Who Should Never Go In To The WWE HOF?

[reed214]

this topic gets rehashed every few months. but like everyone of those, i must throw in my 2 cents in it. or in this case 2 dollars and 2 cents...

--the celebrity wing isn't the worst thing in the world and people need to relax. it is because of celebs that helped make Wrestlemania so impactful.'no such thing as bad press' (ofcourse this can backfire but i dont think we'll see world champion David Arquette in the Hall anytime soon.)

--WWE is 'the show'. they have honored people who never stepped in a WWE Ring before, *as they should* b/c they have atleast the best presentation of an induction ceremony. when they build a permanant hall will only increase the importance of it and people like Bruno will then have no excuse. the one thing they need to check is their personal preference on who gets in or who doesn't get in. if VKM & the rest want to silence all hatred towards the hall, then stop keeping people out b/c they have wronged you. so it is an easy "duuh" when ppl ask if they should put AWA/NWA and other Legends from those companies in the WWE HOF b/c WWE swallowed them up.

--last, i have no problem with anybody they have put in the hall of fame..except Edge. it is far too soon to put him in THE SAME YEAR they are *Finally* putting in the Four Horsemen. Edge just retired and he can wait IMO while they finally get to guys like the Rock N Roll Express and the Midnight Express and Macho Man...you get the point.

--i would hope to never see Goldberg in the WWE Hall Of Fame b/c he had a few good years and that doesn't merit HOF in my book, and also i hope to never ever ever see Jeff Jarrett (i dont think we will) b/c he was/is sooo mediocre at best and is a prime example of how to make yourself a world champion when you own/run the company. dreadful..(i may be a little biased)

that is all i got. thank you for reading.

 

[Pedigree1]

wow So many to choose from

Celebs:
Snooki for Fucks sake i hate her she is super annoying and that damn show!! What the hell was the WWE thinking on that one ill never know!!!! They could have picked anyone anybody but that fucking annoying chick!! I swear to god if they put her in i will throw away all my wrestling DVDS and i have over 100 of them!

Mickey Rourke: Good actor no doubt but the fact that jericho had to lay down for him was just disrespectful! Rourke showed little to no interest during his little gimmick role with the WWE complete lack of respect on his part IMO!!

Actual or past WWE stars:

Beefcake: Without Hogan this guy's career would have died before it even began!! He rode Hogans cottails and really did nothing in his career!!

Goldberg: Geezus what a waste!! He is a completely ungrateful bastard. He was given a gift 172-0 i believe to start his career out and is arrogant and a prick!! Then he goes to the E and expects the same damn thing and you know what he ends Trips 9 month reign as champion. Only to have his ego fluff up even more than it already was trips kicked his ass a few months later!! Thank you Triple H

 

[WCW_Sting]

Snooki, Bob Barker, and Pee-wee Herman all have a better chance of getting in than Marty Jannetty. He's a good worker, and it's a shame he never got his act together.


Verne Gagne, Abdullah the Butcher, Eddie Graham, Gordon Solie, the Von Erichs...all deserving of a spot in the WWE Hall of Fame, yet they never wrestled or commentated for them. Honestly, if Sting never gets inducted, I don't think he would consider it a "penalty." If he does get inducted, that will be him doing business with WWE once!

Apparently you don't remember Kerry Von Erich, as the Texas Tornado, holding the Intercontinental Title, winning it during an epic feud with Mr. Perfect. Kevin Von Erich also wrestled for the company, albeit very briefly

You're right, I don't remember. I was three or four at the time and probably hadn't started watching yet (although I rarely watched WWF at all until 2000). I do, however, know that it happened. I'll admit Texas Tornado slipped my mind when I posted that, and I had no idea Kevin wrestled for them. Yeah, I made a slight mistake, but you got my point. Plus, the Von Erich's were inducted as family and for what they did as a family in the business. I guarantee you it wasn't because Kerry defeated Mr. Perfect.

 

[dudedudedude]

I think this is no brainer, but, a certain guy who killed his family...can't see him going in anytime soon. You know, I actually saw people on wrestlezone forums trying to argue why he should be allowed in....they are kidding, right?

