Tna + 2 Hours = Problems

[jcdrules]

Here comes the news that TNA is about to close in on 2 hours with Spike TV. This is followed by news of this:"According to sources, some current employees/contributors for TNA have reportedly grown frustrated with the company recently over not being paid. forums.wrestlezone.com has been made aware of at least one situation in particular involving a former contributor to TNA's official website who has left the company over not being paid for their work in the last few years.

This same source is also stating that there is another frustrated member of TNA's staff at the moment who has told the company that he will no longer do anymore work for them until he is paid for the work he has done thus far."

This is a bad move for a few reasons:
--A 2 hour show means now instead of taping 2 or 3 weeks worth of TV at one time, TNA will now more or less befored to tape every week, which now means more PRODUCTION COST. The hotel cut back cause a bit of a stir imagine what cut backs will have to happen to maintain this and what kind of back lash will occur when they are made.

--2 hours a week is more than 1 hour. This means more Vince Russo booking. Which to be honest except for Sting-Abyss which is titering on Katie Vick, everything else he has booked has basically sucked.

--No night has been announced yet, if it's Monday and they do not succede vs WWE, which odds are they won't compete with Raw, then there's nothing left for TNA.

--New Talent will be needed which means more money used for salary. It will be interesting to see if TNA will make the ultimate suicide move and charge people to enter the tapings.

 

[Shining Wizard]

--A 2 hour show means now instead of taping 2 or 3 weeks worth of TV at one time, TNA will now more or less befored to tape every week, which now means more PRODUCTION COST. The hotel cut back cause a bit of a stir imagine what cut backs will have to happen to maintain this and what kind of back lash will occur when they are made.

No, they can now have 2 tapings still but now have four hours worth of tapings like WWE does a four hour show. So they won't have to tape it every week or so.

--2 hours a week is more than 1 hour. This means more Vince Russo booking. Which to be honest except for Sting-Abyss which is titering on Katie Vick, everything else he has booked has basically sucked.

Vince Russo was booking to get feuds over but with more time on his hands the match time can get expanded. Are you telling me that you hated the LAX angle? Also this Angle/Cage angle is also good. You seem to come off as a WWE mark saying the same shit every other TNA hater says. LAX have been doing great original angles. Such as invading there opponents family and beating the crap out of them and etc.

--No night has been announced yet, if it's Monday and they do not succede vs WWE, which odds are they won't compete with Raw, then there's nothing left for TNA.

Actually on Monday RAW is pre-empted and TNA will be doing a special called ''This is TNA''. On that show they will be airing 5 of their best PPV matches and moments. This is too attract more fans on Thursday night. There going to show a replay or something on Thursday so it really wouldn't matter if RAW beat them on thursday because fans could of seen it on Monday and it's only the secound hour going head to head with RAW.

--New Talent will be needed which means more money used for salary. It will be interesting to see if TNA will make the ultimate suicide move and charge people to enter the tapings.

TNA have been cutting cost lately like not paying for people's hotels and etc. If the fan's really love TNA they would pay to go see the show. I would pay. With how small the arena is, I doubt ticket prices would even go over $100 and if it does it's for front row tickets.

 

[MrESteel]

This is a bad move for a few reasons:
--A 2 hour show means now instead of taping 2 or 3 weeks worth of TV at one time, TNA will now more or less befored to tape every week, which now means more PRODUCTION COST. The hotel cut back cause a bit of a stir imagine what cut backs will have to happen to maintain this and what kind of back lash will occur when they are made.

With more TV time comes more revenue from commercials..Plus you have no clue what the deal is with Spike to say it would cost more or what not.

--2 hours a week is more than 1 hour. This means more Vince Russo booking. Which to be honest except for Sting-Abyss which is titering on Katie Vick, everything else he has booked has basically sucked.

If you are inferring that Russo came up with the Katie Vick storyline your just in the wrong as that was not his doing. And honestly his booking hasnt been to bad. I enjoy a heel AJ Styles and the whole Jerry Lynn/Sabin thing. Yeah its not that great of booking but what booking in wrestling right now is that great??

--No night has been announced yet, if it's Monday and they do not succede vs WWE, which odds are they won't compete with Raw, then there's nothing left for TNA.

Uh the same night they are drawing decent right now??? Theres is nothing left for TNA if the are on Thursdays???

--New Talent will be needed which means more money used for salary. It will be interesting to see if TNA will make the ultimate suicide move and charge people to enter the tapings.

Or they could use all the talent they try to squeese one to a one hour show every week. How about that?



End result.....Quit being a Negative Nancy!

