Why doesnt WWE add Starrcade?

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That was WCW Wrestlemania I think it would fit perfect right before Rumble. That would give WWE 4 must watch PPV in a row in my opinion.

Starrcade,Rumble,Elimination Chamber,Wrestlemania thats a good run of PPV's The name's alone sells their self.

I hope one day they bring back Starrcade.
 
Well, they wouldn't do that now because all of their PPVs are themed gimmick PPVs, besides the big 4. But it definitely would've made sense back when they had all normal names, especially when they brought back Great American Bash.

If they ever get away from gimmicky PPVs, I could see it happening. Starrcade, Great American Bash, and a few others.
 
How does the name sell itself any more than the names that have been dropped in recent years in terms of the literal titles like TLC or MITB? Starrcade hasn't been held in over a decade, and there is no evidence that resurrecting dead WCW brand shit would connect with anyone beyond hardcore fans in 2011.
 
How does the name sell itself any more than the names that have been dropped in recent years in terms of the literal titles like TLC or MITB? Starrcade hasn't been held in over a decade, and there is no evidence that resurrecting dead WCW brand shit would connect with anyone beyond hardcore fans in 2011.

As the name can be used to book the way the PPV will happen. For example you know a TLC PPV will be based around TLC and its got to the point of seen it before so why have so many of the same matches in one night. Starrcade, you can talk about its history, you can big it up like its a major thing and you book top class matches. You could give it importance, which you can never possibly do with TLC because everybody knows what to expect.
 
I really don't think Starrcade would work now anyway, because if i remember correctly, it was basically a NWA/WCW answer to Wrestlemania. It worked for the Bash because it wasnt a PPV held in as high of a regard as Starrcade was.

I could also just be blowing smoke out my ass lol, I dont know.
 
Why would the WWE try and bring Starrcade back now? It would make now sense!!!

It has been 10 years since the last Starrcade. Starrcade was created before Wrestlemania and was actually one of the events that inspired Wrestlemania.
As mentioned in previous posts, it was NWA/WCW's biggest event of the year. It was very similar to Wrestlemania.

However, Vince Mcmahon did not create Starrcade, he created Wrestlemania. Wrestlemania is "the Grandaddy of the all" and is the most sucessful and longest running wrestling event ever. The WWE has no one on their active roster that is relevant or pertains to Starrcade. It would make no sense and would be an insult to name one of their ppv's Starrcade only to feature their current superstars who had nothing to do with what Starrcade was. They have Wrestlemania. That was Vince's vision and it was a damn good one. They should leave it at that. Their is no need to bring back Starrcade and it would make no sense. The reason they did the Great American Bash was because it was a smaller ppv with not as much history as Starrcade and the WWE had former WCW wrestlers at that time that they could put on the card that would pertain to The Great American Bash.
 
That would be great but not many of todays audience would know the refrence.. Unless the wcw hall of fame resurects peoples interest, then they could go with something like that. To celebrate the old wcw wrestlers. Since they've launched the retro wwf logo merch recently. They could bring back the WCW merch too.
Though For july Fatal 4way turned was a big disaster, so great american bash is perfect. A nice lead into summerslam and why not have tribute to the troops connected. Possibly take it off the military base and have other types of gimmick matches. Fatel 4way matches, last man standing, I quit, etc. It works regardless the of wcw name. Incorporate the red white and blue set with fireworks. Cena military crap.

though the name starcade is a little weird for today. What does it even mean?
 
How does the name sell itself any more than the names that have been dropped in recent years in terms of the literal titles like TLC or MITB? Starrcade hasn't been held in over a decade, and there is no evidence that resurrecting dead WCW brand shit would connect with anyone beyond hardcore fans in 2011.

WCW Starrcade was THE event before there was ever a WrestleMania and it set a precedent. It showed the audience the idea of a SuperBowl type event in the world of professional wrestling. And I have no doubt that Vince took a cue from this concept and created an even bigger vision for the business by refining the Jim Crockett Promotion's (The forerunner to WCW if you knew your history there PhD, and had respect as a wrestling fan, you'd remember that it actually wasn't WCW that created this event) concept for a mega event.

With that said though, I don't think Starrcade has any room to exist on the PPV calendar, I'd love to see it back in some respect but with the big four still in existence and those stupid themed PPVs which do nothing but rip fans off and distract from the lore of the other four events, putting Starrcade on the PPV calendar would ruin the legacy of the event even more than what WCW did to it in its last year of existence.

