US and IC Championships Pointless???

[A.J.]

I was thinking how WWE has the IC belt for RAW and the US belt for SmackDown! for the midcarders and for poor Benoit a guy who should be main-eventing but is not seen that way by Vince and others well just looking overall at the mid-card pciture in the WWE for both brands is it really pointless to have these championships for the mid-carders i mean these titles get moved around like a hot potato at times and others times the belts just sit there on a guy, yet that guy doenst even make the next move up which is for a shot at the WWE/WH title..

So what do you all think...are those title pointless?? I personally do as they have no real meaning nowadays as WWE makes showcases these titles on their shows seem like nothing as in no prestige

 

[Dominus]

No way are these pointless! They're supposed to be the stepping stone per say to the 3 "WWECW World Heavyweight Titles". Bret/Michaels/Austin/Rock all were great IC champions before they were great World Champions.

Look at Orton, he was IC champ for along time, then thrust into the World title situation. Cena too. Plus they can make for some good feuds, that don't need the whole attention of everyone, so they tend to last longer sometimes.
Will Jeff Hardy become a World Champion in WWE? That's a tough sell, but the longer he holds the title the more he slowly climbs up that ladder (if they let him). As for Benoit? I see it that because Batista is the top face right now, that Benoit had to settle with holding the US title. Maybe in time he'll come back into the main event light, but atleast he has a title, unlike The Undertaker who has been having seemingly pointless feuds for years! Rarely fighting for any title.

 

[A.J.]

Very true on the past but when you look at since Orton and Cena have held those champiosnhips they as of rite now in WWE there to me hold no signicance as they once did

 

[Y 2 Jake]

It's pointless if it swapped around like a hot potato. It's pointless if it's on a superstar like Benoit, who does'nt need the title.

But the I.C. title did a lot for Orton and Benjamin because they had proper reign's and carried them with pride. It possibly would have done more Nitro if he had held it longer.

The U.S. title is a complete joke. The two superstar's that really needed a lengthy title push (Lashley and Kennedy) barely held it for a few week's. And when they lost it, it was to wrestler's who did'nt need it. The New U.S. title (post 2003) has'nt meant anything since Eddie wore it. And even then he lost it to the Big Show.

 

[Dominus]

I can't comment much on Smawcwkdown because I never watch it. Swapping the title has happened before with Michaels, Jannety, Diesel all holding it. Not to mention whatever happened there between Razor, Jarrett, and all them other guys. As I see the IC title only changed hands a few times last year. Flair, Benjamin, Nitro, Hardy, Nitro, Hardy or something like that? The back & forth between Nitro & Hardy was good because it gave the rivalry a refresh when the title was changed, and also gave the fans a moment of shock when a title changes hands on Raw (it did didn't it?)
Benoit needs to US title right now IMO because what the hell else is he going to do? Now if they turned him heel that would be different. With Benoit as a heel he could be like Edge is. But since he lacks the charisma Edge has, he should just go in & beat the crap outta his opponents, much like Angle did/does.
Look at the 'faces' that aren't holding single titles right now? They're usually stuck in some lame angle, (Carlito, Masters, Super Crazy, Kennedy, Kane, Chavo, Mysterio) because unless a wrestler is competing for a title, it doesn't make sense why he should be wrestling. So they make up for it by having Super Crazy being super... and crazy! And Masters with his Master Lock, Carlito with Torrie, and Kane with god knows what. Or Chavo & Mysterio fighting over Eddie's estate!?! Atleast Kennedy has had feuds with people to 'become' the number 1 contender.

 

[Big Fella]

These titles are not useless, they just aren't being used properly.

The IC title should be swapped around, using the guys it is rotating between to slowly elevate a few guys at a time to the next level.

The title should then be held for a long period of time (6 months-year) to rebuild the belt so to speak.

I am not too familiar with the current product, but have been re-watching a ton of old tapes lately.

It seems to me guys like Roddy Piper, Ted Dibiase, and Jake Roberts just aren't around anymore. These guys were staples in the WWF in the early late 80's/early 90's, and I don't think there was more than 1 singles title reign between the three of them.

There needs to also be career-long tag team guys. There have been a few like the Dudley's, but that has been few and far between recently too.

I think the WWF/E used to carry on storylines a lot longer than they used to. I know a lot of it has to do with having a PPV every month now, but I still think they could sell the same main event if it is done properly a few months in a row. Where the WWE sees stagnancy, I see stability, thus, prestige.

 

[X]

I don't really know the history of the US championship, but the Intercontinental Championship is in no way pointless. It's easily the most valued titled next to the WWE and World Heavyweight, and the history behind it runs deep and proud. I'll never forget the fantastic Intercontinental ladder matches in the WWE past, classic battles like Shawn Michaels Vs. Razor Ramon at Wrestlemania 10, HHH Vs. The Rock and Summerslam 98, so many others I can't even name them. It's the stepping stone to the top of the business, and all of our greatest champs started off with reigns as Intercontinental championship.

 

[CGros31]

I agree with Big Fella, i just think that these titles aren't used properly. The US title used to be the #1 contender to the NWA/WCW title which is now the World Heavyweight Championship. The Intercontinental Championship used to be used as a stepping stone to the WWE championship. How many title shots are the US and I-C champions getting as of late? These titles are very prestigious, but within the last decade they have lost their value. It needs to be rebuild with a couple of good champions with lengthy runs, and the titles need to be used for their intended purpose.

