Who is your Favorite Career Midcarder?

[Goldie]

Well being from England I'd have to be a little biased and mention Davey Boy Smith.
Sure he got the occasional run as a world title challenger in WCW 1993 (at Vader) and in the mid 90s WWE (at Shawn, Bret, Diesel).... though for the bulk of his solo career he was a reliable midcarder.
I often think that Davey and Owen saved the flagging tag team division from 1996-97, and Davey and Bret headlined a memorable Summerslam in London in a scorching IC match.

Would also include Rick Rude. He tended to win secondary titles... if he had been around today in the modern era of frequent title changes I am convinced he would have made it to WWE champion. An excellent heel, drew immense heat with his arrogance and was an able worker.

Owen Hart, Jake Roberts, Ted Dibiase, Christian, Rick Martel, Will Regal other honourable mentions

 

[Aquaman6686]

Well being from England I'd have to be a little biased and mention Davey Boy Smith.
Sure he got the occasional run as a world title challenger in WCW 1993 (at Vader) and in the mid 90s WWE (at Shawn, Bret, Diesel).... though for the bulk of his solo career he was a reliable midcarder.
I often think that Davey and Owen saved the flagging tag team division from 1996-97, and Davey and Bret headlined a memorable Summerslam in London in a scorching IC match.

Would also include Rick Rude. He tended to win secondary titles... if he had been around today in the modern era of frequent title changes I am convinced he would have made it to WWE champion. An excellent heel, drew immense heat with his arrogance and was an able worker.

Owen Hart, Jake Roberts, Ted Dibiase, Christian, Rick Martel, Will Regal other honourable mentions

Seriously, how can people include Christian in this? A guy who wins one World title, it can be argued that it was a fluke or an error in judgment, like The Great Khali. Christian has been World Champion SIX TIMES. He cannot be considered a midcarder by anyone with a sense of logic and reason.

 

[OYDK]

Gotta be Owen Hart for me... he was one of those guys who had everything to be a multiple time World Champion, but there was always JUST something missing that I couldn't put my finger on; maybe he was missing the mysterious IT factor... who knows.

Anyway, Owen was hilarious, could play the heel or the babyface amazingly, was not terrible on the mic, and was one of the best in-ring talents ever in the WWE imo. He never really got stale for me either until he became the Blue Blazer again. Definitely my favorite mid-carder of all time.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

Scott Hall

Can you really call "The Bad Guy" a career mid-carder? He WAS in the most dominant faction of all time, but never held a belt higher than the WWE Intercontinental or WCW United States Title and was never a serious threat for the World Title in either organisation...I'll put him in anyway. Hall was a very solid worker, extremely charismatic and was hugely over with the fans throughout his career. If he hadn't had his well-documented personal problems, he'd have been a World Champion for sure.

Christopher Daniels

Although he had a brief flirtation with the main event in TNA, "The Fallen Angel" spent the vast majority of his time in TNA starring in Tag-Teams or stealing the show in the mid-card X-Division matches. He's a small guy, which has probably held him back when it comes to management buying into him as a serious main-eventer, and it's only later in his career we've seen how good he can be on the microphone as a member of Bad Influence with Kazarian. Daniels is a world-class performer, I don't think I have ever seen the guy have a bad match.

Those were the 2 who immediately jumped to mind.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

Seriously, how can people include Christian in this? A guy who wins one World title, it can be argued that it was a fluke or an error in judgment, like The Great Khali. Christian has been World Champion SIX TIMES. He cannot be considered a midcarder by anyone with a sense of logic and reason.

To be fair, neither can Rude who won and held the same belt that Flair, Thesz and the like held and later became the WHC in WWE... WCW just called it a stupid name in favour of their own title.

 

[Goldie]

Christian has been World Champion SIX TIMES. He cannot be considered a midcarder by anyone with a sense of logic and reason.

