Who Could Carry SD! Better Orton V Edge?

[Axel-Stryder1211]

So i was thinking, who would/could carry SD Better, Orton-Who Nows is runner up poster child to Cena, a Fan Favorite...Ect..

Or Edge-Aso Fan Favorite,little bit more entertaining, Was The Face OF SD! before having to Stop Wrestling Cold turkey,

Discuss
P.S This is My First ever Thread and im exsited to see your Responses Both Negative and Positive,but How Much negativity could come from this eh??

 

[#hamler]

I'm going with Edge simply because he entertained me a lot more then Randy Orton ever could. I like Orton, but he usually doesn't do too much talking during his feuds. Edge did. Edge would usually go out of his way to make his opponent look like an idiot and Randy never does that. Edge's feuds involved a lot of talking. I think Orton has done a solid job at carrying Smackdown. He's already put on feud of the year with Christian and has had many memorable moments as World Heavyweight Champion. Maybe it's because Edge is my favorite wrestler but he was the far better carrier of the Smackdown brand.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I'm going with Edge simply because he entertained me a lot more then Randy Orton ever could.

That's the size of it. Edge was more extroverted; he entertained, he insulted, he complimented, he sometimes spoke of matters other than wrestling......and he acknowledged things that didn't pertain just to himself.

On the other hand, Randy Orton is like the Undertaker; he has no real allies and doesn't get involved in anyone else's business. He is singularly focused on his next opponent and all dialogue we hear from him concerns his next fight, nothing else. Listen to Randy when Matt Striker catches him backstage; Randy has no real interest in talking and only grudgingly gives a few seconds of his time to tell us what he's going to do to his present enemy. Again, that's exactly like 'Taker's MO.

A lot of fans may prefer Orton's intensity to Edge's all-around gamesmanship, and that's fine. Personally, I think Edge was the better man to carry a brand because there's more dimension to his personality.

 

[The Future Rises]

Edge. Plain and simple, he was actually entertaining. He was a bigger draw than Orton if I'm not mistaken too.

I pretty much just skip the Smackdown main event if it was another repetitive match with Orton hell sometimes I don't even watch the show. Nowadays I only tune in because of Cody Rhodes and Sheamus. They're definitely the best part of the show. Orton is just bland to be honest.

But when you look at Edge he was one of the most entertaining top faces Smackdown has ever had. He seriously carried the brand and put guys like Ziggler and Del Rio over by making them look good during their memorable feuds with him for the world title. Orton has had some good feuds with Henry and Christian and now with Rhodes but when he's on the mic he bores the hell out of me. The majority of the IWC has turned on him and started calling him "Blandy Boreton" simply because his character isn't interesting anymore.

So Edge wins this hands down. Definitely had a very entertaining and memorable run as Smackdown's top face.

 

[Ellye]

Edge is extremely talented on the mic, and one cool thing about his character is that he always seemed to be a bit more aware of other people feuds, commenting on them from time to time and such. That's perfect, for me.

 

[TJ Matics]

Orton

I found Edge extremely entertaining on Raw, but not so much on Smackdown. His jokes were corny and ran together, and I could tell he ws acting for the most part. I don't find him all that entertaining in a regular wrestling match either.

I agree with Mustang Sally, Orton has a Taker presence, with a Bret Hart executionist-esque (did I spell that right?) wrestling style. He doesn't say much, yeah that would be a problem if he wasn't putting asses in seats, but he is.

 

[xsKiitz]

I pretty much just skip the Smackdown main event if it was another repetitive match with Orton hell sometimes I don't even watch the show. Nowadays I only tune in because of Cody Rhodes and Sheamus. They're definitely the best part of the show. Orton is just bland to be honest.

Too true. Whenever I see Orton v Christian or Orton v Henry as Smackdown's Main Event I'll skip to the last minute or 2 of the match. I've seen Christian and Orton lock up like, 10 times now (overexag) and with Henry 3 times in very recent times. It's not necessarily Randy's fault but it's just like, seen that already, boring..

But yes, Edge is definately the more entertaining one. I was a huge Orton fan right before and during the Age of Orton, and he had a wonderful reign and was very entertaining. Now he's super bland and offers very minimal to feuds or storylines. He's just lucky that he's good looking and has a prefered body type because without those assets he'd be nothing. Only an immature kid would find that gay btw.

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[XXJJ]

Orton, I've enjoyed his feuds with Christian and Henry.
Edge's last stint on Smackdown was bad. The stuff with Kane was just awful to watch.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I was upset when Edge retired, and said as much. However, I also said that all the complaints I had about him had been valid, and I stand by that. He was cumbersome in the ring and had very little chemistry with any of his opponents. OK, that's because his spine was so fucked up that he could barely feel his arms - and it made me feel like a bit of a prick - but still, the fact remains. I mean, Christian was pretty much doing his matches by proxy, and doing a much better job of it. All he had to offer towards the end was some decent microphone skills, but he wasn't exactly up there with the Punks or even the Mizzes of this world. Mizzes; is that the plural of Miz? It is now. A cunt of Mizzes is the collective noun.

