Why Don't We See the WWE and Stone Cold Work Together More Often?

[Hard Hit Prince]

Facts:

The Rock,
1.Holds the record of drawing most major shows with 10,000+ attendance on top in one calendar year.[Broke Hulk Hogan's(1986) and Steve Austin's(1998) record in 1999 and set a record of headlining over 100 shows with 10,000 plus people in attendance in the year 2000. A box-office drawing record that is unsurpassed till date.] Source: Dave Meltzer

First and foremost in 1999 Steve Austin was an active wrestler and was put into pretty much every main event of every pay-per-view (9) including WrestleMania and SummerSlam, two of the biggest shows in the whole year. If Austin didn't got away due to an injury, 2000 would still be a similar year, mainly because Austin was the guy that put the company once again in the map and continue growth. It was not Rock solely that made people tune in. People were already tuning in BEFORE Rock. So your "facts" are ARGUABLY... That is how a market works! When a big star leaves it takes some time until the company feels the effects, it's not over night.

2.Holds the record of main-eventing almost 17 PPVs that have got over 500k buys during that time period.

Once again I really have to rely on the market, because it was growing at a great pace and that is because of Austin. Austin was a main event star in 1997 even though he wasn't the champion at the time, it was a steady grow. Also Austin was in at least 5 or 6 of those PPVs and most of those had more than one single's match so crediting Rock for it is ridiculous.

Also much of the PPV's in 2000 lost buys when compared to 1999, something like Royal Rumble and SummerSlam, which are the big ones. However Survivor Series 1999 (THAT DID NOT HAD AUSTIN) grew to Survivor Series 2000 (THAT HAD AUSTIN). Do you still think that what you're saying is a "fact"?

3.Sold more merchandise than anyone active between mid 1999-2001.

Don't you find it curious that "mid 1999" Austin wasn't there... 2000 Austin wasn't there and in 2001 he was a heel? And I'll give you the best they did as far as merchandise goes (where Austin is the biggest draw in that regard ever)

1> Steve Austin -13 million(1998)
2> Dwayne Johnson -11 million(2000) (Austin wasn't there until the end of the year and wasn't promoted in any way shape or form)

This is according to Meltzer, and the WWF in 2000 was the hottest promotion and, not because they all coincidentally started to tune in 2000 and stayed.

These are the FACTS and clearly show Rock surpassed Austin and was the WWE top babyface post 1999, hence the reason they turned Austin heel.

Your "facts" are very questionable. People seem to forget that in 1998 Rock was a project and in 1999 it was the year that Rock had his first main event run. In 2000 the WWF was on fire regardless of Austin or Rock, as far as I see 2000 revenue could very well be credited to HHH as much as The Rock.

But It Austin who asked for the heel turn, not the company so you are wrong again. As I showed you, Rock didn't surpass Austin when he was an active babyface wrestler with him at the same time as the year 2002 showed with Austin being bigger.

Rock was Hogan was exactly like Rock vs Cena of that generation.
Now keep believing what you want and stay in denial.

It was nothing like it. Rock was #2 of his generation, Hogan wasn't. Keep making a fool out of you.

 

[TheOneAndOnlyGOAT]

First and foremost in 1999 Steve Austin was an active wrestler and was put into pretty much every main event of every pay-per-view (9) including WrestleMania and SummerSlam, two of the biggest shows in the whole year. If Austin didn't got away due to an injury, 2000 would still be a similar year, mainly because Austin was the guy that put the company once again in the map and continue growth. It was not Rock solely that made people tune in. People were already tuning in BEFORE Rock. So your "facts" are ARGUABLY... That is how a market works! When a big star leaves it takes some time until the company feels the effects, it's not over night.

Rock drew way more than Austin.

Also much of the PPV's in 2000 lost buys when compared to 1999, something like Royal Rumble and SummerSlam, which are the big ones. However Survivor Series 1999 (THAT DID NOT HAD AUSTIN) grew to Survivor Series 2000 (THAT HAD AUSTIN). Do you still think that what you're saying is a "fact"?

Austin was advertised for the main event of SS99 lol.

