TNA's Tag Division Sucks

[MisterRob]

I took General Disarray seriously, right up until he said "I'd much rather have Big Rob in there."

TNA's tag division isn't that bad. It certainly isn't "good", but no tag division is good anymore, especially if you don't put the time and effort into making it important and making it GOOD. I like the British Invasion. Big Rob is useless, I don't care to see him at all, but I like both Magnus and Doug Williams. They could be a great tag team, and great champions, if they weren't being overshadowed by the World Elite and were instead on their own and allowed to shine more as a tag team instead of within a stable of too many other guys. Doug Williams is the shit, they should use him more.

Beer Money should break up, they're no America's Most Wanted and it's about time Robert Roode gets more of a chance on his own to shine. I do think they need to use MCMGs better, finally give them their chance, and also add some more tag teams in the mix. The divisions grown stale because the same teams are there and nothing's fresh.

TNA does a better job then WWE, though, in putting effort and importance into the tag division. WWE has Jerishow, who are great and I absolutely love them as a tag team and as champions. But the WWE could use the tag teams they have so much better and really make the division thrive with teams like the Hart Dynasty, Cryme Tyme, Legacy and the Colons (why they split them up makes no sense to me).

In the end, TNA's tag division has fallen from what its been in the past, and the Nasty Boyz sure as hell aren't going to help!

 

[Dagger Dias]

No, just because your competition sucks, that doesn't automatically make you good. I could go play against a 3rd Grade Football team and score 30 TDs, but that doesn't mean I'm a good football player. You're logic is just silly.

No it doesn't make you good, but it makes you better.

Curry Man is one of my favorite wrestlers in TNA history. I much prefer him to Daniels.

Really? Well.... you're entitled to your opinion, bro.

Shark Boy had swine flu or something, he'll be back and better than ever.

Good, it'll be cool to have Shark Boy back. He was funny.

I don't know if I want them to, but it's going to happen. Shelley needs to cut the dead weight and pursue a singles career, kid has some potential. Sabin can be a jobber or something.

Sabin's just as good as Shelley.... they need to stay together because they are a fantastic tag team. In singles careers however.... they are almost as bad as 3D were when they went solo.

 

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I took General Disarray seriously, right up until he said "I'd much rather have Big Rob in there."

That part may have been slightly biased as I am a Big Rob mark, but most of this has been completely serious.

No it doesn't make you good, but it makes you better.

The thread wasn't about TNA's tag division being better, it was about how much it sucks. Seriously, I've said ths like a million times already. Learn to read.

Really? Well.... you're entitled to your opinion, bro.

Curry Man is more entertaining than Daniels, plain and simple. I'm sure some people would agree.

Good, it'll be cool to have Shark Boy back. He was funny.

I was disappointed we haven't had a Shrark Boy/Austin rivalry yet.

Sabin's just as good as Shelley....

Maybe in the ring, but Sabin simply has no charisma and is rather boring by himself. Shelley is where it's at.

In singles careers however.... they are almost as bad as 3D were when they went solo.

Seriously? Shelley and Sabin are both former X Division champions and have had their fair share of awesome singles matches.

 

[Dagger Dias]

That part may have been slightly biased as I am a Big Rob mark, but most of this has been completely serious.

Wait.... Big Rob has marks?



Whatever floats your boat, man.

The thread wasn't about TNA's tag division being better, it was about how much it sucks. Seriously, I've said ths like a million times already. Learn to read.

No, if you had typed it a million times then no one would have been able to count it as being a million unless they have no life.... and I don't think that TNA's tag division sucks.

Curry Man is more entertaining than Daniels, plain and simple. I'm sure some people would agree.

Daniels is a potential world champion. Curry Man wasn't.

I was disappointed we haven't had a Shrark Boy/Austin rivalry yet.

Yeah that would have been hilarious.

Seriously? Shelley and Sabin are both former X Division champions and have had their fair share of awesome singles matches.

Yeah, with their partner at ringside. That's what tag teams do in singles matches.

I'm willing to debate this further if you still disagree.

 

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Wait.... Big Rob has marks?



Whatever floats your boat, man.

He has a great look, isn't as awful in the ring as some people have said, and can really throw people around it there and make it look like it hurts. I'd say he has the potential to be at least as good as Batista.

No, if you had typed it a million times then no one would have been able to count it as being a million unless they have no life....

Witty comeback.

and I don't think that TNA's tag division sucks.

But your logic is completely wrong. Saying that TNA's tag division doesn't suck because it is better than WWE's isn't a reason. It's just a different level of sucking.

Daniels is a potential world champion. Curry Man wasn't.

Didn't know that was the criteria for entertaining wrestlers. Sting was champion, that doesn't mean he's more exciting than someone like Amazing Red.

Yeah that would have been hilarious.

It woulda been epic.

Yeah, with their partner at ringside. That's what tag teams do in singles matches.

Of course, I'm sure that Shelley would be completely lost if he didn't have Sabin at ringside watching over him. That makes perfect sense.

I'm willing to debate this further if you still disagree.

Seems rather pointless as you obviously aren't going to stray from your flawed views.

 

[Dagger Dias]

He has a great look, isn't as awful in the ring as some people have said, and can really throw people around it there and make it look like it hurts. I'd say he has the potential to be at least as good as Batista.

He'll never be as good as Batista.