I'm not considering TNA titles.
In TNA any ex-WWE midcarder will be a bigger fish in a smaller pond.

Heck should anyone not include Tito Santanna because he was once ECW world champion?

I have nothing against Christian, but looking back did he make a bigger stamp on the industry than Jake Roberts? Ted Dibiase? and other great midcarders of the 80s?
The modern era world titles are more diluted and don't hold the prestige from the era where champions held them for much longer periods.

Would you consider Christian a career WWE midcarder or a WWE main eventer?

 

[FlairFan2003]

Great thread! Its not too often you look back and think about the guys who are the main body of the show/roster, more than often you look for the main eventer. My list of Favorite "mid card" talents would be (in no preferential order):

1. Rickey Steamboat
2. Arn Anderson
3. Jake Roberts (clean and sober)
4. Roddy Piper
5. Tully Blanchard
6. Bob Hardcore Holly
7. Kevin Von Erich
8. Goldust

ALL of these guys could carry a show any and every night of the week. They all had stellar careers without being the "Main Event Draw" on the card. You knew who they were and wanted to see them without caring if they were the world champ or not. They all had skills on the mic as well. Their promo's were something you listened to and thought they were talking to you, not just a teleprompter.

Ricky Steamboat did main event against both Randy Savage and Ric Flair and was near the top of the card in feuds with both Rick Rude and Steve Austin.

Tully Blanchard main evented against Dusty Rhodes several times, he was Dusty's biggest adversary outside of Flair, they even dedicated an entire hour of World Wide to them during their $100,000 vs TV Title feud.

Piper main evented against both Flair and Hogan in both WWE and WCW, even headlining a W-Mainia with Hogan and a Starrcade. He main evented in Steel cage matches all over the US vs Flair in 1992 and teamed with Flair to main event vs The NWO in WCW.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I'm not considering TNA titles.
In TNA any ex-WWE midcarder will be a bigger fish in a smaller pond.

Heck should anyone not include Tito Santanna because he was once ECW world champion?

I have nothing against Christian, but looking back did he make a bigger stamp on the industry than Jake Roberts? Ted Dibiase? and other great midcarders of the 80s?
The modern era world titles are more diluted and don't hold the prestige from the era where champions held them for much longer periods.

Would you consider Christian a career WWE midcarder or a WWE main eventer?

You do know he won the WWe World Heavyweight belt TWICE (beating ADR and Randy Orton)? He also twice held the ECW World Heavyweight title when the WWe was portraying it as a World Belt (kayfabe) on the same level as the WWe and WHC belts - one of these reigns being the longest of the WWeCW belt.

Tito Santana was never Extreme Championship Wrestling WHC, he was Eastern Championship Wrestling champion - this was before the NWA WHC belt came to the company, before Shane Douglas trashed the NWA belt in favor of the new ECW WHC and before the wrestling press (and by extension the wrestling world) recognized the ECW WHC as a legitimate World Title. Christian Cage's two NWA WHC reigns are recognized by the business making him a 6 time World Champion.

 

[Aquaman6686]

I'm not considering TNA titles.
In TNA any ex-WWE midcarder will be a bigger fish in a smaller pond.

Heck should anyone not include Tito Santanna because he was once ECW world champion?

I have nothing against Christian, but looking back did he make a bigger stamp on the industry than Jake Roberts? Ted Dibiase? and other great midcarders of the 80s?
The modern era world titles are more diluted and don't hold the prestige from the era where champions held them for much longer periods.

Would you consider Christian a career WWE midcarder or a WWE main eventer?

I consider Christian a WWE main eventer without a doubt. Vince didn't like him and felt he didn't have "top star" material, but he still won 4 World Championships in WWE (plus his 2 in TNA). I really don't see how anyone could argue Christian as a midcarder.

 

[HurriKane]

If I'm going with recent memory, I'd have to say Shelton Benjamin.

William Regal also comes to mind.

