Why is TNA insisting of having face champions?

[The Viper Orton]

I mean when I saw today's tournament it hit me, we had 6 out of 8 faces going for the TNA WHC. What Irritated me more is that 4 out of 4 are faces. All of the male heels in TNA are involved in one storyline (other than sting and Nash who aren't doing anything atm). What are your thoughts on that?
Why don't they want any heels involved?

Some might disagree,but to some extent the most entertaining part of the champion is when a heel gets a run with it. (not necessarily in TNA)

Why was Ken Anderson changed to face when you have no one to cover for him?
Why the nonstop wins of hardy and anderson?

Who is the perfect guy or group of people to change to heel to change this nonsense that is happening.

I think Anderson needs to go back to heel, or change Joe and push him, since I know Hogan will never push Matt Morgan or Desmon Wolfe.

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

I agree that since Hogan has come in the heels aren't really being pushed, I think it's a shame because I wanted Wolfe and Morgan to be pushed. I don't mind that Hardy is having a winning streak, btw Sting and Nash are having a sort of rivalry with JJ and Hulk. I think Joe should turn heel so he can have a rivalry with Hardy, also I do like a heel having a heel as champ but I don't think it matters.

 

[shattered dreams]

For starters, faces win more than heels. It is part of the dynamic. Right now TNA has heel champs in the x-division and tv title. AJ had the longest run with the TNA WHC anyone has had as a heel before he lost to RVD. So I hardly think they are "insisting" on faces as champions. As I said in the thread about the tournament the allure is in which of these faces is going to make a turn. It is possible you might get your anderson wish sooner than you might think. Then you have to eat you words for assuming no character development for these 4 guys over the next month and a half. You cannot always have a heel champ anyway and it is debatable if such runs are better, especially for business.

 

[airvar]

For starters, faces win more than heels. It is part of the dynamic. Right now TNA has heel champs in the x-division and tv title. AJ had the longest run with the TNA WHC anyone has had as a heel before he lost to RVD. So I hardly think they are "insisting" on faces as champions. As I said in the thread about the tournament the allure is in which of these faces is going to make a turn. It is possible you might get your anderson wish sooner than you might think. Then you have to eat you words for assuming no character development for these 4 guys over the next month and a half. You cannot always have a heel champ anyway and it is debatable if such runs are better, especially for business.

Wasn't A.J.'s World title run spent mostly as a face? I mean he dropped it as a heel, but he didn't turn untill his title run was almost done.

I have to agree with the OP, it seems TNA has a love for faces/tweener.. I mean hell even Styles get's cheered in the impact zone.. It really add's a weird dynamic, because they only have a few credible heel's, and so many faces they are trying to push.. Sure heels loose more then face's, but you have to give a heel the occasional win to keep his credibility, especially when your trying to build star's ..

 

[a0161613]

The problem I have is that mostly, a heel champion should be dominant as we get to Bound for Glory, so a face can have the big triumph on the big show.

None of the divisions have that and if it continues then Bound for Glory is likely to be a huge disappointment because who is going to have their moment.

I don't know if this is short sighted booking or just how things have panned out, but certainly it needs to be rectified. I can't believe that the company doesn't have a champion and doesn't plan on sorting it until Bound for Glory.

 

[shattered dreams]

Wasn't A.J.'s World title run spent mostly as a face? I mean he dropped it as a heel, but he didn't turn untill his title run was almost done.

I have to agree with the OP, it seems TNA has a love for faces/tweener.. I mean hell even Styles get's cheered in the impact zone.. It really add's a weird dynamic, because they only have a few credible heel's, and so many faces they are trying to push.. Sure heels loose more then face's, but you have to give a heel the occasional win to keep his credibility, especially when your trying to build star's ..

I'd say AJ's 7 month reign was half and half as the turn came basically in the middle. I do not see how tweeners and faces are the same. AJ won the TV title and just defeated Dreamer in the main event. Desmond has been winning with Magnus. Beer Money won two matches against MCMG and scored a pinfall in the finale. Morgan won on the whole f'in show. Abyss just practically murdered the WHC. I just do not see the heels never winning even once and a while.

 

[info62]

I mean when I saw today's tournament it hit me, we had 6 out of 8 faces going for the TNA WHC. What Irritated me more is that 4 out of 4 are faces. All of the male heels in TNA are involved in one storyline (other than sting and Nash who aren't doing anything atm). What are your thoughts on that?

I don't like the fact that there aren't any heels in the tournament but I think a lot of people on these forums are over reacting to it, it's really not the end of the world. Especially in the Impact Zone where they cheer for whoever they feel like anyway

Why don't they want any heels involved?

