Why Didn't Ortons Title Reign Become As Popular As Edges.

[Jack bruce]

well first off remember back in 2006 at new years resolution when edge came out of nowhere and stole the title, dude everyone was talking about it in my school in south carolina even people who didnt watch wrestling got the time written down for them. It was like the attitude era was comeing back i called my cuz, in north carolina hes not a big fan but he was all like guess what we were actually talking about wrestling today while the teacher was out today im going to watch it today. I was so happy during that time it was like attitude is about to happen to raw but heres the thing orton sorta got the belt from cena, to the same way why isnt anyone talking about that i mean i half way forgot his reign except the hardy part, why didnt he blow up like edge did and have fans remember his reign

 

[FromTheSouth]

Edge is better in the ring. Edge is better on the mic. Edge was already over as all hell from time as a tag team superstar. Edge doesn't shit in purses.

Everything about Edge is better than Orton. This is my opinion, and I am an Orton fan, but seriously, no matter what the WWE does for you, you still have to get yourself over, and Orton hasn't been able to do as well as Edge. The trend for over ten years in WWE is for heels to get over by being kinda cool, but in the end a dick. Orton's character is just a dick.

 

[Rusty]

I really liked Orton's title reign. It was refreshing at the time. Edge's first title reign lasted 3 weeks. While Orton's very first title reign in 2004 wasn't very long either, his recent title reign was pretty long. In my opinion, Orton's recent WWE title reign was more memorable than any of Edge's title reigns. Edge has never had a really long run with the big belt. While the Edge money in the bank cash-in back at New Years Revolution in 2006 was very memorable, the rest of the title reign meant nothing.

Randy Orton's title reign was booked very well in my opinion. He was usually the underdog, but always somehow managed to retain which is unusual for the heel. He beat Shawn Michaels, retained against Jericho, beat Jeff Hardy, retained against John Cena and most of all, the guy fricken retained at Wrestlemania. No heel has done that for about 6 or 7 years from memory. The reign really did launch him into a big time player. I can expect Randy to be in the title hunt when he returns. CM Punk vs Randy Orton is a match I really want to see.

At first people were bashing Orton's title reign, but as it continued people really started to like it. It was one of the best title run's in the past few years in my opinion. The guy was given a chance and he ran with it. The guy was made to be the WWE Champion.

 

[HBK-aholic]

I thought Orton as champion was great. He and Edge are both up there in my favourite superstars of the moment list. And both deserve recogition for being great wrestlers, as well as championship holders. I loved the Orton reign personally. I agre with Rusty in saying it was very well booked.

There was not one moment of Ortons title reign which I found boring, stale or repetitive. In fact I was hugely excited to see him defend the belt, and to feud with the different superstars.

The same goes for Edge though. His title reign was great. But Edge is slightly better than Orton. Which is the reason people orgasm over Edges rather than Ortons. However, Ortons wasn't worse than Edges by alot. And Orton deserves more recognition than he gets.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Orton's good, but he's not Edge good. He's played mainly a drawling psychopath and Edge has taken the much, much more charismatic route. That goes some way towards explaining why Edge has been a more memorable champion.

Then there's the way each won it. I actually had to think pretty hard about how Orton won it, then he came to be. He won it from Triple H in his third match of the night (not Triple H's third title defense, as many have mistakenly claimed). I mean, Jesus Christ, that's booking worthy of TNA. At least Triple H didn't come off looking the slightest bit weak, and can now be called a 12-time champion for the effort. Don't get me wrong, I like Orton as champion, I really do. He freshened up the old Cena/Triple H dullness, though not incredibly.

The way Edge has won his title has always been memorable. Well, not screwing Batista and Undertaker. That one was a little predictable. However, cashing in his MITB against Cena and Undertaker shook the wrestling world. I think that's where you'll find your answer.

 

[J.R Walker]

I think the reason that Edge's first title reign was more popular than Orton's first or even his latest was the "Triple H" effect that Cena had on the title picture at the time. Cena was champion from wrestlemania of that year without any losses and although I liked him at first I was growing wary of him espicially as he transitioned from Rapper to Marine.