Jimmy Snuka and Bam Bam Bigelow, if I were to go back.

Sidenote: I was actually going to mention Piper but I guess main-eventing the first Wrestlemania, would totally cancel out him being a career long mid-carder.

 

[MrHashasheen]

Kofi Kingston. One day he'll make it to the top, and then I'll have to pick Kanyon.

After all, who better than Kanyon?

 

[TDFG]

Arn Anderson - He could put on a decent match with anyone, not long after I first watched wrestling he was having a feud with The Z Man for the WCW TV Title. I think Anderson is actually underrated.

Brian Pillman - Put him in a feud with anyone and Pillman put on a great match, didn't matter if it was against Liger, Ricky Morton, Barry Windham etc. Pillman was a pioneer for LH/CW wrestling and high-flying.

Shelton Benjamin - One of the most athletic guys I've seen in a wrestling ring, sure he could talk on the mic, but he more than made up for it with in ring ability.

Billy Gunn & Hardcore Holly - Probably known as a tag-team specialists, but I actually liked some of the singles matches these guys would put on (not against each other).

Lance Storm - Terrific technical wrestler, I don't think booking in WCW & WWE really helped push him further, he definitely should have went onto the main-event stage more regularly.

 

[rbv13]

The Honky Tonk Man: The guy was a complete heat machine. He played the role of the cocky yet cowardly villain perfectly. Be it his IC Title run, his time with Rythm & Blues or spots in between he always fired up the audience for the bigger events of the night. HTM would rub elbows with the top stars making him a true upper mid card player but he never really managed to break through as a serious main event contender. His first WWF run puts him there with the great role players of the business.

 

[Goldie]

You do know he won the WWe World Heavyweight belt TWICE (beating ADR and Randy Orton)? He also twice held the ECW World Heavyweight title when the WWe was portraying it as a World Belt (kayfabe) on the same level as the WWe and WHC belts - one of these reigns being the longest of the WWeCW belt.

Big deal. This was the era where the WWE has 2 world titles, and midcarders do win world titles. (the Miz!!!)
Heck we'd be running out of modern era midcarders to talk about if we didn't take this into account.
Guys like Dibiase, Jake, Curt Hening, Piper made a bigger stamp on the business than Christian but never won a WWE world title because in their day the title wasn't booked out so everyone 'got their turn'.

If you look back at Christians WWE career as a whole did he spend the majority in the midcard? or the 2% of the time he was main eventing?
I have nothing against Christian... I've always liked him as a wrestler.... but there could easily be two dozen wrestlers you would rank above Christian who were active during his career...
Austin, Rock, HHH, Foley, Orton, Edge, Brock, CM Punk, Taker you could class as genuine big name superstars ..... and then theres the next rung of guys like Jericho, Kane, Jeff hardy, Big Show who spent a large chunk of their careers in midcard... yet were more frequently mixing it up with main event status opponents

 

[MrMojoRisin]

Throughout the course of wrestling there have been several names that didn't make it, that became a legacy, that failed so hard we we remember them well, or the Career Midcarder.

Some examples of career midcarders:

Mr Perfect, Hardcore Holly, Christian, John Morrison, Val Venis, Test, Kofi Kingston, Golddust, etc.

All these guys didn't make it? They failed so hard we remember them well?

Mr. Perfect? Goldust? Christian?

Are you mad?

Perfect was an AWA Champion. He was Intercontinental champion at a time when that was at least the 3rd most important title in North America, and arguably top 5 in the World. He main evented in the AWA for years. When he went to the WWF, he was immediately pushed into the upper echelon of heels. He worked with Hogan for an extended run. He constantly worked high profile programs. He was one of the WWF's feature attractions at his peak with the company.

There was nothing about Curt Hennig's career that you could call a failure, and the only time you could have ever accurately called him a 'mid-carder' was when he came back to WCW, and later the WWF, AFTER his back injury. He was never the same after that, which anyone who's ever had back troubles could have told you would happen. Funny thing though... is that even then, he was still better than a lot of either roster, and he still found ways to get himself over even when the office didn't want him to.

