What If Montreal Was A Work?

[The Roid Rage]

Ok, so most of you are going to think I was smoking crystal meth with Connor Oberst and the bats in the belfry, and I am from Iowa so I can see why you'd think that but let me assure it's only the chronic. These Montreal topics have been big as of late and I thought "Why not start another one?". I was watching Wrestling With Shadows, and I thought to myself "What If ?" And really, what if it was and is a work???

It's possible. It would be one of the biggest works ever, and the wrestling business has had bigger ones. For example wrestling supposing to be real !!! That was all a work, or how about back on Raw when Owen Hart and Shawn had their match and they played it off as Shawn passing out in the ring due to head trauma? That shit seemed real, and you could go on and on with the works they have pulled on the fans for years. This one could be too in theory.

What if ??? I would and wouldn't be shocked. I just think about the relationship that Bret and Vince really had, and I can't imagine anyone coming up with a better work than this one. Look at the "Bret Screwed Bret" speech where Vince "Has a black eye" It looks more like makeup than a real black eye, of course I've had a black eye that looked like a mascara run rather than a black eye so that is possible too. But imagine if they really did sit down and think this shit up. Wouldn't that be a trip? And if you did think it all up, at the time you would have had to know what a big deal it would all be. Things degenerated much too fast when you think about it for it all to have been anything but a work, another part of the ongoing story of Bret Hart, the WWE, and Vince McMahon.

If you know Bret too, you know he is an old school guy. This would play right into the old school rules of "Well make it seem legit to the public and never let on anything but that, but we will know the truth." And Bret always said he was going to finish his career with the WWE, maybe the Montreal Screwjob was a set-up for when Bret returned from WCW. Remember, he only had a 3 year deal with them. They could have agreed to do this whole deal and put it on ice, let Bret go secure his finances in WCW while helping Vince and his finances at the time, then when he really needed to beat Turner, Bret would come back and they'd have this huge huge rivalry to work with and bring the spotlight back on the WWE. Bret very well could have had every intention of going back to the WWE after that and continuing from where they left off, but his plans were all sidelined due to Goldberg and the famous kick heard 'round the world. So, they just kept a lid on it thinking Bret would return at some point, but then came the strokes, and gone were any hopes of a return, until now.

Now most people are speculating that what we will see is a closure to the situation revolving around that, and that has to make one wonder if by some slight of hand, by some chance, this was all a work. Think about it. Bret came back not too long ago to do the Hitman DVD deal with Vince too, as well as the Hall of Fame. Now would that have all went down if the whole Montreal incident was anything but a work??? Maybe, Maybe not.

Really look at it, and it seems like it had to be, it played out just like a wrestling storyline aside from the real life problems Bret has had meaning the Goldberg kick and his 2 strokes, followed by the death of pretty much his entire family. Those could all easily derail the plans that we are seeing unfold now, and maybe that is why it has taken 12 years. Maybe we are just now getting to where we might have been 9 years ago in the saga of Vince, Bret, Shawn, Triple H, and Montreal. The wrestling business is very secretive, and good at hiding them despite our best efforts to uncover them. It may not be the most likely of circumstances, but one could make a good case, and I think I have here. Now for your responses.

 

[salopstick]

good post, ive always believed it to be a work

the animosity between bret and vince is more because of owen's death and the fact him and shawn did not get on

the fact they used shawn as the bad guy in the work just strengthens the story

 

[hlhbk]

Wow i wondered how long it would take until someone posted this nonsense. i am sorry but if it was a work we would have found out when shawn admitted to being in the know about what went down back when he found god.

Also if this was a work Hart would have come back to WWE TV a long long time ago.

 

[The Roid Rage]

Wow i wondered how long it would take until someone posted this nonsense.

It's not nonsense, I just made the whole case. It's thinking outside of the box, and looking at possible, however unlikely, scenarios most people might not have thought of or mentioned.

i am sorry but if it was a work we would have found out when shawn admitted to being in the know about what went down back when he found god.

