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I was watching this week's RAW and I witnessed how meaningless superstar Kane has become. He was the monster in the attitude era and now without having any scary element he feuds with Adam Rose,the most ridiculous superstar in the current roster. He had a nice career,he was not the top guy but he was one of them. He had some interesting feuds-against the Undertaker- and he was ruining people quite often. He was a devastating and scary man back then.

In 1997 he debuted as the Undertaker's brother,a big red monster. He was part of the attitude era doing a very good job. In 2003 he unmasked. He was a pretty scary man but he lost most of his character power. For almost 10 years he achieved quite a lot things winning a Money in the Bank, championships etc. He was part of the ECW too. Then,in 2011 he made a strong come back as the devil's favorite demon with a mask again. His return made a big impact but he didn't accomplish something special. He won the tag team championships with Daniel Bryan and they were a hell of a team. In 2013,the authority converted him into corporate Kane. Having lost any momentum,they decided to make him again the masked monster. He had a chance to win the belt but he lost to Daniel Bryan at Extreme Rules(2014). He had two more chances to win the gold but as the authority's member,he was obliged to help and not to win. And that leads me to now,when there has not left even a small piece of his old character.

I believe that Kane can wrestle for at least a year. He is 47-the oldest active performer- but he can perform. Wouldn't be better if they had him compete for the mid card belts,being a constant threat. He could make some good storylines against Sheamus,Cesaro but his last year had some very negative results. Bringing him back as monster may not work but it can happen somehow. I prefer watching him wrestling for a belt to watching him doing ridiculous things. If his career ends in such way,this will be disrespectful for him because he has given alot to the company.

What do you think guys? Should he compete for a mid card championship or it is better watching him being a useless item in the WWE?
 
Kane is easily the worst character on the roster both in terms of acting and physical ability. He should be held out of he ring entirely at this point. His matches are bad, he can barely complete an offensive move correctly now let alone sell an opponent's.

The fact that WWE doesn't realize this and shoves him down our throats is terrible. He needs to just go away for good at this point in time.
 
I didn't mind Corporate Kane at the beginning because he was this scary looking monster in a suit that was beating people up. I only began disliking the character after he started losing consistently. He's almost 7ft and is very built, I just don't believe that he should be losing half as easily as he does most of the time.
 
I guess it would be cool to see Kane fight for the IC/US Championships, but the problem with that is, a victory over Kane doesn't do much for somebody like Dolph Ziggler or Rusev at this point. Kane would strictly be a filler feud, and a pretty lacklustre one at that for the likes of Dolph Ziggler, BNB, Rusev, Ryback, Harper etc. This is mainly because he's already been beaten pretty handily by Dolph Ziggler and Ryback lately... It's sad to say, but it seems even the mid-card has left Kane behind at this point in his career.

2 years ago, hell even last year, Kane would have been a very believable threat to the mid-card titles, but whether people want to admit it or not, the mid-card scene has become exponentially stronger than it has been in a long time. It seems WWE has gone back to the formula of IC/US Champion = Future WWEWHC and Kane just does not fit into that category.

I've liked Kane since his debut but perhaps it's time for him to just retire from in-ring competition.
 
Maybe he should retire but it is humiliating having this guy feuding with Adam Rose. Such big superstar should have a better and respectful end. He has become a -bottom- superstar after 17 years in the company and he doesn't deserve it.
 
Ever since he became part of the Authority he was ruined for good in my eyes anyway. He's lost so many matches is in the last year alone, that it's done major damage to his credibility.

i remember a time when you would see fear in wrestlers eyes when his music hit and they realized he was their opponent. Now it's just "Oh here we go again". The crowd response is lackluster to say the least, I just think everyone is sick and tired of him. He has made it a career now to interfere in matches, and quite honestly if I never see him again it wouldn't be a bad thing.

Shame really, they took at monster, tamed him and now look at him. He's a shadow of his former self. He is good as corporate Kane, making matches and trying to screw people over, but he should just stay out of the ring now and let the younger guys shine like he used too.
 
