What do you want more and less of in each brand?

[Rob S.]

This is my first new thread and this is something that could be summarised concisely or expanded on, your choice, i'm gonna keep it simple with a point and short explanation.

RAW:
More...Cena jokes - cut the crap on these historic 'make history' type promos, no-one likes them, and he's a funny guy!
...Real matches for Chavo and Santino - they're good use them!
...One on one matches for Kingston, he needs to be a real chammpion, not a superhero one!
...Mickie and Gail Kim - they're the best WRESTLERS!
Less...Hornswaggle - should i say anymore
...Orton/HHH - It has got boring now. Burying will happen if not careful.
...'WWE Universe' - what is that it just sounds bad!
...Orton and Legacy kicking ass - it's very predictable for breaking up matches.

Smackdown:
More...Mysterio big matches - he creates outstand entertainment and ring performance in my opinon.
...Yang and Kane - I think they're underused, but understandably so
...Morrison as a clear Main-evener. He's outstanding in the ring and i believe the WWE needs pure athletes in that category.
...Crime Time - Yes, JGT carries the team but they perform well and are entertaining.
Less... Khali - he's cumbersome and annoying.
...'Hypocrites', 'Pharisees', 'Sycophants' ect - Jericho needs a wider vocabulary (but it makes fan's laugh at him in disrespect, which i guess is what WWE want)'
ECW:
More...EXTREME RULES - it's in the name. I realise the PG rating doesn't allow this but even if your not gonna do it stop saying, 'that was the most extreme encounter in history' when it clearly is no-where near!
...Helms ring time - i think he's good in the ring and actually has only had about 4 matches since his comeback about 6 months ago, i hope this happens cause he's pretty rubbish as an interviewer and doesn't suit suits!
....ZacK Rider - Big fan, great talent
...Matt Stiker - he's a gd commentator, sat by JR on smackdown would be fun, why Grisham got promoted to that role instead is beyond me!
Less...Kozlov - am i the only one who thinks he is incredibly rubbish in the ring and should go back to FCW, yes it's a unique character but come on!

Anyway, let me know your 'more' and less' and feel free t comment on mine!

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

...Matt Stiker - he's a gd commentator, sat by JR on smackdown would be fun, why Grisham got promoted to that role instead is beyond me!

In my opinion, the reason Todd Grisham got promoted to Smackdown is simply because the company wants Jim Ross grooming him to be a Prime Play-by-Play commentator. I'm not sure if they are simply preparing for Ross' retirement or not, but that is the only logical explanation for why this is taking place. It is interesting to see Ross moved into the Color Commentator position, though.

 

[ShockTheMonkey223]

I'm just gonna group all 3 together.

More:
Actual programs for Santino, not just comedy bits with the guest host. He has the potential to be a huge star for the company.

Mr. McMahon. He's a proven ratings draw and always makes things interesting.

Stables. Everybody likes to root for a "team". Having different factions helps ratings and merchandise sales.



Less:
Divas. They suck. Nobody cares.

Legacy. Orton brings the ratings down everytime he's the focus of the show. Give it up already.

Video packages and recaps. We know what happened 20 minutes ago. It wasn't that great. Stop shoving it down our throats.

Releases.

 

[KKarvox]

RAW
New fueds, i don't mind Orton, HHH and Cena, but the fueds are getting old.
No Chavo jobbing to a midget
Miz not buried
MVP and Swagger in the main event scene

ECW
Little bit of Extreme rules would be nice, once in a while maybe. I haven't seen someone put through a table in forever.
Paul Burchill pushed
Regal Pushed

Smackdown
Kane not running from a fight
Khali as a heel
Otherwise, smackdown's pretty solid, good matches, talen, and GM

 

[2012isbs]

Raw
more
Chris Masters: I love his in-ring work and he's better than Batista.
HHH losses: seriously trips lose a match or two cleanly on raw.
Tag teams: and not for 3 months than they break up a serious tag team.
John Cena Rapping: It added depth to his character which is needed now mare than ever.
less
Randy Orton and HHH: seriously it's getting really boring if it weren't for the possible DX return i would change the channle during their segments.
Jobbers: some people have talent but are being crushed to death by trips or Vince.
The Swoggles: yes both Markswoggle and hornswoggle need less air time although the piven thing was funny last nigh tand so was the commentary.
ECW
more
new superstars: it freshens things up
Extreme rules matches: atleast one a month one regular tv
Tomy Dreamer wins: He is the last original there have him win or atleast wrestle more often
Less
Christian: he needs to go to SD asap and feud with jericho and big show with edge.