On the other hand, Mr. Orton has been a revelation since coming over to SmackDown. I initially threw my toys out of the pram when he unceremoniously knocked Christian off the top spot - and I'm still sore about that - but he's been exceptional. I could complain about all those great matches he had with Christian (you know; how there were so many of them) but I reckon it would be akin to complaining about how frequently you get a blowjob.

"You suck my dick, I cum in your mouth - do we have to do this every night?"

 

[The Future Rises]

I was upset when Edge retired, and said as much. However, I also said that all the complaints I had about him had been valid, and I stand by that. He was cumbersome in the ring and had very little chemistry with any of his opponents. OK, that's because his spine was so fucked up that he could barely feel his arms - and it made me feel like a bit of a prick - but still, the fact remains. I mean, Christian was pretty much doing his matches by proxy, and doing a much better job of it. All he had to offer towards the end was some decent microphone skills, but he wasn't exactly up there with the Punks or even the Mizzes of this world. Mizzes; is that the plural of Miz? It is now. A cunt of Mizzes is the collective noun.

I wouldn't say he had very little chemistry with his opponents. Just look at his performance at the 2011 Royal Rumble, he was given the opener for the world title against someone who was just getting a taste of the main event scene in Dolph Ziggler yet they put on a great match. And then at Wrestlemania against Del Rio he was given the opener yet again and only about 10 minutes and he made the best of it by putting on a very solid match.

Even with his spine and arms fucked up Edge was still putting on good matches and making young talent look good. I don't know what you were watching but excluding Edge's horrifying feud with Kane he had some good matches and great feuds during his last run on Smackdown.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I remember watching Dolph versus Edge with Tastycles, Lee and Pheonix. I'm not entirely sure why that match gets such a great write-up. I don't recall any of us being blown away by it, and this was the same night that I was yelling at Tastycles that, "Oh my God - Santino's going to WrestleMania!" Sure, we agreed it was a good match, but during it we were more concerned with whether Dolph had come out wearing his trunks back to front. He hadn't, by the way. Right way round and everything.

Edge's match with Del Rio was good but, again, wasn't really anything to write home about. It's sandwiched between better Christian/Del Rio encounters, which doesn't exactly helps its prestige. For it being the last match of someone's career, I'll give it special dispensation.

Really, its a shame Christian isn't SmackDown's top face right now; would have made a much better thread.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

I never really got Edge like some do, never really disliked him and never really liked him. He never did anything for me, asides from when he was feuding with Cena. His angle with Vickie Guerrero was pretty bad to me, his Royal Rumble return didn't even make me move from my seat because I expected it, his retirement made me remember him when he was in Edge & Christian, but after that nothing about Edge has ever been overly impressive to me. Christian has always been superior in my opinion.

Randy Orton however has been nothing but impressive since he joined Smackdown. He has came out in a new light, hes had several great matches on the show and on Pay-Per-View, not saying Edge hasn't but he hasn't had any which really stand out in the past two years. Orton's entire feud with Christian will be remembered for the great matches. Something about Orton on Smackdown has made Smackdown better to me, so I'd have to say I enjoy a Smackdown led by Randy Orton than Edge.

I also agree with Sam, Christian leading it as the face of the brand would be my prefered choice, however I do enjoy heel Christian as well.

 

[¡Roján!]

Oh definitely Edge.

Randy Orton's run so far has been pretty lacklustre. He has probably cut more backstage promos with Matt Striker in the last few months, than Mark Henry taking shits. Speaking of shit, they were all shit. Christian carried him throughout the feud, although, his matches with him were his best, and credit is due where credit is due, you know?

Edge on the other hand, whenever he was SmackDown made it his show. La Familia was bitchin' and he stole the spotlight from the bloomin' Undertaker, for fip sake. His last run wasn't as great but, it was still pretty amazing. Edge never had that kind of freedom on RAW, he just blossomed on SmackDown.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Carry is an interesting word. Yes, Smackdown was known as the "Edge" Show but Edge did have some great talent to carry the show along with him when he was the face of Smackdown. I remember Batista, HHH and Undertaker all being on Smackdown at different points during the time Edge was on Smackdown. Orton by comparison has had lesser starpower to work with and has almost singlehandedly made a star out of Christian. So by that logic hasn't Orton "carried" the brand better?

When it comes to who I prefer as the face of Smackdown, I would still choose Orton. Edge was a good performer but as a heel, I found his feuds to be repititive. He would sneakily take the title off a face, mostly by cashing in on the MITB, face would chase him around, Edge would retain sneakily a few times. Then the face would win and Edge would continue getting under his skin. Then you have a gimmick match as the finale most of which ended with Edge losing. It was great the first time it happened with Cena but rather boring thereafter. La Familia was a very boring stable to me as well. I mean you had Edge, Vickie, Chavo and two guys who looked like Edge. DUH!

