What if Vince McMahon wasn't WWE's Chairman?

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

Now, we all know that Christian's success has been halted many times. Despite the fact that Christian is a former European Champion, a former Hardcore Champion, a 3-time Intercontinental Champion, a former Light Heavyweight Champion, and a 9-time Tag Team Champion... he's always had the World Championship elude him. It's no secret that Vince is not a big fan of Christian, which is why he has still never won the World Title. He claims that he doesn't see Christian as a main event superstar, which is a bunch of bullshit.

If Vince McMahon had enough faith in Christian, he would have never left for TNA and he could have been a multiple time World Champion. If Vince McMahon wasn't the chairman of WWE, how would Christian's career have gone? Would Christian have gotten released or would he still have quit and went to TNA? Could he have won the World Championship atleast once or be a multiple-time champ, like Edge?

Let me know what you think about one of WWE's greatest superstars, Christian. Let your voices be heard.

 

[The Todd]

So this is a thread on Christian basically then? Well I htink Vince has it spot on. Christian has never been more than a mid carder. He is the Matt Hardy from Edge and Christian tag team.

Edge was over instantly when he left the tag team scene, Christian was a tag team wrestler for a while after that. He is not in Edge's league.

When I heard the rumours over his Rumble return, I was livid. He was never a main eventer last time, why should he return as an instant main eventer? ECW is the best place for him. Leave him there another year, give him the title eventually. If he does well, by all means promote him to SD, but then he will be nothing more than an upper midcarder. He is possibly the most overrated superstar at the current time, along with Shelton Benjamin. I just can't understand his appeal.

 

[bulldog76]

So this is a thread on Christian basically then? Well I htink Vince has it spot on. Christian has never been more than a mid carder. He is the Matt Hardy from Edge and Christian tag team.

So what you are saying is Christian is to Edge as Matt Hardy is to Jeff? Then that must mean Christian is a better and more dependable wrestler than the 8time champ. Think Jeff is main-event? He has been in the title match of the Royal Rumble the last 2 years (with 2 of the 3 best heels) and the buy-rates have been not supporting of Jeff. Jeff is a poor man's Mick Foley. All the stunts without the talent or mic skills.

Many former champs aren't necessarily main-eventers. Big Show, Khali, Jeff Hardy, CM Punk, Kane, Rey Myserio, JBL, Eddie Guerrero. Chris Jericho's first title reign was probably pre-mature. Christian (at the time when he left) was in almost if not every TLC tag match and only suffered one major injury. He's at work, works with anyone, doesn't trash anyone publicly (even though he may want to), and has significantly more charisma than most of the names of the former champs listed above. He subjects his body to hell and continues to work.

Long title reign, probably not. But, short intermitent title reigns to give fans a breather from the likes of Triple H, Cena, Edge, and Orton (especially during summer months) would be nice to see. This is where I think Jeff, Kane and Punk could fit in along with Christian.

 

[The_Don_of_WWE]

I think if Vince wasn't chairman...a lot of things would be different. A lot of dead wrestlers would be alive. The hall of fame in WWE would mean something. People with talent would get the push they deserve. WCW would still be around. In other words...Vince fuck up the wrestling industry in whole. He has it to his liking and not us fans.

 

[bulldog76]

I think if Vince wasn't chairman...a lot of things would be different. A lot of dead wrestlers would be alive. The hall of fame in WWE would mean something. People with talent would get the push they deserve. WCW would still be around. In other words...Vince fuck up the wrestling industry in whole. He has it to his liking and not us fans.

Vince didn't shove the drugs down their throats. Why is Hogan and Nash (2 people who have admitted steroid use) still alive? There are more that are still alive. Plus, Vince paid for Bam Bam's funeral and has funded several former talents to go to rehab.

Hardly anyone was watching WCW. That is why it went under. Vince didn't kill it. WCW's stupidity and pride killed it. People who didn't deserve pushes got them elsewhere. Vince gave people chances others didn't. Austin WCW/WWF. Foley WCW/WWF. Undertaker, Nash, Kane, Triple H, Jericho, Jeff Hardy, Rey Mysterio, RVD. He pushed them. No one else did.

(Don't tell me RVD was pushed in ECW when he didn't hold the ECW World Title until Vince owned it.)