SD
more
CM Punk with the title: He should have never lost it to Jeff in the first place.
Rey: he is one the biggest draws SD has
J-EEZY: only if he does something
Less
Khali: lumbering oaf of a wrestler
Heels: turn some one face

 

[Dexter]

-MICHELLE McCOOL (she doesnt deserve any title - and undertaker could do better)

Ok, hold on. Did you just suggest that Undertaker should have the Women's Title on Smackdown? Not that I'm disagreeing, I think that'd be hilarious, I just wanted to clarify.

 

[ccotreau1]

the way i look at it, im sick of the orton/hhh feud, i personally wanna see more cena/hhh one on one matches. also i wanna see the legacy as a 3-some and not just a tag team being led by orton from raw, and i dont see smackdown and ecw much (with taker out i havent been as entertained by it)

 

[smalltownfan]

I'm going to tackle this issue from an overall perspective. WWE needs to dump the PG rating and regain its edge like the 2nd coming of an Attitude Era. Sure, more stables would be nice, but WWE doesn't have the depth to do that. Also, giving the younger guys a shot every once in a while at a main event wouldn't hurt, either. Cena, Orton, and HHH are entertaining and great, but it's getting stale and they need to change it up. Finally, on ECW, the E stands for Extreme. Let's see a lot more of it.

 

[Rob S.]

I'm going to tackle this issue from an overall perspective. WWE needs to dump the PG rating and regain its edge like the 2nd coming of an Attitude Era. Sure, more stables would be nice, but WWE doesn't have the depth to do that. Also, giving the younger guys a shot every once in a while at a main event wouldn't hurt, either. Cena, Orton, and HHH are entertaining and great, but it's getting stale and they need to change it up. Finally, on ECW, the E stands for Extreme. Let's see a lot more of it.

I completely agree with you here unfortunately WWE has earned so much more money with the PG rating with Kiddie merchandise and all that jazz that Vinca will never go back to the old ways cause he'll loose so much intrest from the people who are buying his products and stuff. Unfortunatly it just leaves real WWE 'fans' like us feeling annoyed about all the rubbish thats on there at the moment, but it's working out for the company, and thats the bottom line in Vince's perspective i guess.

 

[totallbc]

RAW
MORE:
1. swagger and mvp pushed to ME status
2. a good brother feud
3. Vince as a heel
LESS:
1. HHH, Cena, Orton in constant contention with each other for the title
2. good wrestlers playing stupid roles or playing jobbers (santino, chavo)
3. special guest hosts cheaply plugging their crap every 5 min (did anybody else see cena plugging the hell out of the goods)

SMACKDOWN
MORE:
1. john morrison, plain and simple
2. hardy hold a world title for more than 30 days
3. undertaker
LESS:
1. cm punk stealing victories... the man has talent, utilize it
2. khali in any form
3. divas matches

ECW
MORE:
1. younger talent... i always love seeing new faces come up the ranks
2. extreme rules matches
3. air time...give ecw another 10 or so wrestlers to add to the brand and make it 2 hours
LESS:
1. kozlov and zeke...big and boring
2. christian being underused
3. title reigns out of pity...sorry dreamer...your career was amazing

 

[Dexter]

I completely agree with you here unfortunately WWE has earned so much more money with the PG rating with Kiddie merchandise and all that jazz that Vinca will never go back to the old ways cause he'll loose so much intrest from the people who are buying his products and stuff. Unfortunatly it just leaves real WWE 'fans' like us feeling annoyed about all the rubbish thats on there at the moment, but it's working out for the company, and thats the bottom line in Vince's perspective i guess.

Out of curiosity, do we know for an established, proven fact that they're earning more money in the PG era, or are we just speculating that? Speculation is perfectly fine in the absence of fact so I'm not criticizing it, I'm just trying to establish which is it.

 

[Twanfusco]

RAW - more : push the boundaries of the pg rating to the limit a little more, they did it a few times with orton/hhh but messed up at wmania. Give us the odd mid-carder vs wwe champ match and make us believe he might win it. Quicken the pace of the show up a bit, it used to be face paced action from segment to promo to matches it felt 100mph, now it drags, backstage segments are too long and matches too short, and everything in between like plugs and recaps are pointless. Seperate the show into storylines don't just base the whole thing around the main event I.E orton/hhh, during other matches don't refer to other storylines in commentary, sell us the match we're watching please. A goldust storyline, anyone remember GTV? Awesome.

