Undertaker will SHIT all over Stings legacy at Wrestlemania XXX

[Aquaman6686]

What's better for Sting's career? Wrestling for the TNA Heavyweight Championship for the 800th time, in front of 250 fans, or wrestling one of the greatest of all time, at a WrestleMania, in front of 75,000+?

Sting has never worked for WWE a day in his life, and is going to be HANDED a match with one of the biggest stars in the history of wrestling, in one of the main events at a WRESTLEMANIA. If this happens, Sting should count his blessings, hope Undertaker can carry him to a decent match, and collect his single paycheck which will be more than he made in his entire tenure in TNA.

 

[Redrum]

I would rather they hold off on taker vs sting til next year. I think you could get sting to sign a one year part timer deal where he can have a semi run in WWE. Have him go over some guys maybe hold the title in a transition for a month or two near the end of the year and then have him go into next year wanting taker and being put in the HoF.

 

[laodaron]

I think you have to do Sting Taker this year, because Cena has to take the Streak, and Sting Taker isn't fun at WM without the Streak.

 

[Redrum]

I think you have to do Sting Taker this year, because Cena has to take the Streak, and Sting Taker isn't fun at WM without the Streak.

Why does Cena have to take it? His Legacy doesn't need takers streak. If taker is to lose and the streak broken it needs to be to a younger rising star who it can boost to the moon.

 

[laodaron]

Cena is the only superstar in the last decade with the star power to actually take it. Cena is the only one qualified to take it. However, if it doesn't get taken, I'm also ok.

Giving something like the Streak to young talent just says that you don't care about anyone that has actually put the time into the industry, and it's the dumbest move that could be made with Taker.

 

[Wald]

Sting & Taker are, possibly, the two most respected men in American pro wrestling and have been for decades.

This has always been the attraction of this match. You listen to enough wrestler interviews and all you ever hear is good words being said about these two, everyone else gets thrashed in some way or another but when it comes to Sting and the Undertaker all anyone from Flair to Austin to the Hitman to Angle has to say is that these two are great guys, draws and wrestlers. Both of them were locker room leaders in their prime, both drew a tonne of money and both have a back catalogue of matches to be very proud of.

That said, I think the time for the match to happen has probably past. If Sting signs and is able to show up at Mania what I'd honestly do with the scenario would be to have the Undertaker show up on a Raw in the coming weeks and handpick Roman Reigns as his Wrestlemania opponent. Induct Sting in to the Hall of Fame this year and also have him run out at the end of the Taker vs Reigns match to help Taker fend off the Shield. Have the two take on the Shield at Extreme Rules and either leave it there or give Sting a short run in the company.

 

[Kliq69]

Not sure how doing the job to one of the biggest stars in the sport in front of the largest crowd of the year is shitting on a legacy.

If anything, working for a company that draws 300-500 fans to house shows, is seen by maybe a million people weekly, and who's record attendance is under 20,000 people would destroy the legacy a lot quicker than jobbing to Taker would. It's like Peyton Manning leaving the NFL next season for the arena league, no matter how successful he is there, it's still a knock on his legacy that he played there.

 

[FlairFan2003]

Of course we already know the outcome of that hypothetical match. That's not the point. The point would be the match between two men found success in two different promotions, finally meeting face to face on a huge stage. There's only so many people who are recognizable by fans that have NOT been in the WWF/WWE yet.

It's not dissimilar to Hogan Vs. Flair (the first time) or Hogan Vs. Rock.

And a loss wouldn't be SHITTING all over Sting's legacy.

Am I missing something...is this match booked...Does WWE really think they can get the fan base excited about seeing a guy who has been MIA for a decade ?

Im a huge fan of Sting...I just don't see much money now in this match with him having been MIA for so long. I know he has appeared in TNA but lets be honest, no one watches TNA, the overwhelming majority of wrestling fans that WWE is trying to reach have no concept about TNA. I still get friends at work that ask me what Ric Flair's been up to because they have no idea what TNA is or that he (along with Foley, Nash, and Hogan) actually appeared there.

