Vince McMahon really wants to be a part of the NFL

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According to NESN.com, WWE is attempting to form a relationship with the NFL which would funnel NFL players into the WWE developmental system once their careers in football are over. Jim Ross is scheduled to meet with the NFL Players Association, and the following is an excerpt from the article:

“Everybody doesn’t make the 53-man roster,” Ross told Jim Miller and Alex Marvez on SiriusXM NFL Radio. “Some guys are going to be looking for work, and we’ve got some job openings. Maybe we can put the synergies of those two entities together and create something wonderful some day.” Plenty of former football players have found careers in wrestling in the past. Some of them include Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, Ernie Ladd, Bronco Nagurski and Bill Goldberg."

While I'm somewhat of a casual wrestling fan and a diehard Eagles/NFL fan, I really don't know why the NFL would care to venture into this situation with the WWE. If players were going to call it quits, or seek a chance to wrestle if they don't make the 53-man roster, they could seek out their own destiny. They don't need this partnership to do so. Like JR said, many football players became stars, but WITHOUT a partnership between the two entities.

I think this is nothing more than Vince desperately trying to get the WWE more attention by latching onto the NFL, which is a juggernaut next to all wrestling companies combined.
 
While I'm somewhat of a casual wrestling fan and a diehard Eagles/NFL fan, I really don't know why the NFL would care to venture into this situation with the WWE. If players were going to call it quits, or seek a chance to wrestle if they don't make the 53-man roster, they could seek out their own destiny. They don't need this partnership to do so. Like JR said, many football players became stars, but WITHOUT a partnership between the two entities.

I think this is nothing more than Vince desperately trying to get the WWE more attention by latching onto the NFL, which is a juggernaut next to all wrestling companies combined.

Money talks as we all know. What would the NFL get out of it? Money. That's the only way I see them agreeing to something like this. Otherwise, as you pointed out, there's no reason for the NFL to get involved in this. Furthermore, with the concussion scare in the NFL right now, I don't know if they'd want to get involved with something where a guy who might have suffered concussions in the NFL is no going to injure himself further in WWE, only to come back and sue the NFL because they "referred him to WWE" or set it up or whatever.

With all of that said, if the NFL can get advertising money out of it from WWE, or get a cut of the money for guys that are successful in WWE who came from the NFL, then I think they could entertain the idea.

It does seem like WWE has more to gain from this than the NFL does but let's see what happens.
 
the only way he is going to piggy back steam from other companies is if his wrestlers play in some football games of if he has crosscompany/intersport bouts with the UFC or some kick boxing orginizations.
 
I think a lot of people here are missing what exactly is happening here.

WWE is not trying to get into the NFL business, they're searching for talent. 30 years ago there were local promoters who trained and broke in football players from their territory who didn't make it in the NFL. Jim Ross likely remembers all the guys who came through Mid South in the 70's and 80's, so he pitched this idea to Vince as a essentially creating a potential pipeline for new talent.

For the NFL, they see all the guys who go into training camp every year only to be cut. So if WWE comes to them and says "hey, what if we put together a package that your teams can hand out to the guys during their exit interviews, just letting them know that if their interested in trying their hand at wrestling, then WWE is interested in looking at them." The NFL loses absolutely nothing and gains a potential PR device should the media ever decide to start asking what the NFL does to assist drafted and undrafted players who make it to camp, but don't make it in the NFL.

Jim Ross has already been reaching out to college programs and this is simply an extension of that. It's basically a no-lose situation for both sides. WWE gets a potential pipeline and the NFL can say that they do provide cut players with tools for the next chapter of their careers, as I would imagine WWE is just one of several employers/recruiters who are looking to be part of the exit process.

I think a lot of people are overreacting and seeing stuff that just isn't there.
 
So instead of focusing more on the Independent circuit, brimming with guys who have been wrestling for years, been fans even longer and have a true passion for the business, McMahon will cough up resources to train football players who are likely not as passionate or knowledgeable of the business as the actual wrestlers.

Not to mention that 90% of them will be meat heads and powerhouses, which as we all know, are the most entertaining wrestlers out there.