Witty comeback.

Thank you. I try.

But your logic is completely wrong. Saying that TNA's tag division doesn't suck because it is better than WWE's isn't a reason. It's just a different level of sucking.

That's not what I said though. It doesn't suck because I still find it entertaining. It isn't as good as it was a year ago, but it doesn't necessarily suck.

Didn't know that was the criteria for entertaining wrestlers. Sting was champion, that doesn't mean he's more exciting than someone like Amazing Red.

Sting's not more exciting than Amazing Red? Red does some extraordinary things in the ring, and that does entertain.... but have you heard Sting on the mic? He's still got it. He's not THAT bad in the ring either considering he's old now.

It woulda been epic.

Absolutely. The best ever VS a parody of him. I'd pay to watch that (and I'm actually not being sarcastic here.)

Of course, I'm sure that Shelley would be completely lost if he didn't have Sabin at ringside watching over him. That makes perfect sense.

He had Sabin at ringside during the matches for his entire X Division reign.

Seems rather pointless as you obviously aren't going to stray from your flawed views.

If it was pointless you wouldn't have taken up on my offer to debate further.

 

[TLC]

Sabin's just as good as Shelley.... they need to stay together because they are a fantastic tag team. In singles careers however.... they are almost as bad as 3D were when they went solo.

Sorry but what are you on, Chris Sabin and Alex Shelley were solo for a long time before joining together, Chris Sabin was a multi time X division champion, he was probably the best wrestler in there. Shelley is awesome as well, he can do great things whether singles or tag teams. So you saying there almost as bad Team 3D when they split up is completely wrong.

 

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He'll never be as good as Batista.

Why not? Batista is a main eventer for slamming people around and yelling. It's not a tough job, but he does a damn fine job. I'm sure Rob could do that. Plus, the fact that he's British gives him extra heat.

That's not what I said though. It doesn't suck because I still find it entertaining. It isn't as good as it was a year ago, but it doesn't necessarily suck.

Fair point, I'll settle for large downgrade.

Sting's not more exciting than Amazing Red? Red does some extraordinary things in the ring, and that does entertain.... but have you heard Sting on the mic? He's still got it. He's not THAT bad in the ring either considering he's old now.

If you'd rather watch Sting's most recent title reign than Amazing Red at the moment than you are a crazy man indeed.

Absolutely. The best ever VS a parody of him. I'd pay to watch that (and I'm actually not being sarcastic here.)

Why would you ever dare me sarcastic during a debate as intense as this one?

He had Sabin at ringside during the matches for his entire X Division reign.

So? What effect did that have on any of his matches? I'm going to go with none at all.

If it was pointless you wouldn't have taken up on my offer to debate further.

I live an empty life.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Why not? Batista is a main eventer for slamming people around and yelling. It's not a tough job, but he does a damn fine job. I'm sure Rob could do that. Plus, the fact that he's British gives him extra heat.

There's one thing missing. Batista was over and still is.... Rob isn't.

If you'd rather watch Sting's most recent title reign than Amazing Red at the moment than you are a crazy man indeed.

Red's awful at promos. Promos are just as important as in ring ability, and Sting's promos are epic compared to Red's. Heck.... they are great when compared to most of the TNA roster.

I live an empty life.

Maybe. It's because of things like that, that i was expecting a little better than this, there wasn't much for me to answer. Remember that epic feud we had over who the best Knockout was? Let's keep this debate going and see if we can pull of something as entertaining as that again.

 

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There's one thing missing. Batista was over and still is.... Rob isn't.

Is that his fault? He has been booked in like one match. The ball's in TNA's court at the moment.

Red's awful at promos. Promos are just as important as in ring ability, and Sting's promos are epic compared to Red's. Heck.... they are great when compared to most of the TNA roster.

I don't recall Red cutting any promos recently, so not sure what you're going by. The point is, just because someone is a main eventer that doesn't automatically make them more entertaining.

Maybe. It's because of things like that, that i was expecting a little better than this, there wasn't much for me to answer.

You could've defended your ridiculous statement about Shelley's singles career only working because Sabin was at ringside for his matches.

Remember that epic feud we had over who the best Knockout was? Let's keep this debate going and see if we can pull of something as entertaining as that again.

That was rather awful and stupid, but aren't most debates.

I suppose I should get this thread somewhat back on the right track though. TNA needs some new tag teams, I think that most would agree. What are your choices?

Hernandez and Morgan seems logical to me. They can't really get into the main event at the moment because AJ is the champ, so they need something to do. They already have a sort of partnership, why not make a full fledged tag team out of them?

Not sure if Stevie and Raven are a tag team at the moment either, once again more like partners, but they should join the tag division and have some sick hardcore matches, I'm sure they can do that.

Those were not very creative choices by me at all, now were they? Someone come up with some better options.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Is that his fault? He has been booked in like one match. The ball's in TNA's court at the moment.

Maybe they felt he did so bad in that one match that they already feel he blew it? Look at Kizarny. That happened to him on Smackdown, these things happen unfortunately.

I don't recall Red cutting any promos recently, so not sure what you're going by. The point is, just because someone is a main eventer that doesn't automatically make them more entertaining.

He hasn't cut any because he is so bad at them. They had to bring in Don West to do his talking for him. Main eventing had nothing to do with it, Sting's just a much better promo cutter.