No we would have found out exactly what we did, that he knew about it. That was really the only thing in question about the situation as far as it went with Shawn. If it was a work, and he was involved in that, there is no doubt in my mind that he would keep mum about it.

Also if this was a work Hart would have come back to WWE TV a long long time ago.

Obviously you either didn't read my post, or you didn't absorb anything I said about it. I noted the reason why it would have taken this long. You should actually read the post before you shit on it.

You've given the worst arguments possible, and obviously just wanted to say something negative about it. I happened to work on that a while and I thought it was a well thought out idea, that was well explained. I am only raising question to what we "Know" as the truth, and offering up a possible alternative truth that is really compelling.

Now for anyone else who reads, I am very interested in knowing what you all think about what I wrote, the likelihood of it, the implications etc. etc. etc.

 

[LokiCobain1]

Wow i wondered how long it would take until someone posted this nonsense. i am sorry but if it was a work we would have found out when shawn admitted to being in the know about what went down back when he found god.

Also if this was a work Hart would have come back to WWE TV a long long time ago.

The nonsense is that Shawn found God, and the assumption that now since he found God, he wouldn't continue doing his job of acting. And as mentioned, the animosity with WWE came from the Owen situation, so because of that, he hadn't come back to WWE in a long long time.

I like the post, and have always left the possibility open myself. If it is a work, then it has to be the best one they've ever done. And if not, I got more amusement out of it than ever before. That moment sparked incredible changes in the WWE, so whether or not it was a work, I'm glad it happened.

 

[Blade]

Ok, so most of you are going to think I was smoking crystal meth with Connor Oberst and the bats in the belfry, and I am from Iowa so I can see why you'd think that but let me assure it's only the chronic. These Montreal topics have been big as of late and I thought "Why not start another one?". I was watching Wrestling With Shadows, and I thought to myself "What If ?" And really, what if it was and is a work???

Nah. I don't think Bret Hart could live with such a huge lie for the last 12 years. I think DX and Vince probably could. But Bret Hart wouldn't be like that. Despite his quite big ego, he also loves his fans. He wouldn't lie to them for over a decade because he respects them and wouldn't want to lose them over a silly work.

It's possible. It would be one of the biggest works ever, and the wrestling business has had bigger ones. For example wrestling supposing to be real !!! That was all a work, or how about back on Raw when Owen Hart and Shawn had their match and they played it off as Shawn passing out in the ring due to head trauma? That shit seemed real, and you could go on and on with the works they have pulled on the fans for years. This one could be too in theory.

You can't compare the Shawn work to the Montreal Screwjob. All Shawn had to do was lie there for a few minutes, staying still. Bret Hart would've had to fake utmost rage on the night then fake utmost bitterness for the last 12 years. He's not that good an actor.

What if ??? I would and wouldn't be shocked. I just think about the relationship that Bret and Vince really had, and I can't imagine anyone coming up with a better work than this one. Look at the "Bret Screwed Bret" speech where Vince "Has a black eye" It looks more like makeup than a real black eye, of course I've had a black eye that looked like a mascara run rather than a black eye so that is possible too.

Well, yeah, cause they put make up over the black eye for the interview. It's pretty simple. Why would he put on a mock fake black eye if it was a work? I don't know of anyone who said "I didn't believe the Montreal Screwjob was real until I saw Vince with the black eye, that really swayed me!". I mean, come on, it's logic.

But imagine if they really did sit down and think this shit up. Wouldn't that be a trip? And if you did think it all up, at the time you would have had to know what a big deal it would all be. Things degenerated much too fast when you think about it for it all to have been anything but a work, another part of the ongoing story of Bret Hart, the WWE, and Vince McMahon.

Degenerated too fast? Have you seen wrestling with shadows? Or read Bret's biography. Bret had been leaving him for months. He's been talking about it with Vince for months. First Vince said they couldn't afford to keep Bret any longer then he said he's do anything to keep Bret... It was very long and winded. It was bound to end with something big and the Screwjob was that something.