Stupid decision by a stupid company.
 
While I'm somewhat of a casual wrestling fan and a diehard Eagles/NFL fan, I really don't know why the NFL would care to venture into this situation with the WWE. If players were going to call it quits, or seek a chance to wrestle if they don't make the 53-man roster, they could seek out their own destiny. They don't need this partnership to do so. Like JR said, many football players became stars, but WITHOUT a partnership between the two entities.

I think this is nothing more than Vince desperately trying to get the WWE more attention by latching onto the NFL, which is a juggernaut next to all wrestling companies combined.

This isn't the NFL WWE's talking to, it's the NFL player's union. And if you can't imagine why an organisation that represents the players' best interests wouldn't be interested in a deal that would help players that aren't on an active roster get a healthy and regular paycheque and use a similar skillset to the one they spent all their highschool and college years honing you're a moron.

WWE is expending its developmental roster to I believe around 100 trainees/wrestlers. NFL hasbeens and neverweres make good potential potential wrestlers because they're 1) athletic 2) used to physical sports and 3) have a good work ethic. Picking up the occasional ex-footballer who decided to go into wrestling rather than something else isn't a viable strategy when WWE's planning to be recruiting harder than it ever has been.
 
So instead of focusing more on the Independent circuit, brimming with guys who have been wrestling for years, been fans even longer and have a true passion for the business, McMahon will cough up resources to train football players who are likely not as passionate or knowledgeable of the business as the actual wrestlers.

You realise that WWE's in the process of signing 3 indie stars at this moment, right? WWE won't be recruiting everyone from NFL, just like they won't from the indies.

Not to mention that 90% of them will be meat heads and powerhouses, which as we all know, are the most entertaining wrestlers out there.

Hogan, Cena, Rock, Sammartino, Goldberg, Lesnar... Powerhouses (or ex-football players) who drew big for WWE. Well, except Lesnar, the biggest UFC draw in its history. You're a moron.

Oh and for funsies, this is the current list of WWE wrestlers who are ex football players, not including the guys I mentioned above:
  • Alex Riley
  • Big E Langston
  • Bo Rotundo
  • Big Show
  • Brodus Clay
  • Camacho
  • Darren Young
  • Jack Swagger
  • Jimmy Uso
  • Jey Uso
  • Kane
  • Mark Henry
  • Roman Reigns
  • Ryback
  • Ted DiBiase
  • Tensai
  • Titus O'Neil
 
Surely this would be dependent on the athlete's age? Just because a given guy doesn't scrape into the 53 man squad; surely they'd want to operate at lower league level on the hopes of a call up or to try again the following year? Or possibly move to their collegiate degree sector, or into the training / coaching fields?

Given that there has hardly been a plethora of ex-ball player names in wrestling, that established wrestlers rarely get called up to the big leagues, that there are as many power guy failures as successes now and that there are less paying spots because of WWe's dominance and you'd surely have to look at this being a real long shot opportunity.
 
Surely this would be dependent on the athlete's age?

You'd be surprised. Titus O'Neil signed with WWE age 32.

Just because a given guy doesn't scrape into the 53 man squad; surely they'd want to operate at lower league level on the hopes of a call up or to try again the following year? Or possibly move to their collegiate degree sector, or into the training / coaching fields?

And most will do that, unless WWE would pay better than the lower level football leagues, which I wouldn't be shocked to hear. However, there's an overlap of people who play American football and like professional wrestling. If someone doesn't want to work in an office or move to Canada for the chance to make it in the CFL, then WWE is a solid option.

Given that there has hardly been a plethora of ex-ball player names in wrestling,

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that established wrestlers rarely get called up to the big leagues,

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that there are as many power guy failures as successes now

Same goes for every type of wrestler.

and that there are less paying spots because of WWe's dominance and you'd surely have to look at this being a real long shot opportunity.

WWE are expanding their developmental roster. There are more paying spots for ex-football players without a wrestling background than ever. That's why they're talking to the players' association.
 
You'd be surprised. Titus O'Neil signed with WWE age 32.