 

[OYDK]

I have been wondering this for a long time now since SCSA was easily my favorite wrestler during the AE. I've always thought, why can't he just make an appearance for the fans... Hogan did it, Flair did it, Rock, hell even Jake the Snake made an appearance at Old School Raw. However after reading many of his interviews over the year it seems that SCSA is really open for a return since he has said numerous times that he is open for one more match and he is in great "physical ring shape". I was surprised to hear that Austin was backstage at Raw and wasn't booked to make an appearance or wasn't even approached to make a future appearance. I think WWE is distancing itself from SCSA for some reason which I find stupid considering he was arguably their biggest star and kept them ALIVE. I'm not saying I necessarily want to see him in a match, but would I pay money to watch Trip, Vince, or Cena eat a stunner? OH HELL YEAAAA

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

The Rock became WWF's biggest star after 2000 and the face of the company.

Troll I'm not going to have this discussion with you all over again. I have no problem if you hate The Rock but at least admit he was the face of the company when WWF signed Hogan and before that.

He was not WWF's biggest star lol. Specially not in 2002 for WrestelMania X8.

Austin was the #1 guy but Rock clearly took over and was the biggest star at that time.

Like I said, Rock was #1 when Austin was out of the company and a heel. Much like Bryan would be #1 if Cena turned heel or left.

HHH, Foley, Jericho... all said Rock was the face of WWE at one time but of course to all of you delusional Rock haters, Rock was #2 to Austin huh?

Now I've read Jericho's book and Foley's book and I don't remember that ever happen. Those guys are not idiots to call Rock the babyface of the company when he was competing with babyface Austin for the #1 spot.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4519988.html
WWF were planning for Austin to turn heel and job to Rock at WM2000.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...austin-on-whose-idea-it-was-to-turn-him-heel/

The heel puts the babyface over. Booking 101.

Rock was clearly more popular than SCSA at the time and clearly was heading to become the new face of WWF regardless if Austin stayed or not. Actually him staying would've clearly made Rock the undisputed number 1.

This is false. Right after Austin returned in 2000 he was clearly put into the main event spot right out of the bat. He went on to beat Rock at WM17.

I blame the idiot who came up with the "I did it for The Rock" storyline that led to brainwashed idiots like you thinking Rock wouldn't have become number.

lol sure!

Go watch SS 2001 Triple Threat Match advertised Rock vs Hunter vs Austin.

Everyone holding Rock signs, EVERYONE.

EVERYONE is CHANTING "YES!".. EVERYONE!!!! What? Daniel Bryan is the face of the WWE? Yes, once again you're wrong and this has gotta be the worst argument you've ever made.

Go watch Nov.1 99 RAW, fans go nuts to Rock and boo Austin when his name is mentioned.

This was ONE SHOW... Cena should tell you what a "boo" means in regard of being the face of the company. So should Hogan...

How was Rock #2 and Austin #1 when Austin was teaming with Bradshaw and feuding with Hall and X-Pac?

Do you even know why Austin was teaming with Bradshaw against The NWO? Doesn't it make sense that Austin was playing up his storyline to further up his rivalry against them towards WM18? What did you want him to do in a logical stand point? Leave the company or get the big paycheck at Mania? He could have worked with HHH at WrestleMania 18 though and it was a rumored match actually. That doesn't prove anything...

WWF wanted Lesnar to beat Hogan on SD and Austin on RAW and face their BIGGEST STAR at the PPV (SummerSlam) Rock not austin.

This is a lot of speculation. I want sources... As far as I see it, it was WWE making Lesnar big. The Rock was not even with the company at this time in period.

When WWE was reaching out to Goldberg, they wanted Rock vs Goldberg at WM19. BECAUSE ROCK WAS NUMBER 1!

Again this is speculation. I want sources and the ones I found were actually to have Goldberg go over Rock at WM19 and lose to Austin at WM20.

Rock main evented 12 PPVs as a babyface in 2000 (certainly a jobber not a face of the company).