I don't think there is anyone that shouldn't be in the WWE HOF, it's entertainment it's not a real competition like in sports, I enjoy seeing wrestlers and celebs from the past be inducted and get credit for their part in helping to build this industry, which is an entertainment industry. Anyone who says that Sting shouldn't be in, while some of the worst wrestlers ever are in, is a complete idiot who doesn't understand what the WWE HOF is all about - making $$$, and adding sizzle to Wrestlemania.

Until sting wrestles for WWE he has no chance.

 

[BetterThenU!!!]

Sting is a sure bet for hall of fame i remember around 2 years ago when wrestlemania 27 was announced for Atlanta they tried doing a WCW Hall of Fame Sting was one of the rumoured inductees on that of that sting is on covers of WWE made WCW dvd and is said to be well respected by Vince he will definately go in

as for who should just about every celebrity besides Tyson and Mr.T and David Arquette David held the WCWtitle done a WCW movie and had a storyline centred around him which is more then Drew Carey

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

I don’t think Benoit should ever be inducted. Because of what he did his legacy is so badly tainted I would honestly be disgusted with him being honoured and inducted into the HOF. Granted, he was a great talent and an unbelievable wrestler in his hay day but after the terrible crime he committed he should never ever be honoured in such a way as the HOF does.

 

[Lucky Dearly]

Guys whom i think shouldn't be in the HoF?

Snooki: almost everybody here agrees she was a waste at her mania appearence

Steve "Mongo" McMichael: Terrible commentator on Nitro, worse in the ring.

The Dingdongs: Worst tag team gimmick ever

John Laranitus: Sucked as a Dynamic Dude (thus also proving Shane Douglas carried his sorry butt in that team), sucks as Interim Raw GM, sucks at life, nuff said

John Cena: I'd quit wrestling if Cena was in the HoF one day.

Los Conquistadores: Even though they were former Tag Team Champions (And for the record they weren't Edge and Christian under masks)

Lanny Poffo: He really didn't do much in his career besides managing Mr.Perfect and the Beverly Brothers, also cause he's holding up Macho Man from getting into the HoF

 

[d3thRoW]

Guess it all depends on your own definition of a Hall of Famer in this business, but it's hard to call many of these people being mentioned under-qualified, thanks to the Koko B. Ware standard (not hating on him, just doesn't seem very Hall-of-Famey to me). So if he's in, a lot of people could make it eventually. The celebrities are a waste, but whatever, that's Vince wanting to be mainstream so bad we just gotta deal with that. The fact that Randy Savage isn't inducted yet kinda makes arguing over anybody else pretty much useless...I'm sure they'll eventually work that out though.

 

[New Hot Fed]

A lot of guys WWE fans hate will be in the WWE HOF. Why? Because Vince is a better promoter than pitty fans, he's one of the best businessman wrestling ever has had and he appreciate guys that made it. He admire success. So yes the Stings and the Goldbergs will be admited in the WWE HOF one day.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

Snooki, Bob Barker, and Pee-wee Herman all have a better chance of getting in than Marty Jannetty. He's a good worker, and it's a shame he never got his act together.

As of right now, however, the celebrity I never want go in is Snooki.

There are many wrestlers, many I can't even think of, that should never be inducted. I guess I'll go with one that probably will be inducted one day, and I can even understand why he would be: The Great Khali. I've never liked him and probably never will. Can you imagine his speech?



Verne Gagne, Abdullah the Butcher, Eddie Graham, Gordon Solie, the Von Erichs...all deserving of a spot in the WWE Hall of Fame, yet they never wrestled or commentated for them. Honestly, if Sting never gets inducted, I don't think he would consider it a "penalty." If he does get inducted, that will be him doing business with WWE once!

As always, get over yourselves and enjoy some wrestling.

