Which match would you show a UFC fan?

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UFC fans always talk about "UFC is the real fights" and "WWE is fake". So if you had a friend who likes UFC but hates WWE then which WWE match would you show them to show why WWE is great. One that doesnt have a element of the match that only a smark fan would enjoy, like Mick Foley and his bag of thumbtax or John Morrison's spot monkey moments. Pick any WWE match from the past that proves WWE isnt bullshit and it is entertaining. I dont have a clue which match to pick but I would like to know if you do.

Pick a match, telly why...
 
One thing I will not show is a submission match. These matches are some of my favorites, but there is that chance that the UFC fan will gripe and say WWE is trying too hard to be like UFC.

Though the Royal Rumble is a great choice and I'll back it up as well, I'm gonna tack on the Team Raw vs. Team SmackDown match at Bragging Rights 2010. If you want to get a UFC fan to know who are the ones to know and watch in WWE, this match pretty much had just about all of the important guys. You had Big Show, Rey Mysterio, Jack Swagger, Edge, The Miz, Sheamus and CM Punk, all either current or former World Champions. You had Alberto Del Rio, Kofi Kingston, R-Truth, John Morrison, and Ezekiel Jackson, rising stars in the company. And while Tyler Reks and Santino Marella may not be anything spectacular, I'm confident Reks has some level of potential (I enjoy watching him on Superstars) and there's no question how entertaining Santino is. And all these elements are put in one match. Hello UFC fan, I'd like you to meet the WWE.
 
I agree with mister bill when he says that it is no use showing a UFC fan a submission match because they see real submission moves so often, the fake moves would hardly impress them. Along the same lines of thought, I wouldn't even show them a hardcore match or a really huge brawl as they are also accustomed to seeing such sort of violence.

What I would show them is a match with a great storyline. That is the edge that pro wrestling holds over MMA. My choice for the match would be Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior from WrestleMania 7 or HBK vs Triple H from Summerslam 2002. Both matches feature a great storyline, one is basically a love story and one is about a best friend betraying the other. I know that I am contradicting myself a bit when I am talking about not showing UFC fans violent matches and yet talking about showing them HBK vs Triple H from Summerslam but I am doing so because the match features a great storyline and also a bit of high flying wrestling that makes the pro wrestling product stand out from the MMA product.
 
Edge and Christian vs The Dudleyz vs The Hardyz - TLC 2 WrestleMania 17

This'll show them wrestling isn't fake, but only scripted. This'll show them how much they risk their bodies, and pull off crazy spots. The match was fantastic overall, and there isn't much anybody can say that'll put it down. The match showed how talented, extreme, and bloody a match can get. It's proof on why wrestling rules.

But I'm also a huge UFC fan, so I can choose easier. Choosing submission matches isn't so smart... or matches involving a lot of submissions.
 
Edge vs Mick Foley - WrestleMania 22.

The match was just violent and very, very hardcore. Barbedwire bats, thumbtacks, flaming tables. My girlfriend said she wants me to show her a WWE match because she's never watched WWE before, I know she's not a UFC fan, but all I'm saying is I would show ANY non wrestling fan this match as I think the way to get someone into something is to show them something extreme from it and get them coming back for more.

The TLC matches are good choices but there are quite a few botches in those matches and I think the Hardcore match from Mania 22 is just better as it's between the two guys and for showing someone new, they might not like following three teams worth of guys. They might only want to concentrate on a couple.

I know if I saw someone spear someone threw a table on fire, I would be wanting to find out more about it.
 
I think you have to show a match with a great story line e.g Rock vs HHH Backlash 2000 or any of the HBK vs HHH matches between 2002 and 2004, probably Hell in a Cell or Last Man Standing at Rumble 2004.

But perhaps the definitive match to show them that yes, it is scripted, but no, it certainly is not fake is The Undertaker vs Mankind at the King Of The Ring 1998 in Hell in a Cell....iconic spots, two of the best ever. Arguably this is the one match that every wrestling fan has to see and the match that would prove to UFC fans that pro wrestling is incredibly physical.
 
Edge and Christian vs The Dudleyz vs The Hardyz - TLC 2 WrestleMania 17

This'll show them wrestling isn't fake, but only scripted. This'll show them how much they risk their bodies, and pull off crazy spots. The match was fantastic overall, and there isn't much anybody can say that'll put it down. The match showed how talented, extreme, and bloody a match can get. It's proof on why wrestling rules.

I agree with you, this would be a good choice.

I think I'd take the same route of proving wrestling isn't fake. Given the choice, I'd pick a highlights package of all Hell in a Cell matches up until about 2005. However, the classic Mankind vs Undertaker HiaC would suffice.

