Where would WWE be without...

[An Angry Blonde]

I didn't see this in the wwe section, and if so I'm sorry.
Now my question to you is where would wwe without WCW.

WCW was a major competior to WWE/F back in the day that forced wwe to truely raise its product to a new bar. With WCW we got NWO, a heel hogan, sting, booker t , Chris Jerico, etc.The constant rooster jumping also revealed who were truely loayal to the wwe, such as Shawn Micheals and Undertaker(Icould be wrong about taker though). Also helped establish DX as a dominant group in wrestling when they declared war against WCW.When WCW finally fell to the WWF, we got the attitude era which changed everything again, such as giving the rock, STSA, among others.This comeption as established WWF/E as a dominant Profesional wreslting company, and ever since WWE has remained king of the empire that was built long ago.

So my questions to you are...
#1: How would the wwe be different now without WCW ever existing, such as how would the product be different?

#2: Would WWE or TNA even be around as companys without WCW ever existing, or would it be as large or popular as it is today?

#3:Would some of wwe biggest stars be as big as they are today, or would others have rosen in theit place?

Thoughts?

Please Don't Turn this into a thread that Bashes WWE or TNA, its not what this thread was meant for.

 

[TheMegaStar]

Looka Here the real Blog should be "Would wrestling be around without Jeff Jarret"?? I mean come on WCW let go of Chris Jericho and in return we got Jeff Jarret what a major and without Jeff Jarret we would not have TNA. If it werent for WCW the WWE would of been the only wrestlin company on US TV but it would have gone stale sort of whats happening now. Competition is good WCW made WWE panick and always strived to be the better company always creating new ideas and improving that is what competition is good but in the end WCW fell. But if you look at is in another perspective Mcdonalds and BK are both the biggest burger joint and and not one has fell yet but it means one has to change for the better. if WWE is mcdonalds then TNA is Taco Bell/ KFC

 

[Chauncy Talon]

The only thing I have to say is compare WWF to Nintendo. Sega/Sony made Nintendo grow up a little. They made people go to 3D. If WCW didn't make wrestlers go by fake "real" names and not have phony as Spaceman or Trashman gimmicks, we would be still watch that BS to this date.

 

[CuddleBuns84]

Where would the WWE be, without WCW? Well, I'm thinking we would of gotten the family orientated wrestling much sooner in my opinion.

WCW pulled out all the spots, with huge contract signing after huge contract signing. Forcing the WWE to focus on his current staff and new stars. Thus, the Attitude era became what it was.

If WCW never got as big as it did, a lot of talent would of never been used as well. I mean, the WWE had a home for Jericho, Benoit, Guerro, Saturn, Malekno, and the Big Show. The whole reason why, was because they felt that WCW, just didn't cut the mustard for them.

Most of those guys, would of stayed in ECW, keeping that company true to it's wrestling origins.

Not also that, without WCW, the WWE would of had a much smaller pay role. WCW raise the bar for salary, Paul Heyman can tell you that from the DVD documentary, the Rise and Fall of ECW.

WCW, really helped push the bar for sports entertainment. They helped the WWE and them beat monday night football for almost two seasons. Without WCW, WWE couldn't do what he needed to do make great business happen.

I think if we never had WCW, we would of had the PG stuff at an earlier time frame. I don't think we would of had the nWo, or a lot of ground breaking stuff. See, I don't mind the WWE, but, they will stick with a good formula till it's dead. They would of ended Hulk Hogan's career, instead of beating it to death like it is now.

So, where would the WWE be, if it wasn't for WCW? Well, it would still be around, yet, so many influences in the wrestling business would of never came about. Well, they would of have, just in a small arena in ECW.

 

[Taz]

Well, thinking about it. If there wasn't a WCW, and let's assume no Eric Bischoff for WWF to compete against, WWF wouldn't have had to push the envelope to keep up with WCW. Which could mean:

• no going overtime (past 11:00pm)
• Raw still being pre-taped
• a women's division with women who look more like wrestlers than swimsuit models (like The Fabulous Moolah for example)
• no blurring of the lines -- what's real, what's not (wrestlers battling outside the arena, or taking over the production truck)
• no Stone Cold "WHAT???" chants
• there wouldn't have been 12 years of "You Screwed Brett".
• probably wouldn't have had J.R. at the mic all those years.

I'm thinking WWF probably would've went into the 90's the way WWE is now. Family oriented, and not bothering to try very hard. I think ECW might have become the big competition to WWF in the 90's. It's possible ECW might have been the major competition to WWF instead of WCW. With Paul Heyman being the thorn in Vince's side instead of Eric Bischoff.