 

[Abyss]

TNA need 2 hours to showcase longer matches, and just show how serious of a wrestling faction that they are.

And as for storylines sucking, they all kept me interested.

 

[jcdrules]

--I said the Sting/Abyss angle was Katie Vick like, not booked by Russo.

--Reveune from commericals, supposedly they cant pay thier advertisers on thier web site, if thats true how will they be able to pay double the amount of commercials.

--LAX was done before Russo, there for it wasnt his creation 100%. Angle vs Cage please. Im not going to get excited about Scott Steiner returning as Cage's consultant, which will lead to at best semi-decent Steiner/Angle matches.

--Yes the 2 hour special is on a Monday, but if they go full time to Mondays they will get smoked right now.

--It you're gonna comenet about points made, understand whatthe points mean before jumping to conclusions about what you think they may mean.

 

[Shining Wizard]

--I said the Sting/Abyss angle was Katie Vick like, not booked by Russo.

--Reveune from commericals, supposedly they cant pay thier advertisers on thier web site, if thats true how will they be able to pay double the amount of commercials.

--LAX was done before Russo, there for it wasnt his creation 100%. Angle vs Cage please. Im not going to get excited about Scott Steiner returning as Cage's consultant, which will lead to at best semi-decent Steiner/Angle matches.

--Yes the 2 hour special is on a Monday, but if they go full time to Mondays they will get smoked right now.

--It you're gonna comenet about points made, understand whatthe points mean before jumping to conclusions about what you think they may mean.

Ok, How is it Katie Vick like? Katie Vick was more disturbed? I mean doing it with a dead person in kafaybe or shooting your father three times? Katie Vick storyline was just borderline wrong where as the Abyss one is more realistic and can actually get over.

LAX was there before Russo but Russo is now also helping with the LAX storyline. Cage/Angle, the feud itself. You got to admit it's pretty interesting. How about Sabin/Lynn? You don't like that. IMO, it's the best way to showcase a Future vs. Legend match.

They will never go full time on Monday. That just idiotic. They will most likely stay on thursday night's where they get 1.0's and etc. Why move? They will probally move the time frame from 9 to 8 to 10 o' clock.

 

[MrESteel]

--Reveune from commericals, supposedly they cant pay thier advertisers on thier web site, if thats true how will they be able to pay double the amount of commercials.

So what your saying is TNA has to pay for people to advertise on their website and during their shows???? Complete hilarrious you are!!!

--Yes the 2 hour special is on a Monday, but if they go full time to Mondays they will get smoked right now.

Why would they move from a great Thursday night slot??

--It you're gonna comenet about points made, understand whatthe points mean before jumping to conclusions about what you think they may mean.

To you sir I say.. before you comment on subjects such as advertising, time slots, booking a wrestling show...hell wrestling for that matter...I think you should learn the concepts before you "make up" a point

 

[Kasey]

Here comes the news that TNA is about to close in on 2 hours with Spike TV. This is followed by news of this:"According to sources, some current employees/contributors for TNA have reportedly grown frustrated with the company recently over not being paid. forums.wrestlezone.com has been made aware of at least one situation in particular involving a former contributor to TNA's official website who has left the company over not being paid for their work in the last few years.

This same source is also stating that there is another frustrated member of TNA's staff at the moment who has told the company that he will no longer do anymore work for them until he is paid for the work he has done thus far."

This is a bad move for a few reasons:
--A 2 hour show means now instead of taping 2 or 3 weeks worth of TV at one time, TNA will now more or less befored to tape every week, which now means more PRODUCTION COST. The hotel cut back cause a bit of a stir imagine what cut backs will have to happen to maintain this and what kind of back lash will occur when they are made.

It also denotes more ad revenue they will make during those extended sessions on the air (double what they would clear with only one hour), a more natural and un-jumbled rhythm to each broadcast. The production cost would be no different in the long run, or at least way below anything that will make a difference. Will they still use the Impact Zone? Yes. Still the same locker room of athletes? Yes. Same sets? Yes. Same A/V crew? Yes. Everything is the same, just the length of usage of the same people to put a show together. The hotel cutback comes hand-in-hand with the reports of TNA putting several more shows on the road instead of in Orlando and it also comes on the heels of a year or so of talent acquisitions, so what'd you expect? A cash surplus? They're in a growth phase and are playing it safe, unlike Heyman's ECW which fought just to tread water because they always took the show on the road and were locked in a lousy agreement with TNN that made them bleed money.

