He is just as injury prone as Kennedy it seems . In no way is Batista as talented as Kennedy on the mic or in the ring. He's more acomplished then Kennedy but If given the time Kennedy would have been Bigger then Batista ever was. So if the reason Kenndy was fired was because he was to injury prone shouldnt Batista get the same treatment?
Why shouldnt Batista get the same treatment Kennedy did?
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LayneStaleyLives
Dark Match Jobber
Because Batista sells.
He's bigger, he's badder, he's got the muscle. No, I'm not a Batista fan, but he and Cena are like the spokes-persons to the PG generation of wrestling. They've put too much time into Batista to put him down like they did Kennedy - and Kennedy barely got out of the gate in his career when you look at it.
There's also the Evolution factor. That may possibly be the reason why Batista is in main events. It's not a good thing when you have a guy trained by HHH and Flair, to make him main-event almost constantly for the last four years and to feed him title after title like breast-feeding a baby - all to just knock him off because he's injury prone.
It seems like most of WWE's top-tier are injury prone anyway. So, it's not a good move to axe him, and really, it's nothing unusual.
He's bigger, he's badder, he's got the muscle. No, I'm not a Batista fan, but he and Cena are like the spokes-persons to the PG generation of wrestling. They've put too much time into Batista to put him down like they did Kennedy - and Kennedy barely got out of the gate in his career when you look at it.
There's also the Evolution factor. That may possibly be the reason why Batista is in main events. It's not a good thing when you have a guy trained by HHH and Flair, to make him main-event almost constantly for the last four years and to feed him title after title like breast-feeding a baby - all to just knock him off because he's injury prone.
It seems like most of WWE's top-tier are injury prone anyway. So, it's not a good move to axe him, and really, it's nothing unusual.
I'd rather of watch noodles boil in a pot than watch any of his matches. The only time in the WWE Batista was good, was during his first heel to face turn on his way into his feud with Triple H and Evolution.
The rest of what hes done will be quickly forgotten.
Batista should of been gone.
The rest of what hes done will be quickly forgotten.
Batista should of been gone.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Um...there's a huge difference between Dave Batista and Ken Kennedy.
First of all, Batista is a company man...through and through. Next to Cena, it seems that he would do pretty much anything for the business, and he WILL be working in the business long after he retires from the ring. Ken Kennedy...well...I have no opinion of him regarding this.
Second of all, he's a many-time world champion. Kennedy...he won MITB and then lost it to Edge because they didn't think he was championship material.
Thirdly, Batista came back from injury he suffered around Christmas and provided a solid two months of main-event action before he got hurt again. Kennedy was back for one night after being gone for a year, and then he hurt himself again.
Fourthly, he's friends with Trips. I have no idea if Kennedy is friends with Trips or not...but since he got released, my guess is no.
Fifthly, well...I could go on forever.
BOTTOM LINE: It's Batista and Kennedy we are talking about here. They are at two completely different levels, with Batista being at the top.
First of all, Batista is a company man...through and through. Next to Cena, it seems that he would do pretty much anything for the business, and he WILL be working in the business long after he retires from the ring. Ken Kennedy...well...I have no opinion of him regarding this.
Second of all, he's a many-time world champion. Kennedy...he won MITB and then lost it to Edge because they didn't think he was championship material.
Thirdly, Batista came back from injury he suffered around Christmas and provided a solid two months of main-event action before he got hurt again. Kennedy was back for one night after being gone for a year, and then he hurt himself again.
Fourthly, he's friends with Trips. I have no idea if Kennedy is friends with Trips or not...but since he got released, my guess is no.
Fifthly, well...I could go on forever.
BOTTOM LINE: It's Batista and Kennedy we are talking about here. They are at two completely different levels, with Batista being at the top.
Paradox100
Pre-Show Stalwart
It sucks that Batista is injured again. I don't think he is that great a wrestler, but I enjoyed the guy nonetheless. But, These two are on seperate levels. Batista got injured on a Sunday, the same night he won the WWE title. Even if this was his first and only reign, they would not have fired him. It being his fifth title reign, they obviously have trust in the guy. He is sharing that top spot with Cena, and these two will be around for a long while to go.