I'm actually referring to why would young guys want to do this.

And most will do that, unless WWE would pay better than the lower level football leagues, which I wouldn't be shocked to hear. However, there's an overlap of people who play American football and like professional wrestling. If someone doesn't want to work in an office or move to Canada for the chance to make it in the CFL, then WWE is a solid option.

It's a bigger gamble though. If you are on the early season roster - you have footballing ability. Being athletic will not mean you'll be a great wrestler.


Laugh all you want, list me the guys who meet the description of the squad cuts rather than those who have played it to degrees at high school or college. Then compare that to the number of people who would meet this criteria and compare it to the number of wrestlers there's been over the years.


Punk, Bryan, Ambrose, Rollins... now I'm struggling... list me all the other established indie guys...

Same goes for every type of wrestler.

Proving the point of how big a gamble it is for ANYBODY to become a WWe wrestler.

WWE are expanding their developmental roster. There are more paying spots for ex-football players without a wrestling background than ever. That's why they're talking to the players' association.

Maybe, but it's still a limited number of spots for a limited chance of success.
 
I'm actually referring to why would young guys want to do this.

Because 1) more people watch WWE than CFL 2) A WWE might be worth more money than a CFL/AFL contract. 3) Would you rather live in Orlando or Ontario?

It's a bigger gamble though. If you are on the early season roster - you have footballing ability. Being athletic will not mean you'll be a great wrestler.

But clearly not enough footballing ability not to get cut, that's the kicker.

Laugh all you want, list me the guys who meet the description of the squad cuts rather than those who have played it to degrees at high school or college. Then compare that to the number of people who would meet this criteria and compare it to the number of wrestlers there's been over the years.

WWE hasn't expended any effort into recruiting guys who didn't make the cut. The ex-football players in WWE either came to a tryout or were experienced wrestlers. With the exception of Swagger.

Punk, Bryan, Ambrose, Rollins... now I'm struggling... list me all the other established indie guys...

Off the top of my head: Barrett, Sheamus, Gabriel, McIntyre, Primo, Epico, ADR, Sin Cara, Hunico, Tatsu, Ricardo, Sandow. Cena spent a few years in UWF too. Or does wrestling outside America not count?

Proving the point of how big a gamble it is for ANYBODY to become a WWe wrestler.

There are 38 NCAA Division 1 football players for every NFL player. How is making it as a footballer any less of a gamble than being in WWE.

Maybe, but it's still a limited number of spots for a limited chance of success.

Still better chances than just being an NFL reject.
 
Shawn Michaels played football all thru high school and went into wrestling right after school (well, began training). He could have played college football or baseball and was an all-around great athlete.
 
I get that a lot of fans love to here the stories of Shawn Michaels, HHH, CM Punk, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, etc of guys who dreamed of being wrestlers since childhood and slaved away, until finally making the big time.

But here's a partial, off the top of my head list of guys who did not dream of becoming wrestlers as kids - most weren't even really fans - and only turned to it as adults when their other dreams failed to come to fruition:

Steve Austin
Rock
Hulk Hogan
Goldberg
Ric Flair
Dusty Rhodes
Ricky Steamboat
Sting
Ultimate Warrior
Randy Savage
Scott Hall
Kevin Nash
Brock Lesnar
Rick Rude
Curt Hennig
Steiner Brothers
Road Warriors
Stan Hansen
Nick Bockwinkel
Steve Williams
Paul Orndorff
Ken Patera
Vader
Nikita Koloff
Blackjack Mulligan
Wahoo McDaniel
Tito Santana
Tully Blanchard
Barry Windham
Lex Luger
Ted DiBiase
Mike Rotunda
Bill Watts
Ernie Ladd

Also note just how many were failed football players...it's almost 90% of the list...
 
It's important for you to realise that the NFL system goes through hundreds of prospects every year. All of whom have at least the ability to have passed recruitment, college testing and the bear pit that is the NFL camps. For everyone who makes it to the NFL via the draft or gets picked up from a camp there are many who just don't make the cut - as Brock Lesnar himself didn't when he tried for it (blame it on injury if you want but he just wasn't up to it)

Those who don't make it are the ones the WWE is aiming for and by going through the Union - whose job it is to make sure players who make it and don't are "looked after" they are clearly looking to get the inside track on talents who aren't NFL standard but have characteristics that WWE could develop.