He main evented 9 PPV's in 2000 and most of them were with a lot more other stars in multi man matches. Also in 2000 he didn't had to compete with Austin.

Austin's return match in No Mercy took a backseat to Rock-Angle for the WWF title.

It made sense in a booking stand point. A month later Rock was the one that took a backseat.

Rock's return match at Summerslam 01 didn't take a backseat to Austin-Angle for the WWF title, it was THE MAIN EVENT. And Rock wasn't absent for a year.

In 2001 you didn't had WCW vs. WWF storyline being so hot. And clearly didn't had a stupid booking decision like making midcarder causing Rock's absence. You are taking way too much from that. Cena returned at HIAC and he wasn't the main event either to the Bryan vs. Orton match... Cena is still the #1.

Austin main evented against Triple H at Survivor Series 2000, most hyped match on the card and that PPV had the lowest PPV buyrate of the year.

And it was a growth from the previous year (1999 with Rock in the ME). SummerSlam 2000 on the other hand...

WWF didn't trust Austin to put him on the main event of PPVs again in a one on one match.

Except the biggest show of the year... What? How could they?

The next 5 PPVs main event featured The Rock until Rock left post-WMX7.

When The Rock returned, his matches with Shane and Book were main eventing on RAW despite Austin being red hot as a heel being the leader of the Alliance and Angle was portrayed as a babyface American hero.

Rock pinned Austin in the SS2001 match and was scheduled to face/beat him at WMX8.

He didn't even pinned him clean. Have you seen this match? Austin had him beat and he was a heel.

WWE wanted that match to happen so Rock can become the undisputed #1 until they signed Hogan.

Sources? Beating the heel isn't exactly making you #1.

Hogan putting over Rock would've been 10X bigger.

In what world? Yours? Sources also?

The plan was from the start Hogan vs Rock, even Hogan mentioned it in an interview with OTR.

Yeah, Hogan also said in interviews that he was supposed to be a part of Metallica lol and that he broke his back performing the slam do Andre and all those ridiculous stuff.

Rock, unlike Austin who was dealing with nagging injuries, was the only one who could carry Hogan to a proper match.

Maybe Austin didn't want to work with Hogan too? Also Austin is the one to tell you that the match would suck.. oh yeap he did.

Despite many fans wanting to see Hogan vs Austin, it was never the plan and honestly it wouldn't made any sense for it to happen at WMX8 considering in 2002, Rock was levels ahead of Austin.

It was the original plan and Rock was never levels ahead of Austin. Booking wise he had to be because he was facing Hogan, while Austin was facing Hall. WrestleMania plans are usually thought way before Royal Rumble to make the booking logical. In 2001 Austin was in 8 (9 including Rumble) PPV main events. He was also in the main event of Vengeance, right after Jericho pinned Rock. As you can see the biggest match was Jericho v. Austin and not Jericho v. Rock.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

Rock drew way more than Austin.






Austin was advertised for the main event of SS99 lol.

Thats a great chart and everything, but it doesn't take into consideration the fact that Austin was the guy who breathed life back into the company when it was getting DESTROYED by WCW.

I think Austin and the Rock are pretty close, I'm not going to vehemently say that it HAS to be Austin over the Rock.

But without Austin's breaking out, and leading the initial push of the Attitude Era, its not a definite that the Rock would have gotten the numbers shown in said chart.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

Rock drew way more than Austin.

This just proves that since Austin won the title, the company started to grow in popularity. The market as a whole started to grow. After WCW folded the market was going to suffer a big hit, and it did, one year later. Because things don't happen overnight. When Rock won the title he was an uppermidcarder at best, in fact he was pretty much lost and NEEDED the heel turn. In 1999 Austin was the #1 ence why the ratings kept on growing and getting even for 2000 (partly because Austin made the company grow). To conclude this: I'm right. Steve Austin was the WWF and everybody knew that. When you talk Attitude Era you talk Steve Austin, which is also a proof of public perception. The Rock is actually one of my favorites of all time, but being a favorite doesn't mean that I have to lie about what he really meant for the company.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

First and foremost in 1999 Steve Austin was an active wrestler and was put into pretty much every main event of every pay-per-view (9) including WrestleMania and SummerSlam, two of the biggest shows in the whole year. If Austin didn't got away due to an injury, 2000 would still be a similar year, mainly because Austin was the guy that put the company once again in the map and continue growth.