Then all of a sudden Edge came in a stole the title. Things felt fresh and like someone said it reminded me of how things were in the Attitude era.

Maybe if Orton had taken the championship from Trips instead of Benoit whom I thought should have had a longer reign then maybe it would be more memorable.

And the "Live-Sex Celebration" the next night didn't hurt...

 

[klunderbunker]

To me, Orton as champion was an absolutely perfect heel reign. He came in, he won the title, he defended it against the brand's top faces, he defeated those top faces, and when there was no one left for him to defend against, he dropped the title. His finisher was absolutely devastating and it made you feel like he was never out of a match. He was able to dominate the show and his loss couldn'tve come at a more perfect time.

That being said, it was just boring to watch. This wasn't Orton's fault though, at least not to me. Edge was something we hadn't seen before. We had watched him grow up in front of our eyes in a manor that hasn't been seen since DDP in WCW. When he won the belt after the EC match, it was stunning. I was friends with a mega Cena mark and she went to bed "smiling" because he'd won. The next day I found her and almost made her cry telling her what happened. Edge shocked everyone and took the title. Orton's win was just random and it was like he was handed it due to injury to Cena. The main issue I had with him though, was that it always seemed like the belt was safe. Jericho wasn't going to get the title a month back, HBK, as much as I hate to admit it, isn't going to get the title again, Hardy just wasn't ready, and Cena, people were sick of. It never really felt like it was in danger until HHH came after it again. Edge it always felt like it was in danger, which to me at least, made it far more exciting of a reign.

 

[DeadmanInc.]

Edge's title reigns are more historic than Orton's. His first reign was the first MitB cash-in and no one saw it coming. Plus, the Live Sex celebration afterwards was the highest rated segment on RAW in years. His 3rd was another MitB cash-in and it started a year long feud with Undertaker. His 5th was won after he "retired" the Undertaker.

I think another reason people prefer Edge is because he has been around a lot longer, and in my opinion is far more charismatic and a better wrestler than Orton. He has worked his way up to main event status and he single handedly carried Smackdown and made it a watchable show. Not only that, he was associated with Vickie and thus got a lot of heat for "sleeping with" Eddie's widow. Even prior to Vickie, he had a lot of heat for having an affair with Lita.

The problem with all of Orton's reigns is Triple H. His first WHC reign was short lived and he was buried by Triple H over the next few PPV's. It wasn't until his feud with Undertaker did he become a credible main eventer again.

Orton's WWE title reign made him look really weak. He was GIVEN the title and then lost it less than an hour later to Triple H. Then he only wins it in a heavily gimmicked match. That made HHH look much superior than the WWE champion. He was well-booked for the rest of his reign but Triple H was the one who was getting most of the spotlight at the time. Unlike RAW, Smackdown was ALL about Edge/Vickie screwing over Undertaker and Batista. The WHC was the center of the show, as it should be.

 

[fiasco28]

well despite the fact that the title was given to him, it was a good run to me, and im a heavy orton fan, which is why i say this, yes edge's character might display more charisma, but ortons mic skills are above average, and so what he doesnt joke all the time, he's a serious more tougher heel than edge, i think edge is a softy, and a soft heel, and i like seeing heels talk shit and back their shit up, with crafty wins, or even clean wins, orton had some crafty and clean wins during his reign.

not to mention had a good clean win over both trips and cena at wrestlemania. its in my memory, just because edge wrestles in ladder matches and fire matches, which might be more exciting, doesnt mean he wrestles better than orton, i think their even in ring talent(orton is more crafty tho).

stop knocking orton people


p.s.- age of orton will come back, just watch

 

[Davi323]

This is an easy question for me to answer. When Edge has the belt, he stays entertaining. When Orton has the belt, all his promos become stale and boring. Orton was GREAT when he was chasing Cena for the title. His promos were well done, there was a lot of emotion in them. Once he got the belt, something happened, and he turned into this other guy, who bored us to death telling us about the legends he has beaten. It was the same promo week after week. It got old.

Edge on the other hand, is never dull on the microphone. When he has the belt, he turns it up, makes us hate him even more, which feeds him, which makes him keep it up. Edge is a perfect heel champion. His antics and promos make fans absolutely HATE him. The problem with Orton is that he was a perfect heel chasing the belt, but once he got it, he got boring. While Edge ramped it up a notch, Orton toned it down.