Goldust and Christian I'll give you are good examples of actual mid-carders, although not 'career' mid-carders. Both of these guys at their peaks, were pushed guys. Featured programs. Featured characters. You could sell shows based on their names. If you think Goldust was only ever a novalty mid-card act, you obviously don't remember the impact he had when he first arrived. Many nights, he was the only reason to watch. In the WWE, Christian has always been more of a mid-carder in singles (World title runs notwithstanding), but with Edge, their tag team was one of the focal points of one of the most successful runs that company has ever had. Then in TNA, he was THE guy for a while.

With either guy though, I don't know how you can consider anything they did in their careers to be a 'failure'. Both of these guys... MADE it!

 

[MrMojoRisin]

I'd say Owen Hart. The argument can be made he had some bigger matches but they were usually with Bret. I really thought after the whole Bret Hart debacle that Owen's Black Hart character would get a push.

I'm not sure if Vince lashed out at Bret and kept Owen down deliberately or if he just didn't have much stock in the guy, but his career never saw much past the IC title. Maybe down the road Owen would get a push had it not been for his tragic death, but I wouldn't think so.

That was a huge missed opportunity. Go back and listen to the crowds initial reactions to his Black Hart character. They really had something with that.

It wasn't Vince as much as it was Michaels though that kept him down. Vince wanted to go with an Owen/HBK program, but Michaels being the guy he was at the time didn't want to work with him. He called him a nugget on screen, and brushed him off... getting him to work with Triple H instead. Considering HBK was the star of DX at the time and Triple H was the sidekick, having Owen work with Triple H first without HBK being involved took all the steam out of the Black Hart character.

 

[Goldie]

All these guys didn't make it? They failed so hard we remember them well?
Mr. Perfect? Goldust? Christian?.

Funnily enough Christian was mentioned in the OP's thread. So Christian was in mind for the topic discussion.

Perfect was an AWA Champion. He was Intercontinental champion at a time when that was at least the 3rd most important title in North America, and arguably top 5 in the World. He main evented in the AWA for years. When he went to the WWF, he was immediately pushed into the upper echelon of heels. He worked with Hogan for an extended run. He constantly worked high profile programs. He was one of the WWF's feature attractions at his peak with the company.

There was nothing about Curt Hennig's career that you could call a failure, and the only time you could have ever accurately called him a 'mid-carder' was when he came back to WCW, and later the WWF, AFTER his back injury. He was never the same after that, which anyone who's ever had back troubles could have told you would happen. Funny thing though... is that even then, he was still better than a lot of either roster, and he still found ways to get himself over even when the office didn't want him to.

Hening was a midcarder in the WWE. Granted I would call him an upper-midcarder from 1998-91, but a midcarder nonetheless. In the Hogan era it was very difficult for anyone to crack the main event status... Warrior, Savage, Andre were a select few that did.
This is why the likes of Curt, Jake and Dibiase are being touted in this post.
All very famous names.... and left a bigger stamp on the industry than even guys who won world titles later down the line.

Granted Curt won the AWA world title.... at a time when the company was losing ground on the WWE and NWA.
Rick Martel won the AWA world title.... yet I would call him a midcarder for the bulk of his career.

Goldust and Christian I'll give you are good examples of actual mid-carders, although not 'career' mid-carders. Both of these guys at their peaks, were pushed guys. Featured programs. Featured characters. You could sell shows based on their names. If you think Goldust was only ever a novalty mid-card act, you obviously don't remember the impact he had when he first arrived. Many nights, he was the only reason to watch. In the WWE, Christian has always been more of a mid-carder in singles (World title runs notwithstanding), but with Edge, their tag team was one of the focal points of one of the most successful runs that company has ever had. Then in TNA, he was THE guy for a while.

