To All You Idiots Defending Vince...

[EC MF'N W]

All of you say we should praise Vince. And we should thank Vince just for bringing ECW back. And that it is not his fault ECW is failing he is protecting his money. And that they needed more then extreme to compete with TNA.

^^^Those are all things some of you just said by the way. Well let me address the 1st thing. About having to be more then extreme to compete with TNA. Anyone who has made a comment about ECW being a hardcore only company are what I like to call "bootleg ECW followers". You guys know nothing about ECW. ECW wasn't about being just harcore. It was about giving the little guys a chance to compete. About having them sacrifice their bodies to move up in the ranks. It was about fast paced action where anything can happen anyone could kick out of a finisher and you never knew just when the match was winding down. It was about highflying action and praising the amazing athleticism of the athletes.

Most importantly ECW was about connecting with the fans. All the workers reacted to the fans absurd chants, they yelled back at the fans, and you just never knew when Spike Dudley might end up in your lap.

Now about thanking Vince. Vince knew he didn't have to protect his money. He knew he wouldn't have had to give WWE writers an ounce of control over the product. He saw the 1st One Night Stand and the insane reaction it got. You think Vince and his soap opera writers wrote that show? Hell no. We saw more then tables and chairs. We saw some great wrestling: Jericho vs Lance Storm, Mysterio vs Beniot, Super Crazy in the triple threat. Then we also got our fair share of hardcore.

Vince saw the success and immediatley booked ONSII. Did he touch this? Maybe a bit in who would win the WWE Title matches. But again a huge success led by Paul Heyman. How successful? Well Vince already booked a 3rd.

Then you Vince supporters come and say "it's not Vince's fault people won't come to the show". Yes it is. As soon as the 1st TV show aired everyone knew this wasn't ECW. This was not the ECW that people loved. This was a fake. It had Vince's name all over it. People will not support ECW until they see it really is ECW.

It is like doing something with your father which you hold a special bond between. You do that for 8 years and then 4 years later you go to do it again. But it's just not the same. Your forcing it to be what it once was but it can never be what it once was because 4 years have passed. Mindsets have changed, emotions have changed. This is all Vince's fault do not defend this man. Vince brought it back but his power hungry self felt the company needed him. When in reality he is the cancer to ECW.

Note: I watch RAW regularly and love the WWE so don't call me a hater. This is just straigh facts.

I am going to end this angry rant with FUCK YOU VINCE.

If you guys agree please post FUCK YOU VINCE to show your support. If you disagree I would love to see you prove me wrong.

 

[gamehead]

Vince is the biggest ASSHOLE in the wrestling buisness today! I just hope TNA makes it big and runs WWE out of buisness. FUCK YOU VINCE, FUCK YOU WWE, FUCK YOU SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT! I want real fucking wrestling like TNA, ROH, and the old ECW!

 

[gamehead]

I don't understand Vince. He let Paul Heyman make ALOT of the moves in the two ECW One Night Stands but when it comes to making a show Vince pu$$y's out and wants to make all the decisions. If it was because he was to pu$$y to put on a good, hardcore, exiting show on international TV, then just make it a freaking internet webcast like Heat and velicoty.

 

[Randy Legend Killer Orton]

All of you say we should praise Vince. And we should thank Vince just for bringing ECW back. And that it is not his fault ECW is failing he is protecting his money. And that they needed more then extreme to compete with TNA.

^^^Those are all things some of you just said by the way. Well let me address the 1st thing. About having to be more then extreme to compete with TNA. Anyone who has made a comment about ECW being a hardcore only company are what I like to call "bootleg ECW followers". You guys know nothing about ECW. ECW wasn't about being just harcore. It was about giving the little guys a chance to compete. About having them sacrifice their bodies to move up in the ranks. It was about fast paced action where anything can happen anyone could kick out of a finisher and you never knew just when the match was winding down. It was about highflying action and praising the amazing athleticism of the athletes.

Most importantly ECW was about connecting with the fans. All the workers reacted to the fans absurd chants, they yelled back at the fans, and you just never knew when Spike Dudley might end up in your lap.

Now about thanking Vince. Vince knew he didn't have to protect his money. He knew he wouldn't have had to give WWE writers an ounce of control over the product. He saw the 1st One Night Stand and the insane reaction it got. You think Vince and his soap opera writers wrote that show? Hell no. We saw more then tables and chairs. We saw some great wrestling: Jericho vs Lance Storm, Mysterio vs Beniot, Super Crazy in the triple threat. Then we also got our fair share of hardcore.