 

[TomSmithUK]

It's the difference in character that makes all the difference.

Personally, I enjoyed Orton's reign more, but Edges title wins are so much more dramatic, and controversial.

Win 1. MitB after Elimination chamber - Came from nowhere, the dynamic of MitB was never appreciated until that point

Win 3. MitB on a fallen Undertaker - The dynamic established, when the music hit, the top heel versus arguably the top face ever, the crowd was went mental, it was pure anger

Win 4. Ryder/Hawkins fakes - I Wasn't sure what was going off, all I knew was Edge stole the title

Win 5. Banishes 'Taker - Did anyone really see him winning with that Stipulation?


Edge plays off of an angry crowd, which is more over.
Orton plays off of a shocked crowd. The RKO typifying this, it comes from nowhere.

Orton's chase, was well managed, punting Cena's father, knocking off legends. Big impact moves that Edge doesn't use, the ropes DDT, the backbreaker.

Orton is not the 'cool heel' that Edge is, he's a heel. And it's harder to get over that way, efficiently retaining the title isn't as memorable, even though he spent his entire reign putting over the challenger. Jeff Hardy's huge swanton, HBK's revenge, Cena's return, Jericho's return. All bigger storylines, that went off around Orton, and he didn't steal the limelight, he just put on good matches where you hoped he'd lose. Which to me, is what a Heel should do. Orton's character has grown over the past year, and needs to continue the same way, so that people buy the PPV to see him lose. I don't watch an Edge match hoping he'll lose, a lot of the time I want him to win, which is not what a Heel should be, in my opinion

 

[TheGreatSPAMbino]

Its pretty simple, Randy Orton is not entertaining. He has absolutely nothing going for him other than the fact that he is a 3rd generation wrestler. He has that monotone voice, with dull and boring promos. He makes lance storm look like the rock in terms of promos. And in the ring he is Mr. Rest hold...the majority of his matches are dull and boring too, sometimes he steps it up but not as often as he should.

 

[WWEFan2000]

This is an easy question for me to answer. When Edge has the belt, he stays entertaining. When Orton has the belt, all his promos become stale and boring. Orton was GREAT when he was chasing Cena for the title. His promos were well done, there was a lot of emotion in them. Once he got the belt, something happened, and he turned into this other guy, who bored us to death telling us about the legends he has beaten. It was the same promo week after week. It got old.

Edge on the other hand, is never dull on the microphone. When he has the belt, he turns it up, makes us hate him even more, which feeds him, which makes him keep it up. Edge is a perfect heel champion. His antics and promos make fans absolutely HATE him. The problem with Orton is that he was a perfect heel chasing the belt, but once he got it, he got boring. While Edge ramped it up a notch, Orton toned it down.

With Orton, the character that he plays now is better suited for challenging for the title rather than defending the title IMO. Thats why Cena-Orton worked so great because he was this calculating psychopath that was always in attack mode whether it was against Cena, HBK or RVD. Basically he was the hunter and a darn good one. As a champion, it was a little bit different. Because everyone wanted the WWE title, he had to play the role of being the hunted when his strong suit was being the hunter.

I thought Orton had a good reign as champion. I agree to a certain extent that he was booked well. I don't think he was booked well for the first couple of the months when he fued with Y2J and HBK. Again, because both guys were returning, he could not play that role of being the hunter and he got beat up almost every week prior to the PPVs. However, after the Y2J fued, I agree that he was booked well. Winning at Wrestlemania transformed his title reign from an average reign to a good one.

I think Edge's reigns as champion is more memorable is because is a flashy, cool, sneaky heel that find ways to win through the misfortune of others and as many of you have stated, most of the time its controversial. Orton, on the other hand, doesn't win matches like Edge does and he isn't as flashy as Edge , sometimes even boring. But not being flashy fits Orton's character perfectly.