 

[The Todd]

So what you are saying is Christian is to Edge as Matt Hardy is to Jeff? Then that must mean Christian is a better and more dependable wrestler than the 8time champ. Think Jeff is main-event? He has been in the title match of the Royal Rumble the last 2 years (with 2 of the 3 best heels) and the buy-rates have been not supporting of Jeff. Jeff is a poor man's Mick Foley. All the stunts without the talent or mic skills.

Think Jeff isn't main event? So him being in every title match from Unforgiven until No Way Out on the SD brand is not main event? (SS he was taken out of it, but still the storyline about the match) He gets the biggest pop in the company and he sells lots of merchandise. You're blaming Jeff for bad Rumble buy rates? Not the fact that the thing that sells the Rumble is THE RUMBLE MATCH!! Maybe, just maybe, the Rumble wasn't hyped enough. So fuck if you don't like his in ring style, he's over with the live crowd and the people who buy products, which Vince cares a hell of a lot more about than internet fans.

Matt Hardy, no matter how hard they push him, just isn't quite Main Event. He barely got a reaction as a face, he had to screw Jeff to get the reaction and now he gets a lot of heat, but he is not main event. Christian is not main event either. Why would he be? And to the people saying he feuded with Cena before he left, so? 2005 is not well looked upon in wrestling history due to their not being much talent, in the company now there is so much more superior wrestlers to him. He is upper mid card at best.

 

[blkbrucewillis]

Do you mean if Vince wasn't the chairman now? Not too sure on the directon of this thread but

1) I really don't buy into the whole Vince disliking Christian thing because if he isn't too high on him why would he bring him back in the first place?

2) If Vince wasn't the chairman who's to say things would or wouldn't be way worse than they are now?

 

[TwistofRKO]

So what you are saying is Christian is to Edge as Matt Hardy is to Jeff? Then that must mean Christian is a better and more dependable wrestler than the 8time champ.

Nah, I think by reading what he said he clearly likened Edge and Jeff Hardy and Christian and Matt Hardy. It wasn't that mind-bending.

Think Jeff is main-event?

Umm, yes.


My take on Christian is that he can be solid on the upper mid-card. That's a good fit. At best I think he could be in a brand's PPV main event when it's an EC or scramble match. He'd be alright for that. He just has no sell to carry a card.

 

[BlitzSage]

IMO, if Christian was so good, they would have no choice making him a top guy, know what I mean? They're wrong bout alot of guys, but if they're good enough, the fans react to them, and that starts a chain reaction that makes them the top guy. If he was popular or respected enough, Vince would have no choice. So I don't think much would change.

 

[bulldog76]

First of all calm down Pebble. Secondly, there have been plenty of people that have been in the main-event for consecutive months (Khali, Benoit, Guerrero, JBL) that most would not consider main-eventers. Jeff found a really good storyline, got a great push, lost his title to a huge rival and was the focal point of SmackDown for a few months. Benoit got a similar opportunity on Raw and look what where he was headed.

Now that the chase is over, Jeff loses some of his luster; much like Benoit. He isn't great on the mic. Fans (including I) do appreciate some of the stunts but if you are the champ, you sell the PPV. Pops are nice but if you are not selling the PPVs, then you'll be dropped back to mid-carder in a second. I expect Jeff to be used a lot like Benoit from now on (maintain credibility with minimal title runs and occasionally be asked to bring the next guy up). I could easily see Jeff getting the title again but never a seriously sustained run. That is why I am not so quick to call him a main-eventer.

I think Christian fits this category. I never said he was a main-eventer. He is one that may see one or two title reigns at most but that's it. He'll be upper-midcard and rightfully so. Christian is Chris Jericho before he left; popular but not someone to carry the company.

 

[supergav67]

Well..To answer your thread.Isnt now a good a time to find out?
Now.Im not asking for vince to go,or necessarily think he should.But while the ratings are slipping recently.WWE has no immediate threat from TNA/RoH or NWA.No SeRiouS monday night wars he might lose.No attitude era he HaS to be seen to be part of.In fact,if anything,His recent appearances have coincided with some ill timed copping it (before Benoit & that TNA worker).If ever there was a time where Vince could be made Honorary chairmen & guide the kids through the daily running while He,S alive & got a few years left,now is it.
The alternative is to hold on to HiS company (mine,mine MINE!) till he snuffs it leaving WWE up shit creek with lots of sub captains but no paddle.It looks like Vince,d prefer it that way.