You could've defended your ridiculous statement about Shelley's singles career only working because Sabin was at ringside for his matches.

Ok, let's talk about that then. Shelley's single career only working because Sabin was ringside? Not quite what I meant. Sabin WAS ringside during Shelley's whole X Division title reign. I wasn't saying that Sabin would follow Shelley to his matches if they went solo. That's something entirely different.

That was rather awful and stupid, but aren't most debates.

Depends, some can be pretty good.

I suppose I should get this thread somewhat back on the right track though. TNA needs some new tag teams, I think that most would agree. What are your choices?

They don't really have many teams that I think they could put together, or that I would want to see put together. Lethal Consequences could get back together.... although I didn't like them much, they are better as single's wrestlers.

Hernandez and Morgan seems logical to me. They can't really get into the main event at the moment because AJ is the champ, so they need something to do. They already have a sort of partnership, why not make a full fledged tag team out of them?

Yeah, that'd make a good team. I think that they would be very dominant in the tag team division and whoever beats them could get more over through that.

Not sure if Stevie and Raven are a tag team at the moment either, once again more like partners, but they should join the tag division and have some sick hardcore matches, I'm sure they can do that.

That could be interesting for a match or two, but I doubt anyone would buy them as threats to the tag team titles at all. They would probably win a couple of matches then job to whoever the tag team champions are at the time.

Those were not very creative choices by me at all, now were they? Someone come up with some better options.

There aren't many other options unless you start putting old teams back together, and I'm pretty sure no one wants to see that because those teams have already been split up so that one or both of the members can pursue a solo career.

 

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Maybe they felt he did so bad in that one match that they already feel he blew it? Look at Kizarny. That happened to him on Smackdown, these things happen unfortunately.

He wasn't given an oppourtunity, a 15 second match against Hernadez on PPV? I reckon he's at least better than Jesse Neal.

He hasn't cut any because he is so bad at them. They had to bring in Don West to do his talking for him. Main eventing had nothing to do with it, Sting's just a much better promo cutter.

Once again, assumptions. "Terry sucks in the ring, Red sucks on the mic, etc." Unless I see people doing these things, I have no comment.

Ok, let's talk about that then. Shelley's single career only working because Sabin was ringside? Not quite what I meant. Sabin WAS ringside during Shelley's whole X Division title reign. I wasn't saying that Sabin would follow Shelley to his matches if they went solo. That's something entirely different.

What was the point of bringing it up then? Shelley should cut the fat and soar into the stratosphere, or any other sphere he chooses.

They don't really have many teams that I think they could put together, or that I would want to see put together. Lethal Consequences could get back together.... although I didn't like them much, they are better as single's wrestlers.

Lethan and Consequences are both below jobber level at this point, they're rather pointless.

Yeah, that'd make a good team. I think that they would be very dominant in the tag team division and whoever beats them could get more over through that.

A Morgan/Hernandez feud coming out of that would be quite interesting as well. Sure, the loser would likely be going nowhere, but it'd do wonders for the winner.

That could be interesting for a match or two, but I doubt anyone would buy them as threats to the tag team titles at all. They would probably win a couple of matches then job to whoever the tag team champions are at the time.

They can work hardcore matches though, which is the key to success is TNA. If you are awesome in hardcore matches and can throw around fire and shit, you'll stick around.

There aren't many other options unless you start putting old teams back together, and I'm pretty sure no one wants to see that because those teams have already been split up so that one or both of the members can pursue a solo career.

You didn't come up with anything? Disappointing. I would've accepted Don West and JB.

 

[Dagger Dias]

He wasn't given an oppourtunity, a 15 second match against Hernadez on PPV? I reckon he's at least better than Jesse Neal.

Anybody's better than Jesse Neal. I'm already calling it that his new character is going to flop.

Once again, assumptions. "Terry sucks in the ring, Red sucks on the mic, etc." Unless I see people doing these things, I have no comment.

Red's been on the mic a few times, and Terry's been in the ring a few times. They both sucked in their respective attempts. Red, at least can do great things in the ring. He just sucks on the mic. Terry can't do either yet.

What was the point of bringing it up then? Shelley should cut the fat and soar into the stratosphere, or any other sphere he chooses.

I brought it up because his title reign was so BAD that he had to have Sabin with him. MCMG are a tag team that does not need to split up. They are great as a team and as single's.... not so great.

Lethan and Consequences are both below jobber level at this point, they're rather pointless.

Not really. They are still relevant and if TNA had to, they would bring this team back together. Lethal is amusing in his Macho Man gimmick, and Creed looked like a great contendor for the X Division title for a while.

A Morgan/Hernandez feud coming out of that would be quite interesting as well. Sure, the loser would likely be going nowhere, but it'd do wonders for the winner.

Morgan and Abyss both came out far better off after their feud. It would help both Morgan and Hernandez if this happens between them as well.

They can work hardcore matches though, which is the key to success is TNA. If you are awesome in hardcore matches and can throw around fire and shit, you'll stick around.

No it's not. This is TNA, not oldschool ECW.

You didn't come up with anything? Disappointing. I would've accepted Don West and JB.

AS A TAG TEAM? If you're going for humor points on that one, more power to you. But the thought of actually thought of putting them as a real tag team? Not even Russo could think of something that bizarre. I guess they'd call themselves "The weird announcers" while Tenay and Taz fail to put them over? Not a chance.