In 1997 he debuted.....

That's the key to the entire subject. That's a long time....and he's spent plenty of it on or near the top.....not so much in terms of championship reigns, but in the effectiveness of his character.

Through it all, he's been fierce, scary and intimidating which, if you consider the scope of his persona since he entered WWE, has been exactly the character the company needed him to portray. Corporate or not, masked or not, alone or associated with others, he's always been the monster, the guy everyone else had to look for constantly over their shoulders.

Okay, so now it seems to have come full circle. Watching him against Ryback on Smackdown, no one really believed Kane was going to win, did they? Still, even as we know Ryback is a monster in the midst of a dead-on push, we could count on Kane slamming him around in a manner that virtually no one else is able to.....and Kane did. His purpose was to elevate Ryback's standing....and he succeeded.

He's still scary, still useful. I don't believe he needs any kind of character change to "bring him back" to his former glory. Glenn Jacobs knows his function in the company and my guess is that he's perfectly happy with it.
 
If anything Kane's current work is a testament to what should be right in the business. He is giving back and helping a new generation of Super Star grow into their own. Sure he drops a lot of matches but picking up a W and L is no longer the point for him or his character. I would agree his time should be coming to an end but who will fill the void left on the roster when he departs?
 
I think the biggest problems concerning Kane are that he's been around for so long and the fact that he's getting older during a time when there are a lot of much younger and fresher faces on the roster or coming to the roster.

We've seen Kane feud for tag team titles, mid-card titles and main event titles. Personally, I think being part of Team Hell No was the last big hurrah of his career. He & Bryan had unlikely but amazing chemistry and Kane showed that he could be more than a monster. But, at the same time, there's really nothing "fresh" to be done with Kane without a complete overhaul of him. Even then, it's pretty iffy at best.

Personally, I'd prefer WWE actually get some use out of Kane more than what he's being used for. I could see him feuding for a mid-card title or make him part of a genuinely strong tag team once again as part of rebooting tag team picture. Hell, I'd be open to the possibility of seeing him manage The Ascension when they hit the main roster.
 
Kane hasn't been relevant since 1998. His character has been destroyed beyond repair. No one takes kane seriously anymore.
He used to be a monster that everyone feared. Now he is a joke wrestler that loses to everyone.
Beating kane means nothing anymore.
Kane was ruined a long time ago. In 1998, after jobbing to the undertaker and stone cold he was ruined.
I used to be a kane fan. He just needs to go away for good.
He is embarrassing himself.

Too all the people who says, he is putting people over.
You can put people over without losing all the time. Destroys your credibility.
Wins and loses does mean something in wrestling. Despite what people say.
Kane has no credibility anymore.
 
I believe Kane is helping the younger talent on there way up. He should not retire maybe become a manager for a young tag team just like you guys were saying. I think he still has one good run left in him maybe for the U.S. title or Intercontinental title. When the Authority comes back Kane will have a job, here are some ideas:
1. Masked Kane vs. Rusev for the U.S. title
2. Masked Kane and Bray Wyatt as a Tag Team
3. Kane manages a young Tag Team
4. Kane as a bodyguard for Seth instead of those two goofs
5. Kane and Undertaker team up in both of there last matches at the up and coming Wrestlemania.
 
At this point in his career, Kane isn't about wins and losses. He just wants to hurt people and make their path harder to get through. Most of his losses came at the hands of BIG TIME SUPERSTARS, so it doesn't hurt his credibility. Other than momentum gaining wins against Adam Rose lately, I think he actually had impressive wins against Dean Ambrose and Dolph Ziggler, major stars in this company. Kane may have not beaten Daniel Bryan at Extreme Rules to win the WWE WHC, but he injured DB which forced the Authority to strip him of the title. Kane accomplished his mission: he eviscerated Daniel Bryan, sent him straight to Hell, and made sure the Authority's biggest enemy was no longer champion. I am a Kane fan and I enjoyed everything he continued to the WWE this year .
 