Batista is an established main eventer in WWE. He sells more merch in one month than Kennedy does in one year. Sure Kennedy may one day be x2 the star that Batista is, but Kennedy has had two pushes and both times he got injured mid way in. Its hard to make Kennedy a star if he keeps getting injured everytime a major angle is sent his way.
Do I agree with WWE releasing him? If it was soley because he is injury prone, then no. I feel WWE could have always put him on a lighter schedule. By that I dont exactly mean have him disappear for six months like Undertaker or HBK, but rather put him in more interviews, tag matches, backstage angles, and in ring segments. Limit his contact with other wrestlers, match or brawling wise, before his actual, important, match. If all else fails, he could have been a commentator. I'd rather listen to Kennedy than half of the commentators they have now.
Do I agree with WWE releasing him? If it was soley because he is injury prone, then no. I feel WWE could have always put him on a lighter schedule. By that I dont exactly mean have him disappear for six months like Undertaker or HBK, but rather put him in more interviews, tag matches, backstage angles, and in ring segments. Limit his contact with other wrestlers, match or brawling wise, before his actual, important, match. If all else fails, he could have been a commentator. I'd rather listen to Kennedy than half of the commentators they have now.
Pepper Wadman
Dark Match Winner
Then there's also the fact that Kennedy was a hazard to the other wrestlers. See what he did to Orton.
Batista, from what I recall, did not pose a threat to other wrestlers. If anything, he made them look better.
Batista, from what I recall, did not pose a threat to other wrestlers. If anything, he made them look better.
Um...there's a huge difference between Dave Batista and Ken Kennedy.
First of all, Batista is a company man...through and through. Next to Cena, it seems that he would do pretty much anything for the business, and he WILL be working in the business long after he retires from the ring. Ken Kennedy...well...I have no opinion of him regarding this.
Second of all, he's a many-time world champion. Kennedy...he won MITB and then lost it to Edge because they didn't think he was championship material.
Thirdly, Batista came back from injury he suffered around Christmas and provided a solid two months of main-event action before he got hurt again. Kennedy was back for one night after being gone for a year, and then he hurt himself again.
Fourthly, he's friends with Trips. I have no idea if Kennedy is friends with Trips or not...but since he got released, my guess is no.
Fifthly, well...I could go on forever.
BOTTOM LINE: It's Batista and Kennedy we are talking about here. They are at two completely different levels, with Batista being at the top.
First... I just want to state that I was a huge Kennedy fan. Still am and look forward to his TNA run. With that said, I unfortunately agree with almost everything Ricky said except for the fact that they took the briefcase from Kennedy because of they didn't think he was championship material. They took the briefcase from him because of a misdiagnosed injury. They thought he tore some muscle and would be out 4-6 months. Turned out he was only out like 4weeks with an injury not as serious. It was not because they didn't believe in Kennedy.
Also... I don't believe having an injury after being back for only 2 months is anything to write home about. You can't be out of action for 4 months, come back for less than 2, and then be out for 4 more. That is NOT a plus for Batista by any stretch. Esp. since Mania was April 5th, Batista came back the next night, and then didn't have to do anything for a week. So he really didn't even get into action until halfway through April. This injury they said happened almost 3 weeks ago and he just worked through it because fortunately it's not SUPER serious. It's only a partial muscle tear. Plus, Batista was not in action every single week from him coming back either. So even though Batista realy is on a higher level than Kennedy, he's been injured more than Ken Griffey Jr. That is not good for Batista. But if Batista were to come back for 2 more months or less and get injured again... I would believe he would HAVE to be let go because then you are just getting into some deep shit having a guy like that miss time on and off like that. It doesn't look good, but whatever is good for business will always prevail.
However... as much as it pains me to admit it... Ricky is correct in the fact that Batista sells. As much as the "real fans" don't like him and were so into Kennedy, Batista is a merch machine. Not quite a Cena or Jeff Hardy, but the kids love him. He's Warrior 2.0... but just looks roided up more. The fact he is friends with HHH can't hurt either...sadly. I do also believe Batista is a company guy and will do anything for the company, but at the same time, he's never been asked to do anything that would decrease his image or name. I mean look what they did with him this week. Gave him the title over the top heel on Raw, even though they knew he wouldn't be around to defend it. Was this part of a bigger story or was this because even though a lot of us (including me) thought Orton was ready to be an epic Champion, he really isn't? That screams to me that Orton is really not as over as we all thought he was. I would defend Orton left and right about 6 months ago... but I'm starting to see how some think he's RKOver-rated. He's a better chaser oddly... just like Jeff Hardy. But with that said, after Extreme Rules this week, we saw what someone with some pull (HHH maybe... or some other folks in creative) really thinks about Batista. He must be really well-liked by just about everybody to go over Orton for the WWE title in a 7 minute... well... squash match. So Batista is doing something right.