If you know Bret too, you know he is an old school guy. This would play right into the old school rules of "Well make it seem legit to the public and never let on anything but that, but we will know the truth." And Bret always said he was going to finish his career with the WWE, maybe the Montreal Screwjob was a set-up for when Bret returned from WCW. Remember, he only had a 3 year deal with them. They could have agreed to do this whole deal and put it on ice, let Bret go secure his finances in WCW while helping Vince and his finances at the time, then when he really needed to beat Turner, Bret would come back and they'd have this huge huge rivalry to work with and bring the spotlight back on the WWE. Bret very well could have had every intention of going back to the WWE after that and continuing from where they left off, but his plans were all sidelined due to Goldberg and the famous kick heard 'round the world. So, they just kept a lid on it thinking Bret would return at some point, but then came the strokes, and gone were any hopes of a return, until now.

That makes no sense. Why would Vince send Bret to WCW so he could win the war with WCW. Call me crazy, but that seems a little silly. Bret wasn't a major draw, but his departure to WCW was massive. If WCW had used him properly, he could've helped WCW win the war. Unless you're saying Vince actually controlled WCW's booking staff and made them book Bret badly.
So what if Bret only had 3 years on his contract in WCW? His body was still a mess by that point between his injuries and his knees, which were getting really bad. There's no way he would've been able to wrestle for much longer than the 3 years.

Now most people are speculating that what we will see is a closure to the situation revolving around that, and that has to make one wonder if by some slight of hand, by some chance, this was all a work. Think about it. Bret came back not too long ago to do the Hitman DVD deal with Vince too, as well as the Hall of Fame. Now would that have all went down if the whole Montreal incident was anything but a work??? Maybe, Maybe not.

If the whole Montreal incident was a work, Bret would've come back to WWE long ago. And for a whole lot more than a Hall of Fame place and a DVD. That doesn't mean anything. He did both of those things for his fans... And perhaps a little for the money.

Really look at it, and it seems like it had to be, it played out just like a wrestling storyline aside from the real life problems Bret has had meaning the Goldberg kick and his 2 strokes, followed by the death of pretty much his entire family. Those could all easily derail the plans that we are seeing unfold now, and maybe that is why it has taken 12 years. Maybe we are just now getting to where we might have been 9 years ago in the saga of Vince, Bret, Shawn, Triple H, and Montreal. The wrestling business is very secretive, and good at hiding them despite our best efforts to uncover them. It may not be the most likely of circumstances, but one could make a good case, and I think I have here. Now for your responses.

The wrestling business isn't that secretive. The amount of plans that have been spoiled by the internet are countless by this point. When WWE pulls off a surprise without it getting spoiled they're very lucky.

But essentially, what you're saying is that Bret Hart lied in Wrestling with Shadows, lied in his Biography and just lied in day to day life to his fans and friends for the last 12 years?

Or maybe, maybe... Open your mind real wide now.... It wasn't a work.

 

[Shane101]

In my opinion it was no work, even though i am open to the idea of it being a work. Bret's return for me would not only bring positive closure for his career but closure for the "Screwjob", even though i used to feel a little goosbump feeling each time Goldberg's old WCW theme played i still hate the guy, he even went out of his way to blame Bret for the kick.

And ever since we heard Jericho wrestled him to the ground two times straight, most credibility (for 45% of the fans) has been lost for Goldberg. That seems like some sort of karma i guess, however the biggest goosebumps i may ever have in wrestling will be at Jan 4th, most you guys would probably know the exact time i will be marking out anyway.

 

[nicko153]

Good morning everyone,

I've been reading these forums for quite some time and I love this topic and the arguments so I had to join in.

The game rage - well thought out and it would be wicked if they come with that on the jan 4th raw and tell people yeah it was planned from the very beginning but didn't exactly unfold like it was meant to. Then they just had to change some stuff along the way but kept it going nevertheless. I don't think the whole thing is a work though. Maybe some of it and then with the animosity that existed between bret and shawn over who the poster boy would be to carry the company and then bret and vince about leaving to go to wcw and the pay issues something bad was bound to happen.