Both Goldust and Christian were entertaining in their day. However they were being entertaining in the midcard.

Goldust got people talking in 1996... he was different to anything seen in wrestling before. But was he fueding with Bret Hart? Shawn Michaels? no he was fueding with Razor in an upper midcard program.

Edge & Christian are one of my favourite teams... but midcard is where they were at the time.
Plus going to TNA... any long term WWE wrestler has had much more exposure to a general TV audience than TNAs home grown talent.
It was a huge coup for TNA to sign a guy established in the WWE... hence pushing him to world titles. He was more famous and well known than any TNA wrestler with the exception of Kurt Angle and Sting, who themselves were already world famous via their association with much bigger promotions.
So of course Christian is going to get a strong push. Hes a bigger fish in a smaller pond.
Look at Lashley in todays TNA

With either guy though, I don't know how you can consider anything they did in their careers to be a 'failure'. Both of these guys... MADE it!

I don't think the poster you were quoting here is meaning to insult Hening, Goldust or Christian. Neither am I.
Nor is calling a guys career at midcard is calling them a failure. We aren't.

Its speaking in general terms.... and looking back at the bIgger picture over a greater time period.
If you look back at Christian (minus TNA) he might have had 30 days as a world champ (in the times of manically booked 2 world titles)..... but what about the 10 plus years he spent in the tag division or competing for IC/European titles? or simply not getting pushed at all?
The midcard time far outweighs the very brief top level run.

You would call guys like Cena, Rock, Orton, Brock, HHH main eventers as they did it consistently over a substantial time period.
A guy who gets hand picked from the midcard.... has a brief world title run and then descends back to the midcard again does not belong in the same bracket

 

[MrMojoRisin]

Funnily enough Christian was mentioned in the OP's thread. So Christian was in mind for the topic discussion.

That would be why I mentioned him. The OP did...

and I completely disagree that he was a 'career' mid-carder.

Please keep in mind that was the term used for this topic, and the fact that would actually entail that the subject spent their entire career in the mid-card.

Christian didn't... and career entails their entire career. TNA counts.

Hening was a midcarder in the WWE. Granted I would call him an upper-midcarder from 1998-91, but a midcarder nonetheless. In the Hogan era it was very difficult for anyone to crack the main event status... Warrior, Savage, Andre were a select few that did.
This is why the likes of Curt, Jake and Dibiase are being touted in this post.
All very famous names.... and left a bigger stamp on the industry than even guys who won world titles later down the line.

Let me ask you something first. When did you become a wrestling fan? I ask because I've seen a lot of guys on this board that didn't become fans until the Attitude Era, who think watching a few videos makes them authorities.

Hennig was not a 'mid-carder' in the WWF. You do not work extended programs with Hulk Hogan without being at the top of the card. It was common for him to be earning main event money every night. He was one of their most promoted and pushed guys. Things changed after he hurt his back, and from that point forward he was a mid-carder. But a CAREER mid-carder? Not at all.

As for the other names being 'touted' here? Doesn't mean they're right. I can make a case for Jake (a weak one only if I ignore his territory days), but not Dibiase. Anyone who just considers him a 'career' mid-carder either has a very liberal definition of what a mid-carder is... or only knows about his career from Youtube.

Granted Curt won the AWA world title.... at a time when the company was losing ground on the WWE and NWA.
Rick Martel won the AWA world title.... yet I would call him a midcarder for the bulk of his career.

The AWA actually began gaining ground again with Hennig as champ. Losing him was one of the final nails in their coffin. That's not a 'career' mid-carder.

As for Martel... for the BULK of his career? Sure he was. But being champion of one of the biggest companies in the United States for a year means that he wasn't a 'career' mid-carder.

Both Goldust and Christian were entertaining in their day. However they were being entertaining in the midcard.