 

[Agrex]

Well that's simple. Edge is better than Randy Orton. In the ring, on the mic, with the belt. He is better. Anything Orton will ever do, will not add to the heat Edge got when he won the title from John Cena. Cena was a mega face, and Edge was a yet-to-be established top heel. When he got the cheap victory he was very hated. Now look at Orton's first title win, although he was a face, no one really cared. The highlight of his reign was winning the title. While Edge's first reign had a TLC match with Ric Flair, a "Live Sex Celebration", and plenty more heelish things to try, and get Edge more hated. I may admit that Orton did impress me with me with his 7-month reign as WWE champ recently. He did everything he could with the belt. And although it was memorable, and he accomplished a lot during that reign, people will still remember Edge's 2-month, 4-month reigns more. Simply because he's more over.

It's simple Edge's title reigns were more popular because he got himself over more than Orton did in his reigns, therefore Edge is a better wrestler. That's why Edge is more memorable.

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

I agree... it's all the way Edge won his World Championships, he won them by giving the fans more of a reason to hate him, as if they didn't have enough reasons, which is why Edge has 5 World title reigns now, while Orton has 3.
Edge's World Championships were won by...
1st reign: Edge cashes in his Money in the Bank contract against John Cena who had just defeated 5 other men in an ''Elimination Chamber match to retain the WWE Championship.
2nd reign: Edge defeats John Cena and defending champ R.V.D. in a ''Triple Threat'' match to win the WWE Championship.
3rd reign: Edge cashes in the Money in the Bank briefcase against a bloodied Undertaker who just endured a brutal steel cage match against Batista and an attack from Mark Henry and wins the World Heavyweight Championship.
4th reign: Edge defeats Undertaker and defending champion Batista in a ''Triple Threat'' match to win the ''World Heavyweight Championship when two ''Edge look-alikes'' interfere named Curt Hawkins & Zack Ryder.
5th reign: Edge defeats Undertaker to win the vacant World Heavyweight Championship in a ''TLC'' match when ''La Familia'' interfere and various points of the match.

As for Randy Orton his reigns were kinda more tame.
1st reign: Randy Orton as a heel defeats Chris Benoit (R.I.P.) cleanly and becomes the youngest World Heavyweight Championship in history.
2nd reign: Randy Orton is awarded the WWE Championship by Vince McMahon and William Regal after the previous champ John Cena is seriously injured.
3rd reign: Randy Orton defeats Triple H in a ''Last Man Standing'' match to win teh WWE Championship in the same night as his previous reign.

AS YOU CAN SEE EDGE AND RANDY ORTON'S REIGNS AS CHAMPIONS WERE COMPLETELY DIFFERNT... YOU BE THE JUDGE.

 

[EmersonFav1029]

In My opinion, neither of the reigns have been very popular, I've only become interested in who was world champion recently. I don't think its a good thing when your top storyline in the company doesn't involve the world title, and while Orton and Edge were champions they weren't really involved in very major fueds just the same old crap, I think edge is just obnoxious and not in the good way a heel is supposed to, i mean in the way JBL is where it's just so rediculous I want to change the channel, and Orton just doesn't seem ready for it yet, he had a nice little reign but I'm glad its over for both of them. I don't really agree with CM punk being world champion either but hey its a fresh start for RAW, and Moving Triple H to smackdown..Rediculous. I don't see it improving smackdown at all, smackdown hasn't been very entertaining in years, It was awesome back in the day when it first started. I honestly think WWE needs to end the Brand extension and cut back on it's roster. It's wayy to over saturated..its just like any other buisness there is too much going on.

 

[dabest]

Orton did have a very popular title reign so you're wrong in the title. Orton's a great WWE champion, he should be champion again when he returns. Randy Orton is much much better then Edge. All the Orton haters hate Randy Orton because Randy Orton is a heel. You're meant to hate him, it's good for the WWE. I'm with Randy Orton because I like him as a wrestler, performer and speaker. Edge's reign shouldn't even be compared to Orton's. Orton's reign was so much more exciting. Orton was owning Raw.

 

[Dead Kennedy]

Orton carried Raw on his back for the entire duration of his WWE Championship reign, one of the more impressive reigns in recent memory. He did that good a job. Actually, I wasn't into Edge's reign as WWE Champion at all. Edge is just so much better a heel now than he was then. Or perhaps I was ignorant? I don't know.