On a side note there PhD, Starrcade is far from being mere "dead WCW shit" like you said, Race vs Flair, Piper vs Valentine, Flair vs Vader, Rhodes Vs Flair (Both 84 and 85), Flair vs Sting are all classic matches. Those matches made the event what it was and makes it one of the greatest events ever. While I agree that at this time a lot of fans in this modern day and age may not care about a long since defunct event from an organization that got assimilated into WWE, it's a far cry from being just mere "shit". However, I will argue that there is evidence that bringing back WCW events can work even for a brief time. The Great American Bash lasted from 2004-2009, obviously WWE to some degree could resurrect a former JCP/NWA/WCW event for six years. Especially with the Starrcade DVD being a successful release a couple years back. My best advice to you is to not underestimate wrestling fans, they might surprise you sometimes especially if Vince has a change of heart and reintroduces the event. While I would not bet all the money in the world on Starrcade being brought back, you just never know what WWE might do.
 
I really don't think Starrcade would work now anyway, because if i remember correctly, it was basically a NWA/WCW answer to Wrestlemania. It worked for the Bash because it wasnt a PPV held in as high of a regard as Starrcade was.

I could also just be blowing smoke out my ass lol, I dont know.

While brief, you made a good point, that Starrcade and Great American Bash were not on the same level. However, the Bash was a highly regarded event by the wrestling world just the same, so seeing it brought back was a very interesting move. If anything the Bash was very close to being WCW's version of SummerSlam.

Just the same, you never know while it would seem redundant to bring Starrcade back to the PPV calendar, it's no worse than making Money In The Bank and Tables, Ladders, Chairs pay per views.
 
IF WWE was to ever replace Survivor Series with ANYTHING, Starrcade could be the answer. Starrcade was originally a November event before it became a December event. Survivor Series seems to be getting phased out with the addition of Bragging Rights and the recent overkill of elimination style tag matches this past year so I feel it will only be a matter of time before Survivor Series and the traditional Survivor Series match is gone. Replacing one of the biggest PPV's in WWE history with one of the biggest PPV's in OVERALL WRESTLING history would not be a bad idea. WWE could easily promote and educate the wrestling fans with a "Best of Starrcade" DVD box set since they own all the WCW and NWA footage and such. There were so many historic matches like the classic Ric Flair vs Harley Race cage match, the two Ric Flair vs Dusty Rhodes matches, Ric Flair vs Sting, the Battlebowls, Hogan vs Sting and I can even mention Goldberg vs Nash here. It would also be a way of bringing in old wrestling fans and setting the stage for an old school wrestling PPV with big name matches.
 
WCW Starrcade was THE event before there was ever a WrestleMania and it set a precedent. It showed the audience the idea of a SuperBowl type event in the world of professional wrestling. And I have no doubt that Vince took a cue from this concept and created an even bigger vision for the business by refining the Jim Crockett Promotion's (The forerunner to WCW if you knew your history there PhD, and had respect as a wrestling fan, you'd remember that it actually wasn't WCW that created this event) concept for a mega event.

With that said though, I don't think Starrcade has any room to exist on the PPV calendar, I'd love to see it back in some respect but with the big four still in existence and those stupid themed PPVs which do nothing but rip fans off and distract from the lore of the other four events, putting Starrcade on the PPV calendar would ruin the legacy of the event even more than what WCW did to it in its last year of existence.

On a side note there PhD, Starrcade is far from being mere "dead WCW shit" like you said, Race vs Flair, Piper vs Valentine, Flair vs Vader, Rhodes Vs Flair (Both 84 and 85), Flair vs Sting are all classic matches. Those matches made the event what it was and makes it one of the greatest events ever. While I agree that at this time a lot of fans in this modern day and age may not care about a long since defunct event from an organization that got assimilated into WWE, it's a far cry from being just mere "shit". However, I will argue that there is evidence that bringing back WCW events can work even for a brief time. The Great American Bash lasted from 2004-2009, obviously WWE to some degree could resurrect a former JCP/NWA/WCW event for six years. Especially with the Starrcade DVD being a successful release a couple years back. My best advice to you is to not underestimate wrestling fans, they might surprise you sometimes especially if Vince has a change of heart and reintroduces the event. While I would not bet all the money in the world on Starrcade being brought back, you just never know what WWE might do.

I fail to see how any amount of explanation of what Starrcade was changes anything about the fact that it is a brand name with zero value in 2011. The difference between 2004 and 2011 in pro wrestling is the equivalent of a generation gap.

The WWE already tried appealing to hardcore fans, and it bit them in the ass. Also, since 2004, they've had to compete with MMA for the PPV market, something they still haven't figured out. Isn't it clear from the PG shift that hardcore wrestling fans are no longer the target audience?

Furthermore, it should be quite evident from the PPV rebranding strategy of recent years that the old approach of the epicly titled even does not work. If the Survivor Series name, the company's oldest PPV concept, was seriously on the chopping block, why in the hell would a WCW name that hasn't been used in over a decade have any viability?