Imagine Hogan jumping ship to ECW instead of WCW? We might have seen Hogan in extreme matches. Thumb tacks, barbed wire, tables, etc. Matches pitting Hogan (still in his prime) against guys like Sabu, Taz, The Dudleyz, and so on.

 

[CuddleBuns84]

Looka Here the real Blog should be "Would wrestling be around without Jeff Jarret"?? I mean come on WCW let go of Chris Jericho and in return we got Jeff Jarret what a major and without Jeff Jarret we would not have TNA. If it werent for WCW the WWE would of been the only wrestlin company on US TV but it would have gone stale sort of whats happening now. Competition is good WCW made WWE panick and always strived to be the better company always creating new ideas and improving that is what competition is good but in the end WCW fell. But if you look at is in another perspective Mcdonalds and BK are both the biggest burger joint and and not one has fell yet but it means one has to change for the better. if WWE is mcdonalds then TNA is Taco Bell/ KFC

I don't want to sound mean or anything, but did you compare Chris Jericho to Jeff Jarret? Chris Jericho in his Hay Day, was quite the ring specialist, to where, I haven't seen Jarret do anything besides trying to rip off Ric Flair's moves. I mean, when he first made his Television Appearance, he strutted like Flair, and even used the figure four lock.

The whole reason he has such a love for Russo, was because Russo help re-invent his image, and changed things up. Yet, he wasn't really a big deal when he was in WCW or WWF. I mean, he jumped ships more then anyone. Then Russo got more power when he went to WCW, and promised Jeff a title. Hell, Russo was going to make Hogan job to Jarret. Call me nuts, but, that never really got me excited about WCW. Hell, he walked out on the WWF, which cost him a job with the company after the buyout.

Jarret Started TNA, not out of the goodness of his heart, but because he didn't have a job. As stated in the Rise and Fall of WCW. "They guy would smash 10,000 guitars and still couldn't get over. Why on Earth would you have him beat Hulk Hogan."

 

[Malenko316]

Sunday morning, slow day, so ok, I'll bite on this one.

If wcw never existed, yes, there would differences. WCW was able to rise in the first place because WWF were a stale, stangnant product at that point. It was resting on a few marketable names and was a production line of guys each ready to be unique (yes, exactly like the past 5yrs). Seeing that, there were dime a dozen wrestling promoters who could have challenged the model, if they had had the money. Its on that which ECW falls down as a challenger, as I maybe wrong but I've never Heyman say he wanted a Turner or Carter to make his company the rival. Consider the risk, that may have been wise.

So, no prospect really of TLC ECW vs PG WWF. But I think eventaully someone VKM pissed off (too many to list) would have found someone who saw the potential of tie ins with popular culture - or expansion focus into japan, india or china etc. So eventually there would have been competition.

I think WCW was important in highlighting the potential of many superstars, but remember, while Mysterio, Benoit, Eddie G and Jericho made the step up, saturn, malenko and many others were buried. However, given the disparagies in pay between ecw and wwf, many of those would have likely taken the money and found their way there in the end, if perhaps not in their prime.

Now, the big one, the attitude era. Firstly, guys like Michaels, Trips and SCSA would have been ME material purely on their politiking. For myself, I think eventially the penny would have dropped that while ECW etc were small, there was money to be made in sex and violence, if only to say 'you can get your fix here, but better'. As for the rest of the horse shit from that era - ministry of darkness springs to mind, much would have likely depended on if management ever figured out Russo, Bischoff, Madden et al were fraudsters pretending to be wrestling creative minds. Fact is, if you dress up a stupid, tasteless idea with enough glits, people will watch. If these parasites were given even free rein I've little doubt rock, sex and wrestling would have taken off - because sex and controversy sells - you don't need competition for that.

Maybe the Rock would not be the 'star' he is, and may guys like Angle and Lesnar would have considered joining Pride etc rather than going in wrestling. Ultimately, it's about money. The notion of a 'war' between WCW/TNA/ECW/ROH vs WWE is like saying there's a war between Goldman Sachs, BOA, Barcleys vs HSBC and the consumer is the benefieciary. Damaging one to the point it goes out of business hurts the collective and leaves less money all around. You want the 'impression' of competition, and consumers will lap up what they're given. (Oh and before someone pulls me up on it, WCW melt down was 90% self inflicted - much like TNA at present).

We'd still get the same type of shite becos it's what the paying majority of narks want sadly. PV.

 

[johnbragg]

So I guess we're saying that Vince McMahon buys out Crockett instead of Turner.

So Hogan, Piper, Savage, Dibiase don't have WCW as an option. WWF picks up Flair, Dusty Rhodes and Sting. We see the WWF title on Hogan, Flair, Savage, Dusty Rhodes, Sting, probably Undertaker, maybe Lex Luger. So guys like Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels aren't going to be wearing World Championships in the mid-1990s.