So i think that some of it was meant to be a work and the rest was actual real life backstabbing and conflict. either way it will be so interesting to see how it all unfolds come next year.

Great post though.

 

[Dre Guevara]

@ The_Game_Rage,

I feel U on this topic, however, I remember watching that Survivor Series as it happened & from my point of view, it seemed 2 intense 2 be a work, on top of that, Vince would be a damn fool 2 let someone give hime a shiner 4 the sake of ratings. I remember arguing folks up & down back in the day on whether or not wrestling was fake, in this case, I'm not sure how I'd react if the Montreal Screwjob turned out 2 be a work.

 

[slipstatic77]

Speaking of Goldberg, has anyone considered the possibility that he could wind up as a guest host on Raw to promote his appearance on the upcoming season of celebrity apprentice, which coincidentally begins airing in March just before WM26. He could figure into a Bret storyline, even if it is minor Monday night only type role.

 

[HITMANFAN]

Though a huge Bret fan and really believing that the MSJ was NOT a work, I have, in my time, entertained the notion that it may have been a work of sorts. Althought my thought development was somewhat different from the ideas stated above.

My thought was this. VMcM has always been an agressive business man. He has been capable of taking huge risks with his product. He recognised that his main threat was from WCW at a very early stage. To fully eliminate that threat, he would either have to destroy it totally...or own it totally. He may, even subconsciously, realised the need to buy out WCW eventually. As the WWE began winning the ratings wars, he knew that he was getting into a better and better postion to do so. So in comes the MSJ angle. Effectively..."Bret, it's ok for you to move to WCW, because when I beat them, I will have to end up buying them out, so you will end up back with me anyway."

Hence the MSJ and the move to WCW. Life being a pain in the butt did not allow for Bret's kick to the head from a clumsy oaf, or his strokes, so that pretty much killed it dead. But VMcM did beat WCW, he did end up buying it and inheriting the roster and if Bret were healthy, he would have had him back in the fold.

And all of this done in such a way, so as to keep people talking about it for over a decade.

That said, it was only ever idle speculation because I have met Bret and I liked him and how he was with his fan - the respect and appreciation he has for them - and I do not belive that he would have kept up this work/lie for 12 years. I mean, there's old school kayfabe and then there's this.

 

[Rated_R_Superstar2010]

haha good post. everything you said makes sense and this would have been the biggest work in wrestling history but.... bret would have returned way before this. you really think they are going to wait this long just to have him come back and help the hart dynasty. wwe's popularity is nothing like it was and they sure as hell wouldnt waste that kind of storyline on the current product.

now the PG era as a work.....well thats another topic for another day

 

[bowlah]

I believe that Montreal was the last great work of the "old" era. Kayfabe was officially dead, and the fans were smarter, more informed, and more cynical than ever in the mid-late 90s. Vince had already made his public speech on RAW that wrestling would no longer insult the public's intelligence by claiming to be a shoot and kayfabing with a straight face. However, I believe Montreal was a work of pure genius, and a work of kayfabe. Here are the points as i see them:

* Bret Hart had Creative Control in his contract. Not even Vince could legally force him to lay down or submit to anyone, anywhere, in his last 30 days with the company unless Bret agreed 100%. This is the ultimate factor because it involves business law, and business law is the strongest force in the universe. Heck, its even stronger than Hulkamania! Just ask Marvel comics.

*Bret did not want to drop the belt CLEAN, in Canada no less, to a man he allegedly had legit personal grievances with, Shawn Michaels.

*Bret was leaving, and Shawn was the next intended champion. No matter who likes Shawn or not, this was Vince's plan and he wanted-no, he needed- to put the belt on Michaels at a large PPV event where WWF could earn maximum profit and publicity from a Hart/Michaels title switch. Doing the switch at some house show would have been a financial and creative suicide. This should be obvious to all and require no explanation.