But I know that Orton was the one who "saved_us" from one long, boring year of SuperCena. He restored excitement to the WWE Championship division and his matches with Triple H at No Mercy, Shawn Michaels at Cyber Sunday and Chris Jericho at Armageddon were all match of the year candidates for me.

All I know is Edge did not manage to do that during his reign. It never felt like he was a dominant champion, just a transitional guy like CM Punk is now. It's very hard for a wrestler to make his reign his own when this happens, but it's still possible.

 

[dabest]

Orton carried Raw on his back for the entire duration of his WWE Championship reign, one of the more impressive reigns in recent memory. He did that good a job. Actually, I wasn't into Edge's reign as WWE Champion at all. Edge is just so much better a heel now than he was then. Or perhaps I was ignorant? I don't know.

But I know that Orton was the one who "saved_us" from one long, boring year of SuperCena. He restored excitement to the WWE Championship division and his matches with Triple H at No Mercy, Shawn Michaels at Cyber Sunday and Chris Jericho at Armageddon were all match of the year candidates for me.

All I know is Edge did not manage to do that during his reign. It never felt like he was a dominant champion, just a transitional guy like CM Punk is now. It's very hard for a wrestler to make his reign his own when this happens, but it's still possible.

I agree, and a lot of people don't appreciate him as WWE Champion. When Orton was champion he also saved us from a reign of booredom, during his title reign WWE Raw got higher ratings and was much more enjoyable to watch. Edge's title reign was as booring as hell and that's both times he was champion, this year and last year.

 

[Dark Blaze]

Sigh, I'm tired of this, almost everything everyone is saying here about why Edge is more memorable than Orton all comes down to booking....obviously a heel will get more recognition and stay in people's minds longer for winning the belt in the sneaky and controversial ways that Edge has won his titles. Which one will you remember more? Edge spearing the hell out of Cena/ Undertaker (two of the biggest crowd favorites) while they were bloody and bruised or Randy beating HHH in a LMS match in HHH's third match of the night and still not even doing it in a hugely dominating manner. Yeah...thought so.

I'm not hating on Edge, the dude's one of my favorite wrestlers EVER, he and Randy are tied on my list, but is it so hard for the Edge lovers to see that Edge receives way more favorable booking than Randy? The way they book Edge allows him to receive heel heat that Randy can dream of....I mean...who has the "powerful" (use that term loosely) stable behind him? Who has the boss in his pocket? (More like his pants...lol) who won his titles in the most sneaky and underhanded ways possible? Yeah, Edge. I always hate when people compare Randy and Edge because they're both completely DIFFERENT types of heels. Edge is a smart, scheming heel, the cunning type and sometimes cowardly heel. Whereas, Randy is meant to portray this psycopathic, obsessive heel. The only time you could possibly say Randy was cunning when he cashed in his rematch clause after HHH had 2 matches, that's all.

All I'm saying is while both of them had good reigns IMO (though Edge's were shorter and he had more ), they can't really be compared.

Edge won his first WHC from the Undertaker by cashing in his MITB and then by using the doppelgangers at Armageddon was it? Instant heel heat...and though the same could be said for Randy, it still gave him significantly less heat than Edge because people could just say that HHH had had three matches that night, weakening Randy significantly.

What happened next? While Edge got the hated heel manager as his girlfriend/ fiancee and had a stable backing him in his matches. Randy was by himself and had to resort to getting himself DQ'ed or counted out to retain his championship, the only times Randy won matches cleanly was when Shawn Michaels couldn't use SCM or when he was dominated a bit by Jeff hardy and by taking advantage of a pedigree from HHH. He was made to look weak through out his entire reign, and to be the sort of champion that no-one expected to win but did anyway while at the same time Edge was dominating the FUCK outta Smackdown.

And though, I will admit Edge had some of the best promos during his reign, much better than Randy's, you have to see that Randy was playing the slow methodical heel, you saw it in the way he spoke and walked and I find he potrayed that well. While Edge was playing the charismatic heel, the one who could get you on his side to help him out....two different heels.