My issue with Kane has nothing to do with wins and losses and everything to do with his performance/character...

He is awful in the ring. He can't do anything right. His moves don't come close to looking realistic. He can't sell ANYTHING anymore. They are consistently the worst part of every show.

Furthermore, he's boring. No character gimmick. Plain black dress pants with some elbow guards and that's it? I mean if you insist on putting him on TV then at least make him super scary or in some way theatrical.

He's literally just some dude they trot out from the back to try and fill time.

If you need Kane to fill time in a 3-hour show, maybe the show shouldn't be 3 hours anymore.
 
I was watching this week's RAW and I witnessed how meaningless superstar Kane has become. He was the monster in the attitude era and now without having any scary element he feuds with Adam Rose,the most ridiculous superstar in the current roster. He had a nice career,he was not the top guy but he was one of them. He had some interesting feuds-against the Undertaker- and he was ruining people quite often. He was a devastating and scary man back then.

In 1997 he debuted as the Undertaker's brother,a big red monster. He was part of the attitude era doing a very good job. In 2003 he unmasked. He was a pretty scary man but he lost most of his character power. For almost 10 years he achieved quite a lot things winning a Money in the Bank, championships etc. He was part of the ECW too. Then,in 2011 he made a strong come back as the devil's favorite demon with a mask again. His return made a big impact but he didn't accomplish something special. He won the tag team championships with Daniel Bryan and they were a hell of a team. In 2013,the authority converted him into corporate Kane. Having lost any momentum,they decided to make him again the masked monster. He had a chance to win the belt but he lost to Daniel Bryan at Extreme Rules(2014). He had two more chances to win the gold but as the authority's member,he was obliged to help and not to win. And that leads me to now,when there has not left even a small piece of his old character.

I believe that Kane can wrestle for at least a year. He is 47-the oldest active performer- but he can perform. Wouldn't be better if they had him compete for the mid card belts,being a constant threat. He could make some good storylines against Sheamus,Cesaro but his last year had some very negative results. Bringing him back as monster may not work but it can happen somehow. I prefer watching him wrestling for a belt to watching him doing ridiculous things. If his career ends in such way,this will be disrespectful for him because he has given alot to the company.

What do you think guys? Should he compete for a mid card championship or it is better watching him being a useless item in the WWE?

I've always liked Kane. He's in amazing shape to be so old but he's clearly lost a step.

I'm fine with what he's doing. One thing that's great about Kane, he's versatile. He can put over a talent like he did with Ryback or look like a legit threat to the WWE WHC like he was with Bryan after WM XXX.
 
If anything Kane's current work is a testament to what should be right in the business. He is giving back and helping a new generation of Super Star grow into their own. Sure he drops a lot of matches but picking up a W and L is no longer the point for him or his character. I would agree his time should be coming to an end but who will fill the void left on the roster when he departs?

No one is saying he didn't have a good career in the WWE, and the fact that he is currently still employed and can go in the ring is proof of that. The issue is the way he's being used. It's sad to see the monster Kane end up as Seth Rollins bitch, and the Authority's lapdog. Which in truth is what's he's become. Never in a million years would you see the Undertaker taking on that role. I've no idea why they've destroyed the Kane character in such a way but there you have it.

At this point in his career, Kane isn't about wins and losses. He just wants to hurt people and make their path harder to get through. Most of his losses came at the hands of BIG TIME SUPERSTARS, so it doesn't hurt his credibility. Other than momentum gaining wins against Adam Rose lately, I think he actually had impressive wins against Dean Ambrose and Dolph Ziggler, major stars in this company. Kane may have not beaten Daniel Bryan at Extreme Rules to win the WWE WHC, but he injured DB which forced the Authority to strip him of the title. Kane accomplished his mission: he eviscerated Daniel Bryan, sent him straight to Hell, and made sure the Authority's biggest enemy was no longer champion. I am a Kane fan and I enjoyed everything he continued to the WWE this year .

Of course he's lost credibility, and feuding with Adam Rose is not a career or momentum builder. For crying out loud the last two matches Kane was in he tombstoned the Bunny of all people.