2000 "would be" a similar year? There is no could be or would be. We are talking about facts not make-believe hypotheticals.

Once again I really have to rely on the market, because it was growing at a great pace and that is because of Austin. Austin was a main event star in 1997 even though he wasn't the champion at the time, it was a steady grow. Also Austin was in at least 5 or 6 of those PPVs and most of those had more than one single's match so crediting Rock for it is ridiculous.

Who is talking about 1997? Don't deflect from the topic.

Also much of the PPV's in 2000 lost buys when compared to 1999, something like Royal Rumble and SummerSlam, which are the big ones. However Survivor Series 1999 (THAT DID NOT HAD AUSTIN) grew to Survivor Series 2000 (THAT HAD AUSTIN). Do you still think that what you're saying is a "fact"?

Average PPV buyrates for the year 1998,1999 and 2000

1998: 1.03
1999: 1.25
2000: 1.34 Most successful year for WWF/WWE fianancially (The year Rock was on top)

Don't you find it curious that "mid 1999" Austin wasn't there... 2000 Austin wasn't there and in 2001 he was a heel?

And? In that time period Rock got more popular, drew more fans,sold more merchandise and hence surpassed Austin.

But It Austin who asked for the heel turn, not the company so you are wrong again.

You really think a company would turn their biggest draw heel unless they have found a new guy who could rival his spot? If you do, then you are not even worth debating with.

It was nothing like it. Rock was #2 of his generation, Hogan wasn't.

1997-early 1999 - Austin #1 guy,

Mid-1999-onwards -Rock was the #1 guy

Conclusion,
Austin was popular, Austin got injured, Austin left, Rock surpassed Austin in popularity and became the bigger star and replaced Austin as the company's new top guy.
/debate.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

2000 "would be" a similar year? There is no could be or would be. We are talking about facts not make-believe hypotheticals.

This is not "hypothetiticals", this is how a market works. Rock worked, because Austin made the company big. Rock was in the WWF in 1997/1998 and he wasn't the one to put the company at top of WCW. It was Austin. Were you expecting people to tune of a show INSTANTLY because the top act was injured? That doesn't happen that way.




Who is talking about 1997? Don't deflect from the topic.

Average PPV buyrates for the year 1998,1999 and 2000

1998: 1.03
1999: 1.25
2000: 1.34 Most successful year for WWF/WWE fianancially (The year Rock was on top)

It was expected to happen. The Rock being or not being on top doesn't matter. If Austin hadn't got injured in 1999, who knows how much bigger would 2000 be than what it really turned out...

And? In that time period Rock got more popular, drew more fans,sold more merchandise and hence surpassed Austin.

And? AND? Are you stupid? Are you expecting Austin to be #1 merch wise by being away from a company from a straight year? Are you expecting a heel to outgross a babyface? When was the last time that you saw that happen? Everytime Austin was a babyface full time of course, he had a lot of new material to sell - I'll tell you this much: "AUSTIN 3:16" t-shirt is estimated to be in the top 20 most selled t-shirts in the history of TSHIRTS.

You really think a company would turn their biggest draw heel unless they have found a new guy who could rival his spot? If you do, then you are not even worth debating with.

The Rock was a great draw, nobody is saying otherwise. He was the #2 though. Being #2 back then means much more than being #2 right now. Also as soon as Austin turned heel, Rock left so it's not like they HAD Rock. This wasn't a factor.

1997-early 1999 - Austin #1 guy,
Mid-1999-onwards -Rock was #1

Bullshit. Being the absolute #1 of a company isn't like that.

Conclusion,
Austin was popular, Austin got injured, Austin left, Rock surpassed Austin in popularity and became the bigger star and replaced Austin as the company's top guy.