Vince saw the success and immediatley booked ONSII. Did he touch this? Maybe a bit in who would win the WWE Title matches. But again a huge success led by Paul Heyman. How successful? Well Vince already booked a 3rd.

Then you Vince supporters come and say "it's not Vince's fault people won't come to the show". Yes it is. As soon as the 1st TV show aired everyone knew this wasn't ECW. This was not the ECW that people loved. This was a fake. It had Vince's name all over it. People will not support ECW until they see it really is ECW.

It is like doing something with your father which you hold a special bond between. You do that for 8 years and then 4 years later you go to do it again. But it's just not the same. Your forcing it to be what it once was but it can never be what it once was because 4 years have passed. Mindsets have changed, emotions have changed. This is all Vince's fault do not defend this man. Vince brought it back but his power hungry self felt the company needed him. When in reality he is the cancer to ECW.

Note: I watch RAW regularly and love the WWE so don't call me a hater. This is just straigh facts.

I am going to end this angry rant with FUCK YOU VINCE.

If you guys agree please post FUCK YOU VINCE to show your support. If you disagree I would love to see you prove me wrong.

Look your just another impatient ECW fan that wants to be blame Vince for what happening on ECW tv. First if u want to blame anyone you should be blaming Paul Heyman.

Here te reason why see what you dont understand is that paul heyman has more control over ECW than you think he gets to determine who comes on the show like Kelly, Kurt Angle, Test, Big Show, Mordecai/ Vampire Guy and Mike Knox/ Kellys Boyfriend.

Another reason is that those same boring soap opera storylines that u see week in and week out are partially brought to you by guess who PAUL HEYMAN.

Now before you call youself stating facts do your research and find out who is really the one you should be blaming.

 

[Soul Crusher]

I don't hate the WWE, but it's disappointing to see that "sports entertainment" dominates professional wrestling. I do enjoy some of it (Raw, at least), but I would love to see the exciting lengthy matches that only TNA and the old ECW provided on a semi-national scale, only on a much larger scale to pose a legitimate challenge to the McMahon Empire. For stifling competition and for failing to return ECW to its former glory, I say FUCK YOU VINCE!!!!!

 

[mystyk]

FUCK YOU VINCE!!! The fact that you would try and hold anECW show in front of a Smackdown audience instead of keeping it in front of an ECW only crowd shows that Vince doesn't know the first thing about promoting or building ECW.

 

[EC MF'N W]

Look your just another impatient ECW fan that wants to be blame Vince for what happening on ECW tv. First if u want to blame anyone you should be blaming Paul Heyman.

Here te reason why see what you dont understand is that paul heyman has more control over ECW than you think he gets to determine who comes on the show like Kelly, Kurt Angle, Test, Big Show, Mordecai/ Vampire Guy and Mike Knox/ Kellys Boyfriend.

Another reason is that those same boring soap opera storylines that u see week in and week out are partially brought to you by guess who PAUL HEYMAN.

Now before you call youself stating facts do your research and find out who is really the one you should be blaming.

When did I ever complain about the wrestlers at Heyman's disposal? When did I ever question the characters put on TV? When did I ever question Angle, Show, Knox, Vampire or Test? Never. Not once in that post did I attack who was on the show. Then you say about the storylines the fact is to be honest in ECW I didn't even know 1/2 the storylines. I would just watch the PPV's and an occasional TV broadcast and marvel at the wrestling abilities. I don't care about storylines! I want to see the authentic wrestling we used to see.

The things in my post I complained about was lack of fan interaction, fan reaction, match lengths, and the authenticity of the product. Then I did make a comment about how the smaller guys used to run ECW but I am not to upset with the big guys right now. So don't tell me I should research the facts. The facts are Vince won't let the get the fan interaction or reaction. He won't let it be authentic and he won't let us see the unpredictable matches we used to.

It is clear Vince is in it to make ECW a WWE show. FUCK YOU VINCE

FUCK YOU RANDY LEGEND KILLER ORTON for accusing me of saying something I did not and trying to make me look like a dumbass.

 

[Zoltaire]

I'm not really sure that Vince is somehow screwing ECW. ECW died, and now you have Zombie ECW or Ecw Light if you like. You don't want Vince to be involved well..then you have nothing. There really isn't a scenario where Paul Heymen discovers a money tree and borrows all the king's horses and all the king's men and puts ECW back together again.

