UFC 148 LD: Cheap Shots vs. Double Leg Shots

[Turd Ferguson]

I hated Forrest after he was an overall dick to all the fans at the Fan Expo in 2010 by the way, and my hatred for him only grew after tonight too, between running out of the cage, and trying to upstage Tito in his last moments of his career, not sure what it was, but it kind of really rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[INDYjon22]

Happy for Forrest. Sad to see Tito go out on a loss. Bummed that Chael lost and honestly couldn't see the TV very well where I was at so I can't comment. Props to Anderson on the win, I suppose.

 

[Slyfox696]

I hated Forrest after he was an overall dick to all the fans at the Fan Expo in 2010 by the way, and my hatred for him only grew after tonight too, between running out of the cage, and trying to upstage Tito in his last moments of his career, not sure what it was, but it kind of really rubbed me the wrong way.

Forrest is just a nutjob.

 

[The Best]

Any of you think that Demian Maia can make a run at 170?

 

[Fizzy]

If he uses his BJJ like he should, yes, he can make it decently far. He has shown he can handle wrestlers, he just needs to ditch this striking fix he's been on.

Do I see him beating GSP? No, I don't, but he can be a good top 10 fighter for a few years to come.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Tonight was too freakish so I say it's inconclusive at this time.

However, if he remembers that his striking is worthless and that he's a Jiu-Jitsu wizard, then yes. I wouldn't mind seeing him against Diego Sanchez or Erick Silva.

 

[The Best]

It really looks like 170 fits him better than 185 does/did, he physically looked good. I think that he could pull out a few big wins, but he's obviously not up there with GSP or Condit yet. He's just got to stick to his jiu-jitsu, and stay close to his opponent when he's on his fight. His movement looked a lot better though, and his wrestling is improving. He is a very solid fighter.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Going back to who's next for Anderson...

@lorenzofertitta i want 2 pick a fight with the middle weight champion! Lol Make it happen!! Please!!”

Fuck it... set it up now.

 

[Slyfox696]

Going back to who's next for Anderson...



Fuck it... set it up now.

Bad idea Rashad....bad idea....

 

[The Best]

Anderson is much better than Rashad. Wrestling is the only thing Rashad has on Anderson, but I could see Anderson out striking Rashad all over the octagon. Rashad is very identical to Chael, only Rashad is stronger and doesn't have as good of a double leg take down. Anderson vs. Rashad would be a very fun fight though.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

It's what I thought Rashad should have done after the Jones loss anyway as, like Chael right now, he's in between a rock and a hard place in his division where he's good enough to be at the top, but won't get a rematch against the champion any time soon.

It's a pretty decent superfight, that's for sure.

 

[JGlass]

I can't believe how many people on here are Sonnen guys. He was a huge fucking bitch, and he seems to have a fairly unimpressive career. I'm glad that Silva made him look like a fool in the second round. Or more accurately, I'm glad Sonnen made a fool of himself in the second round.

Also, my favorite fight of the night was the Cote/Le bout. Very entertaining, and that Le dude can bring it for a 40-year-old.

 

[Fizzy]

It's a bad idea for anybody not named Jon Jones to fight Anderson. Regarding a Jones/Anderson super fight, I was pretty adamant about Jones winning decisively, but after watching Anderson in the clinch tonight, I am rethinking that. Anderson's weakness is to a good shot and while Jones has a decent shot, it's not on the level of Sonnen. Jones relies on the clinch to take people down and Anderson is extremely skilled at using the cage and his skills in Muay Thai to keep himself off the ground while in a clinch position. I still say nobody can strike with Anderson and that includes Jones.

Of course, I could be wrong. Jones is physically much stronger than Anderson and that would play a huge factor in the clinch. Jones could certainly use his superior strength to slam Silva down as I originally pictured him doing, but even on the ground, Anderson is the best i've ever seen at nullifying ground offense.

Would Jones's hellbows be to much for Anderson? Would Anderson's flawless grappling defense nullify Jones on top? These questions need to be answered Dana! Make it happen!

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I can't believe how many people on here are Sonnen guys. He was a huge fucking bitch, and he seems to have a fairly unimpressive career. I'm glad that Silva made him look like a fool in the second round. Or more accurately, I'm glad Sonnen made a fool of himself in the second round.

Well let's not act like Silva was a choir boy here either.

Sonnen's record on paper may seem unimpressive, but he peaked later on in his career, and he was on a tear, good enough to get two title shots. He's the #2 in the division for a reason. If you're looking at his record and judging him to be impressive, then I guess guys like BJ Penn, Tito Ortiz, and Randy Couture (who don't have particularly great records either) aren't Hall of Famers, right?

 

[Slyfox696]

It's a bad idea for anybody not named Jon Jones to fight Anderson. Regarding a Jones/Anderson super fight, I was pretty adamant about Jones winning decisively, but after watching Anderson in the clinch tonight, I am rethinking that. Anderson's weakness is to a good shot and while Jones has a decent shot, it's not on the level of Sonnen. Jones relies on the clinch to take people down and Anderson is extremely skilled at using the cage and his skills in Muay Thai to keep himself off the ground while in a clinch position. I still say nobody can strike with Anderson and that includes Jones.

Of course, I could be wrong. Jones is physically much stronger than Anderson and that would play a huge factor in the clinch. Jones could certainly use his superior strength to slam Silva down as I originally pictured him doing, but even on the ground, Anderson is the best i've ever seen at nullifying ground offense.

Would Jones's hellbows be to much for Anderson? Would Anderson's flawless grappling defense nullify Jones on top? These questions need to be answered Dana! Make it happen!

