Who To Vote Against In The WZ Tournament

[Y 2 Jake]

Because I know full well I've inspired at least 10% of you to Vote Beefcake. I'll now be trying to inspire you to make the tournament a little bit more intresting. Vote against the big guns where possible. Naturally most should make it through their first round matches. But it should stop at the second round.

Vote Against The Undertaker​

He's fine now, but he was a lumbering oaf from 1990-1996. This isn't the Wrestling Angle Tournament, you'd be hard pressed to find more of a dozen quality matches from that period.

Vote Against HBK​

He's still lauded today like he's actually intresting and is capable of having quality matches with anyone. Those days are long gone. Now he's just an average wrestler who's slowly loosing what little cool he had.

Vote Against Bret Hart​

Most of you were either watching the n.W.o. or just not watching wrestling when he was at his peak.

Vote Against Kurt Angle​

If he was that good then his matches with A.J. Styles would have been better. FACT.

 

[ad21k]

I actualy agree, Hart, Taker, and Angle are all stupidly overated. HBK is rated about right in my opinion, in that he's good enough that he earns largely positive remarks but he isnt good enough to be mentioned in the same vein as Austin Hogan etc.

Bret Hart is a boring boring wrestler yet the IWC are in complete denial about his flaws as a wrestler, and many actualy believe he is the best wrestler of all time which is a completely ridicolous claim. Bret Hart would struggle to get in the top 10 wrestlers of all time let alone be considered as one of the best. Its time Hart's fans accepted the fact that he was actualy pretty far off achieving greatness like Austin, Hogan, Sting, Savage etc.

Undertaker and Angle arent even in the same category as HBK or Hart. Sure they have occasionally had a great match now and then but are less consistant than most main eventers at producing great matches. In addition the matches they have had which are great,have at least in part been dependent on their opponent. In the Undertakers case, how many truely memorable matches has he had? I really don't understand why Undertaker isn't critised more, especially since as the poster above me pointed out that his early career was below average, and his career now is only slightly above average for a main eventer.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

All are very talented, but the problem is that come the quarter finals all the matches are the same as pervious years. The outcome of the tournament isn't important, but that doesn't mean there can't be upsets.

I'd much rather see a final between A.J. Styles & Edge over an easily predicted final like HBK vs. Bret Hart. There's nothing intresting about a final in a fictional tournament that you've actually seen.

 

[ad21k]

Austin, Hogan, or Sting need to reach the finals. I can't believe that they havent reached that stage before. No wonder the IWC are considered a bunch of morons. Is it because they are too obvious choices as to why they are not considered? I mean the way it appears people vote in these tornaments it suprises me RVD hasnt won one of these yet. While upsets are nice in moderation, people should be focusing on who is the better wrestler and would actualy win the matches rather than harping about the stupid stipulations in the matches like a coupleof people already are doing in the ECW region. And if people were actualy voting on who was the better wrestler in each of the matches which should be the primary factor, then there wouldnt be a chance of a HBK/Hart final.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I don't want Austin, Hogan or Sting to get far either. I don't mind them getting further than the 4 I stated above. But it'd still be more intresting if they were knocked out by somebody you wouldn't expect. I'm pretty sure that all usually get to at least the semis.

I understand why there's seeding, but having a first round match involving HBK & Undertaker would free up the tournament a hell of a lot. And having a final consisting of wrestlers who aren't really the best makes the whole thing more intresting to me, as I'm the only one I really care about you understand.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

This is why you should be supporting Jushin Liger, Jake. Getting him anywhere would be very interesting, as he is such a great wrestler but hardly anyone knows of the contributions he has made to professional wrestling. Currently, he's in a stacked sub-region that includes Shawn Michaels, and I'll need all the help I can get to make him advance. There are some things that make Beefcake salvageable, so, if you help me with Liger, I'll help you out with Beefcake.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

All due respect but I don't need any help with Beefcake. His talent is obvious when you really delve into his storied history as a WWF performer. I don't know who he's against yet, but he should get through the first round.

Liger also won't need much support. He's been on enough WWE DVD's facing Guerrero, Mysterio and the like that he'll easily get to the second round.

Vote Against Sting​

The highlight of his career is standing in the rafters waiting to face Hulk Hogan.

Vote Against Ric Flair ​

For half his career he was that guy with the saggy tits who lost to Kenny Dykstra. Badly.

 

[Murfish]

Most of these I was already going to do. I'm probably going to vote against some other big ones. I really vote against Hulk Hogan in good conscience. I'll probably crusade against Taker at some point. I have never really seen the appeal of him or his matches.

 

[Hacksaw Highway]

I see where you're coming from, but I'm still voting for Taker and Hitman. Aren't you supposed to vote as if each guy was in their prime? If so, then it doesn't matter that Taker used to be a lumbering oaf, because he is amazing now. And as for your pooint about Hart, I never watched WCW and as a kid my favorite was Hart so I fit the criteria of people who can vote for him.

 

[Miko]

I wont be doing it for the same reason's as you, but I will be voting against all of these.

Vote Against The Undertaker​

He's fine now, but he was a lumbering oaf from 1990-1996. This isn't the Wrestling Angle Tournament, you'd be hard pressed to find more of a dozen quality matches from that period.

Yeah there is that, there is also that he is up against Sting and Hogan and Sting was far better in WCW than Taker in the WWF. Hogan beats them both though.

Vote Against HBK​

He's still lauded today like he's actually intresting and is capable of having quality matches with anyone. Those days are long gone. Now he's just an average wrestler who's slowly loosing what little cool he had.

He's also in ECW against Vader (I think) and Lesnar, I dont think he would last long against either of those in extreme rules.

Vote Against Bret Hart​

Most of you were either watching the n.W.o. or just not watching wrestling when he was at his peak.