 

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Anybody's better than Jesse Neal. I'm already calling it that his new character is going to flop.

Meh, I kind of like him. No reason he should be pushed over Rob though. I get that he's a marine, so what? He wil flop though, simply because he's involved with Rhino.

Red's been on the mic a few times, and Terry's been in the ring a few times. They both sucked in their respective attempts. Red, at least can do great things in the ring. He just sucks on the mic. Terry can't do either yet.

I don't recall too much. You don't need to be good on the mic when you have West on you side though, dude's a legend. I still stand by my statement that I find Red more entertaining than Sting though.

I brought it up because his title reign was so BAD that he had to have Sabin with him. MCMG are a tag team that does not need to split up. They are great as a team and as single's.... not so great.

What? How does the fact that Sabin was with him indicate his title reign was bad? That doesn't make any sense. Sure, it may not have been great, but he had a great match with Sabin and some other decent stuff. You have to remember, that was a rather dark time for the X-Division. A time that including EY winning the belt and being stripped of it for virtually no reason. Stuff with Suicide and Homicide as well, pretty awful.

Not really. They are still relevant and if TNA had to, they would bring this team back together. Lethal is amusing in his Macho Man gimmick, and Creed looked like a great contendor for the X Division title for a while.

Lethal lost to an overweight Jim Neihardt in like 2 minutes. Creed hasn't been seen forever, and he's clearly a jobber. He was legit awhile ago, but that failed. They are simply stupid, comedy acts at the moment.

Morgan and Abyss both came out far better off after their feud. It would help both Morgan and Hernandez if this happens between them as well.

Indeed they did. That was an awesome tag team, maybe they should get back together.

No it's not. This is TNA, not oldschool ECW.

TNA has been cutting down on them as of late, but don't let that fool you. They get rock hard over gimmick matches.

AS A TAG TEAM? If you're going for humor points on that one, more power to you. But the thought of actually thought of putting them as a real tag team? Not even Russo could think of something that bizarre. I guess they'd call themselves "The weird announcers" while Tenay and Taz fail to put them over? Not a chance.

It'd be entertaining. Sure, they may not be great in the ring, but referees have been in matches in TNA before and have done somewhat decent things. Just look at the former legend Shane Sewall. He was nearly Hogan in there. If Micheal Cole and Lawler can get title shots, it wouldn't hurt to give them to West and JB.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Meh, I kind of like him. No reason he should be pushed over Rob though. I get that he's a marine, so what? He wil flop though, simply because he's involved with Rhino.

Yeah, but Rhino's better than Rob.

I don't recall too much. You don't need to be good on the mic when you have West on you side though, dude's a legend. I still stand by my statement that I find Red more entertaining than Sting though.

So you like the guy who does cool spots in the ring better than a living legend? Red only wins in the in-ring ability department. String destroys him anywhere else. Needing Don West to do your talking for you isn't a good thing.

What? How does the fact that Sabin was with him indicate his title reign was bad?

It was bad because he had to get his tag team partner to help him. They are better off as a team, that reign felt like both of them were champion.

he had a great match with Sabin and some other decent stuff.

Oh, you mean the one where they barely did anything just to make Foley mad? Yep.... that's even better than HBK/Taker at Wrestlemania 25! Not.

You have to remember, that was a rather dark time for the X-Division. A time that including EY winning the belt and being stripped of it for virtually no reason. Stuff with Suicide and Homicide as well, pretty awful.

Eric's win and title strip was because they HAD to get it off of Sheik when they realized that it was a BIG mistake to let Sheik go over Creed at Bound For Glory.

Lethal lost to an overweight Jim Neihardt in like 2 minutes. Creed hasn't been seen forever, and he's clearly a jobber. He was legit awhile ago, but that failed. They are simply stupid, comedy acts at the moment.

Lethal is calling out legends, it helps him to be associated with them. I do disagree with the loss against Neidhart but it was way better than garbage like his feud with Dutt. He will come off better after doing this whole calling out of legends thing. As for Creed being MIA.... maybe he's been really sick or something, he threw up in the ring.

Indeed they did. That was an awesome tag team, maybe they should get back together.

No because they are involved in better feuds right now.

TNA has been cutting down on them as of late, but don't let that fool you. They get rock hard over gimmick matches.

That doesn't mean it is the key to success in TNA. If it was then Abyss would have had longer reigns with world title than Cena.

It'd be entertaining. Sure, they may not be great in the ring, but referees have been in matches in TNA before and have done somewhat decent things. Just look at the former legend Shane Sewall. He was nearly Hogan in there. If Micheal Cole and Lawler can get title shots, it wouldn't hurt to give them to West and JB.

Shane Sewall was something that most of us have tried to forget. I can't believe you are serious about West and JB. You claim that the tag division sucks NOW and yet you want to make a tag team out of "a former announcer who is now the merchandising guy" (West) and the interview man (JB) ???? That would be like putting Josh Matthews and some guy from WWEShop.com together in a tag team.

You have yet to prove to me why TNA's tag division sucks, especially after the WEST & JB team suggestion.