As I said it wasn't like that. Things don't happen in a day to another, it takes time. You just don't know anything about how a market works and how a business works. Austin was and still is the #1 guy from the Attitude Era, debating that is so ridiculous. It's like telling Savage was the #1 because he actually main evented some things without Hogan lol.

/debate.

This shouldn't even be a debate. You never won a wrestling debate with anyone. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[OYDK]

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1997-early 1999 - Austin #1 guy,

Mid-1999-onwards -Rock was the #1 guy

Conclusion,
Austin was popular, Austin got injured, Austin left, Rock surpassed Austin in popularity and became the bigger star and replaced Austin as the company's new top guy.
/debate.

Dude... did you watch WWE in 1999? The Rock was just coming into his own in 99, his mic work was decent his ring work wasn't great and he wasn't completely over UNTIL HE LOST TO AUSTIN AT WM 15.
At this point Austin was OVER and I would know because I just finished watching the 1999 Raws. IMO HHH was more over than the Rock in 99... Rock became #1 truly after he faced Hogan at WM 18 imo.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

This is not "hypothetiticals", this is how a market works. Rock worked, because Austin made the company big. Rock was in the WWF in 1997/1998 and he wasn't the one to put the company at top of WCW. It was Austin. Were you expecting people to tune of a show INSTANTLY because the top act was injured? That doesn't happen that way.

Make more excuses. You were obviously not even watching wrestling at that time when Rock was getting bigger reactions while Austin was on the card after his return.

There is a reason WWE wanted to have Rock vs Brock as the main-event of Summerslam for the Undisputed title and not Brock vs Austin. Obviosuly WWE knew more than you. Keep living in denial.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

If you want to use statistics, and ignore any semblance of context in the situation, then there is no point in arguing the point with you. But I'll try...

It's simple. If it were not for Austin leading the charge and bringing the WWE up to the level that he did, the Rock probably wouldn't have had the OPPORTUNITY to get the numbers that he did.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

The Rock was just coming into his own in 99, his mic work was decent his ring work wasn't great and he wasn't completely over UNTIL HE LOST TO AUSTIN AT WM 15.

We are talking about when Austin left that is mid-1999, not while Austin was there.


Also nobody is saying Austin wasn't great or wasn't the top guy.

But pretending that Rock was never the top guy (which he obviously was post-1999) is just stupid.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

Make more excuses. You were obviously not even watching wrestling at that time when Rock was getting bigger reactions while Austin was on the card. There is a reason WWE wanted to have Rock vs Brock as the main-event of Summerslam for the Undisputed title and not Brock vs Austin.

I watched every single episode from the Attitude Era, I downloaded all the shows and even the specials in the UK and Sunday Night Heat. I watched it all, I watched the crappy midcard turning into something a lot better. I watched it all, thus why I'm telling you why Austin was/is the absolute face of that era. You are basing way too much on that one match that Lesnar went over.

Austin vs. Lesnar could headline any PPV in any company, sport. Both Austin and Rock were supposed to be lambs to make Lesnar a main eventer and that does not make either man better than the other. I could see why Rock was #1 at this time in period, Austin clearly didn't have much in him and despite that only god knows if Austin wasn't going to be involved in this match as well. When it counted Austin returned to do the honors to either HHH or Rock at WM19 and go away for good from the business (his words). A fantastic way to go if I must say.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

We are talking about when Austin left, not while Austin was there.



Also nobody is saying Austin wasn't great or wasn't the top guy.

But pretending that Rock was never the top guy (which he obviously was post 1999) is just stupid.

He was a top guy... He wasn't THE top guy, the ONE THAT DEFINED THE ERA. Never was. Probably in 2000 when Austin wasn't there, but as soon as Austin returned he was #1. See the freaking shows. It was clear that Austin was #1. The reason why Rock was successful was because Austin was successful. If Rock had left with Austin in 1999, I'm pretty sure that Mankind, HHH, Undertaker, Angle and Jericho would have made 2000 as much successful as it was.