He shouldnt beat Harley Race really, but it's in Canada and that supposedly makes a difference. My money is on Race putting him in a sharpshooter and Vince calling for the bell.

Vote Against Kurt Angle​

If he was that good then his matches with A.J. Styles would have been better. FACT.

I'll be voting for Sid, as I said in the other thread, who needs great offence when you can knock somebodys teeth out. Plus Kurt's broke his kneck once and Sid could well break it again if he isnt careful.

Vote Against Sting​

The highlight of his career is standing in the rafters waiting to face Hulk Hogan.

He's in a tough bracket, I think I'll have to dissapoint you by voting for Hogan though.

Vote Against Ric Flair ​

For half his career he was that guy with the saggy tits who lost to Kenny Dykstra. Badly.

I dont really rate him in his prime either. Not sure who he's against but I'll probably vote against him.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

If it's based on prime then you can't vote for either Bret, Undertaker or HBK. Michaels probably spent his prime trying to find his smile. And Bret Hart spent most of his in a Crossface Chicken Wing applied by Bob Backlund.

I also refuse to believe that Undertaker is in his prime now, as a man in his mid 40's.

 

[The Todd]

I don't want Austin, Hogan or Sting to get far either. I don't mind them getting further than the 4 I stated above. But it'd still be more intresting if they were knocked out by somebody you wouldn't expect. I'm pretty sure that all usually get to at least the semis.

I understand why there's seeding, but having a first round match involving HBK & Undertaker would free up the tournament a hell of a lot. And having a final consisting of wrestlers who aren't really the best makes the whole thing more intresting to me, as I'm the only one I really care about you understand.

An F.A. Cup style draw would actually make this much more interesting. I mean, people have been talking about who will win each region when the top four seeds are made. If it was done this way, nothing could be certain until every name was in the frame. Having a top wrestler like Austin or Hogan struggling through people like Taker, Sting, HBK in the first couple of rounds would appeal to me.

I'm not slating the tournament at all mind, it is a great thing and I can't wait to get cracking, but Jake enlightened me there.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Shelton Benjamin​

Vote against that man. Not purely because he's against Beefcake (VOTE BEEFCAKE), but because he's shit. I don't mean shit like Boogeyman shit. I mean John Morrison shit. Which is worse in a way.

While I applaud Benjamins contributions to the ladder match, I can't think of anything else he contributes to wrestling. I've heard he can have quality matches with everybody, yet I only see him participate in matches with wrestlers who are relatively well respected with internet geeks. He'll have an ok match with everybody, but a great match with nobody.

I can guarantee a match with Chavo Guerreo would be just as intresting/boring as a match with any internet darling.

The highlight of his career is getting a fluke victory against Triple H. That was nearly 5 year's ago. What exactly were the highlights of his career before and after?

VOTE BEEFCAKE​

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

Shelton Benjamin​

Vote against that man. Not purely because he's against Beefcake (VOTE BEEFCAKE), but because he's shit. I don't mean shit like Boogeyman shit. I mean John Morrison shit. Which is worse in a way.

While I applaud Benjamins contributions to the ladder match, I can't think of anything else he contributes to wrestling. I've heard he can have quality matches with everybody, yet I only see him participate in matches with wrestlers who are relatively well respected with internet geeks. He'll have an ok match with everybody, but a great match with nobody.

I can guarantee a match with Chavo Guerreo would be just as intresting/boring as a match with any internet darling.

The highlight of his career is getting a fluke victory against Triple H. That was nearly 5 year's ago. What exactly were the highlights of his career before and after?

VOTE BEEFCAKE​

Hmmm...it's kind of strange that you mention this, because the highlight of Beefcake's career was beating Mr. Perfect at WM VI. What exactly did he do afterwards? I know he had an unfortunate parasailing accident, but the only two things that were even remotely significant in Beefcake's career after WM VI were his teaming with Hogan to take on Money, Inc. at WM IX and his being brainwashed by the Ultimate Warrior in WCW in the late 90s.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Hmmm...it's kind of strange that you mention this, because the highlight of Beefcake's career was beating Mr. Perfect at WM VI. What exactly did he do afterwards? I know he had an unfortunate parasailing accident, but the only two things that were even remotely significant in Beefcake's career after WM VI were his teaming with Hogan to take on Money, Inc. at WM IX and his being brainwashed by the Ultimate Warrior in WCW in the late 90s.

Maybe, but you remember each instance more than 10-15 year's on. Can you see yourself talking about Shelton Benjamin not winning a Money In The Bank match in 15 year's time? Or how about his feud with MVP? Or even any of his matches?

I doubt it.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

Maybe, but you remember each instance more than 10-15 year's on. Can you see yourself talking about Shelton Benjamin not winning a Money In The Bank match in 15 year's time? Or how about his feud with MVP? Or even any of his matches?

I doubt it.

I hear you, but this match-up is, more than anything else, about picking the lesser of two evils. On one hand, you have Shelton Benjamin, a phenomenal athlete who's about as uncharismatic as Barry Windham and who has no desire to go the extra mile for WWE. On the other hand, you have Beefcake, an admittedly charismatic but untalented wrestler who relied on his friendship with Hulk Hogan for employment. So, I'm torn here as to what to do.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Being a phenomenal athlete doesn't mean shit. I'm sure he can run very fast, leap a building in a single bound, and do all that touch down stuff. But other than do some attractive looking bumps, Shelton doesn't do a thing.

You can argue that Beefcake doesn't even do that. But at least he has personality. The amount of people who own dogs proves full well that personality is important.

Shelton Benjamin is probably going to be to young fans now, what Mr. Perfect is to people of my age. A seriously overrated wrestler who never got a WWE Championship. The difference being that Curt Henning would have a world title run now, and Shelton just isn't good enough.