 

[Super Crazy]

Sorry but what are you on, Chris Sabin and Alex Shelley were solo for a long time before joining together, Chris Sabin was a multi time X division champion, he was probably the best wrestler in there. Shelley is awesome as well, he can do great things whether singles or tag teams. So you saying there almost as bad Team 3D when they split up is completely wrong.

Just to throw my two cents in here, and I don't care if this is spam, but I'll try to make it not spam. Sabin had a pretty decent singles career before going on to team with Shelley. He's had quite a few X Division title reigns, and in my opinion, he's one of the unsung heroes of when TNA was being put on the map by that division.

And I wouldn't go as far as to say the Tag Division sucks right now. They are just in lack of teams right now. Plus the division has grown a llittle stale as most of the focus as been on Beer Money, but I believe 2010 will be the year of the Guns, so I'm hoping they get the belts at Final Resolution or sometime after and have a fairly lengthy run with them in the new year.

 

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Yeah, but Rhino's better than Rob.

Rhino is shit. Rob may or may not be shit, we don't know yet.

So you like the guy who does cool spots in the ring better than a living legend? Red only wins in the in-ring ability department. String destroys him anywhere else. Needing Don West to do your talking for you isn't a good thing.

Yes. Isn't the in ring part at least half of the equation? Plus, Sting is old, his title reign sucked, he disappears for months at a time, and he's simply there off of past reputation, which is fine, but doens't make him entertaining.

It was bad because he had to get his tag team partner to help him.

So? Loads of wrestlers use managers/other friends to help them win matches.

They are better off as a team, that reign felt like both of them were champion.

Except for the part where they had a match against each other.

Oh, you mean the one where they barely did anything just to make Foley mad? Yep.... that's even better than HBK/Taker at Wrestlemania 25! Not.

No, the one of PPV that was actually quite good and got a decent amount of praise. I think it may have been Genesis, but I'm not sure.

Eric's win and title strip was because they HAD to get it off of Sheik when they realized that it was a BIG mistake to let Sheik go over Creed at Bound For Glory.

Why not give it back to Sheik then? And why kill it with Suicide and Homicide? And why get rid of Petey Williams? Like I said, dark days for the tag division.

Lethal is calling out legends, it helps him to be associated with them. I do disagree with the loss against Neidhart but it was way better than garbage like his feud with Dutt. He will come off better after doing this whole calling out of legends thing. As for Creed being MIA.... maybe he's been really sick or something, he threw up in the ring.

Lethal lost like 3 weeks ago and hasn't been seen since. He literally just stole a former wrestlers gimmick, which is just lazy and why he'll never do much of anything. I also don't see how getting killed by a 60 year old fat man is better than the Dutt feud, even though it was shit.

Also, Creed should eat some soup.

No because they are involved in better feuds right now.

I think the fact that they've been there and done that would be a better reason actually. Morgan's feud is ok, I guess, but I really couldn't give 2 shits. And Abyss has been feuding with Stevie for like a decade at this point.

That doesn't mean it is the key to success in TNA. If it was then Abyss would have had longer reigns with world title than Cena.

The mere fact that Abyss had the World Title shows how important it is.

Shane Sewall was something that most of us have tried to forget. I can't believe you are serious about West and JB. You claim that the tag division sucks NOW and yet you want to make a tag team out of "a former announcer who is now the merchandising guy" (West) and the interview man (JB) ???? That would be like putting Josh Matthews and some guy from WWEShop.com together in a tag team.

To be fair, West is a manager as well, giving him up close scouting info. Plus, he had great insight as an announcer for years. JB has been hanging around with Foley, you don't think he's taught him some moves? They would cursh Matthews and Saxton.

You have yet to prove to me why TNA's tag division sucks, especially after the WEST & JB team suggestion.

Desparate times call for desparate measures. The tag division needs an entertaining shot in the arm, which West and JB would provide. I'd absolutely love to see that team.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Rhino is shit. Rob may or may not be shit, we don't know yet.

Rhino's better than half the roster of TNA when used correctly. I don't quite see that with Rob.

Yes. Isn't the in ring part at least half of the equation? Plus, Sting is old, his title reign sucked, he disappears for months at a time, and he's simply there off of past reputation, which is fine, but doens't make him entertaining.

Yes, half of the equation. Being good on the mic is important too. What is Red doing to make anyone CARE about the cool spots he does in the ring? Hey, let's root for this guy just because the merchandise man tells you to when the champion can't convince you himself? I actually liked Sting's last reign. It wasn't amazing, but there have been worse. It's probably the last one he'll ever have.

So? Loads of wrestlers use managers/other friends to help them win matches.

They do, but the ones who do it without one come off looking better.

Except for the part where they had a match against each other.

That can barely be called a match though.

No, the one of PPV that was actually quite good and got a decent amount of praise. I think it may have been Genesis, but I'm not sure.

The only thing I remember about Genesis was thinking "Why is Team 3D (of all people) in the world title match?".

Why not give it back to Sheik then? And why kill it with Suicide and Homicide? And why get rid of Petey Williams? Like I said, dark days for the tag division.

Petey Williams I'll give you.... but not Sheik. That title reign was terrible. Suicide and Homicide could have had a decent feud, TNA just did not capitalize on it.

Lethal lost like 3 weeks ago and hasn't been seen since. He literally just stole a former wrestlers gimmick, which is just lazy and why he'll never do much of anything.

If it he had not "stolen" that gimmick, then he would not be over today. He was boring back then.