From the outside... should Batista have been let go just like Kennedy? Without a doubt he should. But you do have to look deeper. And being such a massive huge Kennedy fan, it hurts to say it. Batista is on a higher level than Kennedy and just has more going for him which is why Batista is still here and Kennedy is not.
Kennedy got released because he's not safe in the ring. He nearly injured Orton with a botched suplex, injured Cena and none of the big names want to work with him because of it. It really had nothing to do with injuries. They viewed him as a risk to their main eventers, which going by his record he was.
Diablosbomb
Occasional Pre-Show
actually he was injured going into the match, just so you know.
anyway, kennedy wasn't just injury prone, he was wreckless in the ring. orton complained, triple h complained, and "other unnamed wrestlers" complained that he was too stiff, and then vince released him. Batista is injury prone because he wants back in the ring so bad he rushes his return, kennedy stays out a few months longer to make sure he is 100% then easily re-injures himself.
I am more a kennedy fan than i am a batista fan, but it just makes more sense to fire kennedy and not batista.
AndarielHalo
Disillusioned Smark
The shortest and most accurate answer would likely be this:
Batista = 6'7"
Kennedy Kennedy = 6'2"
Batista = almost 300 pounds
Kennedy Kennedy = less than 250 pounds
Batista = Been around since 2002, and befriended Triple H
Kennedy Kennedy = Got injured shortly after his 2005 debut
Compared in amount of time spent out, Batista has come nowhere near missing as much time as Kennedy Kennedy has
Batista = 6'7"
Kennedy Kennedy = 6'2"
Batista = almost 300 pounds
Kennedy Kennedy = less than 250 pounds
Batista = Been around since 2002, and befriended Triple H
Kennedy Kennedy = Got injured shortly after his 2005 debut
Compared in amount of time spent out, Batista has come nowhere near missing as much time as Kennedy Kennedy has
finneycom1
Pre-Show Stalwart
How many of you actually work for WWE? Who on here knows 100% that Kennedy got released due to injuries? If there is something that came out that said that he got released b/c of injuries, then I apologize, I didnt see it.
There are so many things that people may not know a thing about that caused his release. I honestly do not think it was b/c of injuries. Hell, look at Stevie Richards. That bitch got hurt every time he blinked. Look how long WWE held on to him. So, I highly doubt that Kennedy got released due to injuries. This is why Batista has not been released. I cant think of anyone that WWE has released due to injuries.
Face it, Batista fits the mold perfectly for what WWE wants right now. I am not the biggest fan of Batista, but he sells tickets, and that's what matters.
There are so many things that people may not know a thing about that caused his release. I honestly do not think it was b/c of injuries. Hell, look at Stevie Richards. That bitch got hurt every time he blinked. Look how long WWE held on to him. So, I highly doubt that Kennedy got released due to injuries. This is why Batista has not been released. I cant think of anyone that WWE has released due to injuries.
Face it, Batista fits the mold perfectly for what WWE wants right now. I am not the biggest fan of Batista, but he sells tickets, and that's what matters.
KoKo Bwhere?
New Member
kennedy wasnt 100% yet ya he was out a year which is a damn long time but they rushed him back to do that 5 on 5 tag match...he wasnt scheduled to come back for a few more weeks...and if they would of waited kennedy would still be in the wwe.....atleast untill his debut would of happened and hurt himself again haha
I'm not going to go on a hate-spree on Kennedy here. I do think Batista should be shit-canned, and sent off to TNA. He's not working as a face at the top of the card, and probably never will. He's getting old, and his body is obviously breaking down. If they won't use him right, they shouldn't use him at all.
I don't think Dave "The Animal" Batista should be a face. He was best when people were scared of him. When he was the crazy freak that would destroy anyone, and make it look convincing. He doesn't need to be at the top of the card either. Put him in a feud for the US Title, and use him to get some younger guys over, while you build the top of your card for the future. He could work a few decent matches with MVP or Kofi Kingston, while still working them towards the WWE Title.