So yeah, when saying that Edge's reigns are way more memorable (I even admit that), at least keep in mind that they were playing two completely different characters whose only shared characteristic basically was that they loved having the title and would do anything to get it.However, they went about chasing it in completely different ways (Randy is a better chaser, for sure). And I prefer cocky heel Orton compared to psycho Orton.

I love both of these guys, think that they're basically the present and future of the WWE right about now, especially Randy who is ONLY 28.

Wonder who'll take their time to actually read this

 

[Fizzy]

edge is better on the mic i wouldnt say in ring cause their about equal but yea orton sucks on the mic personally i like orton better even though he is absolutly horrid on the mic. i was never a big edge mark but i have to admit he is very very good on mic. another reason i think orton shoulda been a bigger champion then edge is edges finisher. a freakin spear with no power behind it what so ever ortons finisher is and looks deadly. to close this up the reason is mic skill tht is the lone reason edge was more over then orton

 

[Dragonslayer]

I believe Orton shouldn't be sold under his worth... Truth is, at present Edge probably makes the best heel WWE has, and the best heel champion too. But one thing you shouldn't forget - Edge is 34 years old now, and has been in WWE for 10 years now, while Orton is only 28 and has been for about 5 years - so give Edge the age difference of 6 years, plus about that amount of pure wrestling experience more with very different characters as both face and heel, compared to Orton's situation where he has technically been a heel ever since he started up; so while I think Randy hasn't done a bad job at all in his role as champion, he definitely has a few more tricks to learn that Edge already has up his sleeve - especially in the mic department; but Edge wasn't always as great is he is today either; hence my "experience" talk.

But I believe given some time and experience, Orton has the potential be a pretty successful main event guy in WWE for a long time - however of course WWE at some point will need to readjust his character, and if he is able to stay interesting, he could pull it off. For in all honesty - five years ago, did anyone really see Edge in the position of the ME guy that he has now?

In any case, I think that in both Edge and Orton, WWE has two very good heel characters who have a lot of potential; Edge will definitely be the focus of all things as long as he can keep going and doesn't tear his body apart too much - but Orton is a close second right now.

 

[leby_uk]

Ill be honest i loved Ortons title reign but didnt edges title reign last alot longer than Randy Ortons? for Ortons to even branch anywhere close to it.

And Edge suits the role more where he sneaks wins via DQ interfences blahblah. Orton is more suited to his role of a suprise RKO finish .

I like both wrestlers though but i perfer Ortons Style more to Edge give it time he'll be back win the title and bobs your uncle he'll be better than edge

 

[klunderbunker]

Part of the reason to me is that Edge was booked like a World Champion. He was the main storyline the entire time he had the belt and was fighting for the belt with all the help that he had. With Orton, it never really felt like he was more than a transitional champion waiting for the right time to drop the belt. When guys like Edge had the belt, it seemed like there was no real time that he was going to lose the belt. When Orton was champion, it was fairly obvious that he was going to lose it every time he fought for it, so why should we put any real stock in his reign?

 

[Shocky]

Edge pretty much has built himself on his own with the help of a few guys along the way, particularly Cena and Foley. Outside of that Edge has pretty much come to the main event level on his own, threw years of busting his ass from the lower card, to the tag ranks, to the mid card, to the eventual main event status. People relate with Edge because he's been in the company for a decade now, and even though he is a heel, people feel he has truly earned his spot.

Orton is good, but nowhere near as good in the ring as Edge. On the microphone, Orton is dull as a butter knife. Myself and IC25 got into a little debate about Jericho on the mic and being boring lately. I understand where he's coming from, Jericho needs to be a heel, so don't do anything that will get him cheered. I get that, but you can still be entertaining and not boring on the mic to get yourself into heel status. Edge is clearly a heel on the mic, yet his promos are entertaining and don't bore you to sleep like Jerichos recent attempts and Orton's trademark monotone monologues.

Plus, Orton has been pushed since he first started to come into the WWE. It wasn't a surprise when he won the world title, everyone new it was coming. I don't think Orton being buried by Triple H killing his momentum helped either. It's taken several years for Orton to get over the piss poor booking decisions of late 2004.

Both men are enjoyable, but Edge is simply more entertaining. Edge has that Intangible, the "it" factor that no one can explain, yet everyone needs.