I also don't see how getting killed by a 60 year old fat man is better than the Dutt feud, even though it was shit.

Worst feud of TNA history. I'd rather see Morasca and Sharmell again than sit through anything remotely similar to Dutt/Lethal.

Also, Creed should eat some soup.

Shouldn't say things like that. The man might really be sick.

I think the fact that they've been there and done that would be a better reason actually. Morgan's feud is ok, I guess, but I really couldn't give 2 shits. And Abyss has been feuding with Stevie for like a decade at this point.

You don't see the Abyss/Stevie feud as better? They are taking something that was already good and making it better. A similar argument can be made for revisiting Morgan/Abyss but I think Abyss/Stevie is far more entertaining.

The mere fact that Abyss had the World Title shows how important it is.

ONE TIME. He has done barely anything since then but more hardcore matches. The multi-time TNA World Champions do more than that.

To be fair, West is a manager as well, giving him up close scouting info. Plus, he had great insight as an announcer for years. JB has been hanging around with Foley, you don't think he's taught him some moves?

West is only a manager because Taz is a better announcer.... and since when did being an announcer mean you can also be in a tag team? He's just a merchandise man and former announcer who is helping a guy who can't work the mic get over.

They would cursh Matthews and Saxton.

Matthews and Saxton? You're gonna pair THEM up as a tag team now?

Desparate times call for desparate measures. The tag division needs an entertaining shot in the arm, which West and JB would provide. I'd absolutely love to see that team.

Despratate times don't call for making a problem worse. No one, and I mean NO ONE would watch a tag division with a team in it made up of a merchandise man and an interviewer.

 

[gd]

Rhino's better than half the roster of TNA when used correctly. I don't quite see that with Rob.

No, Rhino is garbage. There's no need for him. He's a stubby little annoying guy that is just there. At least Rob may or may not have potential.

Yes, half of the equation. Being good on the mic is important too. What is Red doing to make anyone CARE about the cool spots he does in the ring? Hey, let's root for this guy just because the merchandise man tells you to when the champion can't convince you himself? I actually liked Sting's last reign. It wasn't amazing, but there have been worse. It's probably the last one he'll ever have.

Red is way over with the crowd, so obviously people care. I know I did. Also, I can't take anyone who didn't think Sting's title reign was shit seriously. It was just awful. Was he in the MEM or not? Was he face or heel? Was he even alive? Foley's promo on him was pretty cool though.

They do, but the ones who do it without one come off looking better.

Not really. Do you think Yoko looked bad because he had a manager? Nope.

The only thing I remember about Genesis was thinking "Why is Team 3D (of all people) in the world title match?".

I thought that was a different PPV. Wasn't Genesis the one with Angle/Jarrett that everyone loved? If so, that's the one with Sabin/Shelley. I think. Look it up or something.

Petey Williams I'll give you.... but not Sheik. That title reign was terrible. Suicide and Homicide could have had a decent feud, TNA just did not capitalize on it.

Sheik's was pretty awful, I just remember some rambling in a foreign language. The whole Suicide/Homicide feud could've been epic. Guns and pills should have been involved.

If it he had not "stolen" that gimmick, then he would not be over today. He was boring back then.

He's rather entertaining, but is a joke and a disgrace. TNA would never put Fake Randy Savage anywhere near the main event.

Worst feud of TNA history. I'd rather see Morasca and Sharmell again than sit through anything remotely similar to Dutt/Lethal.

It was prett bad, but the ladder match could've been worse. Plus, Val is kinda hot.

Shouldn't say things like that. The man might really be sick.

Really? Haven't heard about anything, is it teh swine?

You don't see the Abyss/Stevie feud as better? They are taking something that was already good and making it better. A similar argument can be made for revisiting Morgan/Abyss but I think Abyss/Stevie is far more entertaining.

Abyss/Stevie has gone on too long. Seriously, just end it now. The problem is there isn't anything else for Abyss to do though. I'd like to see a feud with Lashley.

ONE TIME. He has done barely anything since then but more hardcore matches. The multi-time TNA World Champions do more than that.

Trust me, TNA is all about hardcore matches. They even have a PPV that's all cage matches.

West is only a manager because Taz is a better announcer....

No, no, no, no, no. There is no way in hell that Taz is a better announcer than heel West, no way at all. I don't see how anyone could consider that. West was a part of the show that I really looked forward to and genuinely enjoyed each and every week. I could count on him for at least a few laughs each and every Thursday. Taz is boring as hell and says nothing of consequences. Just because he came in from the WWE, they put him as announcer. He abandoned Joe's mentor role far too quickly.

and since when did being an announcer mean you can also be in a tag team? He's just a merchandise man and former announcer who is helping a guy who can't work the mic get over.

West/JB would be epic.

Matthews and Saxton? You're gonna pair THEM up as a tag team now?

Hypothetically. WWE wouldn't be smart enough to do so though.

Despratate times don't call for making a problem worse. No one, and I mean NO ONE would watch a tag division with a team in it made up of a merchandise man and an interviewer.

Rather watch that than the fucking Dudleys.

 

[Dagger Dias]

No, Rhino is garbage. There's no need for him. He's a stubby little annoying guy that is just there. At least Rob may or may not have potential.

Rhino used to be be really good. Rob at his best (now or later) will never top what Rhino once was.

