What does it mean when they say...
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Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Terrorist groups do not officially represent any one nation, you're right. However, if certain Middle Eastern countries refuse to do anything about these terrorist groups, who have an impact on the security of the United States, or its allies, it has a right to do what needs to be done.
Not sure what you're getting at here...
No shit.
See above.
The Dewbliners
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Perhaps he's the prince of said area, and has access to some special sands and looks like Jake Gyllenhall?
God damn that's what I needed to hear. US military does things to protect its interests.
The funny thing for me is that confronting this question, people are divided in two groups:
1- the group that agree with the fact that US military does all kinda shit to defend US, which to me are bullshitters.
2 - the group that are smart and say they do things because our interests requires us to do so.
My problem is that A) who defines these interests and how?
B) What gives us the right to do things just because our interests requires?
Doesn't this make US army a bigot and a bully? How do you make peace with it?
The funny thing for me is that confronting this question, people are divided in two groups:
1- the group that agree with the fact that US military does all kinda shit to defend US, which to me are bullshitters.
2 - the group that are smart and say they do things because our interests requires us to do so.
My problem is that A) who defines these interests and how?
B) What gives us the right to do things just because our interests requires?
Doesn't this make US army a bigot and a bully? How do you make peace with it?
The Dewbliners
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How does that make the military bigoted? Serving ones own interests is completely natural.
You know Iran invaded Afghanistan about 4 years before America, right? For similar reasons - the Taliban aren't who you want leading a country. I expect you also know that Iran is heavily involved in the politics of Lebanon, and that it quashed a rebellion in Oman against the British. How do the people of Iran make peace with that?
Exactly the same fucking way everyone does, by accepting that war is an inevitability of the human condition.
Exactly the same fucking way everyone does, by accepting that war is an inevitability of the human condition.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Anyone with a brain?
PROBLEM: Terrorist organization hits United States, plans on doing it again, and again, and again.
SOLUTION: United States attempts to crush terrorist organizations, and anyone who (directly or indirectly) supports these groups.
Those steps seem quite simple. I'm not some chest-beating meathead who wants war, but, come on.
You just answered your own question.
1. Stop supporting terrorist organizations.
2. Help defeat terrorist organizations.
Simple stuff, really.
Goliath Uterus
Getting Noticed By Management
Sexy aint she?
There's the flaw in your logic.
We're not attacking countries, we're attacking terrorist organizations. Those terrorist organizations may operate in foreign countries, but in order to damage these networks, American military attacks the terrorist organization in those countries. When those terrorist organizations comprise the government figures in a country, then you can say we attack a country, but not for the concept of attacking a country, but rather to attack the terrorist organization.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say a country didn't attack us, and then claim we're attacking a country when we go after those who did attack us. Make sense?
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
A government cannot support, or be indifferent toward, a terrorist organization, and in the same breath, complain when they're attacked. If you make a choice, deal with the consequences.
The Dewbliners
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Trying to use logic on this kid is useless. He knows not how to handle it....
No...he's from Persia.
I can't work out whether you're trying to be funny and you failed or you're actually just a moron.
"What does it mean when people and media talk about US troops and say they are overseas to defend us?"
Who is us? Iranians? Americans? You speak like an American but your location is Persia (which is Iran for the fucktards on this forum)
"I always hear or read that our fine soldiers are sent to Iraq and Afghanistan to defend us or things like that. What does that mean?"
OK assuming you're classing yourself as American. Well yeah it's exactly how everyone else has said. If you're going to fight someone, it's better to do it on their territory than on yours at the risk to civilians.
Natural maybe, but right, or moral?
Do I really look like someone who has made peace with my country?
Then it's not called making peace, It's called accepting that shit happens. and it's funny something that is counted as a inevitability can end the life on this planet.
You know what, this format really reminds me of WWE storylines. The bad guys attack for no reason, The Good guy gets hurt, The good guy rises to the occasion and finally beat all the motherfuckers. In WWE world the always-gonna-win hero is John Cena, In our World It's always USA. I hope you see where I'm going with this.
I say it again. it's not making peace, it's accepting that we are living in a shitty world which is really different from making peace.
and for Sly, whatever you say makes sense, but it's not necessarily right.
Because to me, it's only a beautiful mask for US to hide its real face. The truth is US doesn't attack Afghanistan or Iraq because they have hurted fine residents of US, that's the kinda bullshit you expect from Cena, US attacks these places because US wants their oil, or because they want to take the strategic points of Middle-East. They just say this things to motivate people to join and support the army. I've been worked by my own government 10 years and now I can tell when people are being worked by their governments, and US is no different.
At The END, ALL I'm saying's this:
Terrorist, Democracy, Religion and terms like this are pure shit in this world. They are tools in the hand of people who are controlling the world. Things like Jihad in middle-east and the way US handles the army is just to get people to agree with them and support them. For all I know, 9/11 and Taliban may very well be created by US itself, and thousands of things like that may not be legitimate at all. I'm not saying one should not support his countries' army or government, but I'm saying pleas know that what they tell you, is not the truth, so don't get used to it and don't be too fond of it. Living in Iran has helped me in my way to realize this. I'm not saying US or any other place's soldier are evil, and I support the individuals and respect them, but to think that your country is the ultimate right is just being stupid. To think that troops are out there to defend our nation is stupid, because it's not the reality.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
if we did it for the Oil then why is gas over $4 per gallon?
And now we finally get down to the REAL reason you created this thread, which is to insult the American government. Seriously, why not just say that in the first place? Why even bother with the nonsense? This is what you REALLY wanted to say, so why did you waste everyone's time?
We're 40 posts in, and now you're finally talking about what you wanted to say the entire time. Fucking waste of time.
Americans aren't being worked by our government, we understand one of the biggest reasons we meddle in the Middle East is because of oil. But it's not an either/or proposition. It's not we either go in to punish those who hurt us or we go in to get oil. We can do both. The 9/11 attacks gave the US the reason we needed to extend our power over oil supply, but you're kidding yourself if you're trying to say we're not there to destroy terrorist networks as well.
I've never seen a picture of you.
Well Sly, I'm sorry because as you said I knew where all of this discussion is gonna be leading to, so I could save anyone's time, but I just wanted to see how things play out and I wanted to see how Americans think about these things, so I apologize if I wasted anyone's time. but the whole discussion helped me achieve what I wanted, so Thank all of you.
as I said, to me Terrorist in large scale is non-existent. In Iran we had a mini-Tailban who was run by someone who looked like Osama a lot and his name was Rigee and he did the same thing Osama did to US. And Iran's military did the same thing to him. These terrorist groups are run by governments because they do what no one else is capable of, and that's making people believe in their government. So with all due respect, I disagree that US military is fighting against terrorism, they're fighting for those in power.
as I said, to me Terrorist in large scale is non-existent. In Iran we had a mini-Tailban who was run by someone who looked like Osama a lot and his name was Rigee and he did the same thing Osama did to US. And Iran's military did the same thing to him. These terrorist groups are run by governments because they do what no one else is capable of, and that's making people believe in their government. So with all due respect, I disagree that US military is fighting against terrorism, they're fighting for those in power.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
that's what he said
lol
Uncle Phatso
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Did he just own himself?