I don't remember who said he was bad on the mic, but I disagree. He was effective for what he needed to say. Look at the original feud with HHH, or the segment with Simon Dean as proof. They were good, and proved he belonged in the big picture. Now, he needs to give the younger guys a chance to do what he's done.
I don't think Dave "The Animal" Batista should be a face. He was best when people were scared of him. When he was the crazy freak that would destroy anyone, and make it look convincing. He doesn't need to be at the top of the card either. Put him in a feud for the US Title, and use him to get some younger guys over, while you build the top of your card for the future. He could work a few decent matches with MVP or Kofi Kingston, while still working them towards the WWE Title.
I don't remember who said he was bad on the mic, but I disagree. He was effective for what he needed to say. Look at the original feud with HHH, or the segment with Simon Dean as proof. They were good, and proved he belonged in the big picture. Now, he needs to give the younger guys a chance to do what he's done.
pepentorresHHH
Getting Noticed By Management
batista and kenndy are in two different levels......batista is a former 5 time world champ.... draws big time..... his in the new version of the clique.......and he hasnt nearly injured anyone we know of
as for kennedy..... he is way more injury prone than batista for someone HIS age..... he has never made any significant impacts in the business.... because of his huge intervals he isnt a big draw.....he isnt a former world champ........
i mean kennedy has a great ability in the ring and on the mic.... no question... but he was a bad investment
as for kennedy..... he is way more injury prone than batista for someone HIS age..... he has never made any significant impacts in the business.... because of his huge intervals he isnt a big draw.....he isnt a former world champ........
i mean kennedy has a great ability in the ring and on the mic.... no question... but he was a bad investment
I LOVE both Dave and Ken, passionately. But I'm too scared of getting hit with the collection box to fire Dave. With Ken we can still laugh about it afterwards. I love Ken so much it makes me laugh to remember his very last performance. "You thought this was over?" Keep having fun, my friend.
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Batista is a proven commodity plain and simple. As much as I like Kennedy he spent more time on the sidelines than in the ring. Batista is injury prone but it also comes more sporadically, Kennedy is guaranteed to be injured within a month of coming back. Most of all Batista puts asses in seats and Kennedy never got to that point (probably cause he was always injured).
sevastra82
Pre-Show Stalwart
Kennedy didnt get fired cause he was injury prone.
Kennedy got fired because he about injured Randy Orton's shoulder in the match, and Vince didnt take too kindly to Kennedy almost injuring RAW's top heel.
Kennedy got fired because he about injured Randy Orton's shoulder in the match, and Vince didnt take too kindly to Kennedy almost injuring RAW's top heel.
Black Snow
Getting Noticed By Management
Before I can answer this thread's question I have to know conclusively why Kennedy was fired. Based on everything I've read there are conflicting stories. We might never know the whole story. So I'll answer the question based on the perceived answers.
If Kennedy was fired for being injury prone then yes, Batista should get the same treatment. If the only line of reasoning is that Vince is trying to push a guy and they can't count on them due to multiple injuries then Batista is actually WORSE when it comes to the injury bug than Kennedy.
If this is the case then Batista gets special treatment thanks to his close relationship with Hunter and because he's one of Vince's boys. It's no secret that if Vince really likes you then you'll get second and third chances. Look at Randy Orton. He had tons of behavioral problems and he always gets the benefit of the doubt.
The WWE should be a level playing field when it comes to discipline. Behavioral problems and a person's likeliness to be injured aren't as big of a deal as drug problems but by treating everyone the same it keeps the entire locker room on their toes. No one feels safe.
The cut and dry explanation is simple. I don't care what Kennedy did or did not do. It doesn't matter if Batista does the same thing or Funaki does it. Everyone should have the same punishment be it a fine, a suspension or termination.
If Kennedy was fired for being injury prone then yes, Batista should get the same treatment. If the only line of reasoning is that Vince is trying to push a guy and they can't count on them due to multiple injuries then Batista is actually WORSE when it comes to the injury bug than Kennedy.