Red is way over with the crowd, so obviously people care. I know I did.

Red's over with the crowd but he would be twice as over (if not more) if he could work the mic too. In fact, if he was good on the mic he would be a candidate for a LONG reign with the X Division title.

Also, I can't take anyone who didn't think Sting's title reign was shit seriously.

I can't take anyone seriously who has a sig like yours.

It was just awful. Was he in the MEM or not? Was he face or heel? Was he even alive? Foley's promo on him was pretty cool though.

Making you wonder if he was on the same side as the MEM or not and if he was truly a face or a heel, are both signs of a good tweener champion. I know the man is old, but it was a good reign.

Not really. Do you think Yoko looked bad because he had a manager? Nope.

No, Yoko looked bad because he was awful.

I thought that was a different PPV. Wasn't Genesis the one with Angle/Jarrett that everyone loved? If so, that's the one with Sabin/Shelley. I think. Look it up or something.

The fact that neither of us remembers tells you something about that match.

Sheik's was pretty awful, I just remember some rambling in a foreign language. The whole Suicide/Homicide feud could've been epic. Guns and pills should have been involved.

Guns as in the MCMG? No, they are one of the reasons that TNA's tag team division does NOT suck. (See? Now we're back on topic.)

He's rather entertaining, but is a joke and a disgrace. TNA would never put Fake Randy Savage anywhere near the main event.

I'm not saying Lethal will main event. He's doing good just where he is. When it's time for him to main event, he will get a better gimmick. Or a heel turn maybe?

It was prett bad, but the ladder match could've been worse. Plus, Val is kinda hot.

Val was the only good thing about what was otherwise, the worst feud in TNA history. I'm so thankful that Dutt is gone.

Really? Haven't heard about anything, is it teh swine?

Who knows.

Abyss/Stevie has gone on too long. Seriously, just end it now. The problem is there isn't anything else for Abyss to do though. I'd like to see a feud with Lashley.

There isn't? Oh, but you said that hardcore = success in TNA. By your logic he should be the one feuding with AJ rather than Daniels. I like the Steivie feud, Lashley would be interesting tough so I'll give you that one.

Trust me, TNA is all about hardcore matches. They even have a PPV that's all cage matches.

ONE that's all cage matches. Are you sure you're talking about TNA and not oldschool ECW?

No, no, no, no, no. There is no way in hell that Taz is a better announcer than heel West, no way at all. I don't see how anyone could consider that. West was a part of the show that I really looked forward to and genuinely enjoyed each and every week. I could count on him for at least a few laughs each and every Thursday. Taz is boring as hell and says nothing of consequences. Just because he came in from the WWE, they put him as announcer. He abandoned Joe's mentor role far too quickly.

If Taz isn't a better announcer then they wouldn't have hired him to replace West. The Joe's mentor thing was just a way to turn Joe heel and get Taz introduced.

Hypothetically. WWE wouldn't be smart enough to do so though.

Exactly, because a team made up of announcers and interviewers would lose to JeriShow even if Jericho sneezed on them.

Rather watch that than the fucking Dudleys.

You'd rather see a team that shouldn't even exist, instead of the tag team who has won more titles than anyone in wrestling history? I still say you're making the problem worse, and still haven't convinced me why the tag division "sucks" now.

 

[Mark78]

I think both TNA/WWE's missing out on having a true power team. A LOD type of tag team minus the paint. I wish TNA would sign the Skullkrushers and Dark City Fight Club. Beer Money needs a hardcore team to feud with. TNA should look at getting a the Briscoes before WWE igns them. Or maybe go ahead a sign Kevin Steen and pair him with Kenny Omega. I would want Generico in the X divison. I think the Young Bucks will be signed soon.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I used to be really high on TNA's tag team scene, but my interest has really cooled off over the past few months. I'm going to make a bold statement and say that I believe the WWE's tag team scene is better than TNA's at this point. I know, I know it sounds insane on the surface.

I'm enjoying where the DX/JeriShow feud has been going. While I'm pretty sure DX will ultimately win, I'm still enjoying it. Now, while DX and JeriShow comprise pretty much the entire relevant aspects of the WWE tag division at this point, I still care more about what's happening with that one thing than everything TNA has going on put together in their tag team division.

 

[Dum Dum Dudley]

I think it sucks at the moment because in some ways, they're doing what WWE does by pairing singles guys up but in TNA that exempts them from criticism.
Steiner/Booker, MCMG, Beer Money, Lethal Consequences. ALL singles competitors teamed up. And in some cases it works. Beer Money are entertaining and MCMG are pretty good in the ring but Beer Money are lacking a decent team to feud with apart from the British Invasion and TNA refuse to let MCMG win the belts. So whats the solution? Go digging in the X-Division and pair some people up? Maybe Rhino/Jesse Neal will work but who knows?

Overall, the teams are far better than WWE's as i refuse to count Jeri-show and DX as teams because come the Rumble, they will go their seperate ways. The only real tag teams in WWE are Cryme Tyme, Hart Dynasty and Legacy but Cryme Tyme face Hart Dynasty every other week and Legacy can be abnsent on RAW for a couple of weeks at a time.
I enjoy watching MCMG and Beer Money, and to an extent British Invasion and Team 3D but it feels tired and bored. I've sat and watched some combination of those 4 teams since Destination X to BFG and by BFG it became stale. That match was good but i felt i had seen these guys go at it too long. Some new teams would be nice but i don't see them appearing anytime soon.