*Bret DID NOT HAVE TO KNOW about the screwjob, for the screwjob itself to have been a planned work. Only Vince and the ref had to know. A work is no less of a work, just because one participant is unaware or unwilling. The show must go on, and that show is wrestling which is a 100% WORK since the early days of rigged matches at carnivals and county fairs.

However, I suspect that Bret Hart was aware and supported what was going to happen. If they changed a finish without his knowledge, it could have been considered breach of contract. Creative control of finishes not honored by WWF=lawsuit, and to my knowledge no suit of that nature was ever filed.

Look at the result...

*Bret gets to leave without losing clean to a hated rival in his own home town. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED FOR BRET.

*Shawn gets the belt as intended. He also gets some more heat and notoriety. MISISON ACCOMPLISHED FOR SHAWN.

*WWF gets millions in revenue for showing the switch on PPV. They also get a lot of controversy and attention. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED FOR WWF.

*Mr. McMahon turns full heel. The "evil boss" is born and commits his first public act by causing the screwjob. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED FOR VINCE and the MR. MCMAHON CHARACTER.

Really, its amazing that we're still talking about this over a decade later. Still wondering and debating over the facts. Still fascinated by it all. Its entirely possible that on 1/4, Bret and the ghost of Montreal will help WWE crush TNA in the ratings on the very first day of the NEW F"N WAR! Now that's what I call getting mileage out of an angle!

Best.Work.Ever.

 

[bowlah]

bret would have returned way before this. you really think they are going to wait this long just to have him come back and help the hart dynasty. wwe's popularity is nothing like it was and they sure as hell wouldnt waste that kind of storyline on the current product. /QUOTE]

I disagree with this because of Bret's health issues, and the matter of Owen's death. Just because he hasn't been back doesn't prove Montreal was not a work, no matter how much the product might suck. The main goal of Montreal was to transition Bret out the door in 97. Nobody at the time really knew what the future would hold. For all we knew in 1997, WCW could still be in business in 2010 with Bret as a lifer and 14 time champ by now.

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

Good post. If there were say, 1999 instead of 2009 then I'd certainly consider this to be a work. The wounds wound still be fresh and Shawn Michaels would have been out for about a year. But also you'd have to take into consideration that Bret WENT to WCW. Had he just sat out for a year or two then yes, a work it could have/would have been. But as time went on, it just seemed more like something that really occured than a 10-11 year plan that was hatched. I don't think Vince ever sat down and said "hey, let's run this story for a decade. Let's really bring in talent after talent, change our name, have goofy storylines, etc etc and THEN bring you back in 2010. Wouldn't happen. Not saying your theory is just incredibly bad, but it just isn't correct. Like someone previously stated, it was more about Bret not liking Shawn than him not liking Vince and feeling Vince was supposed to be his friend and feeling betrayed, plus with Owen dying, that just broke Bret's back. Throw in the death and you got yourself 10 years of bad blood. But I think Bret, being the true man he is, put all that behind him a few years back at the HOF and decided ONE DAY he would return. I wanna see that Raw since HBK will more than likely be there. NOW a confrontation with them...Could be the real deal

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

I pose this question... if it was a work, then why would Hart blatantly say he was going to WCW on WWE programming? To be honest, this is a solid post that took some time to make, however if this were to be a work, it would go down as one of the bigger works in wrestling history. It's well known that Hart and McMahon had some well known animosity mainly due to Hart thinking he still had some life left, whereas Vince thought Hart was getting stale and the best thing to do was get the belt away from him.

It's a novel conspiracy idea and we all want it to be a work, but there's no way it can't be. His brother was killed in a WWE ring in a mishap that more than likely shouldn't have happened in the first place. Before Owen's death, I may entertain the idea the screwjob was a work, but not after what happened with Owen. There was some legit tensions with McMahon and Hart. Trust me, neither of these folks are good actors.

 

[salopstick]

as stated the reallife tension is to do with owen

people leave wrestling companies all the time and return so bret was always going to come back but it was in his best interests to keep the work a secret. he has made a good living out of this the last 12 years

his injury and owen prevented him from returning earlier, all i think is his relationship must have thawed with vince for it to be now, i also assume hbk and bret have spoken and buried the hatchet

 

[bowlah]

Midnite, let me clarify my theory a little. I really don't see how Bret's return, or lack of return, makes any difference in Montreal being a work in the first place.