I don't think it is that they don't want any heels involved. I think it's more that all of the people who are over in TNA happen to be faces, and TNA isn't really to blame for this, since it is the Impact Zone who cheers for the heels when they start getting over. Sure it probably would have made sense let Morgan get to the next round of the tournament instead of Pope, but then again there is a better chance of Pope putting on a better match than Morgan would. So I don't know about you, but I personally would rather see a good match between two faces in place of an o-k match between a face and a heel

Some might disagree,but to some extent the most entertaining part of the champion is when a heel gets a run with it. (not necessarily in TNA)

Depends. I really was not a fan of AJ's long run as champ (even though I like him) yet I really enjoyed Orton's 07-08 run as champ (even though I hate him). It all depends on the booking IMO, a heel champ can be worse than a face champ if the booking is better

Why was Ken Anderson changed to face when you have no one to cover for him?

Yup that was a stupid move IMO, but the IZ cheering him as a heel didn't help anything

Why the nonstop wins of hardy and anderson?

Yes, why the nonstop wins of one of the most over guys in the company (Hardy). Why is it that some people complain about Hardy being under-used based on his popularity, and then others complain that he is over-used? I don't get it, I think he's being used alright considering the looming court date he has to show up to. And Anderson, the guy who had gone 2 full months of losing matches not too long ago. Really I have no problem with him finally winning matches. Otherwise he would have no credibility as a maineventer...

Who is the perfect guy or group of people to change to heel to change this nonsense that is happening.

I think Anderson needs to go back to heel, or change Joe and push him, since I know Hogan will never push Matt Morgan or Desmon Wolfe.

I really think they are going to turn Anderson heel again. Morgan is getting pushed in Fortune... what, would you rather him keep losing in random 2-minute matches again? He's been in Fortune for like 2 weeks, give it some time before you say Hogan refuses to push him.

 

[Zigglerfan227]

I agree. I love heels, in fact there are few faces that I actually care for. Just about all of my favorite wrestlers are heels (or have been heels throughout the majority of their career).

I do feel that the heels are being used appropriately in the WWE right now. I know Sheamus doesn't ever pick up clean wins but I cannot complain since he is champion. In TNA I feel they don't understand the greatness of heels. Why will they not push Matt Morgan? And why do they want Mr. Anderson to be face? Sure, Anderson works either way, but I cannot see Mr. Anderson winning a world title as a face. I don't know why. Does anyone else feel that way? Does any one else feel that Mr. Anderson could pull off being a world champion ONLY if he is a heel? Please let me know.

Anyway, Most faces suck, like John Cena, MVP, and John Morrison. The only reason I put John Morrison and MVP is because they suck as a face; they are pretty awesome as a heel.

 

[shogunsrampage]

as of right now itd be 2/2.... it was silly to make the hw tourny all faces but still........and ajs whc reign was pretty much 50/50.... looking at the bracket either hardy or angle will win....my money is on hardy so it can continue the abyss fued with "they" wanting him to be whc.... and hopefully FINALLY "they" is exposed, imho its gone on way to long..... either let it known its something he created in his head or indeed a new faction.

anderson is just one of those personalities where its hard for him to stay heel. wwe had to make him face as well, its just the way his character is...even him being a "asshole" gets pops bc of how he is.same with pope..there just soo charismatic it gets over with the fans. u cant have a heel go out and have the fans cheer him..what sense would that make.

 

[shogunsrampage]

I don't like the fact that there aren't any heels in the tournament but I think a lot of people on these forums are over reacting to it, it's really not the end of the world. Especially in the Impact Zone where they cheer for whoever they feel like anyway


I don't think it is that they don't want any heels involved. I think it's more that all of the people who are over in TNA happen to be faces, and TNA isn't really to blame for this, since it is the Impact Zone who cheers for the heels when they start getting over. Sure it probably would have made sense let Morgan get to the next round of the tournament instead of Pope, but then again there is a better chance of Pope putting on a better match than Morgan would. So I don't know about you, but I personally would rather see a good match between two faces in place of an o-k match between a face and a heel



Depends. I really was not a fan of AJ's long run as champ (even though I like him) yet I really enjoyed Orton's 07-08 run as champ (even though I hate him). It all depends on the booking IMO, a heel champ can be worse than a face champ if the booking is better



Yup that was a stupid move IMO, but the IZ cheering him as a heel didn't help anything



Yes, why the nonstop wins of one of the most over guys in the company (Hardy). Why is it that some people complain about Hardy being under-used based on his popularity, and then others complain that he is over-used? I don't get it, I think he's being used alright considering the looming court date he has to show up to. And Anderson, the guy who had gone 2 full months of losing matches not too long ago. Really I have no problem with him finally winning matches. Otherwise he would have no credibility as a maineventer...