Rock and Austin were both top guys, but there is a small difference between the two. Austin defined that era, as much as Hogan defined the Golden Era and as much as Cena defined the PG Era. Hell the name Attitude Era should tell you this much... It's not "The SmackDown Era!" or every other thing, it's an Austin influence even the name of the era. Leave it as it be.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

"The reason why Rock was successful was because Austin was successful"

"Rock became big because Austin was gone".

Thats like saying if it wasn't for Shawn Michaels' (1st) retirement, Austin would've never been the man.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

"The reason why Rock was successful was because Austin was successful"

"Rock became big because Austin was gone".

Thats like saying if it wasn't for Shawn Michaels' (1st) retirement, Austin would've never been the man.

Nope. Austin was already bigger than Michaels by WM14.

EDit: This is a great subject for a thread. Go create it on the Old School Section!! What if Michaels didn't retire?".. Maybe Rock would need more time to get to the main event.. I don't know.

 

[OYDK]

We are talking about when Austin left that is mid-1999, not while Austin was there.


Also nobody is saying Austin wasn't great or wasn't the top guy.

But pretending that Rock was never the top guy (which he obviously was post-1999) is just stupid.

I agree that the Rock was THE top guy, but I can't say he was in 1999 because getting hurt DOES NOT take you out of that top spot (Look at Cena).
If you are looking at THE ATTITUDE ERA AS A WHOLE, Austin was clearly THE guy, and Austin going over Rock at WM 17 proved that. Again I'll say I think The Rock took over that spot after he beat Hogan. OH and it also really pissed me off that Austin basically passed him the torch at WM 19 and Rock ended up leaving 2 years later... (not relateable just had to get that off my chest)

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Nope. Austin was already bigger than Michaels by WM14.

If it wasn't for McMahon, Austin wouldn've never been as big. Matter of fact, as soon as their fued ended, Austin was getting stale real quick, real fast.

And, I suggest you guys go rewatch Raw from around August 1999 onward. Vince was heavily promoting Rock instead of Austin in commercials and ads because the plan was for Austin to drop the title to Rock at Mania 16. Austin being smart knew it would hurt his character so he left for surgery.

 

[TheOneAndOnlyGOAT]

Nope. Austin was already bigger than Michaels by WM14.

The Rock was already bigger than Austin by survivor series 1999.

See you're owning yourself.

Give it up kid.

We all know you're a kiddy John Cena fan who is educated about wrestling via marks on the internet.

Austin defined the Attitude Era no doubt but saying Rock was never the face of the company or that he wasn't bigger than Austin post late 99 is absolute blasphemy

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

And, If it wasn't for McMahon, Austin wouldn've never been as big. Matter of fact, as soon as their fued ended, Austin was getting stale real quick real fast.

And, I suggest you guys go rewatch Raw from around August 1999 onward. Vince was heavily promoting Rock instead of Austin in commercials and ads because the plan was for Austin to drop the title to Rock at Mania 16. Austin being smart knew it would hurt his character so he left.

Austin was injured. What the hell? Also Austin getting stale... Hogan was stale. Cena is stale... Pretty much everyone reaches that point and that doesn't really affect drawing powers. I believe that the idea was to make Austin drop the title to Rock at WM16, as a matter of fact it would make sense. I don't know what you are trying to take away from that though... Bryan beat Cena cleanly. Warrior beat Hogan cleanly... Neither were/are THE GUY for that. It would still take a lot of time.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

The Rock was already bigger than Austin by survivor series 1999.

See you're owning yourself.

Give it up kid.

We all know you're a kiddy John Cena fan who is educated about wrestling via marks on the internet.

Austin defined the Attitude Era no doubt but saying Rock was never the face of the company or that he wasn't bigger than Austin post late 99 is absolute blasphemy

WHAT? Rock WAS BIGGER THAN AUSTIN IN HIS FIRST YEAR IN THE MAIN EVENT?

I'll try to compare to an era that you actually watched: The Rock is like Daniel Bryan now. People like the guy a lot. Austin is like Cena. People say they don't care, yet you go see the numbers and while Cena is worth 100 million dollars of income to the WWE, Austin was worth 200 million (current values with inflation and stuff). You know nothing about what you are saying. It's ridiculous. The Rock was NEVER THE MAN.