I think the Turner networks stay involved in wrestling. USWA? Could the AWA stay on life support with a late-night TBS slot, or were they just doomed no matter what? When Crockett returns to promoting, does Smoky Mountain Wrestling get a bigger audience, with control of the NWA titles? Do they become the home for "pure wrestling" in North America? Do Michaels, Hart, Austin, Pillman end up there sooner or later?

Even if TBS and Smoky Mountain Wrestling are running a mid-1990s version of ROH and pulling TNA-level ratings, WWF isn't going to be pushed to change their programming. Without Turner's money, there is no live Nitro, no two and then three hour Nitro on Mondays, no bidding wars for star talent. Without Bischoff in control, there is no NWO, and no NWO means no DX, no Stone Cold, no Attitude Era. No "cool heels." No monthly pay per views. One hour of Raw on USA, and one hour on local TV on weekends. No 1990s wrestling boom where it goes mainstream for a few years.

You also don't have Hogan dominating the world title scene for another ten years. He'd have been doing in the 1990s about what Undertaker has done for the last ten years--take off four or five months a year, come back for a mega-feud ending at Wrestlemania, leave for a few months, challenge for a world title once a year or so, win once or twice, but don't clog up the World title scene while Diesel, Rocky Maivia, Undertaker and guys like that need the belt to build star credibility.

It would be eerily similar to today's wrestling scene, but with NWA Smoky Mountain/ROH having more exposure. ECW would have gotten more exposure, but I don't think that the finances ever would have worked for them.

 

[Syborgg]

So I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you mean to ask: Where would WWE be without viable competition? Well the biggest factor is that there wouldn't have been an option for guys like Hogan, Savage, etc. Which probably means that Hulkamania would have ran wild for quite some time longer than it did. Meaning the guys like HBK, Bret Hart, The Rock, Austin, HHH, etc. Probably wouldn't have seen too many main events. If they did, it would have been on the losing end of a Hulkster leg drop. Now, with that said, it's very possible that Hulk would have retired a little sooner, but he was Vince's "big ticket" and when he left(taking Savage with him) Vince was forced to create and develop new stars to carry the WWF/E. I'm not saying those guys wouldn't have had successfull careers, but they would have been on the under-card for the majority of that time.

So where would WWE be? Well the product you're seeing right now wouldn't be all that different, but maybe we wouldn't have all the complainers trying to bring back the Attitude Era. They wouldn't know what the Attitude Era was. Although I'm not sure the extravagance would be there. The massive staging sets and pyro and lighting effects wouldn't be so prevelant. The WWE's budget would be alot smaller, because while Hulkamania was big, it was the competition that really brought WWE and WcW into the mainstream. Alot of you guys wouldn't even be wrestling fans because wrestling wasn't "cool" to watch until the days of Austin/McMahon vs. WcW/nWo came along.

 

[m1k3b14z3]

ok i dont post on here much but personally i think without competition from WCW and them getting pretty much all the major names in wrestling at the time that we would have this pg era much as someone before me said but i also think that TNA wouldnt exist i also personally think that ECW may still be around getting the TNA type ratings (i grew up going to ECW events so i maybe one sided on this) but also alot of names that made wrestling as also someone else before me said "cool to watch" wrestling all around would probably be getting crappy ratings but thats my opinion

 

[mral82]

WWE would still be around but w/ a totally different look and WCW was like TNA now as they both had NWA's backing but decided to branch off on their own. The NWA is still around but not a national conglomerit as the WWE. The stars of the WWE currently wouldn't be there and it would be a whole universe. Plus it would probably be still WWF if that was the case. The only reason for the Attitude Era was Vince was in dire straits with his company and had to do it just stay a float. So we will never know this "WHAT IF....."

 

[owen8472]

well 1st some corections WWF becaume the WWE because the World Wildlife Federation sued them over the letters so in kind the WWF became WW GET THE f OUT AFTER LOSING THE RIGHTS TO THE NAME. then about a year latter Became WWE but the Attatude era had all ready started WWE was pretty raw because of its top star this was the only direction it could go it was not because of WCW however it made a laid back company like the WWE was at the time wake up!! with stars like HBK HHH Stone Cold and the Rock as the big 4 against basicly the NWO Nash HALL HOGAN Sting,

if they do anything for one night only i think WWE and TNA should come togther make a super card dream fights like

AJ Styles VS Randy Orton
Sting VS Taker
DX VS NWO
Samoa JOE VS Big Show

that would be a great event bring back something like starcade a mixed WWE TNA NWA event it would draw big money and make both companys look good if they could put on a join event like this and work togther to keep both products fresh