I know you thought you were going to show me up by making an unnecessariily long post about the legacy of Starrcade, but, like I said, what has happened to the business in the last 5 years has clearly changed the stakes. So, feel free to post another self-congratulatory post, but make sure it involves more than just rubbing one out to your NWA tape collection.
 
While brief, you made a good point, that Starrcade and Great American Bash were not on the same level. However, the Bash was a highly regarded event by the wrestling world just the same, so seeing it brought back was a very interesting move. If anything the Bash was very close to being WCW's version of SummerSlam.

Just the same, you never know while it would seem redundant to bring Starrcade back to the PPV calendar, it's no worse than making Money In The Bank and Tables, Ladders, Chairs pay per views.


Summerslam was the WWE/F version of the G.A.B. the Bash started a year before SS and Vince needed a "summertime" event to compete with Crockett at the time.

its a shame that people here only know WCW post 1994-95...or when Hogan debuted there.
 
Summerslam was the WWE/F version of the G.A.B. the Bash started a year before SS and Vince needed a "summertime" event to compete with Crockett at the time.

its a shame that people here only know WCW post 1994-95...or when Hogan debuted there.

You are right about GAB coming before SummerSlam, actually it was 1985 when the GAB started it was a toured event initially and not a televised one, so my last post was definitely not worded properly and I appreciate you reminding me of my error on that boss, good looking out. Either way though, my best intent was to merely say that GAB and SummerSlam were indeed equivalents to one another.

And you are right despite how I do have a liking and respect for Hogan's role in wrestling, there was definitely a WCW before him, and as a fellow fan of professional wrestling I appreciate you mentioning that, because I think some people fail to see that on here.
 
For the same reason the NFL doesn't have 2 Super Bowls, if you added Starrcade to the PPV line-up it would take away the "prestige" from both it and WM, and Vince is smart enough to know that he can still make money off Starrcade by just releasing DVD sets, and shit like that, he doesn't need the Starrcade name to sell a PPV, he's already got one that is far more successful and is a household name in WM

The only way I could ever see Vince adding Starrcade would be if he decided to scrap SummerSlam, and since SummerSLam is A.) his creation, and B.) still a successful PPV, I really don't see why he would bother doing that
 
I fail to see how any amount of explanation of what Starrcade was changes anything about the fact that it is a brand name with zero value in 2011. The difference between 2004 and 2011 in pro wrestling is the equivalent of a generation gap.

The WWE already tried appealing to hardcore fans, and it bit them in the ass. Also, since 2004, they've had to compete with MMA for the PPV market, something they still haven't figured out. Isn't it clear from the PG shift that hardcore wrestling fans are no longer the target audience?

Furthermore, it should be quite evident from the PPV rebranding strategy of recent years that the old approach of the epicly titled even does not work. If the Survivor Series name, the company's oldest PPV concept, was seriously on the chopping block, why in the hell would a WCW name that hasn't been used in over a decade have any viability?

I know you thought you were going to show me up by making an unnecessariily long post about the legacy of Starrcade, but, like I said, what has happened to the business in the last 5 years has clearly changed the stakes. So, feel free to post another self-congratulatory post, but make sure it involves more than just rubbing one out to your NWA tape collection.

Personally speaking, I can't help but notice how you are putting your foot in your mouth, I merely challenged something you said and feel that I have every right to do so. You are doing nothing but being disrespectful and inconsiderate to people who were and are fans of the WCW product. The fact that you choose to want to talk so negatively about a wrestling product shows that you have no respect for anyone else's viewpoints except your own which seem shallow and short sighted.

I never said that WWE should add Starrcade back to the PPV lineup, I just said I'd like to see it, but I also don't doubt it ever happening. Nothing is ever a certain in the wrestling business. And if you want to get technical WrestleMania predates the Survivor Series by a couple years and was on PPV first, so do your research better or admit when you're wrong which I doubt you'll do because you don't seem to have a single amount of any merit in your postings.

I'm not on this forum to outright attack you, but I have very little tolerance for people who do not speak objectively and want to disrespect other posters on this forum. It's your right to do so and not trying to stop you from that, but I advise you go start something in the spam forums if you want to speak like a tactless individual because the starter of this thread was trying to invite good conversation and a positive interaction in regards to a bygone era in wrestling and there's no need for you to come in here and attack me just because I questioned what you said. Never said it was wrong, just merely offered my two cents. However you love nothing more than resorting to telling me that my posts are self congratulatory and implying that I pleasure myself to NWA wrestling archives.

That says more about you than it could ever say about me.
 

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