 

[Slbrey]

From what I understand Austin will only work with WWE if it makes sense for him to be there...He doesent wanna just show up on a legends night or something....He would have been on Raw 1000 but he just got off of some sort of surgery and opted out of showing up on the show since he couldn't do a stone cold stunner...which is understandable.

Seeing as Austin has had a hand in promoting the WWE network and WWE granted him permission to interview with a handfull of talent for his podcast it's safe to be hopeful that Austin will maybe have a role at WrestleMania 30 or even appear on Raw Monday leading up to the network launch.

 

[TheOneAndOnlyGOAT]

WHAT? Rock WAS BIGGER THAN AUSTIN IN HIS FIRST YEAR IN THE MAIN EVENT?

I'll try to compare to an era that you actually watched: The Rock is like Daniel Bryan now. People like the guy a lot. Austin is like Cena. People say they don't care, yet you go see the numbers and while Cena is worth 100 million dollars of income to the WWE, Austin was worth 200 million (current values with inflation and stuff). You know nothing about what you are saying. It's ridiculous. The Rock was NEVER THE MAN.

Son The Rock was the man after 1999.

Comparing it to an era I actually watched? LMFAO!!

I lived the attitude era little boy, you just said earlier you downloaded attitude era episodes and watched them.

Little boy you are a Cena fan, nobody in the world likes Cena unless they grew up watching him and kept liking him after they became adults.
I say you're between the age 14-17 years old.

Am I correct?

You don't have to answer me.


Are you comparing it to an era that I actually watched or YOU actually watched?


Funny how you keep, mentioning the whole Bryan-Cena example.

Face it kiddo, if Austin was "Cena", they wouldn't turn him heel.

WWE turned him heel because they find his replacement (The Rock).


Why am I even talking to you? You are extremely ret@rded

 

[TheOneAndOnlyGOAT]

Austin was injured. What the hell? Also Austin getting stale... Hogan was stale. Cena is stale... Pretty much everyone reaches that point and that doesn't really affect drawing powers. I believe that the idea was to make Austin drop the title to Rock at WM16, as a matter of fact it would make sense. I don't know what you are trying to take away from that though... Bryan beat Cena cleanly. Warrior beat Hogan cleanly... Neither were/are THE GUY for that. It would still take a lot of time.

When Hogan lost to warrior, Cena lost to Bryan, they were still babyfaces.
Austin was supposed to turn heel and lose to Rock.

Lol you're owning yourself

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

Son The Rock was the man after 1999.

Comparing it to an era I actually watched? LMFAO!!

I lived the attitude era little boy, you just said earlier you downloaded attitude era episodes and watched them.

Little boy you are a Cena fan, nobody in the world likes Cena unless they grew up watching him and kept liking him after they became adults.
I say you're between the age 14-17 years old.

Am I correct?

You don't have to answer me.


Are you comparing it to an era that I actually watched or YOU actually watched?


Funny how you keep, mentioning the whole Bryan-Cena example.

Face it kiddo, if Austin was "Cena", they wouldn't turn him heel.

WWE turned him heel because they find his replacement (The Rock).


Why am I even talking to you? You are extremely ret@rded

I'm 22 and I watched the Attitude Era a lot more recently than you. The Rock was never the man, you are a idiot mark. That's why the first name people come up after hearing Attitude Era is Austin. He was the man in that time period. After his second walk out, he probably wasn't the man anymore. After his first injury that lasted nearly a year he was still the man. He turned heel because he wanted to, not because WWE told him to. They didn't find his replacement, because his replacement was gone for the remaining of the year and only caught Austin's final days as an heel pretty much.

Those are the 4 guys that were "THE MAN": Bruno Sammartino, Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin and John Cena.. All the others were greats but never were the ones. Being a Cena fan is actually a statement of how much more intelligent I am than you, specially because I back it up and because the guy is still #1 for a reason, making you and all the guys that hate Cena pretty much idiots. Also I'm pretty sure guys that watch WWE for over 20 years support Cena and see the value in him. Only some idiots like yourself don't.