 

[ronalddeo]

Unless they have people fueding over the belt like the WWE and WORLD TITLE then wwe will have a better 2hrs of tv every week rather than pointless skits and dry humour

 

[greenbeast95]

It seems to me that the WWE really doesn't care about either title, nor the tag-team titles. Can anyone honestly tell me the last feud where any of those titles has meant anything? I agree nitro and hardy put on some good matches, and traded the ic title, but that wasn't a feud! It seems like every week there's different people on raw fighting for the title. Benoit and Chavo had a feud, but the US Title had nothing to do with it. The tag titles are even worse, it seems like their just throwing people together these days. Why the hell do Cena and Micheals or Orton and Edge have those things. Put them on Crime Tyme or Cade and murdoch so you can have a PPV with multiple titles on the line. Remember PPV's where there would be 4 or 5 titles on the line, and you knew in every case there was a feud associated for the goal of gaining that title, whereas now they just throw some people together 2-3 weeks before a PPV and say go put on a good show. What the hell happened?

 

[Intensity]

Basically, here is what I think...

If Orton never won the IC title when he did, and if he never had the long title run as IC Champ like he did, he would of never been WHC champion, its a given. Triple H and Flair would of had to work hard to put him over.

If Cena never won the US Title from Big Show at WMXX, he would of never of gotten in the WWE Title picture.

Let's face it. Cena and Orton would of never of been the stars they are now if it wasn't for them winning the IC Title and US Title (respectivley).

Bottomline, I don't think either of the titles are pointless, because of the fact that guys like Cena and Orton solidified themselves as great rising stars by winning them. It won't be long for other young superstars to rise and win those titles imo, as mentioned, it's a big stepping stone (so to speak) for guys to get to the top of the mountain in WWE. We'll see what happens.

 

[CGros31]

I'll say that a lot of what has happened is the Vince McMahon does what what he wants to do. He'll have things go his way in his own personal playground he calls WWE. He doesn't care about what the fans want to see. At one point he did, but now that he's older, he doesn't care much anymore.

 

[Kain27]

Well atleast as far as the Intercontinental title goes..it has very little prestige in the last year or so i think. It's been bouncing around on people all the time and lately Jeff Hardy has been defending it against a new opponent almost every week for the last 5 weeks or so. What do you know he randomly defends his title on Raw this week against Umaga and loses it? C'mon they haven't really done anything to build up the Intercontinental championship in along time.

 

[Jonny B]

The problem is not that the titles themselves are a pointless concept, but that the WWE are using them in a poor way. Think about it, at No Way Out the US Title was not on the line, although Benoit wrestled. Jeff Hardy was not actually recognised as the IC Champion during the match either, so it just shows you how the WWE regards the titles. There are no feuds for them, Wrestlers dont want them, they need to build stories around the belt, rather than just having it there. If the belt isn't shown to be important to the wrestlers then how can they possibly hope to elevate people into the Main Event as a credible champion when all they will have held is the worthless IC or US Titles.

 

[OnceWalkerr]

NO Way these are great title Belts which are Given Great Importance in the WWE only thing is that WWE gives it to the Mid-Carders first so that they gain some Experience and Popularity and then Push them for the Big title Belts!

 

[Unrated Superstar]

I think it's true that the titles aren't being used properly and a lot of the time it seems as if people don't even want the titles. Case in point, Great Khali. He had a shot at the IC title (which baffled me, but that's another story) and he simply let Hardy get counted out. Now I know Khali isn't necessarily a genius, but give me a break. Just shows you how much the title means these days.

I think if they don't want to put Carlito into the WWE title picture then he's one person who could really use another IC title reign. He's just getting into all this random crap lately and I think the title would give him some stability. I would have said the same thing for Shelton Benjamin not too long ago, but now he's in a tag team, so good for him.

Umaga as IC champ? Give me a break, what the hell does he need that title for? What does it prove for him? Same thing with Benoit with the US title. Chavo's the one who really could have used it, yet they had Benoit turn back his challenge for it time and time again.

But I was actually disappointed when Hardy went into the IC title hunt upon his return. They built him up a fair amount, and I was really hoping he'd be in the WWE title picture, especially when he returned and gave then-champion Edge a run for his money. I think he deserves to be in the main event picture, but then they had him go for and win the IC title and win it. Then I was really disappointed when I heard him say something along the lines of "This is why I came back to Raw, to become the Intercontinental Champion." This is Jeff, not Matt (sorry Mattitude Followers, I just find Jeff way more entertaining)!

I think all we can do is pray to the wrestling gods that WWE realizes the error of their ways in regard to those titles, among many other things.

 

[rvd420blazeit]

i really enjoy the IC and US title..i think they put on great matches with the mid cards but i dont think that it should keep wrestlers like BENOIT from staying at the midcard level..he's been there to long he should be at the top with batista...those titles are like step stones to the world titles and i think its about time they move some of the guys up like MATT HARDY..CHAVO GUERRERO..SUPER CRAZY..GREGORY HELMS..ETC