As far as Sting vs Taker at WrestleMania...honestly I would do at least a two match series, maybe let Sting go over at Royal Rumble and set up the WrestleMania clash (where it's assumed Taker would win to preserve his streak).

I don't think McMahon wants to @#$% all over Sting's legacy...if anything I think he see's maybe two or three big money matches and a boat load of commemorative DVDs and merchandise along with his HOF induction. McMahon might not have cared about WCW mid carders but he very carefully protected the legacy of Flair for instance. Some will argue that was because McMahon likes him and the two got along in the past. I would say that might play a part but the bigger part is that he knew he could make huge bank selling his DVDs and T-Shirts. If he got some big $$ matches out of him in the interim even better. McMahon never @#$% on Hogan's legacy either despite their highly publicized battles, or Brett Hart despite their incredibly nasty break up. There is too much $$ to be made off of Sting and I think Sting is a guy that a lot in the industry respect and look up to.

As far as "knowing the outcome"...I don't think anyone knew how Flair-Hogan would turn out in 1991-92, there was a real possibility that Flair would take the title off of Hogan even if he lost it back. In 1994 yes, I think anyone watching knew how that run would turn out, but not the first time.

Besides, if done right, even when you know the outcome that match and feud can be very entertaining...Did anyone really think Steve Austin wouldn't beat HBK at WM for the title for instance ?

 

[FlairFan2003]

Cena is the only superstar in the last decade with the star power to actually take it. Cena is the only one qualified to take it. However, if it doesn't get taken, I'm also ok.

Giving something like the Streak to young talent just says that you don't care about anyone that has actually put the time into the industry, and it's the dumbest move that could be made with Taker.

You're assuming that Taker loses The Streak at some point. I don't think he will, I think he keeps it intact. I cant say eventually someone wont come around and surpass it but I don't think he loses it, he retire with it intact.

Taker has already beaten HHH, HBK, and Flair, all guys big enough to have ended it, not too mention Batista and Edge at their career heights, he hasn't lost yet.

 

[Trill Co$by]

Sting has been in TNA for years, just facing The Undertaker at Mania would be a great thing for his legacy. How would WWE use Sting? Better than TNA.

Ever since day one of his arrival in TNA, Sting's been nothing but gold. He's been their center piece, and the guy has been rewarded every step of the way.

TNA gave Sting a total of FIVE world title reigns, one of which is the most prestigious World title EVER in the NWA World title. TNA also gave us matches like Sting vs. Kurt Angle, revived his career, and even added an extra level of depth to his legacy. The whole "Sting not being in WWE" is all because of TNA, and it's helped raise the awareness for him than anybody could possibly imagine.

To sit there and say that jobbing out to the Undertaker ONE time would out shadow everything he's done in the last 10 and a half years is not only asinine, but ludicrous as well.

The OP has a valid point. If Sting goes to the WWE, it shouldn't be to face The Undertaker. If anything, he should be given the same level of respect that Ric Flair was given. Sting's not as old as you may think, and with a WWE medical staff, I'm sure he can become even better. Sting should be utilized to help build younger stars like Ryback or even Daniel Bryan, as well as to revive legitimacy to some titles. Hell, giving him the US title and letting him run with it would do wonders.

Facing Undertaker has ONE outcome, and only one. You face him, people talk for a few months, and then you're forgotten. Sting, having the successful career he's had, should not be relegated down to that within even the slightest bit.

 

[Kliq69]

Ever since day one of his arrival in TNA, Sting's been nothing but gold. He's been their center piece, and the guy has been rewarded every step of the way.

TNA gave Sting a total of FIVE world title reigns, one of which is the most prestigious World title EVER in the NWA World title. TNA also gave us matches like Sting vs. Kurt Angle, revived his career, and even added an extra level of depth to his legacy. The whole "Sting not being in WWE" is all because of TNA, and it's helped raise the awareness for him than anybody could possibly imagine.