Vince has sunk millions into ECW 2 or whatever you want to call it. Hence he's involved in the show, like it or not. Its just naieve to think that he makes that sort of investment without taking a hands on approach, especially knowing his character. I'm not defending what he's doing, its just silly not to expect Vince to have influence over something he owns.

 

[sonofwes20]

Well spoken....FUCK YOU VINCE

 

[Randy Legend Killer Orton]

When did I ever complain about the wrestlers at Heyman's disposal? When did I ever question the characters put on TV? When did I ever question Angle, Show, Knox, Vampire or Test? Never. Not once in that post did I attack who was on the show. Then you say about the storylines the fact is to be honest in ECW I didn't even know 1/2 the storylines. I would just watch the PPV's and an occasional TV broadcast and marvel at the wrestling abilities. I don't care about storylines! I want to see the authentic wrestling we used to see.

The things in my post I complained about was lack of fan interaction, fan reaction, match lengths, and the authenticity of the product. Then I did make a comment about how the smaller guys used to run ECW but I am not to upset with the big guys right now. So don't tell me I should research the facts. The facts are Vince won't let the get the fan interaction or reaction. He won't let it be authentic and he won't let us see the unpredictable matches we used to.

It is clear Vince is in it to make ECW a WWE show. FUCK YOU VINCE

FUCK YOU RANDY LEGEND KILLER ORTON for accusing me of saying something I did not and trying to make me look like a dumbass.

Fuck me no go fuck your boyfriend. I wasnt accusing you of anything that you said you didnt say i was simply proving that what you think you know is not true.

If you read correctly you will see that I was getting at the fact that is not Vinces fault that people wont come to the show if you read my post then you would that if you blame Vince then you would have to blame Paul just as much.

He is responsible for all of the stuff that old ECW fans dont like about the "new" ECW like the tease every week. And some of the squashes. And another thing Vince wont let them interact and react its not just him its people that own the arenas that ECW is booked at. And I read that you dont think that ECW is as authentic as it used to be, Its NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THATS THE WHOLE F'N POINT. I ts not the same ECW all together so just stop cryin about the old ECW because thats not what this "new vision is it a new direction getting rid of the old and in wit the new.

 

[TerrellCow]

I'm not really sure that Vince is somehow screwing ECW. ECW died, and now you have Zombie ECW or Ecw Light if you like. You don't want Vince to be involved well..then you have nothing. There really isn't a scenario where Paul Heymen discovers a money tree and borrows all the king's horses and all the king's men and puts ECW back together again.

Vince has sunk millions into ECW 2 or whatever you want to call it. Hence he's involved in the show, like it or not. Its just naieve to think that he makes that sort of investment without taking a hands on approach, especially knowing his character. I'm not defending what he's doing, its just silly not to expect Vince to have influence over something he owns.

Wow very well put I like this very smart post.

 

[andygizzle69]

ye i agree wiv the guy who bums randy orton (who is an actual twat) becoz the other sucks dick

 

[Soul Crusher]

Fuck me no go fuck your boyfriend. I wasnt accusing you of anything that you said you didnt say i was simply proving that what you think you know is not true.

If you read correctly you will see that I was getting at the fact that is not Vinces fault that people wont come to the show if you read my post then you would that if you blame Vince then you would have to blame Paul just as much.

He is responsible for all of the stuff that old ECW fans dont like about the "new" ECW like the tease every week. And some of the squashes. And another thing Vince wont let them interact and react its not just him its people that own the arenas that ECW is booked at. And I read that you dont think that ECW is as authentic as it used to be, Its NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THATS THE WHOLE F'N POINT. I ts not the same ECW all together so just stop cryin about the old ECW because thats not what this "new vision is it a new direction getting rid of the old and in wit the new.

I had a good post on this topic, but it was lost (grrrr....)

What I wanted to say is that people should have expected that WWECW was going to be different. Vince McMahon is in the "sports entertainment" business, so it should come as no surprise that the revival of ECW was going to be just that. But what I don't understand is the point of a third brand, under the ECW name, no less. Most of the ECW guys that signed on are being treated like scrubs, and the style being presented is not even remotely close to what ECW had to offer.

ECW is now simply WWE's third brand of "sports entertainment", plain and simple. There's really no point to it. It's not different enough from either Raw or SmackDown! to justify its existence. I don't see it lasting beyond its 13 week run on Sci-Fi.

 

[gamehead]

Fuck You Vince! Fuck You Wwe! Fuck You Sports Entertainment!
Lets Go Tna!