Did Kerry Von Erich wrestle for the WWE, yes... so I can see why they induct the whole family as it was a "happy ending" for a tragic family. Abby DID wrestle for Vince Sr. on the odd occasion in the pre Hogan era and Eddie Graham was one of the guys Vince Sr. would regularly trade talent with... so yes, they get inducted

Some guys, like Gordon Solie get in because they made a genuine impact on how WWE does business, no Solie and you have no JR, and the landscape of wrestling is totally different. Gagne had recently died and it was a way again to "bury the past bad blood" and acknowledge the legacy of the AWA (which produced several of WWE's top stars of the 80's)

Sting is a different kettle of fish, he is a man who has gone out of his way to avoid working with WWE on many occasions. Be that through sticking to his principles or cos he felt the money wasn't right, He has time and again said he will never work for them... So in my mind that takes him out of the hall of fame. If you don't want to work with them, you don't accept their HOF offer either... you can't have it both ways...

 

[daddyJ_t]

ok to correct a couple things. the ultimate warrior should be and has been invited, but declined. and as for what i understand, even though it is the wwe hof, it is a wrestling hall of fame so sting amoung others do belong as long as their careers dictate it. as for my choices? take drew careys ass out and replace him with iron mike tyson. david arquette has a better shot then kfed. but not sure what u would classify them as. i thought of insane clown posse, but they actually mixed it up as well as were "manager/valets" to the odditys and vampiro. but id say vampiros other cohorts the misfits or kfed. neither one belongs. as for full time competitor? barry horowitz. the man was a long time jobber and finally was rewarded with a win streak that started with another real should not, skip the bodydonna

 

[pr1celess]

Batista - I know he WILL get in to the HoF. But I never really rated him. His in ring work was pretty dull, he was injury prone and his mic work was just a cheap imitation of The Rock. I also think his backstage controversies are a bit embarrassing.

 

[Azane]

Celebrity wise.... I don't mind the celebs going in to their own wing.

If I had to pick, it would be Floyd Mayweather, he didn't draw much and his "moment" was the only time I've taken a break during a wrestle mania "match", Snookie actually drew pretty huge as much as I hate the bitch.

Wrestlers of this era, there are only 2 I'm strongly against, that I could see being inducted someday, those 2 are the Hardy boys.

I think the drugs and all their failures to get help should of flagged them to never wrestle again, and I really hope for the sake of young viewers, they don't see that kind of lifestyle rewarded. I don't care for any of their accomplishments, I just think that they disgraced the hell out of wrestling.

John Cena: I'd quit wrestling if Cena was in the HoF one day.

You may as well quit wrestling now then, he's going to be in there 100% chance.

 

[theBec2101]

Goldberg- got paid and bailed out, also took out one of the best in the game.
Brock Lesner- got paid and bailed out 2.
Kurt Angle- he trashes wwe and the stars. I will allow if he makes another run in the WWE. Even he knows he messed up.

Most Celebrities shouldnt be in there are the few. I agree with Tyson and Pete Rose for the most part they actually enjoy it and didnt need it for the fame, they did it cause they to are fans.

there are other people to, but they werent really big names like Brutus, Marty Jennetty, etc. But i was just nameing superstars.

 

[AndThat'sTheBottomLine]

I never want to see Snooki or Floyd Mayweather in there. I can't stand either one and snooki even screwed up one of her moves and Mayweather won with brass knuckles so he doesn't deserve it either. As for a wrestler there's Khali the abomination, Brutus Beefcake as he was only there because of Hogan, Giant Gonzalas who's only accomplishment is being the only DQ on Undertaker's streak, Vladimir Kozlov as he had NO personality and was very stiff, and as bad as I hate to say it Chyna. She was one of the best women's wrestler WWE had and was a huge part of the Attitude era but the way she's acted since she left has completely destroyed any credibility she had. She became a drug addict and now she's in a porno and has done nothing but verbally attack the WWE because they wouldn't take her skanky ass back after she announced she was looking to do porn. She doesn't deserve it unless she does a complete 180 then no. Never.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

Kozlov is never going in, so I don't think you have to worry about that... Ditto for Chyna, they are never gonna hire her after her Vivid exploits...

Mayweather is like Lawrence Taylor, the fact that he is a "dual sport superstar" means he has more right to be in there than someone like Tyson who only ever was a ringside personality... Drew Carey is a dumb addition, but he did take part in the Rumble... so I can let it go... sadly applying that logic means its ok for David Arquette too...

Jannetty absolutely should be inducted... without him there is no Shawn Michaels and the Rockers were one of the great teams of all time in their own right... He also was an IC and Tag champ AND part of still the greatest heel turn ever... Regardless of backstage stuff, that guys done more than a Koko B. Ware or Jesse Ventura ever did...

