Looking at someone like dean ambrose who is just floating around has got me thinking why doesn't wwe just have the talent who do not have a feud on tv just not show up on tv. They take a break per say... I say this because personally When Iook at a talent and they are just floating around not having any meaning is much worse than not using him at all and letting the guy or girl take a break. An example I could use is dean ambrose now after his feud with rollins for the title wwe obviously has nothing for him currently and that's why he is having matches with Bo Dallas. now instead of that why not have the last image or thought we would have of ambrose be that he was in the wwe title picture and next time he comes back he will be back into it... This kind of idea what techniqually what they do with wyatt who doesn't show up on tv unless he has a fued. So do you guys agree with my idea?
What to do with talents without feuds
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Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Your point is well taken, yet there are other reasons to be in the ring besides being involved in a feud. When one of the minor title champions (IC or US) is in a match.....whether the belt is on the line or not..... his opponent doesn't have to have a feud running with the champion to deliver an entertaining match. The company wants to keep the champions fighting.
Other cases might involve performers whom WWE has in the early stages of a push, a guy/gal who is matched weekly with carefully selected opponents that will provide greater opposition to the hotshot than he conquered the week before. A feud might not be necessary to put over a wrestler who is working his way up the ladder; just diversity in opponents.
Finally, I don't know how much the performers would care for the idea of getting the week off if they're not involved in a specific program; they know their bread & butter comes from appearing on TV so they can build a fan following......plus, if they don't wrestle, they don't make as much money.
As to your point about Dean Ambrose, I'm of the opinion the only reason he was in a brief feud with Seth Rollins was because management needed to elevate someone to main event level on a temporary basis.....and Dean's 'Shield' connection to Seth made him a good candidate. But I think of Ambrose as a midcard performer who is between feuds right now because he's returning to where he actually belongs.
Just an opinion.
BestSportsEntertainer
I Don't Need No User Title
Or just give them an actual feud. Seems simple, but it works. You don't pay guys to sit at home and do nothing. There's also another problem; the wrestler would lose momentum after just disappearing for a couple of weeks.
chicagokmc
Getting Noticed By Management
For the wrestlers that fans don't really care about, WWE does that now and you don't see them on tv if they aren't in feuds. Fans pop for Ambrose and WWE seems to be behind him. Why not maximize his tv exposure? I'd rather watch Ambrose ramble on about nothing than Zach Ryder going "woo woo woo" any day of the seek.
Vanilla Midget
Championship Contender
Or give them feuds. This feud with Dallas probably should have culminated with a PPV match. Ambrose vs Sheamus would have been far more interesting than the latter's program with Orton. WWE really needs to capitalize on superstars momentum before giving them nothing.
They keep doing this with Wyatt, a feud then coasting. A vacation could reduce the momentum of an up and comer like Ambrose. Your Cenas or Ortons could easily take a month or two off, but someone in Ambrose's position could get hurt.
Ambrose should be in a high profile match at Summerslam. With Lesnar working face, there's even more of an over abundance of faces. I see no clear opponent for Ambrose, so he might be a candidate for a heel turn.
Good thought healthwise, but only the old guard can afford to take time off without the risk of losing momentum.
They keep doing this with Wyatt, a feud then coasting. A vacation could reduce the momentum of an up and comer like Ambrose. Your Cenas or Ortons could easily take a month or two off, but someone in Ambrose's position could get hurt.
Ambrose should be in a high profile match at Summerslam. With Lesnar working face, there's even more of an over abundance of faces. I see no clear opponent for Ambrose, so he might be a candidate for a heel turn.
Good thought healthwise, but only the old guard can afford to take time off without the risk of losing momentum.
Sexcellence of Sexecution
#SwerveKing
What to do with wrestlers that aren't in feuds? Put them in feuds.