To sit there and say that jobbing out to the Undertaker ONE time would out shadow everything he's done in the last 10 and a half years is not only asinine, but ludicrous as well.

The OP has a valid point. If Sting goes to the WWE, it shouldn't be to face The Undertaker. If anything, he should be given the same level of respect that Ric Flair was given. Sting's not as old as you may think, and with a WWE medical staff, I'm sure he can become even better. Sting should be utilized to help build younger stars like Ryback or even Daniel Bryan, as well as to revive legitimacy to some titles. Hell, giving him the US title and letting him run with it would do wonders.

Facing Undertaker has ONE outcome, and only one. You face him, people talk for a few months, and then you're forgotten. Sting, having the successful career he's had, should not be relegated down to that within even the slightest bit.

Flair was added to the streak a year after WCW fell. So, if Sting deserves what Flair got, then by all means he should be added as well.

Sting in TNA is the whole tree falls in the woods conundrum. If no one saw it, did it make a sound? A majority of wrestling fans have no idea who Sting is and if they do, haven't had any idea what he's been up to since the match against Flair on the last Nitro.

The "NWA title" that TNA branched from isn't prestigious at all. The NWA title was diluted the first time when WWWF broke from it. It was diluted further when the AWA broke from it. It was diluted further when WCW separated it's World Heavyweight Champion from the "International World Title". Then it was made historically irrelevant when Shane Douglass won a tournament for it, vacated it saying

"In the tradition of Lou Thesz, in the tradition of Jack Brisco of the Brisco Brothers, of Dory Funk Jr., of Terry Funk-- the man who will never die. As the real Nature Boy Buddy Rogers, upstairs tonight. From the Harley Races, to the Barry Windhams, to the...(Douglas grimaces in a thinly veiled look of disgust) Ric Flairs, I accept this heavyweight title. ... Wait a second. Of Kerry Von Erich. Of the fat man himself, Dusty Rhodes. This is it tonight, Dad. God, that's beautiful. And Rick Steamboat, and they can all kiss my ass! (throws down the NWA World Heavyweight Championship) Because! I am not the man who accepts a torch to be handed down to me from an organization that died-- RIP-- seven years ago. The Franchise, Shane Douglas, is the man who ignites the new flame of the sport of professional wrestling! [taking the ECW title] Tonight, before God and my father is witness, I declare myself, The Franchise, as the new ECW Heavyweight Champion of the world! We have set out to change the face of professional wrestling. So tonight, let the new era begin: the era of the sport of professional wrestling, the era of The Franchise, the era of the ECW."

Between then and TNA attempting to use it, it was held by the likes of Dan Severn and mike rapada, so please don't act like the NWA championship that TNA used was the same one that Flair and Steamboat had wars over, or was the same championship that Thesz held. One was for the best in the industry at any given time, the other was for a bunch of jobbers who couldn't make it big anywhere that mattered.

 

[Trill Co$by]

Between then and TNA attempting to use it, it was held by the likes of Dan Severn and mike rapada, so please don't act like the NWA championship that TNA used was the same one that Flair and Steamboat had wars over, or was the same championship that Thesz held. One was for the best in the industry at any given time, the other was for a bunch of jobbers who couldn't make it big anywhere that mattered.

The NWA World Title, in its glory days, was held by people like Ron Garvin, Carlos Colon, Giant Baba, and Jack Veneno. Of those four, only one of those is ever talked about and that's only because two of his kids and his nephew managed to get into the WWE. So to say that guys of the Pre-TNA era don't deserve recognition, but to give those four credit is blasphemy. Especially when you throw in names like Sabu, Chris Candido, and Steve Corino. Plus, given the fact that the title also carried a lot of weight over in Japan, that kind of let it stay up there as a prestigious world title. Unless you want to say only American titles can be world titles, in which case, feel free to be as blind and judgmental as you want.