 

[rokuma]

I've gotta be honest. I don't understand the stupid remarks about Sting not being in the hall of fame, because he "didn't wrestle for WWE" or that he should "wrestle for WWE for a year and then he should go in." This is stupid. You do realize WWE bought and absorbed everything WCW in 2001 right? Everything Sting did in WCW is property of WWE. There will never be a WCW Hall of Fame, so why shouldn't one of the most popular stars in the history of wrestling be in the hall of fame when WWE, again, owns everything he did for WCW? Verne Gagne never wrestled in the WWE, but he owned the AWA (who again, WWE owns the footage), Gordon Solie, Abdullah the Butcher...etc. Saying Sting shouldn't get in the hall of fame for his accomplishments in now WWE-owned WCW is absurd. He deserves it 100%.

Also, the same reasoning goes for Goldberg. In 1998, he was hands-down the hottest star in WCW, and probably 2nd to Austin and equal with the Rock. I know that sounds crazy, but Goldberg was THAT BIG. Again, he was a huge star in WCW, had a fairly accomplished few years there, even came to the WWE and won the World title and was a fairly good draw....he's deserving of a hall of fame spot for his WCW tenure alone. He captured the fans and gave WCW hope. People that hate on Goldberg are likely IWC trolls that say he was a one trick pony. Well guess what...he was...and it was awesome in 1998, 1999, 2000. And you know what? In 2003, I marked out when he wrestled the Rock, when he speared Rosey through the barricade, and his dominating the Elimination Chamber at Summerslam. Why? Just because Goldberg was a great, intense character.

Now, as far as who shouldn't be in the hall of fame? Well, Koko B. Ware is the first one, but since he's already there I'll say:

- The Bushwhackers (I'm surprised they aren't in already)
- Brutus Beefcake (I'm sure that would come with a Hogan comeback)
- 1-2-3 Kid/Sean Waltman/X-Pac (never realized his potential...always fun to see him wrestle, but not a HOF career)
- Psycho Sid/Sid Vicious (solid career, legit scary dude, but IMO not a HOF resume)
- Vader (His WCW career was decent, but his WWF career was lackluster. If WWE had any stock in Japan, he would definitely get in, but not for his American credentials)
- Greg Valentine (I'm up in the air on this one...several times IC champ, tag champ...had some memorable NWA feuds in the 80s with Piper...I'm saying no)
- Big Boss Man (memorable career, but never really accomplished ANYTHING)

 

[THTRobtaylor]

It is not stupid to think Sting is not going to be inducted...

How many guys who made their names in WCW and have never wrestled there have actually been inducted so far? I'm not talking about wrestling their, I mean being massive there... You're talking Flair and the Horsemen and thats about it... Harley Race wrestled a year for Vince, Terry Funk also worked for WWE...

Is it a little hypocritical of Vince to let guys like Bockwinkel in, yes... but it is not a fan voted HOF, it is who Vince McMahon feels is worthy to enter... and a man who consistantly refused to do business and wrestle for him, costing Vince money and criticised the company on many occasions is unlikely to get in... and frankly shouldn't enter on that basis... The best thing for the business was for Sting to come to WWE after the buyout... he chose what was best for Steve Borden... His right absolutely, but to me that takes him out of the HOF... same for guys like Bruno Sammartino...

 

[Natural Selection]

Well, I'm going to catch alot of heat for this as I always do when this subject is brought up but I'm going to say it(again). To me any celeb should be able to go in just because the celebs don't really matter. They are there so the average Joe is like 'Oh wow that's Snooki let me not change channels.' As far as wrestlers go the only one that should flat out never be allowed in is Chris Benoit. Woman should go in, but never Benoit. My signature says how I feel on this one. This is one of the few things WWE has gotten 100% correct.

 

[TripleCrown]

Even though he never - as of today anyway - stepped in a WWE ring, I think Sting deserves it. He made one hell of a name for himself and has a huge fan base, and did it all without VKM. That alone gives him props.