Say what you want about Vince Russo but he recognized the importance of having every person on the roster, top to bottom, being involved in an angle that progresses from week to week. RAW is 3 fucking hours long, plus you've got another 2 hours for SmackDown, plus an hour for Main Event and an hour for Superstars. There is so much time to fill, it's amazing that they can't involve everybody in a story.
At the end of the day, it boils down to laziness. The writing staff is 20+ people in total, they have like 7 hours of TV. There's really no excuse for it.
Say what you want about Vince Russo but he recognized the importance of having every person on the roster, top to bottom, being involved in an angle that progresses from week to week. RAW is 3 fucking hours long, plus you've got another 2 hours for SmackDown, plus an hour for Main Event and an hour for Superstars. There is so much time to fill, it's amazing that they can't involve everybody in a story.
At the end of the day, it boils down to laziness. The writing staff is 20+ people in total, they have like 7 hours of TV. There's really no excuse for it.
That's the last thing these guys want, if they're getting paid it would be a waste of money if they're not being used. Remember, it's all about the money for every talent and WWE especially. They get paid more for being on the show and they don't want to sit at home and collect a paycheck. Use these talents properly or get rid of them.
Prince Vee
Better than I think I am
It seems like WWE is sort of disoriented when it comes to utilizing the talents without storyline. Dean should've been at least in the corner of Roman Reigns for his feud with Bray Wyatt. Or Bray should've attacked Dean, the only friend that's left in the company for Roman, and made things more intricate for Roman Reigns.
But I can't complain about the same problem in other contexts. For instance, WWE are using Rusev and Cesaro quite in a good way and keeping them both strong and relevant. They aren't just feeding jobbers for Rusev anymore; If they planned to just please don't! Rusev looked certainly strong in his match last night on RAW. Regarding some talents, WWE are undertaking necessary measures to keep them rational but for the others they just don't. I don't see where the problem is. WWE should evaluate the potential of their talents and utilize them efficiently.
Cheers!!
The obvious answer to the OP's question is give talent a feud. As someone else pointed out they have a hell of a lot of TV time each week to kill, and I pretty much think everyone is sick of SD because it's a replay of RAW. I mean how many times can we see Big Show/Rollins in a tag match with Ambrose/Reigns, or Sheamus/Big Show tag teaming against Orton/Reigns. Or any combination of the bunch.
There is no reason to have the same people on RAW and SD. While I'm not advocating a brand split, having different feuds spanning over two shows, would not only give those without a feud something to do. Not only that it might give us a reason to tune in. As it is I haven't watched SD in forever, mostly because it airs here in Toronto at the same time NXT does, and I would rather watch that.
Anyhow with the amount of time they have, no one should be sitting at home.
There is no reason to have the same people on RAW and SD. While I'm not advocating a brand split, having different feuds spanning over two shows, would not only give those without a feud something to do. Not only that it might give us a reason to tune in. As it is I haven't watched SD in forever, mostly because it airs here in Toronto at the same time NXT does, and I would rather watch that.
Anyhow with the amount of time they have, no one should be sitting at home.
MartialHorror
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I don't believe everyone needs a feud. Is anyone enjoying 'Barrett Vs Truth'? As someone who likes both men, I've hated their storyline. Did anyone care about 'Bo Vs Neville'?
My problem with the 'Orton Vs Sheamus' storyline is that it feels like padding.
My problem with the 'Orton Vs Sheamus' storyline is that it feels like padding.
I don't think you guys understand what the meaning of this thread is for... If wwe creative were actually putting people into feuds than I wouldn't even have thought of making the thread but they are not. I am just wondering if an alternative way of treating talents without feuds instead of randomly putting them into meaningless matches and I thought of just letting them take a break and just compete at live events and dark matches until they get a feud. I say this because I hate seeing meaningless matches on raw that don't lead to anything because it makes me think that I am wasting my time caring about these guys if they are not doing anything.