When Kane was in his prime, he would have roasted the Bunny on a spit and laughed his head off about doing it. He didn't hurt Daniel Bryan. Bryan was already suffering from the injury and the feud with Kane was to get him off TV. They just want you to think Kane finished him off.

You do know that wrestling is fake and it's scripted so that no one is supposed to get hurt, don't you? I know injuries do happen, but if both wrestlers are following their spots they should be able to walk out of the ring.
 
At this point, they should "Fire" Kane at a "House" show and write him off TV. I think it is a fitting end storyline wise.

UnderTaker ruined his life as a child, burned the house down, scarred Kane. He was a failure in WWE as he was once again buried by Undertaker, so again he is scarred by being fired and never seen again. It comes full circle.
 
This is an interesting one.

Although the shows recently may not have shown it, I feel that Kane will become less and less relevant from this point forward with Rusev, Rollins, Wyatt and Big Show all fighting in the top spots, and Bad News Barrett set to return and battle for the IC Title supposedly. I also would rather he didn't feud for a midcard title, as I honestly think he is not a worthy contender anymore and it would defeat the purpose of the WWE raising the prestige of the midcard titles. It is a shame. I'm gonna be bold and say that his singles career is over. I could see him as Jack-Hammer stated, which would be a role as a manager for the Ascension, or maybe 'raise' a monster in either Luke Harper or Erick Rowan. Other than that I would prefer him to go away to be remembered as the monster he was.
 
Kane is in the twilight of a great career. His gimmick just wasn't as good as the Undertaker. If he had been given a better gimmick he could have done so much more, but for a over a decade his character had no personality on purpose. He will be a hall of famer because of all the great matches. In the beginning his character had more going for him than did Taker's but the character never grew after the whole family fire thing.
He's an old school big man with tremendous athletic ability, and I believe he was locked into a gimmick that had no future for over a decade. Masked, unmasked, they just kept screwing with the same old gimmick and never really advanced it. Undertaker underwent several big changes to his character over the years and it helped his "entertainability." Kane never had such luck.
And well, if they're just gonna use him for comic relief, he might as well go back to being Isaac Yankem DDS and pulling teeth backstage in those silly but funny vignettes they used to do.
 
Who would have thought "The Big Red Monster" would went through so many changes and keep that character for almost 20 years. He was a silent monster/Undertaker 2.0, a comedy character and just above everything in between. It just makes no sense to me to repeatedly put a guy out there people groan over who comes out in get this - black slacks - and wrestlers and/or runs in on every match as an easy out not to hurt guys with losses.

They put the suit on, take it off, put the mask on, take it off... tease him being dangerous, then make him run a concession stand... that is this year alone. I get that he is a consistent worker and is there to put guys over by this point but the time is to start bringing in some fresh blood. Luke Harper could be the "new Kane".

Everything he does seems to be the opposite of "connecting with the crowd" at this point other than being there forever. He has a boring look and his move set sucks and we've seen it a million times. His best role recently has just been Kane in a suit, not a regular competitor (and by regular competitor he gets more prime TV time - jobbing or not - than just about anybody on the roster minus the obvious few).
 
Kane has showed many things that we couldn't notice such as that time when what's his name Trips said that he's a murderer but actual it was just a skit that made him look strong and stuff.i really love his stunts but I did tripped him out bro:suckit: :suckit:
 
Kane doesn't need to compete for a midcard belt. At this point he no longer needs the Intercontinental or US Championships. He's at the point where since he can still work a decent match, he should be used for putting over future stars. Kane's a former World Champion and wouldn't benefit much from winning a midcard title. Let the wrestlers who actually need the boost of a midcard title reign go after those belts. What I'd really prefer at this time is for him to run Smackdown for The Authority (while Trips and Stephanie focus more on Raw themselves) and occasionally competing since he can still wrestle. Having Kane be Corporate Kane for now rather than competing for belts he doesn't need is what would be what's best for business.
 

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