 

[AnthonyM4]

Why do people even want to see this match anymore anyway? Both guys are older now and I don't think it would be good at all. If Sting does sign with wwe(and I reallly hope he does) then he should make his debut at wm 30, but not against Undertaker. How about Sting and John Cena vs the Wyatt Family in a handicap match?

BTW, to whoever thinks that Sting has a 90 day no compete with TNA, his contract is up. If it's up there is no 90 day clause. That's only if they release him, which they didn't. If his TNA contract is up then he is free to sign elsewhere. TNA is a sinking ship, he needs to jump out of there! Going to wwe for a year or so would be the cherry on top for his career(Lex Luger said something like that in his interview recently).

 

[d_henderson1810]

Everyone is saying either Daniel Bryan, Brock Lesnar or Sting should face Taker. But I will throw up another name- JOHN CENA!

I remember a report from Wrestlezone that Vince wants Cena to main-event WM because he is still the chief money-maker, and there was talk on Cena-Bray Wyatt being the WMXXX last match. Well, why not make the main-event at WMXX a match between Cena, and the most iconic legend in WM history- The Undertaker!

But Cena and Undertaker would be huge. It is somewhat fresh (the last time they fought on PPV was Vengeance 2005, almost nine years ago). Also, there are few superstars left who people can believe could beat the Streak. Cena is one of those guys who the fans would fear could actually beat the Deadman. He would be safer than Brock, more believable in beating the streak than Bryan, and more available and accomodating than Sting would be. Plus Cena goes on talk shows, so he could heavily promote this match.

A match like Cena-Taker is a match you can sell Wrestlemania on. I know there are a lot of Cena haters here, but even you must admit that Cena is good enough in the ring to make this match an epic. Cena may no-sell, but neither does Taker, and maybe this could be played upon on the match (neither man can finish off the other). It is even the type of match where you could even do it at both WMXXX and have a rematch at WMXXXI, and wouldn't have the farcical "Once In A Lifetime" tag, like his matches with the Rock had.

 

[Kliq69]

The NWA World Title, in its glory days, was held by people like Ron Garvin, Carlos Colon, Giant Baba, and Jack Veneno. Of those four, only one of those is ever talked about and that's only because two of his kids and his nephew managed to get into the WWE. So to say that guys of the Pre-TNA era don't deserve recognition, but to give those four credit is blasphemy. Especially when you throw in names like Sabu, Chris Candido, and Steve Corino. Plus, given the fact that the title also carried a lot of weight over in Japan, that kind of let it stay up there as a prestigious world title. Unless you want to say only American titles can be world titles, in which case, feel free to be as blind and judgmental as you want.

Giant Baba is one of the biggest draws in wrestling history, ranking just under Inoki in Japan. Garvin was a hell of a worker, much like Brisco was. All of those reigns, outside of the Baba reign were used to push local ticket sales before putting the belt back on the true champ. I think once the belt was removed from it's legacy with the "International World Title" moniker combined with a midcarder saying the belt was trash and he was too good for it kind of means it's about as prestigious as the WCW TV title or the European title.

I don't think Japanese world titles qualify, no different than the ECW title, as they don't tour the "world" with them. The Apter mags never listed the ECW belt as a real world title, no different than the NWA belt after it split from WCW or the IWGP or AJP belts weren't either.

 

[The Brooklyn Baller]

Judging by many posts I think I'm in the minority when I say that I want to see these two at Wrestlemania - just not this year. Hear me out :

I'd like to see Sting debut in the WWE after this year's WM, and immediately challenge Taker for next year, in what would be the last match of both of their amazing careers. The buildup a la Rock/Cena could be amazing if booked properly (ahem), and in the meantime Sting could be used in a part time capacity to stay active & push over the younger talent, say someone like Roman Reigns.

Come Wrestlemania next year the match would be huge and close the show. Of course we wouldn't be expecting a five star match, though we could be proven wrong. Either way both these guys are such great professionals and storytellers they would still be capable of a great match.