If I wanted a storytelling match, probably Chris Jericho vs Shawn Michaels from WM19.
 
Angle vs benoit from royal rumble 2003. You want to show them a great WRESTLING match not a spot filled one as that's their main criticism. Show them these guys actually have wrestling ability to impress them and kill their arguments.
 
Anytime one of my friends talk about wrestleing being fake and no good, I show them the highlights of the Undertaker Mankind match HiaC. The spots were completly insane, you would never see a UFC guy being able to take stuff like that.
 
Either of The Undertaker's bouts with Sean Michaels at Wrestlemania. Both matches tore the house down and 'Taker was very close to landing on his head and neck when he did his suicide dive at 'Mania 25.
 
I think the problem with showing a hardcore match or a high spot match is then if they keep watching they will be disappointed other matches don't have the same things. This is true with almost all entertainment. People like what they see first and anything that doesn't live up to that is a let down.

When I watch anything wrestling related with a non wrestling fan it is most of the time the documentaries WWE puts out. It gives them a them a story while showing them some of the real life parts of wrestling. Recently I watched The True Story of Wrestlemania with my Aunt and she isn't a wrestling fan at all. She enjoyed it. Is she gonna tune into Raw now? No. Maybe watch a documentary about a wrestler. Then watch some of the matches. They learn the story from the doc. then can watch the match on the DVD.

That or just watch Raw with them. They might get hooked on a story line and want to tune in next week.
 
A match that tells a story all by itself. A few good examples have been discussed, y2j v hbk, savge v warrior. I honestly think a classic style, regular rules match is key. Depends on the uFC fan, if they are a gorehound and only watch to see someone bloodied up then extreme rules or HIAC is fine.

But to me, the best matches are held under normal rules, or at most no holds barred. Those matches that are without weapons, and insanely dangerous spots, can show what wrestling can be, to someone who wants the atheticism.

The idea is to tell them, yeah it's scripted. Yeah it is all for dramatic effect. but when done well the match itself can tell you a story, with a begining middle and end. Perhaps show them the highlight reel leading up to the match, but a classic "catch as catch can" style match that shows pro wrestling in its most basic form, bret hart v british bulldog from summerslam comes to mind, can show them that it is not all about over the toop stories, high spots and barbed wire wrapped bats.

I also tend to agree with the poster who said "just watch raw with them" and would say smackdown as well. a LOT of casual fans like smackdown as there tends to be more matches on it, and less focused on just the ME scene. Many people i know have gotten into wrestling by sitting there with me while i watch it. After a couple weeks of watching they already know who is who, they have favorites, not usually who you expect, and guys they hate.

and if all else fails, show em a bra and panties match lol.
 
If you want to highlight the realism of the WWE, I'd show a UFC fan some old Chris Benoit matches. Yeah, what he did was downright demonic but between the impact of those chops, German suplexes, diving head-butts, and missed suicide dives, he was one of the most recklessly stiff wrestlers I've ever seen in the WWE.

However, if you really want to highlight realism, check out some of those ridiculous 25-40 minute Japanese matches with guys like Misawa, Kobashi, and KENTA. These guys and their promotions in general are unbelievably stiff and unlike the WWE, they have no qualms about brain-busters and full contact spinning back fists and roundhouse kicks to the head. I'm a bit of a UFC fan and I "ooh" and "ah" more during one of these matches than I have for all but a select few, if any, UFC fights.
 
You can't show a non-wrestling fan a long match. They wouldn't appreciate the details of the match that wrestling fans do. They would lose interest too quick.

I would pick a match like Jericho vs HBK at The Great American Bash, and the match had to be stopped due to HBK being beatened too badly to continue. It featured good wrestling, blood, great pyschology, and most importantly some tie-ups that UFCs could appreciate. A beautiful chicken-wing that allowed Jericho to punch HBK without him being able to block.

Another would be the immortal Undertaker vs Mankind in the Cell. A sick display of violence which no UFC person can deny.
 
the problem i see with showing them the most brutal and violent matches of the past, is they will see the current product and it is not like that at all.

If you just want them to say "yeah wwe isn't all bad" then sure, go for the quick brutality. If you are attempting to get them to give WWE(or TNA) a chance and watch it longer term, you have to go with the back to basics approach.

I watch ufc here and there, and a lot of more mature ufc fans appreciate the tactics and skill. Teenagers and gorehounds go for the brutality, but the biggest ufc fans appreciate the sport aspect much more. So it really depends on who you are selling it to.

Another good thing to do would be show them an ROH dvd. Or like a previous poster said, japanese wrestling, which is MUCH stiffer, and always has been.

but showing them older things which exaggerate the violence will not make them care about the current product of any wrestling promotion. Showing them older matches that are more technical and back and forth is at least more honest towards the modern WWE product, than thumbtacks and barbed wire.