As for the celebrities, Snooki might be a joke but she did more than some - i.e., the back flips in her match. And though we may not like her, Trish Stratus had nothing but good things to say about her.


As for Mickey Rourke I can't agree - I think he did fine. It's not like he and Jericho were supposed to be putting on a main-event caliber match. Their segment was what it was supposed to be, everyone did fine and the crowd roared.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I may be completely wrong in questioning this but I feel I need to.

Are you or are you not saying with this statement "The Rock" Doesn't deserve to be inducted into the hall of fame? And it's a simple yes or no answer required.

Erm, you realize that if I complied to your 'simple yes or no' I'd be infracted for spam? I'm saying that Dwayne Johnson might not deserve to belong in the HoF if he returns to old ways when he 'retires' again. For several years Dwayne was distancing himself from the business that his grandfather and his father graced to the extent that he, at one stage, dropped 'The Rock' from his name. I believe that any inductee should show respect for the business honoring, this is not showing respect. I'm not dissing either the Rock character or his impact, both are HoF worthy, but so is Chris Benoit's career. If Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson shows respect for the industry, I'll mark out at his induction. If he doesn't, it'll leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Hope that clarifies my position for you.

Surely this is a joke right? I don't want to go off on a huge rant before I get clarity!?

This I agree completely with, Edge is fully deserving of a HoF place as he has given his life and health to this business. For a guy (that is my age) to have devoted himself to the extent that he almost paralyzed himself means he more than deserves each and every accolade afforded to him.

For you to put Rock's name in your post, especially this one, is a disgrace to the IWC and wrestling at large. You should be ashamed of yourself.

How so? John Cena's case against the Rock since his return is pretty much along the same parameters. I'd be very confident that had this question been asked two years ago, Mr Johnson's name would have been garnering a large number of votes. I've been a wrestling fan for over thirty years - a year and a bit of occasional ego buffering appearances just hasn't convinced me of his sincerity after the prior several years of distancing.

 

[rokuma]

It is not stupid to think Sting is not going to be inducted...

How many guys who made their names in WCW and have never wrestled there have actually been inducted so far? I'm not talking about wrestling their, I mean being massive there... You're talking Flair and the Horsemen and thats about it...

I can understand your point, but you have guys like Gagne, Abdullah the Butcher, Antonio Inoki, Harley Race and Terry Funk (who arguably tainted their legacy by coming to the WWF), Eddie Graham, Gordon Solie, Mil Mascaras (as far as I can remember, wrestled only in the 1997 Royal Rumble in WWF), Nick Bockwinkel, whom you mentioned, Stu Hart (his induction is obvious), also the Von Erichs (only Kerry was in the WWF)....so it's not unprecedented for Vince McMahon to induct people that didn't step into a WWF/E ring. To argue that Sting shouldn't be allowed in based on that criteria, is foolish. He absolutely deserves it and Vince has NEVER said anything bad publicly about Sting and vice versa. I think once Sting officially ends his association with TNA, he will get the invite for the Hall of Fame.

And as far as Vince's bias, let's not forget he hired someone much worse than Sting to work for him...Eric Bischoff. Vince KNOWS inducting Sting would be good business, regardless if he ever shows up at a WWE show or not.

 

[HeenanGorilla]

Jannetty absolutely should be inducted... without him there is no Shawn Michaels and the Rockers were one of the great teams of all time in their own right... He also was an IC and Tag champ AND part of still the greatest heel turn ever... Regardless of backstage stuff, that guys done more than a Koko B. Ware or Jesse Ventura ever did...

I have disagreed with a lot of your posts; but, I have to thank you for this one. Because I now have all the proof I need that you are a fool. Without him there is no Shawn Michaels? Haha! That is one of the dumbest things I've read on here -- and that is saying something. As if the Rockers not being formed, would have resulted in HBK packing up and leaving the business. Also, for any fan of the WWF during the Rockers' break up, that heel turn was coming from a mile away.

I ignore most of your garbage, but this one gave me the official stamp that you are a fool. Thanks again!

 

[AndThat'sTheBottomLine]

I don’t think Benoit should ever be inducted. Because of what he did his legacy is so badly tainted I would honestly be disgusted with him being honoured and inducted into the HOF. Granted, he was a great talent and an unbelievable wrestler in his hay day but after the terrible crime he committed he should never ever be honoured in such a way as the HOF does.