I guess people are assuming that if it WAS a work, they would have had Bret back sooner than this to "finish" the angle. Midnite has said that Bret's absence (until now) indicates that Montreal was a shoot because the angle was left unfinished in a sudden manner. I respectfully disagree because don't believe this has anything to do with it.

I state that the angle WAS finished, for all intents and purposes, with the screwjob, because Bret was leaving for WCW on a multi-year contract. Come hell or high water, we wouldn't be seeing Bret in a WWE ring until his WCW deal ran out, period. So right there, its minimum 3 years until Vince could have hired him again to continue any angles (please correct me if Bret had a different deal, I remember it as 3 years).

Bret's career ending injury in 2000 and subsequent stroke in 2002 put the kibosh on EVERYTHING. No return was then possible due to legit medical reasons. I bet if Bret was healthy after WCW died, Vince would have signed him in a split second, but it just wasn't meant to be.

I believe or at least suspect that Bret IS bitter...bitter that the Montreal work HAD to happen. That no other arrangement would have or could have occurred, without Bret, Shawn, and the WWF itself taking undue financial and artistic loss. Everyone had the power to make demands, and egos as always got involved. I doubt we'll ever get the real story because a true worker hates to spill the beans, but it still makes a good topic of discussion.

 

[Dagger Dias]

At first I thought to myself "ok here we go, another thread about the Bret Hart screwjob...." but after reading the original post, I must say that was brilliantly thought out. What IF Montreal was a work? Most of us are convinced it was 100% real. The scenario of Bret not wanting to put HBK over, the controversial win, "Bret screwed Bret", and everything that followed, all seemed too real to be a work. Especially when Bret is on the mic at one point and has some choice words about how he thinks he should still be champion.

If this was a work (and I'm certainly not saying it was), then us finding out that it was fake would be the biggest swerve since Hogan's NWO heel turn. I think that if it was fake then Hart would have returned, but he obviously couldn't because of Goldberg's kick. He did come back for the hall of fame induction, and had a taped segment during the 2007 draft where he once again had some choice words for how he disliked Vince.


Then, we have Hart's rumored return on January 4th to counter TNA Impact airing the same night. That would be the perfect time to reveal that the screwjob was fake (if it was) because so many people would be far more interested in what Bret has to say after that, than virtually ANYTHING else. It would be a HUGE moment because everyone is still talking about montreal after 12 years, and they even tried (in a very bad attempt) to recreate it at Breaking Point. I definitely don't think that it was fake at all, but if it was then that is something to really make you think because it raises so many questions and possibilities.

 

[hatehabsforever]

After a superb debate with LORDSIDIOUS (the one about the house shows being a rip-off for the fans), a debate which I felt THE GAME RAGE won, I felt, with all due respect, that this, while a well written and thought-out post, was a little bit of a silly concept. The Montreal Screw Job being a work would be right up there with Elvis or Michael Jackson still being alive, or the JFK conspiracy.

Sure, there is an element of logic in the post, and it is well written and thought out, but it's inconceivable to me a that a work of this magnitude could be perpetuated for so long. And if it were to have been accomplished against all odds, what would there be to gain by revealing this kayfabe now, 12 years later.

In the surreal world of professional wrestling, the work could not have been sustained for so long without someone letting it slip. As stated by many, Owen's death contributed greatly to the animosity between Vince and Bret, and I think such animosity would have counteracted the ability to sustain a work of this nature.

I'm 100% convinced the Montreal incident was real. It is the reality of it that produced the evil McMahon figure, which was the perfect opponent for SCSA, which was the salvation of the WWE. And it's the reality of it that will make Hart's return to the WWE that much more memorable.

