When did we start hating Christian & Sheamus?

[JJV]

Both of them are good, if not great. The reason no one really cares about these guys is because they've got nothing to do atm. Sheamus goes on winning pointless matches while Christian goes on jobbing to random superstars.

If Christian develops his heel character and goes after the US or IC champ or form a tag team with someone like Miz (who also isn't relevant atm), people will start taking him seriously. He should win more matches too.

For Sheamus, he needs some good feuds that make sense. His feud with Sandow last year was pretty good, but just before it could get better WWE ended the feud. He can probably feud with Ziggler after WM, and could then be the Wyatt Family's next target. After that he could go after the world championship. He needs to climb up the ladder once again, kinda like what Orton did after losing the Heavyweight championship to Henry back in 2011. I would actually like to see Sheamus go after Ambrose for the US title, after all he is a former champ and due to the fact that he can't really get involved in the world championship now. He could also join the Authority after WM (turning him heel in the process) while Shield could turn on the Authority and become faces, after Vince returns. Hell he can form a tag team with Christian now, turning heel. They could feud with the Usos and other tag teams. I don't know how much sense that makes, but it could work if booked properly. Sheamus could lose some no 1 contenders matches and then team with Christian, both guys could say they haven't been doing well alone so they're gonna try and reach the top together; beating other teams and going after the tag titles.

There are so many ways to use the talents in WWE but they aren't doing anything with many of the guys. Look at what they did to John Morrison and Drew McIntyre, those guys were gold and everyone knew they were future world champs. When WWE pushes one or two superstars, they destroy so many others!

 

[enviousdominous]

Just because you either started watching WWE recently or just have a case of memory loss, doesn't mean Sheamus wasn't where Punk is now. Follow that up with the fact that Sheamus would continue to be cheered for a long while after that, despite being a heel, I think that confirms that he was in fact the perfect anti-Cena at the time. It really wasn't until he beat Daniel Bryan at Mania that people started to get stale with Sheamus, and even then, he was still relatively over with live crowds up until his recent injury.

Don't draw arbitrary conclusions and then use them as the crux of your argument against me. You're telling me that because Sheamus was picked to be the guy who would take the belt from Cena, an occurrence that would have earned a huge pop no matter who was picked to participate, that he was good enough to be considered an alternative to John Cena.

Sheamus was an obscure performer who was allowed to beat John Cena in a tables match so they could bump up Cena's title count. He didn't destroy anyone with a clever promo or perform in a way that mandated his place at the top, he was HHH's buddy and got his spot because HHH honestly thought that knee-jerking Sheamus to the top was a viable way to get him over.

Sheamus won the belt indecisively, and his title defenses were indecisive as well. Sure, he was a heel. Even heel champions get a pin here and there, all of Sheamus' successful efforts to retain the belt were by winning or losing by DQ. Randy Orton and John weren't about to lay down for him.

Sheamus was not cheered for a long time, being an over heel doesn't confirm that you're a perfect anti-Cena. Sheamus wasn't an over heel, he's a one-note performer who only gets a spot on the card because HHH is so emotionally invested in him.

Or did you also forget that people enjoyed his program with Big Show?

Good grief, stop acting like your fucking stupid argument that I'm a newbie to the pro-wrestling world or that I'm just having a severe case of amnesia is any form of validation for your perspective. I didn't enjoy Sheamus' program with the Big Show, that's a subjective matter. Just because I might not be aware that a socially backward solipsist like you enjoyed it doesn't make it a universal aesthetic. Sheamus was allowed to go over Big Show and it didn't do anything for either of them, it was another redundant feud for Sheamus because he's not interesting enough to be part of the title picture.

Sheamus as he is today is as he was back then, a jackass who's grasping at straws for an interesting hook because his style didn't get him as far as he thought it would. I hate John Cena because he's an unprofessional dick-head who improvises spots that interrupt the flow of a match and has been milking his appearance to and from the ring as the only reason you should take him seriously, Sheamus is his deformed twin.