Less - RECAPS wtf!!? Are we so thick we have to be reminded of what happened at the start of the show every 10 minutes till the main event? Michael cole. I realise its a common complaint and maybe it is vinces fault but he really is annoying, tie him in with the recaps and I wanna turn it off, his vintage thing has become a running joke to kind of take a jab at the iwc but that's stupid because you shouldn't do anything to purposely annoy the viewer. Less hornswoggle, never found him amusing, never will. Less having the face get the upper hand at the end of the show, the odds are often stacked against the main event heels(orton), it should be the other way around.

Smackdown: I don't watch it nearly enough to have a decent opinion, I think its quite good, again less recaps though.

Ecw: its short at 1hr but has good matches for the most part, anyone could beat anyone on any given night it seems and storylines are progressed quite well, they do good for only having 1 hour. Perhaps another title would be good for the show though, cruiserweight maybe or something along the same lines as tna's x division, they have enough good athletes and up and comers. Hardcore title obviously would be ideal but the "hardcore" matches would suck I think.

Overall, just give us internet fans and older fans a little more respect and don't treat us all like children, you can please everyone, look at the simpsons?! Lol

 

[Rob S.]

Out of curiosity, do we know for an established, proven fact that they're earning more money in the PG era, or are we just speculating that? Speculation is perfectly fine in the absence of fact so I'm not criticizing it, I'm just trying to establish which is it.

Speculation really, but u look back at how things have moved on with 'online shop' ect, they must be, plus WWE would do things which are earning themselves the most, which at the moment seems to be PG rating, but sorry for the confusion.

 

[RatedRCyCo]

RAW
More
MVp, Swagger
Wrestling

Less
HHH, Cena, Orton, Legacy
Comedy, talking
Wasting talent (Santino, Chavo)

Smackdown
Nothing much wrong with smackdown, only problem for me is too much diva tag team matches not enough 1 on 1. Let the real fighters fight (Melina & Natalya) just let Maria get Ziggled and Eve get Crymed and Layla should just get released she and that one dance that dont even look good, i think the referee should always carry a spoon to the ring when she dances.

ECW
More
Talent, Time
I think it'll be tough for up & coming talent to try to shine when only given 2 & 3 minute matches with hardly any promo time etc.
A Christian stable (his work with AJ & Tomko was one of the reasons I watched TNA)
Christian cud be heel, it'll be better for building new talent as the fans would want someone to beat Christian. Christian as face now if he feuded with the new guys and won I don't think I'd be remembering the new guys

 

[JoeBudden=BestRapperAlive]

Yeah but Ortons showing he belives in them and when they fall, to get up. otherwise if they were doing all that then it would be a hell of a long time b4 those two are grown big and WWE despratlly is trying to make maineventers. Plus I think they should have added Jack Swagger. Otherwise what was that whole promo with him and Orton about? Either way its good for Raw beacuse now ppl will see legacy vs. DX which will help to temporarlly give RAW a boost. It sucks knowing that their not using all that they have at their dispossal. Were all gonna just see HHH, Orton, and Cena mixed either which way or all together and the ppl need something fresh. Like how about:

Mark Henry vs. Orton-Henry's pop. is growing fast

HHH vs. DiBiase- I think that would work some fresh young blood and two explosive talents.

M.V.P vs. Cody Rhodes- I don't know why their not using mvp anymore???

John Cena vs. Jack Swagger vs. The Miz- two young very good talents and Cena going against eachother. Miz= very entertaining cutting promos, we all know what Cena can do, and even though Swagger has a lisp he's pertty damn talented in the ring and fun to watch..

Big Show vs. Umaga- two unbeatable big forces duking it out against eachother. With Umaga as the good guy. too bad he's gone however.

Plus they should think about swapping guys on shows every now and then like:
Cm Punk
Jeff Hardy
John Morrison
Christan Cage
Edge
Shelton Benjamin(have him cut more promos)
dolph ziggler
etc..

WWE has sooo much under used talent that its not even funny!

Put Evan Bourne back too ECW to get ECW championship and work on his mic skills and promos. Then work his way through SD THEN come to raw. I just think they pushed it too fast with bringing him up. Specially when they don't even use any of their new talent. Cutting promos and bringing back prestige too other titles instead of just the world titles. cut more rivals and promos for them. more foucs on all rivalries instead of just a few. Kepp the unifide tag titles as one. It's a good idea. Theres no sense in having two. maybe even create another few titles like the raw and smackdown championships. Keep ppl on all shows so it's not that hard too bring up top notch guys when their ready and or ppl get hurt or things get boring cough!Orton! coughHHH!. That way they don't have everyone competeing for all one thing taking all the focus off the younginz.



