would start sympathizing with Orton and when he made his turn, he would own the fans. It could be better than when Sargent Slaughter or Dusty Rhodes turned face.

I smell money.


Yeah, no offense to our troops or anything... God Bless Them, but I don't think Randy disgraced our troops. I mean, it may have been a mistake. Some people are just not built for that kind of thing, mentally, physically, emotionally. Sure it was a dishonorable discharge but I don't like your ideas on forced punishment and repenting, in any idea or form... even storyline wise... that to me would truly be dishonorable to our troops.

Back to the topic at hand... I get Randy is finally face now after a long long time... and his build and turn has come slowly and patiently which makes it so great now. Randy was never one to get anything overnight and he truly has grown [in my opinion] as a person and as a wrestler... he's matured and people shouldn't simply be stuck on the wrongs of the past, instead see how he has improved himself. I mean everyone is jumping the bandwagon to becoming an Orton fan now, to me he's always been intriguing and its not so surprising now.

To the topic question at hand. I think the only person who has had a somewhat of a classical push, like Randy Orton, is John Morrison. He's not a young superstar, but he has won singles and tag titles, and had various feuds. He can hold his own in the ring and he can possible have a long and illustrious career and be legendary like Shawn Michaels, if he is pushed the right way from here on out.
 
cena hasn't set no bar high , all he good at is making the company money , stone cold and the rock did the same and they could wrestle , cena is around alot of heels making him this superhero , but I would like to see cena be a heel for a few years then make a comeback and be argueably one of the greatest wrestlers of all time like orton , it just wouldn't happen , Randy Orton is the best of the best right now when it comes to wrestling and it seems like his move set changes every match unlike cena .

Lmao since when is Orton half the wrestler Cena is? Orton got lucky with a sweet character and he'd be nothing without it. You could literally pick up anybody from FCW (or off the street), give them the character Orton has, and they'd be over too. Cena actually got by on talent. His mic skills and his ability to, you know, wrestle. Both things that Orton severely lacks. But I have to admit, I did literally laugh out loud when you said "one of the greatest wrestlers of all time like Orton" :lmao::lmao::lmao: That's a funny one. He's the best of the best right now? At what? Using two moves - adequately at best - in his entire career? Yeah, I guess he's got that going for him. At least Cena has 5 moves and does them well.

On topic, Orton didn't set the bar. That was The Rock and Brock Lesnar. Orton, even today, is nowhere near what they did when they were young. And WWE could have a young superstar be the next Orton anytime they wanted...put them on TV when they're young and keep pushing them. Push, push, push, keep changing their gimmick until they find something that gets a reaction, and anybody can get over.
 
I think the WWE need to do more vignettes to build up wrestlers. Think about the pops CM Punk and even Val Venis got for their debuts. Randy Orton debuted as a face and flopped. I remember a handicap match vs Christian and someone, maybe Jericho, in which he tried to nail the Overdrive and it looked horrible! He got injured shorty after that. It was during the Randy News Network vignettes when he was updating his injury status that I think the build for him really began. He then returned and aligned with Evolution and really started to get over.

I know exactly what you're trying to talk about when he hit the Overdrive horribly, it was back during the dying days of the Unamericans. It wasn't a handicap match, he faced Lance Storm 1 on 1, and beat him, then faced Christian 1 on 1 and beat him as well. He hit the Overdrive on both, and both looked ridiculous.

Regardless, I think the RNN injury updates are what started Randy getting noticed. Who would've even cared if he joined Evolution if those vignettes hadn't been playing over the course of his injury? If he just returned, people would've been like "Oh hey, it's that guy. Cool." I'm not saying THAT'S what got him over, but it got him noticed. It was subtle and it was well thought out. Stuff like that is perfect for new superstars. I don't think they set the bar too high with Orton. I think they just did (MOSTLY) everything right with him.
 
I read in an earlier post about randy being dishonorably discharged from the marines, he's not the first to be desert and won't be the last. Honestly that has nothing to do with what he has accomplished in the WWE.

As for setting the bar, he has really set a high bar younger guys. He's a multi time world champion, intercontinental champ, and tag team champ, which makes a triple crown winner and quite possibly the youngest to achieve that.

As for setting the bar, it'd take a 12 yo to start now to achieve what Randy has.
 
John cena doesn't have talent , let alone mic skills , all he does is make jokes , he talks about sheamus skin color which he shouldn't do on tv , he's a bad role model for kids , and since he wanna be a marine so bad why don't he sign up ? his gimmick is fake , his wife get drunk every weekend at clubs and he's supposed to be this person that's all about the people and doin what's right , he should join the straight edge society , and you can't give anyone else the viper gimmick and think they on sell , orton is the only one who's believeable , cena is a homo that gets beat up every week by nexus and still haven't took 1 of them out like he say every week , but I bet orton can finish them off no problem cuz he's relentless and heartless , the cenation is over .
 
Cena is just an embarrassment to the WWE.
They need to get rid of him, just stick him in the back and make him a jobber.

I don't see why the kids like him so much and why Vince is so high on him.
He can't wrestler, his fake wanna be marine thing going on just makes me cringe when I see him.
The only reason why he makes fun of Sheamus is cause he's not getting made fun of anymore cause he used to be the pale pink guy and now someone is paler then him...
I remember all the pink comments with how white Cena is.
 

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