TNA at the Alamodome

slikrik84

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I was visiting with a friend the other day about TNA hosting Lockdown at the Alamodome. We had wondered if they were planning to sell the full 70,000 seats and later found out that they are only going to set it up for about 4,000 people.

My question is, what's the point?

It makes no sense to me that they would travel halfway across the U.S. to have a crowd that is only about 2,000 people larger than the Impact Zone.

I know that a lot of people were commenting on the news pieces on wrestlezone that they are out of their mind to host the event at the Alamodome... that Shawn Michaels couldn't even sell it out back in 97... and so on. But how many of you that made those comments know how much that city has changed since 1997? UTSA alone has doubled in student population in that time. Texas State (about 40-50 miles up the road has gotten bigger as well. Those two teams put 40,000 people in the Alamodome this year when they squared off.

The tickets for Lockdown range from $15-$150. Even if every ticket in the arena sold for $100, they would only make $400,000. I don't see how they stand to make a profit off of those ticket sales with all of the travel, the expense of renting the dome, etc. Why not try to sell 70,000 seats at an avg. price of $10 a ticket. That is $700,000 and a heck of a lot more merchandise sales.

How would you do this? Make a college student special of $5 per seat and sell out the balcony. Sell the lower level seats for $10 and then the rest of the tickets at the more expensive price. The idea here should be to get people to sample the product. They have the talent on their roster to attract people that are not wrestling fans. I know... two guys are going in my group that don't know a thing about wrestling but had a great time at Slammiversary.

Even if it means putting a bump in a current storyline, figure out a way to put Sting and Kurt Angle in a steel cage in the main event with Hulk Hogan as the guest referee and watch people flock to the dome. Those names will bring people in. They are three of the biggest stars in professional wrestling history. Then you have the traditional lockdown match, a great mid-card with the likes of RVD, Jeff Hardy, AJ Styles, James Storm, Bobby Roode, knockouts, x-division, etc.

TNA draws about 1/3 of the audience as WWE but sells their tickets for nearly the same price... how is that smart? The problem is not the wrestling. The wrestling ability of the TNA roster is incredible and the roster itself is far better than the Smackdown Roster and I believe that it closely rivals the roster of Raw. The problem is the suits in the TNA office that haven't figured out how to market this product.

Send Hulk Hogan, Sting, Kurt Angle, AJ Styles, Velvet Sky, Brooke Tessmacher, etc., to the college campuses and visit with students and sell $5 tickets. They could easily put 70,000 people in that place. Another thing that likely hasn't been thought of is that the day after Lockdown is the first day of Spring Break, so parents don't have to worry about having their kids home early that night.

It all starts though with bringing those ticket prices down to dirt cheap. Many people criticized WCW for giving away tickets... but it worked. They got people to sample the product and when they did they realized it was good wrestling. That company went from nothing to the biggest wrestling company in the U.S. in a few short years. If it hadn't been for mismanagement and a corporate merger it would likely still be a huge factor today.

Just a note, I am a fan of both TNA and WWE. I watch WWE every Monday and TNA every Thursday and find WWE to be very unsatisfying right now. TNA also needs to speed up the Aces and Eights storyline and reveal a major player as the leader or they need to stop putting so much attention on that storyline... because right now between that, Brooke Hogan, and Garett Bischoff... It can be hard to watch also.
 
To answer the question "What is the point"...the point is to say that TNA ran an event in the Alamodome. To make it seem like the big leagues. That's the point. Even with 4,000 fans they can still say they ran an event in the Alamodome.

Now, in regards to whether or not they could fill up a 70,000 seat stadium by giving away tickets...I doubt it. Its too big a risk to take anyway...if they put the stadium in the 4,000 seat configuration it may look weird in person but not as weird as the full configuration with 15,000 people, which is what could happen if they sold dirt cheap tickets.
 
I thought the same thing. Why even spend money renting the venue if you aren't going to use over half of the seating? Then I thought about it and perception is everything. The Alamodome has name recognition and makes TNA seem bigger then they really are. So they're basically just paying to say they sold out the Alamodome, even if it's just 4000 seats.
 
Yeah it really is all about the name. TNA doesn't do road shows often but they do like to travel around to get local interest in various places. Just having an event at the Alamodome puts them at a higher level of recognition even if they're only selling 4,000 tickets. Consider that TNA is basically only relevant to the more intense wrestling fans out there. Casual fans go to WWE events based on name alone, for the experience. TNA needs to build up and up to the big events just like WWE did over the years. At this point though, even with name recognition like Hogan and Sting TNA still couldn't pay enough people to fill 70,000 seats. I reasonably think they could 10,-15,000 tickets to this event with a good card and enough local promotion, but if they don't feel comfortable with that then they have no reason to try.