Orton has had two feuds so far and both of them have been very different feuds. He went from the all powerful dominant guy in the feud against Christian to a guy who is getting manhandled in his feud against Henry. Orton's character has much more range than Edge's character in my opinion. Orton might not make the crowd laugh out loud but he can keep the crowd interested in his feuds in his own manner. Edge also, to be honest wasn't allowed to show his humour until his last run as a face. Till then the only thing that he thrived on was that he was a sneaky heel whom the crowd would like to get his ass handed out to him. Also while Edge may be the funnier of the two, Orton looks much more intense and at the end of the day that is what drives most feuds in pro wrestling.

So in short, I like Orton more in the ring and I like his character more as well. So Orton is in my opinion the better face of SD.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

Edge. Granted, but both guys bore more to no end; but you can clearly tell they were much more confident in Edge's abilities than Orton's abilities. You can say something about being different characters, but that doesn't change that they are supposed to be the focal point of the show.

Since moving to SD, Orton has had a feeling of 'well, he is the biggest name.. So guess we have to use him.' He isn't all over the show. He is slapped in the main event of the shows without much build to them. Why was he having matches with Khali and Kane?

His feud with Christian was pretty much just Christian doing all the promos while Orton just showed up for the matches. His feud with Henry (is it still going? idk) was quickly done. His stuff with Rhodes so far has been mostly physical. It just feels like they are booking him much more carefully to play to his strengths and weaknesses as oppose to booking him to build interest for the show. idk idk You can have you own opinion on the matches, you can only get away with lame excuses for a rematches or just getting him or the guy he is facing in the title match (re: the boring battle royal on Friday) for so long. Interest has never been deader for SD.

I also think they are going to scale back on Orton on SD in favor of Mark Henry. Maybe even Sheamus. They are just so much more interesting than Orton is at this point.


Edge, on the other hand, was always running his mouth. As shitty as an angle might of been (that Kane/Edge shit last year REFUSES to leave my brain), he was never saved til the end of the show just 'cuz he is the biggest name on the show. He was always front and center for his feuds. If something was happening on SD, you best believe Edge was involved, caused it, or was the next segment coming up.

 

[H33LTurn]

I think Edge. He just had the personality you want to see on SD. Like others mentioned hes extroverted, funny, charismatic, and could play the face as well as the heel. Orton doesnt have the personality for SD. His more serious demeanor fits well with RAW's programing. I'm not trying to take anything away from Orton, since the SD fans are clearly behind him and hes had a great rivalry with Christian, but Edge could just capture people's attention much more better. That doesnt mean Orton has to go out there and crack jokes or anything of the sort. Change is good, and so far Orton has been on SD for a portion of the time that Edge had been.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Edge carried Smackdown better. He was the face of Smackdown from 2007-2011 regardless of whether he was a face or a heel at the time. Feuds such as ones with Taker, Batista, Cena, Jericho, and Del Rio saw some of Edge's better matches. Orton's only good feud during his time on Smackdown has been with Christian. There is still time for things to turn around, but at the moment I have to say that Edge carried the blue brand better than Orton has. I won't give up on Orton yet. He needs better feuds. Mark Henry!? Come on. Throw him into feuds with Sheamus, Barrett, Rhodes, or even Bryan and things may be different.

 

[FearMyBeard]

Orton's current gimmick became extremely popular because he was this madman that will go apeshit on you. People reacted when he was punting, RKO-ing, and just giving ass whoopings. He didn't become popular as a talker. Like a poster said, you could compare him to the Undertaker. He just whooped ass/whoops ass.

In Edge, we get a combination of the two but more emphasis on the promos. His character really elicited more interest because we're interested on what he has to say then later on whether he can back up what he said. With Orton, we could say that we're more invested in the moments he goes berserk on someone.

So I would say that Edge was more suited to carry Smackdown! compared to Orton and this isn't downgrading Orton at all because his gimmick really limits his material on the mic.

Another interesting thing to point out is the quality of the superstars that surrounded the two during their respective times as the face of Smackdown!. Edge had really had more star power to work with compared to Orton. So I guess that plays a part as well.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

As a face, Orton is more over than Edge ever was. That much is clear. As a heel, personally, I think Orton and Edge were about even.

Neither has done much to increase ratings, but neither really lost the crowd either. I like Orton much more so than I do Edge, but that isn't necessarily why Orton gets my vote. Orton is about as over as a babyface can be right now. Edge never got to that level, as a babyface. Orton wins.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

In the absolute sense? I'd say it's a wash. Otherwise this is incredibly subjective with a ton of variables.

Orton's "pool" of talent to work with isn't very full right now. They are building guys up. Rhodes is a hell of a performer who pulls off his character extremely well and I believe Orton will make him into a star.

From a personal perspective, I like Orton more. Everything he does, he does in character. He walks in character, he talks in character, he sells in character, etc. It's very slight, but I like Orton more personally.

From a draw perspective, it's incredibly hard to gauge. You can't go by show ratings because times change, the channel they're on changes, the roster of guys to help draw change. You can't go by merch sales because one was primarily a face, the other primarily a heel. Faces generally sell more merch.