Who's Better Eric Bischoff or Vince McMahon

[DC24]

Who do you think is the better wrestling mind Eric or Vince. To me its quite easy I will say Eric Bischoff because Vince doesn't have a original bone is his body. Everything in the past 12 years the WWF has done they stole those ideas from Eric Bischoff here's a list

-Hell In the Cell; WCW had War Games which was essentially a cage match with no way out; and that 5 story Cage from Uncensored 95(Which Cyber Sunday is a knock off of) I forget what it was called

-A PPV every month; up until 95-96 the WWF had 4 in a year.

-Going live every Monday; 3 hr shows on Monday a second show on Thursday Thunder was before Smackdown

-A Heel boss; Eric Bischoff had that role way before there was a Mr.McMahon

-Stables; come DX was a ripp off of NWO and the Nation Of Domination was rip of the Dungeon of Doom.

-Cruiserweight division; it is gone now but still they never had one until WCW did

-Rogue Refs I will say is Nick Patrick

-Shit the regular steel cage; anybody remember the Blue Bars

-Elimination Chamber- Yep another Eric Bischoff idea

the reason WCW folded is because Vince had the deep pockets when Ted Turner gave Eric the money it wasn't a competition. When Time warner wasn't interest anymore its was over and wrestling hasn't been the same since.

 

[Dragonslayer]

Well, I believe the problem with your arguments as a whole is that you seem to base everything on basically the developments between WCW and WWF/E in the years 1995 onwards or so.

What can and should not be neglected, however, that VKM was a visionary in his own right, if you consider his moves in the early 1980ies (when there wasn't even a WCW yet, I believe?), when he went and basically single-handedly turned the territorial, small-time wrestling business into a nationwide hype, that ultimately culminated in the Wrestlemanias, and the first big boom period of wrestling.

Now while in the Attitude era, VKM did indeed copy a lot from WCW's ideas (I will agree with you for example on DX being an nWo type of stable; however comparing the ridiculous, comic-like Dungeon of Doom to the basically serious Nation of Domination seems a bit far fetched lol. And going live every Mondays wasn't Eric's idea, I believe RAW had gone live on Mondays about 2 years before Nitro even appeared on the scene), but in the end, what you have to give to Vince, is that he and his creative staff managed to take those things they did, and turn them up a notch or two, ultimately outdoing the competition. Of course, WCW made some really bad mistakes at the end of their days, and without Ted Turners money behind it, you have to admit, that WCW was really running out of options and possibilities.

So this is why I have to give the nod to Vince, though for the time WCW was big, I definitely picked it over WWF/E, since many of my favorite wrestlers had been there at that time, and WWF was just not very interesting. But Vince managed to survive the dire times, and came out on top; WCW survived nothing once the fat years of Turner-money were over; and I'm not sure Eric Bischoff could've saved it - especially without that money backup that had enabled him to sign high-profile stars away from WWF in the first place, which was one of the key points in his masterplan to beat the competition.

Now while I agree that Eric Bischoff did a lot for the wrestling world as a whole, simply because he, as someone who had not really "grown up" in the business the way Vince had, and who might not have had such restraints to break with old traditions in the first place, was able to take wrestling to places it hadn't been before. But at the end of the day, it was Vince who had first made wrestling as big as it was when Bischoff took over, and it was again Vince who managed to steer through the tempest of times when his empire was threatened by the ursurper WCW. He came out victorious in the end, for a number of reasons, and to this day, he still dominates the wrestling world as we know it. So while Bischoff was important, and we might not have had one of the most intriguing wrestling eras of all time the way we know it if not for his paving the way for that; but there was Vince before and after, and there was Vince even when his company was floundering in comparison to WCW, and now there is only Vince, and even if the product isn't as interesting anymore as it was in those days of war, he still manages to run a perfectly successful million dollar enterprise that he more or less established from scratch, without millions and millions of backup money like Bischoff had from Turner in the first place. So all in all, I just have to hand it to Vince.