I really think they are going to turn Anderson heel again. Morgan is getting pushed in Fortune... what, would you rather him keep losing in random 2-minute matches again? He's been in Fortune for like 2 weeks, give it some time before you say Hogan refuses to push him.

highly doubtful...same way with pope... if anything theyll make him a tweener.. this is what hes being made as on reaction... as he respects guys but he understands guys gotta do what they gotta do... anderson cant get over as a pure heel...hes too charismatic. imho. anderson would of had a fourtune spot if it wasnt for this.

 

[info62]

highly doubtful...same way with pope... if anything theyll make him a tweener.. this is what hes being made as on reaction... as he respects guys but he understands guys gotta do what they gotta do... anderson cant get over as a pure heel...hes too charismatic. imho. anderson would of had a fourtune spot if it wasnt for this.

You might be right. Especially with Pope, as he never really did anything to give the fans the idea that he was turning face, they just totally decided to cheer him on their own. Anderson was getting pretty good heat until the first Asshole promo at Sacrifice, from there TNA was probably screwed with having to turn him face because the crowd totally ate that up.

But as of right now the biggest heels in TNA are Abyss and Matt Morgan (AJ/Sting are obviously higher on the card but they still get cheered, or in Sting's case, has not been appearing regularly as of late). So really they might as well try to turn Anderson heel again. At one point he was getting a lot of heat, so if he avoids cutting another promo like the one at Sacrifice, I have a feeling he will become a full heel by the time he wrestles mega-face Angle at the finals of the tournament (as at this point I have no doubt they will be the final 2 of the tournament)

But again you may be right, and TNA might not bother even trying to turn Anderson heel. I just have a feeling that they will. Since there is a lot of time between now and the finals of the tournament, a heel turn by one of the competitors would help to keep things interesting, and imo Anderson has the best chance of all four to make a turn.

 

[Rasha]

Only 3/5 of the titles (including Knockouts) are held by faces, and one of those is now vacated. What we're probably going to see at the PPV is a scenario where Anderson or Pope turn heel and steal the match and belt over Angle in the tournament finale. If that doesn't happen, then Angle probably wins the WHC and goes into a feud with AJ or Morgan (since AJ already has a belt). If Fortune is still tied up with the EV2 angle, then maybe a returning Samoa Joe is next in line.

What I'm waiting to see is how the "Deception" angle with Bischoff/Hogan/Sting/Nash/Jarrett eventually bleeds over into other parts of TNA. Maybe "THEY" are still Bischoff and Hogan. Maybe they wanted RVD taken out after he showed his allegiance to the EV2 gang. Maybe they have a new handpicked guy (Anderson?) who they're going to push through the tournament with a few maneuvers. Seems like this is all coming together soon, and you have to imagine the WHC will be involved.

 

[[cL]]

What I'm waiting to see is how the "Deception" angle with Bischoff/Hogan/Sting/Nash/Jarrett eventually bleeds over into other parts of TNA. Maybe "THEY" are still Bischoff and Hogan. Maybe they wanted RVD taken out after he showed his allegiance to the EV2 gang. Maybe they have a new handpicked guy (Anderson?) who they're going to push through the tournament with a few maneuvers. Seems like this is all coming together soon, and you have to imagine the WHC will be involved.

You, know I've been waiting for months for them to finally say what the heck happened with Sting, why sting why, but every time he comes out to say something, Jarrett comes out and starts a fight. THEN Nash gets into it, and every other week or so, its the same thing "you wanna know the truth???" I'll tell you the truth it all starte---and Jarretts out with a mic. I'd like for them to figure out, what they're going to do before they do it and make it happen. It just seems that no one is making decisions in the back...they're kinda putting sticky notes with a scenario on the dart board and trying to make something happen all willy nilly. I mean, what is the truth. Is someone gonna reveal that? ALSO...what the heck happened with Samoa Joe? Who did he get kidnapped by?
You know what I think....instead of doing the recap show, they should save that hour for another night and do another wrestling show. Which would give them more time to develop storylines.
This had NOTHING to do with the original post, but after I read that reply I felt I needed to say this...lol

 

[waylon p]

an anderson heel turn would make so much more sense with the belt, but i fear the reason the tourney is face-heavy may have much to do with the fact that fortune are heels. they have to have one guy to gang up on.

when this sort of thing starts setting up, i start asking myself who is a face situated to become a real fan favorite babyface. that's the guy the heel stable needs to work a program against.

when i look at the semi finals, i don't see that guy. the closest i see are hardy and angle.

as much as i would love to see an anderson run as a heel world champ, i don't see it starting soon.

of course, this is tna, where they do many things of which i cannot make sense, so i won't put money on it.

 

[XgringolocoX]

Maybe the reason for this is TNA looking for thier Cena. They need that marque guy that the majority of the fan base can get behind. Once you have the big face you can have your heels challenge more. As of now TNA doesn't have that marque guy, or he hasn't broken through yet.