I don't think Dana White will let Anderson Silva anywhere near Jon Jones. Jon Jones is a huge moneymaker and will be for a while. Silva has a reputation that is less than flattering towards opponents. I don't see any way Dana White would let Silva near Jones.

If they did fight though, it sure would be a hell of a matchup.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

God, I'd love to see it happen, but both guys seem adamant about not fighting each other.

Anderson's getting up there in age though. Let's face it, he has 3-4 fights tops, left, seeing as how he typically fights 2 times a year. He shouldn't be wasting it on low-risk, blah matchups like Munoz/Weidman and good god almighty, possibly Tim Boetsch.

Go for broke and put him in superfights. Give Rashad an immediate title shot and make the GSP Superfight happen. Let's see some big, fun fights from here on out.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

http://www.ufc.com/media/148-post-pc

Press conference up. Dana's talking about how he's PISSED at Forrest. Pissed about him running to the back and stealing the mic from Rogan.

 

[Fizzy]

That's very true, Silva could clown Jones and severely hurt his drawing potential, but I really don't see any other options for Silva. Hector Lombard is the only MW who should even be mentioned in regards to a title fight and he is still at least one fight away, other than that, Middleweight is severely hurting for challengers. Everybody is at least two fights away from a title shot.

 

[JGlass]

Well let's not act like Silva was a choir boy here either.

No, he's not, but to my knowledge he doesn't usually try to get personal with his fights. He's just cocky.

Sonnen's record on paper may seem unimpressive, but he peaked later on in his career, and he was on a tear, good enough to get two title shots. He's the #2 in the division for a reason. If you're looking at his record and judging him to be impressive, then I guess guys like BJ Penn, Tito Ortiz, and Randy Couture (who don't have particularly great records either) aren't Hall of Famers, right?

I'm not that into MMA, so I'm not prepared to make a big long debate of this, but his record in the UFC is pretty much composed of him winning in decisions. He's only finished one fight in the UFC, and that was against some guy I've never even heard of. He's also 2 for 5 in big fights (Silva twice, Maia, Bisping, and Marquadt). In fact, out of his 15 matches in major companies (WEC and UFC), his record is 9-6, a fairly unimpressive mark.

Now I could be off here because I don't follow MMA that closely at all, but the fact that he doesn't have a poor record in big fights, a mediocre record in major companies, and he doesn't finish his fights shows to me that he has had an unimpressive career. Please, correct me if I'm wrong because I would be more than willing to admit I am, but that doesn't really compare to guys like Couture (15-8 in UFC) who finished fights against Belfort and Liddell or Matt Hughes (18-7 in UFC) that has finished fights against the likes of GSP and Penn.

 

[Fizzy]

Chael has fought a who's who of names in the MMA community. He's consistently fought in the biggest MMA organization in the world and beat the greatest fighter of all time worse than anybody else in his entire career. He's fought and defeated multiple title challengers and beat the WEC Middleweight champion in a non title bout because the champion didn't make weight. If that is an unimpressive career, you have insane qualifications for an "impressive" career. Just because he hasn't had an Anderson Silva or Randy Couture-esque career doesn't mean he hasn't been impressive.

 

[JGlass]

Every time Tito Ortiz talks I get the sudden urge to stick my head in a wood chipper.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

No, he's not, but to my knowledge he doesn't usually try to get personal with his fights. He's just cocky.

No, he usually tries to get personal. If you're a glutton for punishment, track down his fight against Demian Maia.

I'm not that into MMA, so I'm not prepared to make a big long debate of this, but his record in the UFC is pretty much composed of him winning in decisions.

So?

He's only finished one fight in the UFC, and that was against some guy I've never even heard of.

If your entire basis on Sonnen not being "impressive" is because he doesn't "finish fights"... then that's a pretty weak argument you're presenting. A win is a win. Fighters with Chael's style typically go to a decision. There's nothing wrong with that. The guy he did finish, Brian Stann, is very legit. He was on a tear before losing to Chael.

He's also 2 for 5 in big fights (Silva twice, Maia, Bisping, and Marquadt). In fact, out of his 15 matches in major companies (WEC and UFC), his record is 9-6, a fairly unimpressive mark.

Having 9 wins in the UFC and WEC is nothing to sneeze at. Maybe those are "big fights" by your standards, but he's also beaten Dan Miller (top 10 at the time he beat him) and Yushin Okami (#2 in the division when he beat him). I already mentioned Stann was on a tear when he beat him, and Stann was in the top 10 and knocking on the door of a title shot. He also avenged his big loss in the WEC against Paulo Filho in what was admittedly a bizarre fight, but regardless, a win is a win. The majority of those losses in the UFC you're referring to came in his first stint with the company when he didn't fight at his optimal weight, and he also lost to Babalu Sobral, who at the time was a top 10 Light Heavyweight... Chael was a newcomer to the company. You put anyone else in the

Now I could be off here because I don't follow MMA that closely at all, but the fact that he doesn't have a poor record in big fights, a mediocre record in major companies, and he doesn't finish his fights shows to me that he has had an unimpressive career. Please, correct me if I'm wrong because I would be more than willing to admit I am, but that doesn't really compare to guys like Couture (15-8 in UFC) who finished fights against Belfort and Liddell or Matt Hughes (18-7 in UFC) that has finished fights against the likes of GSP and Penn.

I'm not sure what's up with your obsession of finishing fights, but just because a fighter racks up a bunch of decision wins, it doesn't mean they're a bad fighter at all.