Goldust got people talking in 1996... he was different to anything seen in wrestling before. But was he fueding with Bret Hart? Shawn Michaels? no he was fueding with Razor in an upper midcard program.

No, he actually worked with Michaels quite a bit. He fought him at least 50 times.

He was one of their most over wrestlers. He worked quite a few main events during his initial push.

Edge & Christian are one of my favourite teams... but midcard is where they were at the time.

I'll give you upper mid card at worst. Edge & Christian were pushed very well, and were big draw. Career mid-carders aren't big draws.

Plus going to TNA... any long term WWE wrestler has had much more exposure to a general TV audience than TNAs home grown talent.
It was a huge coup for TNA to sign a guy established in the WWE... hence pushing him to world titles. He was more famous and well known than any TNA wrestler with the exception of Kurt Angle and Sting, who themselves were already world famous via their association with much bigger promotions.
So of course Christian is going to get a strong push. Hes a bigger fish in a smaller pond.
Look at Lashley in todays TNA

That doesn't make a difference. There is more to the wrestling world than the WWE, and the point here isn't position on a card in accordance to the size of the promotion. TNA was a major company at the time, and Christian Cage was a main event performer for them.

Also, there's been quite a few established WWE talents that didn't do that great in TNA. Give credit where it's due. Even if it was a smaller pond so to speak.

Or look at it this way. Do you consider Jerry Lawler to be a career 'mid-carder'? As a wrestler in the WWF, he wasn't working main events, and Memphis where he was on top has to be considered a small pond. Because anyone that would consider THAT guy to be a career mid-carder... well they're just ignorant.

I don't think the poster you were quoting here is meaning to insult Hening, Goldust or Christian. Neither am I.
Nor is calling a guys career at midcard is calling them a failure. We aren't.

Care to revise that statement?

Throughout the course of wrestling there have been several names that didn't make it, that became a legacy, that failed so hard we we remember them well, or the Career Midcarder.

Its speaking in general terms.... and looking back at the bIgger picture over a greater time period.
If you look back at Christian (minus TNA) he might have had 30 days as a world champ (in the times of manically booked 2 world titles)..... but what about the 10 plus years he spent in the tag division or competing for IC/European titles? or simply not getting pushed at all?
The midcard time far outweighs the very brief top level run.

You would call guys like Cena, Rock, Orton, Brock, HHH main eventers as they did it consistently over a substantial time period.
A guy who gets hand picked from the midcard.... has a brief world title run and then descends back to the midcard again does not belong in the same bracket

Again though, we're talking CAREER mid-carders. Now obviously we seem to interpret this differently, but to me that would be a guy that never in his entire career, at any point, rose above the mid-card. The OP mentions that his favorite was Bob Holly. He's actually a great example of a career mid-carder, because there was never a time when Holly was anything but.

But to trivialize the careers of guys like Perfect, Goldust and Christian by putting them in the exact same category as Hardcore Holly? C'mon. That's just insulting.

 

[RAGMAN]

Another guy I wanted to do better was 2 cold scorpio

 

[Goldie]

and I completely disagree that he was a 'career' mid-carder.

Hold on… I said ‘Bulk of their careers’ as a midcarder… that is referencing say 90-95%... a CAREER midcarder would be 100%.
I acknowledged that Hening and Christian did win world titles…. But their time spent in the midcard far outweighed top liner status.

Let me ask you something first. When did you become a wrestling fan? I ask because I've seen a lot of guys on this board that didn't become fans until the Attitude Era, who think watching a few videos makes them authorities. .

No problem. It was 1991 around the time of WM7. I remember Curt first hand… and as a kid I was snapping up all the WWE videos of 80s and early 90s PPVs.

Hennig was not a 'mid-carder' in the WWF. You do not work extended programs with Hulk Hogan without being at the top of the card. It was common for him to be earning main event money every night. He was one of their most promoted and pushed guys. Things changed after he hurt his back, and from that point forward he was a mid-carder. But a CAREER mid-carder? Not at all. .