I am sure WWE will only pick up one or two if that a year based on their current developmental recruitment strategy but dismissing how good ex-footballers can be in the ring as a "Vinny Mac" stunt is dead wrong. Look at these names

The Rock
Ron Simmons
Ernie Ladd
Wahoo McDaniel
Lex Luger
Brian Pillman
Goldberg
Vader
Droz
Steve McMichael

All of those guys either played college ball at the top level or in the NFL, of those perhaps Droz and Mongo are the only two who are not either already HOF or locks for it down the line as wrestlers and are among the biggest ever names in the business. Not one of them is a "failed footballer", the only guy not to make the NFL on this list is The Rock, but he was part of the biggest college team of his era and Luger who was an injury reserve for the 82 season with the Packers.

Compare some of their styles and you'll see the value - take Vader, who played in a Superbowl who then became one of the most agile, beastly and impressive big men in the business' history and gained worldwide recognition feuding with...

Ron Simmons - a man who at the College level is as close to a legend as you could get, but started off a tag team wrestler but an impressive brawler. While he wasn't traditionally charismatic, he had the intangible and over time became a history making legend in wrestling.

Pillman was proof that just footballers could be more than brawlers or big men. In the early 90's Brian Pillman was one of the first Americans to use the high-flying style that Owen, Muta and Tiger Mask had pioneered but that was only part of the story, he became one of the most memorable speakers of all time and was the real father of the Attitude era with his "booker man" rant.

This is before you get to The Rock or Goldberg, who is perhaps the most famous ex-NFL star but look at what WWE already has and you'll see this isn't a new thing.

In NXT right now you have the man known as Jake Carter - the son of Vader, who looked like an NFL career at the time of injury that sent him in a different direction and perhaps the most interesting possibility is someone who is currently in the big-time with the NFL.

James Laurinitis of the St. Louis Rams is the son of Road Warrior Animal and nephew of John "Mr. Excitment". At the moment his career is going well enough in the NFL but you never know. He is a prime candidate for a future "Footballer at Mania" moment or even a post NFL career should something go wrong or change. WWE would kill to get him involved...

So in short, no I don't think Vince wants to be part of the NFL, in fact I think the driving force behind this will be Trips. But I do think that history and the names above has proven that sometimes Football's loss is Wrestling's gain...and having a "feeder system" for footballers is very smart indeed as most of those guys got into the business through pure chance, they met a wrestler or had a contact who "hooked them up", that wouldn't happen in today's WWE or TNA so this can only help replace that.
 
So instead of focusing more on the Independent circuit, brimming with guys who have been wrestling for years, been fans even longer and have a true passion for the business, McMahon will cough up resources to train football players who are likely not as passionate or knowledgeable of the business as the actual wrestlers.

Not to mention that 90% of them will be meat heads and powerhouses, which as we all know, are the most entertaining wrestlers out there.

Stupid decision by a stupid company.

Typical troll bullshit. As usual, you're more interested in slamming WWE over anything rather than even remotely attempt to tell things like they are.

As of right now, WWE has signed wrestlers that are very well known on the indy scene in NXT such as Kassius Ohno, AKA Chris Hero, Adrian Neville, AKA Pac, and Sami Zayn, AKA El Generico. These three examples I cited are getting lots of praise for their current work down in NXT. As of right now, if various reports are accurate, it looks as though Sami Callihan is about to be signed as he's completed the various medical screenings WWE puts them all through. Oh and a couple of indy guys going by the names of CM Punk & Daniel Bryan, I don't know if you've ever heard of them, have had a fair amount of success on the main roster. There's also a few more by the names of Seth Rollins & Dean Ambrose, better known on the indy circuit as Tyler Black & Jon Moxley, that also seem to be doing decently on the main roster.