Really, if your going for gore and violence, show them some older japanese deathmatch tapes(i have a lot from the olden tape swapping days). that makes any wwe violence look tame.
 
Shawn michaels vs the undertaker at wrestlemania 25 we all know the match was baddass and I believe a ufc fan would also really enjoy it, if they didn't then nothing would change their views
 
Ive shown Bret vs. Owen @ Wrestlemania X to my friend who's an MMA..he told me he like it because it didn't have theatrics and a ton of slaps (or something). I believe it was the grappling he loved most because he believed Bret and Owen were former collegiate wrestlers. I've never heard anything like that so i told him their father Stu was a trainer. Anyway i think MMA fans would enjoy seeing ROH or something wrestling heavy like Smackdown. My one single match would have to be Bret vs. Owen or maybe Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho @ Wrestlemania 2000
 
Ufc fans do not have a thirst for blood, or violence. They want to see a good fight with a great story line behind it.

examples: Tito Ortiz vs Chuck Liddell
Gsp vs Bj Penn
Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen
Chuck Liddell vs Randy Coutore. Side note: some of these fights do have blood though.

I have three matches that i think any ufc fan would have to agree are awesome;

Shawn michaels vs Bret hart/Iron man Match- A really solid build up capped of by a very technical match that went well beyond the distance.


TNA's Final Resolution/triple threat ultimate x match between aj styles, petey williams, and chris sabin- one of the best looking matches ive ever seen, very pleasing to the eyes to watch with many high spots and amazing athleticism. One of the matches ive always shown my non wrestling friends and it always leaves them with there jaws dropped.


Finally, this should be a no brainer to anyone who is a wrestling fan/ UFC fan. ANY MATCH THAT HAS TO DO WITH BROCK LESNAR, A UFC FAN WILL WATCH!! Brock lesnar is one of the biggest stars in the UFC and every fan will at least be slightly interested in what his matches looked like in th WWE. If i had to pick one match i'd go with his wrestlmania match vs Kurt Angle.


Show them his debut too, He looked like an absolute beast.
 
It really suprises me that no one mentioned Savage/Steamboat from WM3 it was the greatest match of all time , If that won't convert them nothing will.
 
I would show that person pretty much the entirety of Wrestlemania 19. Everything after the Women's Championship match on that card was outstanding. The first three matches were good, but not overwhelming.

Match 1: Matt Hardy vs Rey Mysterio

Sadly, this match was a bit too short, and played a lot of the fact that Matt Hardy is actually heavier than the weight limit for the Cruiserweight division. Good open, but it should have been longer.

Match 2: Undertaker vs. Big Show and A-Train

Honestly, this is the match I would skip on this show. It would take too long to explain the stroryline, and to explain why the Undertaker is that level badass to take out two guys that each outweigh him by over 50 pounds. The finish, with Nathan Jones interfering, was also kinda stupid, and hurt the quality of the match.

Match 3: Trish Stratus vs. Victoria vs. Jazz

Let's be real for a second. Outside of Trish vs. Lita, how many great women's matches are there in mainstream wrestling? Answer: Not many. This is one of the best examples you're going to come up with in mainstream wrestling. It's a good sign of what women's wrestling is capable of.

Match 4: Team Angle (Haas and Benjain) vs. Los Guererros vs. Chris Benoit and Rhyno

Now, we get to the good stuff. This is the match that shows a big selling point in professional wrestling. The difference in styles. Let's face facts. In MMA, there ae really only 3 styles. Knock them out standing, put them on the ground, and knock them out, or make them submit. In MMA, you don't see very much play between those styles.

Hass and Benjamin are both breat wrestlers, and work very well together. Benjamin is the faster and more agile of the two, with Haas being, in my opinion, better at mat wrestling and a bit more powerful. Their amateur background is something that should appeal to an MMA fan.

Los Guererros, on the other hand, were all about out-thinking their opponent, and capitalizing on mistakes. They tricked opponents, and created their own opportunities. Granted, that usually came through cheating, but, as Jesse Ventura would say, "If the ref doesn't see it, it's not illegal."

Chris Benoit and Rhyno, however, never struck me as a real tag-team. These were just two guys who were thrown together to be on the card.
That doesn't mean that I don't think they're good wrestlers. They were both completely intense, and could be seen as legitimate threats in any match. All 6 of these guys just worked so well together, and put on a great match that, to me, is a high water mark for tag team wrestling. I'm sorry to say that I don't remember specifics about this match, just that it was a good match.

Match 5: Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho

One thing WWE has always done a good job with is video packages that showcase the best parts of a fued. And, with Michaels and Jericho, there was a great library of moments to choose from leading to this match. And, it didn't hurt matters that these were among the best in the world at the time.