I wouldn't be disgusted and I wouldn't be angry. Beniot was not himself when that happened. From steroids and multiple untreated brain injuries his brain was mush its safe to say he was insane and in no way was he in control of himself. I have a lot of respect for Benoit the wrestler and I feel bad for Benoit the man in the way his life ended. It was a tragedy but Benoit the wrestler's career shouldn't go unnoticed from his association with the Four Horseman to his championship runs as he was about to be the second man to have won the WWE, WCW, and the ECW titles. And for that he should be honored. I am in no way saying to forgive and forget but I am saying that the Wrestler and the Man need to be separated and the Wrestler should receive that honor. I think that eventually he'll get the nod but it won't be any time soon.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

Did Kerry Von Erich wrestle for the WWE, yes... so I can see why they induct the whole family as it was a "happy ending" for a tragic family. Abby DID wrestle for Vince Sr. on the odd occasion in the pre Hogan era and Eddie Graham was one of the guys Vince Sr. would regularly trade talent with... so yes, they get inducted

Some guys, like Gordon Solie get in because they made a genuine impact on how WWE does business, no Solie and you have no JR, and the landscape of wrestling is totally different. Gagne had recently died and it was a way again to "bury the past bad blood" and acknowledge the legacy of the AWA (which produced several of WWE's top stars of the 80's)

Sting is a different kettle of fish, he is a man who has gone out of his way to avoid working with WWE on many occasions. Be that through sticking to his principles or cos he felt the money wasn't right, He has time and again said he will never work for them... So in my mind that takes him out of the hall of fame. If you don't want to work with them, you don't accept their HOF offer either... you can't have it both ways...

Hmm

Von Erich Family - I'm pretty sure that this one had more to do with sealing the deal for Vince to purchase the WCCW library from Kevin Von Erich. Either way though, Vince did always have a soft spot for the Von Erich boys, and he had made attempts to get Kerry, Kevin and I believe even David at various times during their peak (obviously would never happen considering they worked for their father). Regardless, for a time they were the biggest stars in the USA (Hogan included). They absolutely deserve the HOF.

Abby - Probably worked for Vince Sr less than any other promoter, so we're stretching it pretty thin to justify your premise here. Abby simply had a great career, working around the world on his own terms.

Graham - Yeah he traded talent with Vince Sr. They were both a part of the NWA cartel. Of course they did. Vince Jr. also apparently idolized Graham as a kid. Either way, another guy who had a great career and deserves it.

Solie - I'm pretty sure JR would have still existed without Gordon Solie... especially considering JR came up through Watt's territory, where Gordon did little to no work. Solie may have been inspirational to Ross, but then again he was to virtually every commentator of that era... because he was the best, and that's why he's in.

Gagne - Umm... Verne Gagne is still alive.

Bockwinkel - I know you didn't mention him in this one, but you said something about him in this thread. Nicky is in because he was quite simply one of the greatest of his era. The guy would have been NWA champ multiple times over (at the expense of guys like Race, Brisco and the Funks... all HOFers), if he wanted to be. He was offered this by the cartel, and turned it down because he was more than happy with his arrangement with Gagne, which allowed him to work on his terms, instead of dealing with the grueling travel schedule of an NWA champion. If revisiting his career on Youtube doesn't make you appreciate how great he was, and how deserving he is to be in any professional wrestling Hall of Fame, then I suggest you spend some time on some of the old worker forums, and listen to how much they revere him.

Sting - Absolutely will be in the HOF any time after his ties with TNA are finished (at least in an on screen capacity). It's ludicrous to think otherwise.

You see, you ignore one very important point about the WWE HOF. Vince considers it to be a Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame. Not just a WWE HOF. This is why he includes the Gagne's, Bockwinkel's, Von Erich's, Graham's, ect. This is why guys who didn't necessarily have stellar WWE careers (Harley Race), but were legends elsewhere are in the HOF.

Sometimes the reasons for someones entry make little sense (Koko B Ware), and yes, he will always give preference to WWE performers, but the guy has a pretty good sense of history and respect for those who paved the way in his industry.