Now of course I would expect Taker to win and wouldn't want it any other way, and I don't think Sting would care either. Just imagine these two legends standing in the ring together at the end of Mania, celebrating their storied careers with the crowd.

Thoughts?

 

[laodaron]

Sounds boring to me. Maybe, no one challenges Taker for this year's Mania. Maybe he comes out for the next few weeks trying to challenge guys, and they're all, nah, we respect you, or some bullshit. Then, the Raw after EC this year, Taker maybe does a run in on someone, because he's so frustrated. Lights go out and come back on. Sting is behind him, BAM, Scorpion Death Drop.

 

[The Brooklyn Baller]

Sounds boring to me. Maybe, no one challenges Taker for this year's Mania. Maybe he comes out for the next few weeks trying to challenge guys, and they're all, nah, we respect you, or some bullshit. Then, the Raw after EC this year, Taker maybe does a run in on someone, because he's so frustrated. Lights go out and come back on. Sting is behind him, BAM, Scorpion Death Drop.

Pretty cool idea....yeah he doesn't have to be at Mania. haha That would be an amazing Sting blindside! The only thing is I don't think they could sell no one wanting to challenge him.

 

[laodaron]

Taker comes out on Raw to talk to HHH and The Authority and HHH says, "Hey, Taker. Man, we love you, we really do. It's always so great to see you. You an me, we had some matches. <pause> Here's the thing, though. Some of the guys are frustrated that you keep coming back at Mania, and well, quite frankly, I agree with them. This year, we're going to do something else. Not only is your Streak on the line, but if you lose, tap out, count out, get DQed, well, old friend, you will be fired from the WWE!"

Because of the retirement clause, you can easily book that none of the talent wants to be the guy that takes the Streak AND forces retirement. Obviously, Taker goes over at WM30, but you never really know.

 

[Messiah]

Undertaker will win the match, we all know that. So what's the point?

Bringing a 54-year old wrestler from WCW that didn't want to go to WWE 2001 because he didnt know how he was going to be used.

That's from Stings mouth: "I didn't know how they would use me?"

So now we got a match between two old legends, but the outcome is pretty clear. There is no odds on this match, Undertaker will bury Sting.

Stings legacy shouldn't be tossed that way. Sting is one of the biggest legends in this industry and one of the biggest faces of all time.

I feel Vince will just shit on Stings legacy and will make him lose because he's the WCW guy.

I rather see Undertaker vs Daniel Bryan, if someone breaks the streak it would be a major boost, to beat Undertaker.

But we all know deep down that Sting will not win the match, and if the outcome of the match is already clear it will not be that entertaining. Vince, we already know the outcome of it.

The fans will know "Undertaker will kick out out at the 2 count".

So have a Undertaker match vs a PG Star - Daniel Bryan or Cena instead of Sting.

What's the point? Because the match will draw money. Anybody who faces Undertaker at WrestleMania is going to loose, so that's not a reason to not book the match. If WWE thinks the match will draw a lot of money, they will book it. It's not about winning or loosing in WWE. It's about what's best for business, they even say that on the damn show. It's what they truly feel. That's why Bryan is not in the main-event, because you people won't spend any money on him like buying his merchandise. All you want to do is chant "yes" at shows... It doesn't matter to me if Sting goes to WWE, but if he does, WWE should book Sting vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania because that match will draw huge.