One of the compaints about professional wrestling that I hear is that in ring decisions make no sense. Therefore, I love matches in which everything flows smoothly, and things can be explained simply. "Why the hell did he do that?" was never asked during this match, and the in ring work was spectacular.

Match 6: Triple H vs. Booker T

MMA is full of champions that underestimate their challengers. In a nutshell, that's the storyline behind this match. This is another match that made perfect sense, to me, and these guys really put on a good match. The idea of taking away one of your opponent's strengths should make sense, and explains Triple H's attacking Booker's legs during the match. It's not often that people in MMA have a true heel, who they just want to see get demolished. Triple H is an incredible heel, and makes you actually care about Booker, even if you didn't beforehand.

Match 7: Hulk Hogan vs. Vince McMahon

I refuse to believe that there's a person living in a developed country that doesn't know the name "Hulk Hogan." This match, while not a technically good match, showed an emotion that MMA completely lacks. How many UFC fans dislike Dana White, and want to see him in the Octagon with Royce Gracie?

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Tell me that you can look at this picture, know that Hogan won the match, and not believe that Hogan overcame a singular force of evil. Also, any MMA fight would have been stopped long before that level of bloodhsed could be reached. This match was amazing, not for the in ring quality, but for the passion shown by two men, both of whom were well into their 50's, and had absolutely nothing to prove. This match was solely for the love of the game, and the product showed it.

Match 8: The Rock vs. Steve Austin

Do I really need to say anything about this match? It's The Rock and Stone Cold at a Wrestlemania. I genuinely dislike Dwayne Johnson. I genuinely hate The Rock. And, yet, I can't say anything bad about this match. This match is one-ups-manship, of the highest level.

In this match, you got the finale of a fued that has gone on, at least at a simmer, for the last 5 years. This match had a tall task put on it, as well. This match had to follow the bloodfeast that was Hogan/McMahon, without losing the crowd's interest, or painting the ring with even more crimson. The fact that this was Austin's last match is just an added bonus to this match, which was a great match, on every level.

Match 9: Brock Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle

What we have here is one of the biggest names in MMA against one of the greatest amateur wresters of all time. Lesnar had spent the last year being pushed as a humanoid beacon of destruction, and Angle was the WWE Champion. They went blow for blow and move for move for 20 minutes. The pace was fast, the action was intense, and the drama was there.

The one part of the match that baffled me when I saw it was Lesnar going to the top rope. At the time, I was unaware that he was able to actually do a Shooting Star Press. So, when he came off the tope rope, I jumped off of my couch. And, a second later, I cringed, because I thought that Lesnar had just died. But, he found a way to get up and finish the match. Afterwards, Angle showed respect to the new champion, and Lesnar had a short celebration to end the show.

Seriously, I would put this as the single best wrestling show in history. There wasn't an overall bad match on the card, and everything flowed fairly well. I think it would have done better as a longer show, but that's a small complaint. I certainly got my money's worth getting this show on pay-per-view, and I feel that it should be a part of any serious wrestling fan's DVD collection.

(Edited after re-reading the card for this Wrestlemania, and realizing that I missed Benoit and Rhyno being in the tag title match)
 
I wouldn't. Professional Wrestling is like watching a film. MMA is an actual sport. Nothing against Pro Wrestlers but it really is comparing apples & oranges.

I've always loved Pro Wrestling, I've studied martial arts just as long. I like to watch wrestling & MMA but for different reasons. I do hate when Pro Wrestling tries to pretend it's real & has some guys doing legit MMA moves. I'd rather see Hulk Hogan vs Andre the Giant then a pseudo MMA match. I believe most UFC fans would laugh at someone like Samoa Joe an out of shape pseudo MMA fighter.
 
I'd show them a match with a lot of surprises. The best thing about Wrestling is the surprise element and anything can happen. It would be on par with after the Cain Brock match.. Fedor steps inside the Octagon and points at Cain.
 
Hardy Boyz, The Dudleys, and Edge and Christian, I think any of thier TLC matches.
Or even Money in the Bank 23, I remember atleast one spot that really shows how much detication wwe superstars have to put into this "fake sport."
 
I always hated this argument. For one, I was watching UFC and Pride long before there was a TV show and long before it was the cool thing. However, I've been watching pro wrestling since I can remember. I've always known it's a show. People seem to get real confused when they see athletic contests of the scripted form. I mean, war movies don't seem to confuse people, they get that it's not real, yet are still entertained. People know that Mad Men wasn't really filmed in the 60s and that Don Draper is just a character, but they still like it. Why should pro wrestling be held to a different standard, ESPECIALLY now when they don't hide the fact that it's "fake"?
 
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