Uggh it eats me ALL the time when I remember that they Let goes of Mr. Kennedy and Umaga

 

[beefthelegend]

Raw-

More actual Wrestling. Two weeks ago Raw had..i think Nine matches. And it was fairly entertaining.
More Midcard development. You've got Kofi Kingston-the best midcarder WWE has IMO nearly jobbing to Big Show because you've got no other way out? How about Swagger/Kofi or Bourne/Kofi.
More Stables. If you're going to have Legacy, you should have an equal but opposite face stable. (read: NOT DX.)
More 1 on 1 womens matches. Whomever said "Less Divas-nobody cares", i whole heartedly disagree. I love good looking women putting on good matches. But get rid of the fluff. (Note: Gail Kim vs. Mickie James FTW)
Less Backstage vignettes/promos. Let's be honest- The Rock and Stone Cold are gone. You can't expect to shove superstar mic time down our throats and we'll go nuts for it as if they were still around.
Less awful divas. Maryse. Kelly. Jillian. To name a few. They can't put on good matches-let them be managers...or something. Stop wasting what little time is given to the divas on the talentless eye candy.
Less stupid rotating GMs. Who cares about an actor who has watched WWE maybe 5 times his whole life? Bring back Bisch or Heyman. Anyone really, who has a knowledge of wrestling.

ECW
More air time. Someone else beat me to the punch here, but i think ECW needs two hours. I watched ECW for the first time since Punk left tonight, and was thrilled all around. It was by FAR more entertaining than Raw.
More new talent. Loving all the new/repackaged talent.
More veterans willing to put over said talent. A perfect role for Finlay IMO.
More gimmick matches. Not just Extreme rules, but overall, bring gimmick matches here, give people a reason to watch ECW.
Less Tommy Dreamer in the title hunt. I was a mark for the original ECW. Even then i thought Tommy was so-so. But now, with all of this great new talent, why have him competing for the title? Why not make him GM?

Guess that's my only complaint.

Smackdown

More 1 on 1 matches. I love Smackdown. It is the best wrestling on TV. I understand the need to keep everything fresh...but at the same time, i am sick of seeing Rey and ____ vs. Ziggler and Punk, or Jeff and _____ vs. Punk and ______. JUst a personal gripe i suppose.
More women wrestling. You have Melina. You have Michelle McCool. You have Natalya. Use them!
Less Finlay and Khali. Glad Khali is over in India. Feel free to use him there. Don't put his garbage in the middle of the awesome show. Finlay is over the hill...needs to find his way back to ECW and help put over talent.

I guess Smackdown is pretty great as is.

Here's a few moves i think would really help WWE TV:

Gail to Smackdown. I think she is awash in a sea of Eye candy on Raw, and her talent will go unappriciated.
Finlay to ECW. No one takes him seriosuly as a contender for any title. Stop wasting my time with him.
Ortiz to ECW. Came to SD too soon.
Batista and Triple H to retirement. Face it, both are stale. Hell, have Orton punt them both out, and bring the Game back as a GM. That would be great.
Jeff Hardy to the crack dealer. Take a puff, get it over with, and get your sloppy ass off my tv screen.

 

[friarferguson]

Raw:
More
Time given to mid-card matches: The Colon Bros. and Swagger/Bourne were given a very short amount of times in their matches this Monda
Main Eventers putting over Younger Guys: Imagine what Cena could've done for The Miz's career if he'd allowed im to look competitive.
Competent Commentating: Lawler needs to be replaced he is dire

Less
Long Entrances: Orton, Cena and Triple H all take too long to get to the ring, it takes time away from matches earlier on in the show
Mark Henry: Kill this push now
Comedy: Dr. Ken, Santina, Hornswoggle/Chavo in the last month or so have sucked hard

Smackdown

More

Long Matches: Sometimes Smackdown has pay-per-view style matches, RAW doesn't achieve this look at Morrison/Edge, Morrison/Hardy and Jericho/Mysterio for examples
Pushing New Talent: The Hart Dynasty, Dolph Ziggler and John Morrison have all been given a shot since coming over to Smackdown
In-Ring Storytelling: Unlike RAW, Smackdown contains less promos instead letting the matches tell the stories which I'm sure is the point.

Less
Kane/Great Khali nonsense: I don't understand where this one is going
JR: Like The King, JR's announcing style has grown rusty
Pretty Ricky: They seemed to have killed this one now but Pretty Ricky was an awful gimmick I'm not sure why R-Truth agreed to it in the first place.