You are banding around CAREER MIDCARDER again. I never explicitedly said that they spent 100% of their time in the midcard… but the MAJORITY.
And as they spent the MAJORITY of their time in the midcard that’s were I would put them.
If I were to twist the question and say ‘All time favourite’ top level guys…. Would Hening, Goldust. Christian qualify? Surely that statement would mean the likes of Hogan, Austin, Flair etc

Curt was a WWE midcarder… albeit an upper midcarder.
Sure Curt worked a program with Hogan… but didn’t King Kong Bundy? At least Bundy worked a PPV with Hogan.
Heck the Brooklyn Brawler one headlined RAW with the Rock… so that doesn’t make him a jobber because he main evented with the top guy?
At his peak Hening was never given a PPV match with either Hogan or Warrior, he fell just short of top liner status in the WWE.

As for the other names being 'touted' here? Doesn't mean they're right. I can make a case for Jake (a weak one only if I ignore his territory days), but not Dibiase. Anyone who just considers him a 'career' mid-carder either has a very liberal definition of what a mid-carder is... or only knows about his career from Youtube.

Again we are going over the same mis-quoted point. Ted Dibiase was a top guy from 1987-1988 in the WWE. Then he plunged down the card for the remainder of his career. In 1991 he was even jobbing to Virgil.
Ted was a very talented guy and able worker… but if you look at his tenure from 1987-93, he was a top guy for just one of those seven calendar years. He didn’t spend a great deal of time at the top compared to time spent in the midcard.

The AWA actually began gaining ground again with Hennig as champ. Losing him was one of the final nails in their coffin. That's not a 'career' mid-carder.
As for Martel... for the BULK of his career? Sure he was. But being champion of one of the biggest companies in the United States for a year means that he wasn't a 'career' mid-carder.

The AWA were struggling throughout the 80s. I would agree that Hening leaving was a nail in the coffin but the company was not thriving… they were losing ground on WWE and NWA.
As for Martel … he was a champ for one year of a 20 year career. That’s 5%.

No, he actually worked with Michaels quite a bit. He fought him at least 50 times.
He was one of their most over wrestlers. He worked quite a few main events during his initial push.

You’ve answered your own question by stating ‘a few main events’.
But did he headline a PPV show one on one? Goldust was over at the beginning… but it wasn’t long lasting.

Because anyone that would consider THAT guy to be a career mid-carder... well they're just ignorant.

Its not ignorant its called having a difference in opinion. Why get offended by something that is not intended to be offensive?

Care to revise that statement?

Not really as it wasn’t an insulting term.

Again though, we're talking CAREER mid-carders. Now obviously we seem to interpret this differently, but to me that would be a guy that never in his entire career, at any point, rose above the mid-card. The OP mentions that his favorite was Bob Holly. He's actually a great example of a career mid-carder, because there was never a time when Holly was anything but.
But to trivialize the careers of guys like Perfect, Goldust and Christian by putting them in the exact same category as Hardcore Holly? C'mon. That's just insulting.

If I recall even Bob Holly had a program with Brock Lesnar. One high profile fued…. But that doesn’t make him a top guy does it?

If you want to talk categories there are several levels to the totem pole:
Your elite megastars: Hogan, Flair, Cena, Austin, Rock
Your ‘A grade’ stars: Bret, Shawn, Angle, Lesnar, Randy Orton, Taker
Next its guys who consistently fitted between midcard and main events: Jericho, Big Show
Then Its high rung midcarders: And here is where I would put Curt Hening, Christian…. And even though they didn’t win world titles… Jake, Dibiase, Davey Boy Smith, Scott Hall belong here… guys who were bigger stars than some of the guys who won world titles in the diluted era of manic title switches.
And then below that you could list the like of Bob Holly, or the Big Boss Man etc.