If this is the case then Batista gets special treatment thanks to his close relationship with Hunter and because he's one of Vince's boys. It's no secret that if Vince really likes you then you'll get second and third chances. Look at Randy Orton. He had tons of behavioral problems and he always gets the benefit of the doubt.
The WWE should be a level playing field when it comes to discipline. Behavioral problems and a person's likeliness to be injured aren't as big of a deal as drug problems but by treating everyone the same it keeps the entire locker room on their toes. No one feels safe.
The cut and dry explanation is simple. I don't care what Kennedy did or did not do. It doesn't matter if Batista does the same thing or Funaki does it. Everyone should have the same punishment be it a fine, a suspension or termination.
Kennedy has a long history of doing things to piss people off, be it working too stiff in the ring (Orton, HHH), lying about his use of performance enhancing drugs (telling Vince he stopped in 2005 but being caught with proof of receiving it in 2006-2007), and being injury prone (though that probably had nothing to do with being released).
Batista doesn't have a history (as far as is known) of any of these things. As previously mentioned, he puts butts in the seats and sells merchandise. That's what Vince is looking for right now.
Not to veer too far off the subject, I'm interested to see why Umaga was released.
Batista doesn't have a history (as far as is known) of any of these things. As previously mentioned, he puts butts in the seats and sells merchandise. That's what Vince is looking for right now.
Not to veer too far off the subject, I'm interested to see why Umaga was released.
Slam Master
Pre-Show Stalwart
Batista injured John Cena with the power bomb off the top rope at Summerslam 2008. He hurt the WWE's prized posession.
The difference is Dave Batista is a huge draw, he has a huge presence, mulit-time heavyweight champ, he's friends with HHH, and he must have some pull in the back. Evolution was great when it happened and it propelled him to a new level that Kennedy hadn't even reached yet.
The difference is Dave Batista is a huge draw, he has a huge presence, mulit-time heavyweight champ, he's friends with HHH, and he must have some pull in the back. Evolution was great when it happened and it propelled him to a new level that Kennedy hadn't even reached yet.
AndarielHalo
Disillusioned Smark
I do.
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.... Oh wait, no I don't.
Irony: Kennedy did the exact same thing a year earlier. Maybe they should fire Cena, too! He got injured twice in one year! Also, Cena wasn't the WWE's prized possession in Summer 2008 as much as he was the year before.
I'm joking with the fire Cena thing for injuries. My point is; Kennedy's injury-proneness is a unique situation because no other WWE superstar in recent memory has been as frequently injured as him. And last I saw, he wiggled his hands for the camera of his web page just fine.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
This is easy: Batista has accomplished substantially more than Kennedy. Kennedy was running on nothing buy potential and hype at the time. Batista had been in a major stable, won multiple world titles, main evented Wrestlemanias and was far more popular than Kennedy. Kennedy's biggest accomplishment was beating a bunch of former world champions with no title on the line. Or was it his forgotten US Title reign? Perhaps him holding MITB for 3 months and then losing it to Edge in 9 seconds? Kennedy has been given multiple chances to do something huge and has blown it every time. Why shouldn't Batista get the same treatment? Better question: why did Kennedy get treated as well as he did?
SavageTaker
Everybody Has A Price!
Batista doesn't get the same treatment as Mr. Kennedy because he is an already established main eventer and a former multiple time World Champion who has also main evented some of the biggest pay per views the WWE has. While on the other hand Kennedy never really accomplished much while he was with the WWE other than one title reign beating a few former world champions and holding the Money in the Bank briefcase. Also Kennedy was never established in anything, you never knew whether he was a mid-carder or a main eventer while you know where Batista is which is whether we like it or not in the main event. So losing Kennedy is not as big of a loss as losing someone that is established in the main event and a former multiple time world champion. You also have to factor in the fact that Dave Batista is good friends with Triple H and is one of Vince's "boys". Those are the reasons why I think Batista doesn't and probably would never get the same treatment as someone like Mr. Kennedy.
Does anyone remember that Owen Hart broke Steve Austin's neck when he screwed up a piledriver? He was NEVER punished for it. He was from one of the greatest if not the very greatest wrestling family's and he knew how to do the move and screwed it up. He wasn't fired or suspended or anything else. Why all of a sudden does Ken Kennedy get fired for almost injuring Randy Orton? Does McMahon have more of a hard-on for Orton than he did Austin?