Slikrik mentioned the profit they would make at the gate being substantially less than if they offered the full arena. But realistically the live income is just meant to cover the expenses of travel and venue. The majority of wrestling income comes from promotions, merchandise, and pay per view revenue. Thats the same for WWE and would stay the same regardless of where they go or how many tickets they sell.
 
I suppose I can see the point of TNA just being able to say that they had a venue at the Alamodome. Aside from simply being able to state that fact, however, I don't see anything beyond that as far as bragging rights go. If TNA is legitimately only setting up for seating for about 4,000 then...well...I mean, that isn't exactly impressive. If I booked Rupp Arena for a Call of Duty tournament and 50 people showed up to watch it go down, does that mean I can brag about holding a venue in one of the most famous arenas in the country even though the arena was filled up to only a fraction of a single percent?

TNA needs to do their best in putting on as hot a show as they can otherwise the silence will be deafening.
 
Also keep in mind that if the arena configuration is 4,000 (about 6 percent of capacity), then they'd probably only use small percentage of the arena for the show, as well. That means only using a few entry gates and closing off the rest of the interior during the show. That means less arena workers on hand during the day, less electricity, less concessions, etc., which could potentially cut down on TNA's cost. So not only would they be able to say they held a show at a big-time arena, they could do it in a relatively cost-efficient way.
 
70,000 capacity, 4,000 seats. Is it me or will they spend more money on tape for taping the arena than they'll make out of gate sales?

I mean, that's impressive. Making a 70,000 seat arena seem like a 4,000 one? That's some David Copperfield shit right there.

Honestly, I really don't see the logic behind it. There must be SOME reason, but I can't see it. Yeah, you'll broadcast from the Alamodome. Whoop-dee-doo. How's that impressive?

I say, what WILL be more impressive is holding your event with 'round 5,000 people in the arena, but 5,000 people who give a damn and eat everything up.

Then again, maybe TNA knows something about acoustics that we don't. Maybe they're relying on the fact that the noise from the 4,000 people that'll come will be itensified by the echo in the arena thanks to the TRUCK LOADS of free space.

I can see it now.

*Let's go Hardy! .... ardy ... ardy ... ardy .... *
 
You all do know that they still have 3 months to pull some magic and draw sales. I swear! Is everyone in here a little kid?
 
if anything the dome will be set up like they do for a basketball game, a huge sheet dividing the dome in half. if things are done correctly and the card is built well it could be plausible to draw more than 4 or 5 thousand people to the dome; to see 15,000 people there would be a shock.
 
The Alamodome has many different configurations. Remember, the Spurs games sure as s**t didn't sell 70 000 tickets, neither did the Royal Rumble when it was there , etc, etc, etc. TNA will have looked into all the possibilities and set ups possible, and let's face it, none of us have tried to rent the Alamodome for a show for 4000 people, so we really have NO IDEA what we're talking about. What is obvious, however, is that TNA is looking to be preceived as big time. They will be able to say they ran a PPV at the same venue where WWF ran a PPV. They will be promoting the show as being at the Alamodome, not at 1/5 of the Alamodome. This may not make money, but then again neither does every free Impact and PPV they run. TNA is a toy for Dixie to play with and likely a tax write off for Panda Energy. The company needs to make just enough money to not cause the Carter's to file Chapter 11, and obviously they are doing it, or, well, Mom and Pops Carter would have cut this off years ago.
 
I read all the responses and agree that the gate is not where they make the money. They would make more money in the long run by getting people to sample the product. Bully Ray (conveniently) even said something this morning that was similar to this point, about getting people to sample TNA would grow their numbers. Well, here's your chance!

I subscribe to WWE magazine and a while back they had a picture with how many times they performed in each state throughout the year... conveniently, Texas was number 1. There's a reason for that. There are a lot of wrestling fans here. Maximize on that. Market your stars and sell out the alamodome (heck sell the whole balcony for $1 per ticket). Again, it is all about getting an audience to sample the product.

Right now it is very clear on the ticketmaster website. It is isolated in a corner of the arena. In order to utilize the full arena they would have to make serious changes to the tickets that have already mailed out.