 

[Jonyboyuk2]

The fans are sick of seeing Christian fail in his pursuit to be a main event guy. He has actually got so much charisma given the chance to be a great heel. but they stop and stall with him all the time like they do with many. The WWE has a history of this in fact - look at Stone Cold, they brought him in as the Ringmaster, then pushed him as STSA to win the KOTR in 1996, then did little with him until Survivor Series. Christian never gets pushed far enough.

The same with Sheamus - he was a monster heel, he got over then he turned face and he was stalling even before he got injured. For me, the time his character started to slip was when HHH did that no selling and did a savage beat down in February 2011 to Sheamus. It killed any momentum he had dead.

After the face turn, later that year Sheamus feuded with Christian extensively and nobody can be bothered to see it again. The same goes with John Cena and Randy Orton.

And for that reason, when WrestleMania Season is over, CM Punk can name his price- the WWE just doesn't have enough people over to help carry the business.

What he now needs is a new heel persona and a gimmick change,

 

[GeneralKarim]

I guess people are a bit sick and tired of Sheamus' face run.

The guy is over, I never understood why people say he isnt.He always gets a good reaction and people always sit up on their feet and cheer for him and shit.And his matches are very good and hard hitting.But his face run didnt go so well.He became this cheesy dude with his Oncle Larny stories or w/e and it was just bad.

This is not a "Heel solves everything" thing. As hard hitting wrestler, him as a bad ass heel works great. Problem is, the moment he turned face, he still hit hard but he became Cena 2.0. Not to mention he never has good feuds. He is always in these filler matches where he wins, gets a good reaction and goes home.

I myself, am stil a fan of his, even tho I'm not really into his face run, but he has been so forgettable due to his booking that I don't really care at this point about it. But I do see why they might not want to invest in him that much at this point. He just turned 36, so he;'s basically Cena's age and nowhere near his level and he isnt good enough on the mic to be a big face and his only role could be to be a heel that just helps talent get over.

Besides that, can we please, for fkn baby jesus on a stick, stop with the Sheamus vs Del rio matches. It's getting to Cena vs Randy Orton point now. Same for Sheamus vs christian. JUST STOP IT! Good thing I torrent this stuff, I can skip past it. Don't get me wrong, they always put on hard fought matches, but I'm just tired of seeing it.


When it comes to Christian, I think the guy just never had enough backing and whenever he would get a shot he would take full advantage of it, only to have the rug pulled from underneath him.

He hasnt changed anything about his character face/heel for way too long, he has the same act as a face.He never wins anything big, he isn't given enough air time, or good promo material. The dude can have massive charisma on the mic if given the opportunity but at this point I dont think they care that much for him to invest time into him.They probably turned him heel so that he can retire as a chickenshit heel.

Btw didnt Christian's promo about seeing a more violent side of him, or smth like that, remind you of Kofi's wildcat promo?Just empty promises to make us look forward to their future development, when in reality there wont be any development at all, just saddening disappointment.I mean the dude is 40, you waited that long to show us that aggressive side?pathetic ( kayfabe ofc ).

Christian is just a tired act and people have invested in him and been let down time after time after time after time.

 

[ADLegend21]

I like Christian, and I like Sheamus, but these two have been wrestling week in week out since before the chamber. Worse than that, Christian hasn't won any of the encounters. Last night had a twist no doubt, but it was still the same matchup from last week. If this feud is set to lead into a Mania match, i'd put money on seeing them wrestle six more times before then as well. Both guys could do better with a little change.

I would also say that the upper midcard tier of these guys is a little lacking in charisma, Sheamus is a goof, Christian never really won me over (I missed his best years), ADR is as interesting as a cactus. When these guys fight (and they fight often) it gets harder and harder to care.