Also, as another poster pointed out, WWE has a lot of former football players or hopefuls signed to the roster. People are trying to make it sound as though WWE is planning to pack its roster players whose careers in football are over or men hose careers just never took off. There's no promise that anyone WWE sees or meets will be signed and if they do manage to find someone here and there with the ability & passion, so what if he's an ex football player? Talent is talent whether it's someone whose first love was wrestling or football or boxing or whatever. If they know how to or can be taught to wrestle, develop personas that fans will get behind and draw some money; then where's the downside?

I know that it's not the same strategies TNA employs. You know, like the strategy of signing wrestlers who have already been made into stars by much bigger companies that are, at least when it comes to most of them, far past their primes to be the central figures of the company. Or the strategy of signing wrestlers who are also cast offs of much bigger companies, yet failing to even try making them into stars, either because they don't want to or simply don't know how to make stars of their own.
 
Because 1) more people watch WWE than CFL 2) A WWE might be worth more money than a CFL/AFL contract. 3) Would you rather live in Orlando or Ontario?

Personally, I'd rather live in Orlando but if I'd spent possibly my whole life building towards a certain career and injury hasn't taken that dream away from me, I'd be more inclined to try the CFL/ AFL which can lead my way to my ultimate goal than completely change tact and try for another career path which has far less open slots than the NFL.

But clearly not enough footballing ability not to get cut, that's the kicker.

And yet there are loads of guys who have gotten back after getting cut, the dream is always alive. Whereas, jumping to another profession with a very low level of chance of success... especially if you don't have a name to begin with.

WWE hasn't expended any effort into recruiting guys who didn't make the cut. The ex-football players in WWE either came to a tryout or were experienced wrestlers. With the exception of Swagger.

Agreed and if they can find a couple diamonds, this will be a very good exercise. I'm just wondering how much of a return they would get from this against the cost because, as I've said, I can't imagine many young guys looking to try a whole new avenue after committing their lives to being NFL stars.

Off the top of my head: Barrett, Sheamus, Gabriel, McIntyre, Primo, Epico, ADR, Sin Cara, Hunico, Tatsu, Ricardo, Sandow. Cena spent a few years in UWF too. Or does wrestling outside America not count?

Nice, very sarcastic... and I'll give you some of those guys but a good few of the others were very much green horns when the WWe brought them in and there is a big difference between being established and having some wrestling experience. The fact remains that there are many established Indie guys (especially from International markets) out there who have never and probably will never get a shot in the WWe.

There are 38 NCAA Division 1 football players for every NFL player. How is making it as a footballer any less of a gamble than being in WWE.

Because there are far fewer spots in the WWe and how many wrestlers in the world who'd give their left nut to be in one of them?

Still better chances than just being an NFL reject.

And I'd ask why someone who gives up on his chosen career path (that he has trained his lifetime for) would want to then take an equally big gamble on a profession they have absolutely no experience at?
 
I am all for this. It is true that the WWE has more to gain than the NFL. But good for the WWE why limit your resources. The more resources you have at your disposable the better IMO. NFL or ex NFL players are very athletic and are the most likely to make a WWE roster. I had no idea that Titus O'neal was 32 when he signed his WWE contract. Anyway why the hell not. If a football player can no longer make a 53 man roster and if he wants to be a WWE wrestler why not?

As far as the Indy scene goes the WWE has their hand in that pot as well. Yes it takes time and incredible ability to be a WWE superstar but IMO as ex NFL players goes,they are the most likely to make a roster..
 
So why would NFL partner up with a company that runs a show that competes with Monday Night Football for ratings?

Because it's not the NFL, the OP is a dumbass. It's the player's union, and pointing rejects in a direction that will allow them to use more of their skills than sitting in an office and pick up a good paycheque is a good idea.
 
One can only wonder how a relationship between WWE and the NFL will turn out, but you did raise a great point. The NFL doesnt have much to gain from this deal. Football isnt anywhere close to losing a significant portion of its fan base (unlike the WWE in recent years) and if anything teaming up with a pro wresting company could hurt it's credibility. Its worth a shot, and if anyone can work a miracle its Jim Ross, but its an unnecessary venture.
 

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