I really don't get the point that some of you are making about this being a big deal because it is at the Alamodome... that is not enough. First of all, anyone that lives in this region knows that the Alamodome has basically been like an old vacant Wal-Mart since the AT&T center opened over ten years ago. Having an event at this place is only glamorous if you put 70,000 people in it. Otherwise you rented a second-rate building halfway across the country to sell 4,000 tickets. Again, why?

But then again I guess it is similar to the booking of the Pay Per View last night. I have to say that I was disgusted when Angle and the scrubs beat Aces and Eights to only later have Aces and Eights come out and destroy Hardy and Roode... Yeah, that makes sense. I love the wrestlers of TNA but my goodness the people running the place are not the brightest and clearly are the biggest reason that TNA hasn't turned the corner in ten years of a 1.0 rating on Thursday's Impact.
 
I'm not sure why they are doing this, all I know is I'm going. I have never been to a TNA live show and the cable provider here just got rid of the channel that broadcasted Impact, so I have been in the dark with TNA.

I guess that's the point. Market the product in Texas. I would bump it up to 10,000 though, but they still have time to do that.
 
The seating chart has been put up on the main page, if anyone is interested?
http://www.ticketmaster.com/seatingchart/98415/46582

Its a strange move, and one i'll definitely be interested in seeing the results of. I cant imagine like many are saying that the purpose of this is to say they had an event in the alamodome, what prestige does that add? However, if they sell all those 4000 tickets, they can atleast say they had a sold out show at the alamodome. No other wrestling company ever accomplished that feat.

I'm hoping they do well. TNA could do alot more if they had alot more. ANd it will help them get out on the road more often. With the large student body living in the area, they could easily draw good. With the shows prior to the event being taped in the UK (am I right on this) they will have two weeks or so back to get the show on the road (whoah, never thought I'd use that term literally) and they can send hogan down to promote the hell out of it. Put a james storm in every bar.

The OP may have been right though that selling more tickets cheaper would have been a likely sucess, if they had enough people to buy them. And they could get them. I'm hoping they have a deal with the dome that if they sell the entirety of tickets, they can add more to whats availible. I cant go, too far, but I will be going to a house show over this end if I'm lucky.
 
You all do know that they still have 3 months to pull some magic and draw sales. I swear! Is everyone in here a little kid?

http://www.ticketmaster.com/seatingchart/98415/46582

There's a link to the seating chart that TNA will be going by for the event. They aren't even going to attempt to sell a lot of tickets. You can't blame people for thinking that it's ludicrous that TNA is playing in a venue that can potentially hold over 70,000 people but are only trying to sell 4,000 tickets. Those areas highlighted in red & blue are the only spots available for ticket purchase.
 
I believe that the city or county is miserable because of that huge arena and they can't get any events to the arena because of other competing arenas in Texas. TNA probably got it for free or were paid to host the event there.
 
TNA booking the Alamodome has to be one of the stupidest decision they have ever made. I mean, seriously, what's the use of a dome of 70,000 is your only going to fill up 4,000 of it? It's beyond ******ed.

What does it do for TNA? What does it prove, that they can't fill half a dome? It's ridiculous and just goes to show you that this company has no clue what their doing.

"Hey, we haven't gotten 10,000 people yet for a show. Let's book a 70,000 seat arena. Than were make it down to 4000." Good idea, brother!"
 
I'll be surprised if this isn't the most attended PPV in TNA history, especially if the rumors are true that TNA will be bringing in AAA talent for the event.

For starters, Slammiversary, which was also held in Texas, drew around 5500-6000 earlier this year, so it's safe to say there is a TNA fan base in the area.

The difference with this show is that it's much closer to the Mexican border and I'd assume San Antonio has a large Mexican community. For the past couple years, the Mexican/AAA audience has become very familiar with TNA as they've done an invasion angle down there and names like Jarrett, Abyss, Angle, RVD and company have been regularly featured in AAA PPV's that normally draw between 10 and 20k+.

Back in 1997, when the Royal Rumble was held in the Alamodome it drew an audience of 60k+ fans, 40,000 more fans then any other Royal Rumble attendance. I have to assume that number is in part due too WWE involving mexican talent such as Mil Mascaras, Cibernetico, Blue Demon Jr, etc. in about 1/3 of the card. I fully expect TNA to do something like this at Lockdown using AAA talent and when you combine the TNA/AAA fan bases, it's not a stretch to think TNA will easily do 5k and beyond in San Antonio.
 

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