No I do understand what the thread is about. But in saying that isn't wrestling about putting two big muscular guys in a ring, poking them with a stick and letting them go at it. That's how it used to be. Really the only ongoing feuds we ever saw were wrestlers in the title hunt. Other than that wasn't it just the age old story of good versus evil.
Does everything today have to be a soap opera? They aren't actors, they are wrestlers, and that's where a lot of them fall flat. Take Reigns for instance. Great look, tons of charisma, not too shabby in the ring, but not so wonderful on the mic. Especially when you put him next to a Bray Wyatt, Seth Rollins or John Cena.
On the other hand take Bray Wyatt. Gold on the mic, but not that great in the ring. Not too many are the total package like a John Cena or the Rock, both of whom are fantastic in the ring and on the mic.
So to make a long story short, I don't see anything wrong with someone like Dean Ambrose taking on Bo Dallas for a couple of match. It keeps Ambrose on TV and makes Bo Dallas relevant as well. Just because they don't have a proper storyline like Lesnar/Rollins, doesn't mean they should be left of TV.
Does everything today have to be a soap opera? They aren't actors, they are wrestlers, and that's where a lot of them fall flat. Take Reigns for instance. Great look, tons of charisma, not too shabby in the ring, but not so wonderful on the mic. Especially when you put him next to a Bray Wyatt, Seth Rollins or John Cena.
On the other hand take Bray Wyatt. Gold on the mic, but not that great in the ring. Not too many are the total package like a John Cena or the Rock, both of whom are fantastic in the ring and on the mic.
So to make a long story short, I don't see anything wrong with someone like Dean Ambrose taking on Bo Dallas for a couple of match. It keeps Ambrose on TV and makes Bo Dallas relevant as well. Just because they don't have a proper storyline like Lesnar/Rollins, doesn't mean they should be left of TV.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Actually, they really should send guys on a small vaction with maybe an NXT taping appearance more often. This will keep them more fresh for TV and TV audiences.
As for the OP's issue, the answer is both obvious, and will also never ever happen.
You maintain a rankings system, or allude to the power 25. Therefore, while not embroiled in a feud, guys can still be working towards something, a title shot, moving up the ladder in the rankings. This would also re-enforce the importance or intensity of a personal feud, as the two competitors have decided that their personal issues are more important to them than the rankings (much like what happens in sports rivalries)....this while announcers and programming continually puts over the importance of the rankings, and the chase for the ultimate prize.
This would require some creative booking of the mid card titles, yes, but that can be worked around.
Since I recognize hoping for a literal ranking system is unrealistic, the announcers should at the very least emphasize the impact of whatever match that's in front of them is having on the pecking order and contention for a title.
BestSportsEntertainer
I Don't Need No User Title
Maybe they could incorporate it into a storyline. Such as Kevin Owens attacking John Cena after their match at Money in the Bank. That allowed Cena to miss the following Raw, giving him some rest. Immediately after typing that, I realized he might have needed time to film the movie Trainwreck.
Ambrose is a draw. They can't really afford to give him time off even when they don't have nothing for him to do. He definitely enhances storylines. He makes Reigns more likable. Him and Rollins got history.
I would create more stables.
In the attitude era pretty much everyone on the roster was in a stable. That way you could combine several feuds into one storyline and get as many guys as possible into one segment on TV. Instead of having 5 different segments for 5 different feuds, you could have one segment and one match that covered all 5 feuds if the 10 guys involved were in 2 stables.
Problem is every time they have a good stable, instead of adding to it they disband it. Stables and teams never stay together long enough.
I think RAW would be a lot more interesting if the majority of the roster were part of some kind of alliance...
The Shield: Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns
(Never should have broke up. They were excellent together. Only Rollins has benefited from the split and his MITB win and subsequent title reign could have been even better if he had Dean and Roman watching his back instead of Kane and J&J.)