 

[PhoenixBuster]

The way that I WOULD book the match between these two, in order to preserve the perceived uncertainty of the result, is to have them face off for the first time well before Mania and, in a hotly contested match, I'd have Sting go over Taker. Taker takes some time off perhaps while Sting continues his own stint. Then, as Mania approaches again, you match them up in, let's just say, a tag match against each other. You keep it close, but make Sting again look reaaaal strong, ideally winning this one, too. Now the seeds are planted for "Can Taker pull it off?" as Sting sets his sights on the Streak. And then obviously, in a much better match than the first single's bout, Taker picks up the win, protecting the Streak from a man that doesn't actually need to end it.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

It's not at all official that Sting is in the WWE much less who he'd wrestle (if anyone), but I'm sure if he did, the WWE would have him lose to the Undertaker. This is a huge upgrade over what Sting has been doing for the last 10 years and his biggest match since Starrcade 1997 but I still feel like this is a spit in the face to Sting. I know, none of this is anymore concrete than me winning the lottery, but still I wanted to bitch.

That's what you sound like and it's silly. Sting in the WWE would be fun. Sting vs Undertaker would draw huge. Personally, no I don't want to see it. I want to see Bryan end the streak.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

The way that I WOULD book the match between these two, in order to preserve the perceived uncertainty of the result, is to have them face off for the first time well before Mania and, in a hotly contested match, I'd have Sting go over Taker. Taker takes some time off perhaps while Sting continues his own stint. Then, as Mania approaches again, you match them up in, let's just say, a tag match against each other. You keep it close, but make Sting again look reaaaal strong, ideally winning this one, too. Now the seeds are planted for "Can Taker pull it off?" as Sting sets his sights on the Streak. And then obviously, in a much better match than the first single's bout, Taker picks up the win, protecting the Streak from a man that doesn't actually need to end it.

Dude, what you booked is literally the best way to make it certain Taker would win. People are smart now and that is like booking 101 in 1989.

You want the outcome to be uncertain? Have Taker say it's his last match. Everyone knows the code of going out on your back.

 

[Redrum]

Cena is the only superstar in the last decade with the star power to actually take it. Cena is the only one qualified to take it. However, if it doesn't get taken, I'm also ok.

Giving something like the Streak to young talent just says that you don't care about anyone that has actually put the time into the industry, and it's the dumbest move that could be made with Taker.

No not really at all you clearly didn't even try and understand my point. My point is to give it to a up and coming young start that is already established but not one of THE guys yet at least legacy wise. Giving it to Cena would be pointless you gain nothing from it his legacy is already that of your Hogans,Austin and Rocks. Giving it to say a DB or a Orton ( a few years back when they did offer it to him) makes ALOT of sense. You have a guy who is already proven but is still years away from having that legacy to make him "the man".

The Streak is either never going to end or be given to a up and comer who WWE is confident in. Reigns or Wyatt by this time next year would be a candidates or DB this year or the next. Those are the types you would have the streak end to. It would boost them to major main eventers on par with anyone. Giving it to cena is just a waste since his status is already the face of the company for over a decade.

 

[The Brooklyn Baller]

Giving it to Cena would be pointless you gain nothing from it his legacy is already that of your Hogans,Austin and Rocks. Giving it to say a DB or a Orton ( a few years back when they did offer it to him) makes ALOT of sense. You have a guy who is already proven but is still years away from having that legacy to make him "the man".

The Streak is either never going to end or be given to a up and comer who WWE is confident in. Reigns or Wyatt by this time next year would be a candidates or DB this year or the next. Those are the types you would have the streak end to. It would boost them to major main eventers on par with anyone. Giving it to cena is just a waste since his status is already the face of the company for over a decade.

Totally agree, and I don't want to stray to far from the op's topic but with regard to the streak, the last week I've been thinking about how awesome it would be for Bryan to break it, in that it would be talked about for years and push him further than anything else (yes, longer than winning any title at Mania). That said I want the streak to remain.

Today it hit me, with some talent feeling used and dissatisfied there always exists a chance one might walk (that's been proven time and again). There's no way the WWE would ever take a chance on having someone who could potentially walk break the streak. Say Bryan, or any superstar did it, and 4 months later got pissed and walked. How could the WWE ever spin the fact that the man who finally defeated Taker crapped on the company by walking out? I don't think there's anyone they are that confident in except for Cena (you are right, nothing to be gained) or a McMahon....go Stephanie!