 

[MrMojoRisin]

Hold on… I said ‘Bulk of their careers’ as a midcarder… that is referencing say 90-95%... a CAREER midcarder would be 100%.
I acknowledged that Hening and Christian did win world titles…. But their time spent in the midcard far outweighed top liner status.

Fair enough. YOU'RE talking about the 'bulk' of someones career... but the actual topic being discussed is about 'career' mid-carders.

And considering I wasn't even quoting you when I first responded here (I was quoting the OP), and you came in speaking for him...

you're not even making the same argument he was making!

No problem. It was 1991 around the time of WM7. I remember Curt first hand… and as a kid I was snapping up all the WWE videos of 80s and early 90s PPVs.

So you became a fan pretty much after Hennig's run as a main eventer ended, and your first hand experience is only when he was down in the mid card?

That's kinda what I'm talking about.

You are banding around CAREER MIDCARDER again. I never explicitedly said that they spent 100% of their time in the midcard… but the MAJORITY.
And as they spent the MAJORITY of their time in the midcard that’s were I would put them.

Again, please reference the title of this actual topic, and the fact that my initial statements here had nothing to do with you whatsoever. You've actually been having a separate discussion from what the OP intended, since he was asking about "Career" mid-carders, and you're talking about guys who spend the majority of their careers in the mid-card.

Curt was a WWE midcarder… albeit an upper midcarder.
Sure Curt worked a program with Hogan… but didn’t King Kong Bundy? At least Bundy worked a PPV with Hogan.
Heck the Brooklyn Brawler one headlined RAW with the Rock… so that doesn’t make him a jobber because he main evented with the top guy?
At his peak Hening was never given a PPV match with either Hogan or Warrior, he fell just short of top liner status in the WWE.

Well Bundy actually was a main eventer both in the WWF and in the territories before you ever became a fan. History doesn't look at that WM2 angle that fondly, but at the time... it was pretty big. People believed going in that Bundy had a legit chance of winning.

As for the rest? Not even worth responding to if you're going to use Lombardi to prove your argument about Hennig.

Again we are going over the same mis-quoted point. Ted Dibiase was a top guy from 1987-1988 in the WWE. Then he plunged down the card for the remainder of his career. In 1991 he was even jobbing to Virgil.
Ted was a very talented guy and able worker… but if you look at his tenure from 1987-93, he was a top guy for just one of those seven calendar years. He didn’t spend a great deal of time at the top compared to time spent in the midcard.

I take it that wrestling didn't exist before the WWF?

If you only think Ted Dibiase was a top guy for one year in his career? We really don't have anything to say to each other.

Honestly, that's so freaking ignorant I can't even be bothered responding to anything else you wrote.

 

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Fair enough. YOU'RE talking about the 'bulk' of someones career... but the actual topic being discussed is about 'career' mid-carders.

Ok at least we are cool on this now

So you became a fan pretty much after Hennig's run as a main eventer ended, and your first hand experience is only when he was down in the mid card?
That's kinda what I'm talking about.

Well that's still 2 major PPVs, Wrestlemania 7 and Summerslam 91 that I saw first hand where Curt was at his (WWE) peak. Plus he was pushed as face in late 92/early 93.... but Mr Perfect was a much more natural heel.

As for the rest? Not even worth responding to if you're going to use Lombardi to prove your argument about Hennig.

It was mean in a sarcastic way....but just splitting hairs as you were about headlining a house show.

Honestly, that's so freaking ignorant I can't even be bothered responding to anything else you wrote.

Don't band the word 'ignorant'.... its called having a difference of opinion.
If I would have said something personal or insulting.... that would be ignorant. But I haven't.

I simply don't buy the inclusion of smaller promotions in this argument... there will be dozens of wrestlers who would have been top guys in the Indie promotions, yet got lost in the shuffle in the bigger promotions.... yet if they still main evented in front of a hall of 300 people at one point in their career, it makes them exempt from this topic?