Rusev, Cesaro, Sheamus, Barrett & Neville
(I'm not sure what to call them, but I like the idea of these 5 European wrestlers joining forces to win all the titles. Rusev as World Champion, Cesaro as IC Champion, Sheamus as the US Champion, and Barrett and Neville as tag champions. Some might not be able to see Neville as a heel but right now he's on the path to being another Evan Bourne, so a heel turn would serve him well in the future. Both he and Barrett are Brits so I feel they make the most sense as a tandom and seem to be the furthest away from singles championships compared to the other 3. They could be like a heel british bulldogs.)
The Wyatt Family: Bray, Harper, Rowan, Dallas, Truth
(Much like the Shield, they never should have separated. It has benefited no one. If anything they should have added more guys seeing as how Bray is supposed to be a cult leader. Bo Dallas being the obvious candidate to join, while I also like the idea of a psycho heel R-Truth)
And then you have all the tag teams: Prime Time Players, Ascension, The New Day, Lucha Dragons, Uso's, and MizDow (another team that never should have broke up. I miss seeing Sandow the stunt double)
That leaves only the following guys working on their own:
Brock, Cena, Orton, Ryback, Bryan, Ziggler, Owens, Big Show, Mark Henry, Kane
(Most of those guys belong on their own as they're either monster heels or superhero faces)
In the attitude era pretty much everyone on the roster was in a stable. That way you could combine several feuds into one storyline and get as many guys as possible into one segment on TV. Instead of having 5 different segments for 5 different feuds, you could have one segment and one match that covered all 5 feuds if the 10 guys involved were in 2 stables.
Problem is every time they have a good stable, instead of adding to it they disband it. Stables and teams never stay together long enough.
I think RAW would be a lot more interesting if the majority of the roster were part of some kind of alliance...
The Shield: Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns
(Never should have broke up. They were excellent together. Only Rollins has benefited from the split and his MITB win and subsequent title reign could have been even better if he had Dean and Roman watching his back instead of Kane and J&J.)
Rusev, Cesaro, Sheamus, Barrett & Neville
(I'm not sure what to call them, but I like the idea of these 5 European wrestlers joining forces to win all the titles. Rusev as World Champion, Cesaro as IC Champion, Sheamus as the US Champion, and Barrett and Neville as tag champions. Some might not be able to see Neville as a heel but right now he's on the path to being another Evan Bourne, so a heel turn would serve him well in the future. Both he and Barrett are Brits so I feel they make the most sense as a tandom and seem to be the furthest away from singles championships compared to the other 3. They could be like a heel british bulldogs.)
The Wyatt Family: Bray, Harper, Rowan, Dallas, Truth
(Much like the Shield, they never should have separated. It has benefited no one. If anything they should have added more guys seeing as how Bray is supposed to be a cult leader. Bo Dallas being the obvious candidate to join, while I also like the idea of a psycho heel R-Truth)
And then you have all the tag teams: Prime Time Players, Ascension, The New Day, Lucha Dragons, Uso's, and MizDow (another team that never should have broke up. I miss seeing Sandow the stunt double)
That leaves only the following guys working on their own:
Brock, Cena, Orton, Ryback, Bryan, Ziggler, Owens, Big Show, Mark Henry, Kane
(Most of those guys belong on their own as they're either monster heels or superhero faces)
You took the words out of my mouth.
Russo may get a lot of stick, rightly or wrongly, but he did make sure everyone had something going on. Obviously at the time I just enjoyed it and took it for granted, but watching a lot of the old Raws back it's clear how all the roster had something going on and in turn made the audience care about them. There is so much lazy filler product right now it's painful. If you take the US open challenge out of Raw, what do you actually have? Once Cena drops the belt it's going to be intersting what they do to fill that time. I think we'll just end up with an another dead 40 minutes segment.
I can understand why Vince only cares what the top few guys are doing, as they're the cash cows, but the writing staff should care about the rest of the guys, even for their own career development. I'd want to be the guy who started helping a few guys get over and make some money.