The bolded. It's predictable. Christian will put up a great fight, but Sheamus comes out on top. Granted, Christian put Sheamus out of the chamber with that magnificent frog splash, but other than that Sheamus has beaten him and then Christain attacks him after the match. they keep having Christian talk about wanting one more world title match, then book him to lose. He's never been taken seriously by the booking when it came to world titles after he won the title when Edge had to retire, he only held that one for two days and he was a terribly written heel because he had legitimate gripes during finishes but he was the bad guy.

The matches themselves are great, but the end is the same so it gets boring after a while. Maybe have Christian win 3 to set up the final "game 7" match between them at Mania to spice it up.

 

[kadroan]

A former mid-card match on a 'B' show now looks like it's going to be a mid-card match at WrestleMania. Just what is the point.

Both are in dire need of character overhauls. Sheamus just doesn't work as a face and Christian has lost so much momentum over the last two and a half years you just can't see him ever getting it back.

I agree totally. I would love to see Sheamus become the new muscle of The Authority, it's hard to take Kane seriously anymore. Sheamus is better as a heel and since it's been a while he could put on different matchups like facing Bryan if Bryan becomes champ, Big Show, etc.

As far as Christian, I think he's just better off in a tag team. He could help boost that division since the older names have came back.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

Sheamus is great worker but he not so good at mic. Always was like that. Thats what is stoping him from becoming great. They push him down to our throats since he debuted but he still cant get that over. They dont give up on him and he was always booked super strong but fact is he never really did get over that much. Maybe he will be but for now, no...

Christian is just a Jannetty from "The Rockers". Edge was a big deal, but Christian is not eventhough he is good entertainer. Good worker and good entertainer but just never got that big as his former tag team partner.

That being said, I dont hate either of them. Both are good in their own ways.

In a way they are similar. It would be good match and have no doubt Sheamus would win(reports are saying that he is due to big push again after Mania). More looking forward to see their display in the ring then if Orton- Batista stays as mainevent. But both of them have limitations and there is a reason why any of them wasnt that much of a "top guy". Isnt too late for Sheamus though. With some improvements in mic other then "Fella" and "Brogue kick" everyone in middle of promos maybe he can be "The Man"...

 

[Dagger Dias]

I can't speak for everyone but I never started to hate Christian or Sheamus. Both of them remain among my favorite members of the roster. Christian has seen less success than Edge from their amazing tag team. That being said he has still done quite well and can put on fantastic matches any night of the year. I don't see any reason to dislike him. Sheamus is underrated. Some dislike him as a face, this I disagree with. I find his promos as a face hilarious. He was my puppy's namesake and that's a decision I don't regret. I often enjoy his matches. As for their recent matches together, I'd like to see more. If that puts me in the minority due to my opinion, so be it. If we got ONE MORE MATCH between them, I'd gladly watch. I don't see myself ever getting to the point where I dislike either one of them.

 

[TheT]

Christian has always been boring.

He looks like shit and has done so the last years.

Christian is not a legend, he's like a b-version of the WWF, he was not good then and not good now.

 

[RedRegan1005]

No hate towards Christian. No hate towards Sheamus. There is However, Hate towards Christian VS. Sheamus. We've seen the match so many times and there current feud really has no reason behind it. Its just a case of two notable guys coming back and WWE going, "Oh shit. What do we do with these guy?" We'll have to be patient. Post Mania I'm sure they'll have something more for them. But dear lord I hope they get these two away from each other, the poor guys can't think of anything different to do in the ring. They've had enough matches to fill up moths worth of TV, and PPV's. I give them credit for continuing to bust their ass to change things up and try to put on good matches. And from a quality standpoint, their recent matches have been good. We've just seen it so often that its likes watching the back to the future trilogy for a week straight. By the third day you get what the movies are about and you're not gonna see anything different and you're just damn bored. On the other hand Christian should go down in Sheamus's career as the man to receive the most Brogue Kicks ever.