ECW

More
New Superstar Initative: Look at the talent that have gone on from ECW to wow the two main brands, I'm not sure if Sheamus, Yoshi Tatsu or Tyler Reks will be able to achieve this at the moment but given time then may get as big as Evan Bourne, Kofi Kingston or Miz/Morrison
Older Superstars putting the younger guys over: Goldust and William Regal have been gracious in going over to some of the younger talent like Zack Ryder, Sheamus and Yoshi Tatsu
Matt Striker's descpritions of Wrestlers: I love Striker's commentary style he is so colourful with the language he uses and it adds an extra element to the match that is missing from the other two brands.

Less
Squash Matches:I know this is the C Show but I'm tired of seeing the bigger guys defeating Local Competitors every week.
Recaps over the other shows: ECW is not a highlights show save the Recaps for Superstars
Abraham Washington Show: This will never get over as a gimmick let Washington either manage one of the less charasmatic stars or become G.M.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I'm going to do the E in general, but i agree with everyone who said that Raw needs more wrestling. I caught last weeks Raw repeat, and while Shaq did an awesome job last week, i don't feel we needed 4 or 5 backstage segments with the guy. It still says 'wresting' on the marquee Vince, that's why people come tot he shows. Not for midgets beating up blindfolded guys etc.

Otherwise i think the E is doing quite well for the moment, but i'm not going to be satisfied until HBK and Taker return, and WWE continue to work the way they're working now. I predict however, that the legends will come back, and 2 or 3 people on Raw/SD will go back to doing nothing for quite a while.

ECW could do with some more Extreme Rules matches. Not every week, but more often than once every 3 months. In fact, diversity of the matches is a big thing that E could work on. It's only ever singles and tag matches these days, with the occassional fatal 4 way thrown in, where are the gauntlet matches, table matches, ladder matches etc that we used to get on free TV?

The announce teams are also pretty awful these days. King/Cole are the worst by far, with Matthews being held back by Stryker, and Grisham doing ok, but JRs seemingly total lack of enthusiasm these days brings the whole SD side down as well.

And finally, i'd say lose this guest host shit as well. A money fued has always been superstar vs the boss, and you can never have that kind of fued if the boss changes every week.

 

[Milkyway!]

More:
Actual programs for Santino, not just comedy bits with the guest host. He has the potential to be a huge star for the company.

I'm as big a Santino fan as anyone. But, when Santino was the center of attention for a title, it became a big joke. Taking almost a year and a half to get any prestige back in it.

Mr. McMahon. He's a proven ratings draw and always makes things interesting.

McMahon has proven hes a ratings draw. But theres nothing for him to do, that hes not allready done at the moment. So, off T.V is where he needs to be, at the time being.

Stables. Everybody likes to root for a "team". Having different factions helps ratings and merchandise sales.

Stables are awesome, to an extent. There just isn't enough starts with alike characters going around, for their to be a stable right now. Legacy, The Harts, and thats about it. They can't just throw 4 men in a stable, with nothing alike. It wouldn't have any meaning, whatsoever.

Divas. They suck. Nobody cares.

The Divas have a large fan base, actually. I care, my friends Jasmine and Dee care. Theres entire forums devoted to the divas, just as good as this one you're on for the men. So, yes. People care.

Legacy. Orton brings the ratings down everytime he's the focus of the show. Give it up already.

If Orton brought down the ratings everytime he was on television, he wouldn't be on it. Its quite obvious the ratings are staying the same, while gradually growing from the guest host. People stopped tuning in, so they didn't know things like Cena vs Orton was going on. The guest host brings in new faces, then, guys like Orton keeps them.

Video packages and recaps. We know what happened 20 minutes ago. It wasn't that great. Stop shoving it down our throats.

I've never seen a Video package, or recap on 20 minutes ago. I have however seen one on RAW, promoting the RAW program. As the WWE's flagship show, its quite obvious its going to get promoted any time the WWE can.

Releases.

Each and every release has some sort of relevance, so I can't really see what you're trying to say here. Kennedy almost hurt the focal point of each and every show in Randy Orton, after returning from 2 injuries. Umaga was boring. Everyone else were jobbers, or referees.

 

[Baller]

Raw
More
Matches then promos- the promos have been terrible and killing the show
Guys in the main event - tired of seeing the same 3 guys over and over again
Less
Divas 6 Tag - they are pretty much every week whats wrong with a singles match
Guest Hosts - they are getting stale rather quickly and there just plain killing the show

Smackdown
More
I wouldnt add anything this show is great
Less
Khali/Kane - Kane needs to be higher up then Khali, and get him off tv he is horrible

ECW
More
Extreme Rules - The match last night was phenomenal 1 0r 2 times amonth is all i ask
Less
Koslov/Ezekiel - Where are they going with this already. Its getting dumb rather quickly