 

[NSL]

Steiner/Booker, MCMG, Beer Money, Lethal Consequences. ALL singles competitors teamed up.

Those aren't all randomly thrown together teams...Steiner and Booker were both in the MEM, and are among the greatest tag wrestlers in history. There was a story, and a reason, to team them up, and it worked, if even for just a short time.

The Machine Guns are both from Detroit, and as loose of a reason as it is, why not? It's more of a story than the WWE ever gives a tag team. Did you see Primo and Bourne team up last night?

Beer Money teamed up for the same reason Booker and Steiner did. They're just great tag team wrestlers, and they had the perfect name for them. It's simple, but it worked, didn't it?

Lethal Consequences I really have no defense for, but they still have a cool name, and they could have been a relevant tag team, if given the chance.

 

[gd]

Rhino used to be be really good. Rob at his best (now or later) will never top what Rhino once was.

When was Rhino really good? He's more or less been the same wrestler his whole career.

Red's over with the crowd but he would be twice as over (if not more) if he could work the mic too. In fact, if he was good on the mic he would be a candidate for a LONG reign with the X Division title.

Obviously, that wasn't my argument though, was it? I'd say his current reign has been decently long as well, even though he's never on TV. That's something TNA should really work on.

I can't take anyone seriously who has a sig like yours.

Why, what's wrong with it?

Making you wonder if he was on the same side as the MEM or not and if he was truly a face or a heel, are both signs of a good tweener champion. I know the man is old, but it was a good reign.

It was just plain stupid. The fans didn't know whether or not they should cheer for him and he didn't have one decent feud while he was champ. Maybe against Kurt, but the whole things was just so confusing and handled completely wrong.

No, Yoko looked bad because he was awful.

Yoko was a multi time WWF Champion and one of the most athletic big men in the history of wrestling.

The fact that neither of us remembers tells you something about that match.

No, it's because all of TNA's PPV's sound the same to me. I actually found the Genesis 09 card, and most of the matches can help me illustrate a point. Let's review it, shall we?

EY and LAX v. Jimmy Rave, Sonjay Dutt, and Kyoshi - This doesn't really illustrate a point, except for how random is this match? Definetly don't remember it.

Shelley v. Sabin - This match did happen, it was 16 minutes long and it was quite good. It was also the finals of the X Division tourney that occured after EY was stripped of the title. This was the beginning of a bright spot in a shit period for the X Division, and it occured with Shelley as champ.

Shane Sewell v. Sheik I told you Sewell was a superstar, he won this match as well. If they woluda stuck with him, he could've been at Hulk level by now.


BMI v. LC v. Morgan/Abyss - Case of overusing the tag teams so they become stale.

Random multi person KO match, won by ODB - Taylor Wilde was also in this match, along with Rhaka Khan among others. The KO division is one that has actually really improved, judging by this match.

Angle v. Jarrett - Told you I remembered this match, it was a classic, at least by JJ standards.

Sting v. Rhino - 8 minute title match that wasn't even the main event. It was pure shit, just as Rhino is and Sting's title reign was.

Foley, Styles, and Devon v. Steiner, Booker, and Cute Kip - Foley's debut match I believe. Anyway, if Cute Kip can main event a PPV, why can't West and JB wrestle?

Guns as in the MCMG? No, they are one of the reasons that TNA's tag team division does NOT suck. (See? Now we're back on topic.)

I meant Guns as in Homicide and Suicide's odd ring names.

I'm not saying Lethal will main event. He's doing good just where he is. When it's time for him to main event, he will get a better gimmick. Or a heel turn maybe?

No, he's a comedy jobber 5 lyfe, worse than Santino.

Val was the only good thing about what was otherwise, the worst feud in TNA history. I'm so thankful that Dutt is gone.

Dutt was ok, the feud was ok too. At leas it sorta made some sense. Just went on too long.

Who knows.

A better question is "Who cares?"

There isn't? Oh, but you said that hardcore = success in TNA. By your logic he should be the one feuding with AJ rather than Daniels. I like the Steivie feud, Lashley would be interesting tough so I'll give you that one.

Hardcore=You'll be around for awhile and be pushed more than you deserve. Abyss is rather shit, but he still got a World Title. Foley is well past his prime, but still got a world title.

ONE that's all cage matches. Are you sure you're talking about TNA and not oldschool ECW?

Most PPV's are over gimmicky, at least in the past they were. Gotta give TNA credit, they've been moving away from that recently.

If Taz isn't a better announcer then they wouldn't have hired him to replace West. The Joe's mentor thing was just a way to turn Joe heel and get Taz introduced.

West is better than Taz, did you watch TNA when West was commentator? He was actually entertaining. Just because TNA did something, doesn't mean their opinion is right, you damn shareholder.

Exactly, because a team made up of announcers and interviewers would lose to JeriShow even if Jericho sneezed on them.

No one has nostrils that powerful.

You'd rather see a team that shouldn't even exist, instead of the tag team who has won more titles than anyone in wrestling history? I still say you're making the problem worse, and still haven't convinced me why the tag division "sucks" now.

Yes, I'd rather watch a West/JB match than a 3D match at the moment, that's how much they suck.