 

[boozinjedi]

I concur with most of the posts here....It could've been a work.We all know that after Bret went to WCW,they never really knew what to do with him.
They thought that just getting him would put them over the top.
BUT then..Owen(RIP)happened and that changed everything!!
One question that I should ask that has yet to be asked...What ever happened to the lawsuit (if one was filed)over Owen's death?
Has a settlement occured?most likely long ago..could that have sparked Bret's return??

 

[therealicon86]

well i personally think that yes, we don't know the true story behind survivor series 1997 and yeah alot of different stories have been told by vince, shawn, hunter, and bret. hell even hogan tried to tell his opinion about it( and may i say he was totally off about it) but the thing is we all agree on this....SOMEONE IS LYING AND SOMEONE IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

okay, lets look at it this way. if montreal was truly a work...then i will kiss all of the asses of the people involved and vince and hunter are fucking geniuses. and shawn would be the best supporting actor and bret would and should be recieving his emmy and golden globe and the creative team should recive awards for the best story ever told....er.. in this case never told honestly.

now, if this was not a work then i can say that truly yes it was scandelous, yes it was underhanded and yes bret hart was indeed "black balled" by shawn hunter and vince,and its wrong for them to do that to bret but it is also wrong for him (bret) to hold a grudge like that and be bitter for 12 years.

now before i continue i don't know bret's side of this story cause i cannot find his book. ive looked and i have yet to find it. so if you can help me and tell me bret's side,,,,but this is what i have heard.

they were in the office and bret's idea was to not lose in montreal. and have bret come out the next night on raw and say i can't wrestle here no more or something like that and surrender the title and bret left the room.

so then shawn, hunter, and vince was in the office and i guess vince was thinking it but hunter said it "fuck him he don't want to do business then we do it for him and well,.... you know what happened.

but it comes to this bret will be there on the 4th and dx will be in the building and vince has been moved to the raw roster so all i can say is this .....
what you should predict ...NOTHING!
what you should expect......ANYTHING!

 

[lonewolfhc]

great post alot of commen. i have wonder for year if it was. i mean after like a cuple of months. The bio channel or a&e came on with wrestleing with shadowns. They had a amera follow breat. i watched going how the hell did they know to have a camera with them We all know what happen with the women title wean she left for wcw. would breat of came out on raw and just left it at that no. look at bisoff and hogan at the time you know dam good and well they would of eat it up and took the belt and distroyed it. if it was a work who know vince and surpised us all before this would of been the best work ever i would clap. if tht was work maybe they all sat down ok go to wcw find out what they are doing fill us in. The hole thing with Owen RIP i think some should put him in the hall of fame but i dont know about the widow i know she hates wwe. it would be a nice thing to do. Maybe would really be cool if breat said i will do it but i want owne in the hall of fame do sigh a contract , my freind nad i have discussed this alot but we are always un sure. it was the best thing that happen to wwe to kick wcw butt. guess what this is what is going to kick TNA but iroinc no lol . Even in mick foleys book he quit that night owen could of quit that night to he didnt. owen was getting a nice push with DX own could of walked out he didnt so think of all factors here. if it is poor owen left us too soon and that would killed the MSJ . If they need to get all factors need to be bring back heffner and we would have all players in the game but he is in tna what is going on withhim

 

[jr7936]

Now what I was thinking was, lets say at wrestlemania or whenever there is a match between the heart dynasty and dx for the tag belts, bret is in the dynasty's corner as a mentor/mouthpiece. It looks like the dynasty will win but then all of a sudden bret screws over the dynasty and sides with dx. He comes out and says the screwjob was a work,but we wouldn't know if it would be kayfabe or not. Everyone would be thinking if what he said was real or it was an angle. It would be one of the most memorible nights or ways to lead into an episode of wwe tv in a long while

 

[Iamawesome]

I had to respond! I have had many thoughts about this topic over the years!

1: I think Vince killed Owen!
2: I think Bret has come to terms with "a paycheck is a paycheck!"
3: Bret has family in wwe and is afraid of another family member dying!

I think Vince is a terrorist!
I don't think a storyline was originally writen for this fued! I think they are taking advantage of a serious issue!