 

[llennellV3]

It doesn't happen often, but it happens. SOMETIMES the majority of Champions in [X] company are "Faces", sometimes the majority are "Heels". I don't see a problem either way, TNA has had their heels on top in the past. Anyways, I think the reason they are currently pushing more "faces" is because in TNA (more than in any other companies) the crowd's reaction to an individual's ability/skills (whether in-ring or mic ability/skill) has a high input in their role in the company(especially b4 Hogan came in). So, I think they are doing the smart thing and trying to promote their product by wrestlers with the most potential by the average wrestling fan.

TNA WHC=Vacant (Soon to be Kurt Angle)
TNA TV=AJ Styles
TNA WT=Motorcity Machine Guns
X Division=Doug Williams
TNA Knockout=Angelina Love


They are some of the best at their respective divisions if you asked most fans, and most importantly all, besides the WHC are all TNA "Homegrown" (Not literally, but you know what I mean)....I rather have talented champions unlike other companies...so the question is, when you have all these young guys with amazing talent in and out of the ring, why not?

 

[Rasha]

You, know I've been waiting for months for them to finally say what the heck happened with Sting, why sting why, but every time he comes out to say something, Jarrett comes out and starts a fight. THEN Nash gets into it, and every other week or so, its the same thing "you wanna know the truth???" I'll tell you the truth it all starte---and Jarretts out with a mic. I'd like for them to figure out, what they're going to do before they do it and make it happen. It just seems that no one is making decisions in the back...they're kinda putting sticky notes with a scenario on the dart board and trying to make something happen all willy nilly. I mean, what is the truth. Is someone gonna reveal that?

I don't think they're delaying because they don't know where it's going. Jarrett's interruptions are part of the storyline. Bischoff did the same thing in that one segment where Dixie went and found Sting in the rafters. He was just about to tell her what was going down but then Bischoff shows up with security to get Sting out of there. It's a slow-build angle, but that's classic Bischoff booking.

And again to the OP... sorry for going off course here. Just seems relevant as this whole angle, plus Fortune's push, will impact the face/heel balance of the championshis in the very near future.

 

[yoshi_doce2006]

It is really no secret that TNA wants to put the belt back on Kurt Angle. He was doing this whole beat everyone to the championship or retire when he has publicly stated that he will retire in two years. He has about a year and a half left so it is obvious that with RVD taking time off they want the belt on Angle.

I mean, the only big time heels in TNA as far as singles competition are Doug Williams, Matt Morgan, AJ Styles, and Abyss. Quite frankly that is not much. They need to develop more heels to use and then they can utilize them in these tournaments. You have to have the heels who are main event caliber before throwing them into the main event.

 

[darkman_96]

I have no idea why they do it but its ridiculous. Rvd,Hardy,Pope,Anderson win every match there put it. The only way the faces loose is by cheating so theres really no glory these days for the heels. Pisses me off. Much rather be living back in the good old days of TNA. There were some classics. This year has not got my attention.

 

[The Viper Orton]

I'd say AJ's 7 month reign was half and half as the turn came basically in the middle. I do not see how tweeners and faces are the same. AJ won the TV title and just defeated Dreamer in the main event. Desmond has been winning with Magnus. Beer Money won two matches against MCMG and scored a pinfall in the finale. Morgan won on the whole f'in show. Abyss just practically murdered the WHC. I just do not see the heels never winning even once and a while.

Small question, how many matches did Abyss fight, loose and then nearly kill his opponent. Actually that's my point they dont win and Im talking about Main Event. They gave AJ TV title to make people stop talking about how ppl from outside come and take everything

 

[The Viper Orton]

I have no idea why they do it but its ridiculous. Rvd,Hardy,Pope,Anderson win every match there put it. The only way the faces loose is by cheating so theres really no glory these days for the heels. Pisses me off. Much rather be living back in the good old days of TNA. There were some classics. This year has not got my attention.

That actually sumarizes what I want to say

And I say this because they are all lost because of Hogan/Bischoff.

This company needs someone like Triple H!! Or a younger Flair who can actually wrestle.

 

[Midcard Fame]

I believe that the reason that all four of the semi-finalist are faces is because "TNA management" for lack of a better term has no faith in any of the heels, at least any of the heels they feel are "main event" material. I feel the only one that would be up to task, for the mere fact that he is a former World Champion is Abyss. Who else is a credible World Champion or could be booked to become a credible World Champ? I don't think anyone else is up to par. Matt Morgan MIGHT be, but I would not buy him as World Champ, especially due to the fact that he is in a stable, and he's not even near the top of the stable. They pushed for Frankie or AJ to be at the top of the stable. Matt Morgan had to fight his way in and isn't very high in the pecking order. So, I feel it makes sense.