 

[EC MF'N W]

AndyGizzle=Randy Legend Killer Orton

But anyway. I guess you don't know how ECW was so successful. In their early stages Vince gave them the money behind the scenes to allow them to rent arena's, rings, and give out some contracts. Then he gave them the exposure on RAW. People began to watch ECW and that evolved into more and more viewers which is what he is trying to repeat. The problem is he has the say in this ECW. In the old he didn't. It was all Paul. This one is all Vince. Why else would it suck?

And don't make dumbass comments like telling me to "go fuck my boyfriend" when you know nothing about me.

 

[realblackhart]

That's true, money isn't an issue, money is more than welcomed. If Heyman had more money ECW would have never went under. Vince might have given them RAW exposure but they were popular before that. Its been said 453467309678097854907867 times. Vince shouldn't have any say.

 

[TerrellCow]

No matter how many times i give you guys the facts you still wont realize that vince is not the problem. Its been said time and time again that this not the old ECW LIG its time to move on. Again you cant recreate something as successful as the old ECW. I'm tired of telling impatient ECW fans like
EC MF'N W that you have to unerstand that it is never going to be the same it will be different and it needs time to eveolve in to what it needs to be. I used to watch the old ECW but ive learned to move on be patient dont be so quick to point the finger its just started wait. Its just like if an old TV show came back after damn near 10 year would it be the same as when it left. No.

 

[realblackhart]

But do you think Vince will let it run or let it ruin?

 

[TerrellCow]

well right now he is so deep in his invesments that i dont think he wants it to ruin but certainly seems that way.

 

[snyper99]

here is my opinion on this whole thing,i tihnk it has too much of a WWE feel to the camera work,i know that its a new ECW and it has evolved since 2000 but if it had more of a lower production value,and less scripted interviews it would be better.i would also like to see longer matches and new wrestlers that look like they fit in ECW not WWE.im going to continue watching ECW hoping that Vince will get the hint and let ECW be its own entity and let Paul Heyman do his thing

 

[extreme]

You're God Damn right EC MF'N W!! FUCK YOU VINCE!! Actually we should be thanking Vince. Thank you Vince for this watered down version of ECW. Thank you for bringing the memory of ECW back into my mind and allowing me to remember what ECW was really about. If you want people to watch ECW now, you should just open the video vault and show matches from back then, because people today don't want to see this bullsh*t ECW anymore than they want to watch you pull your pants down and make grown men kiss your ass to satisfy your homosexual fantasies.

 

[BarbwireBallz]

Come on people wake up I hope you guys knew all this shit was going to happen not in a million years will you ever see the original old school ECW back even if Vince was not running the show.Yeah I know its a let down for the fans and the wrestlers are not to happy right now all cause stupid people I had respect for that is RVD and Sabu for putting on good shows even if the show sucked but when they peform like RVD that night it leaves the fans for something to go home with and for a first time viewer in the audience to say wow I'm going to tell my friends about it...well it looks like ECW still has not find its way home the lights are on but no one is home....Let me explain this way easier I know all this shit that goes down in pro wrestling in ecw is all sports entertainment by Vince you guys hate and said that Paul sold out well this is business and hey its money and you have to make a leaving some how and working with a billionaire might has well give it a try...hell I would. You guys will understand how business works if you guys get off the computers and get jobs are go to school and try business admin like Vince did and try and succeed and build a company like Vince well I really dont think it will be has big as WWE. Its hard work when you guys realize the way of the business.

 

[ShaneRamlall]

I agree.But they need vince for money.IF they had money this would be a different story.Vince is in control of ECW.Paul heyman is the puppet.

 

[JB9988]

yea blame paul his story gets changed all the time by the **** sucker they should have vince on ecw and let the fans reaally piss hime off. you suck to shut the fuck up or you suck dick would really piss him off. He should give paul control before ecw gets fucked up.

 

[Soul Crusher]

I would have loved to see Vinnie Mac or even Paul Heyman get on the microphone and speak before that ECW crowd in Philly last night. They would have voiced their opinions loud and clear on what an atrocity this has been so far. In fact, the crowd was the only good thing about that whole show. Another Kelly striptease, another scene involving Sandman beating up a gimmick person (this time, a prude posing as a man of the cloth), and three crap matches, all involving ECW alumni putting over outsiders.

Mike Knox, Test and The Big Slow all received bad heat from the crowd (Yes, Vinnie, there is a difference between good heat and bad heat), yet all of them were put over. Instead of targeting the established audience, he's trying to go after the "sports entertainment" crowd with the new ECW which is already served by two other WWE brands. Is that good business? I don't think so.