--2 hours a week is more than 1 hour. This means more Vince Russo booking. Which to be honest except for Sting-Abyss which is titering on Katie Vick, everything else he has booked has basically sucked.

Strictly depending on your perspective. Even with some of Russo's recent f**kups (especially A.J.'s lightspeed job to Angle), I'll take his misfires over the best efforts of Hayes, Lagana, or Gewirtz any day of the damn week. At least the PPV booking allows for a worthwhile investment in watching the shows...something that the competition up north hasn't been able to put together on an at best partial basis since 2004. The major thing that invalidates any storyline effort that he puts forth is the reduced time of in-ring action...and that is undisputable. If they actually have enough time set aside to allow the wrestling to reassert itself on a given episode, then the key ingredient that makes TNA kick WWE's ass hands down would be back in place for the TV broadcasts and not just the PPVs. I can't stand some of what he's done, but the worst is just that the storylines have taken over the in-ring time, which is way more important to me.

--No night has been announced yet, if it's Monday and they do not succede vs WWE, which odds are they won't compete with Raw, then there's nothing left for TNA.

It's highly unlikely they'll move now that Thursday nights are free since CW kicked Smackdown's ass to Fridays. Even if they do switch to Mondays, it wouldn't matter because TNA's current fanbase is very diehard anyway and wouldn't choose two hours of WWE for two hours of TNA. Why wouldn't anything be left for them? Raw isn't an impenetrable fortress like some think. It just runs uncontested right now and has since the WCW acquisition. Besides, the business could definitely use a decent shot in the arm at this point, and I'd like to see a literal fire lit under McMahon's ass so he stops embarrassing his company with crap each week.

--New Talent will be needed which means more money used for salary. It will be interesting to see if TNA will make the ultimate suicide move and charge people to enter the tapings.

New talent isn't needed. Do a count of the active members of the TNA roster and stack it up against Raw's. TNA has more. Plenty more. Raw by itself has around 30-35 whereas TNA has around 50. This is also with me being generous and counting both roster's ladies as well, which if that was discounted would put a significant dent in what Raw has. If anything, it'll actually give TNA more time to showcase the rest of the talent that doesn't get to make it on the air for weeks at a shot. The question is actually, why wouldn't they do a two-hour show? It makes more sense to get usage out of wrestling talent on the payroll to develop your product than to limit the exposure and pay for something you never see.

 

[wwenba]

jcdrules, I would add to how wrong you are but lets face it...You have pretty much been picked apart.

 

[Kasey]

--I said the Sting/Abyss angle was Katie Vick like, not booked by Russo.

You're reaching for comparisons that aren't there, my friend. Abyss was hardly accused of necrophilia. Sting wasn't exactly out in the ring prepping to dry-hump a mannequin now was he? Triple H's actions were malicious in nature, whereas Sting is a savior figure who is the polar opposite of that. Besides, this storyline hardly does the retcon damage that the Vick storyline did to Kane's character. Russo is actually trying to build a backstory for Abyss instead of having zero explanation why he comes to the ring in a mask and doesn't do anything except grunt when he communicates. It might be tacky to you, but at least it's not Gewirtz-esque in nature by also being completely stupid.

--Reveune from commericals, supposedly they cant pay thier advertisers on thier web site, if thats true how will they be able to pay double the amount of commercials.

And who was the advertiser? Does anybody have a link to who this may have been, or am I supposed to just take someone's word for it and buy bullshit unseen? THEY DON'T PAY ADVERTISERS on TV. It's the other way around. They may have some low-class ads, but that is typical for Spike TV programming as a whole. Advertisers still have to pay for airtime.

Im not going to get excited about Scott Steiner returning as Cage's consultant, which will lead to at best semi-decent Steiner/Angle matches.

You don't have to get excited. The consultant aspect is not what the angle is about. It's only a trimming. The title match is what the angle is about and the consultant angle is just drivel that's attached. Steiner worked his ass off against Joe, so I wouldn't completely count him out for turning in a good performance against Angle. However, you may be right and it may totally suck. We'll have to see.

--Yes the 2 hour special is on a Monday, but if they go full time to Mondays they will get smoked right now.

They wouldn't get smoked any more than they are at present. If anything they would steal new viewers who don't even know they exist. Not everyone in the audience at a WWE show is "smart" and internet-savvy. If WWE is all they know about, then putting a show up against it at that time can only help if your core TNA fans are too diehard to switch over to Raw anyway. Most people forget that this was how Nitro fished WCW out of the toilet. Direct competition only helps the business grow.[/QUOTE]

 

[BC 21]

This is good.

--As people have stated advertisers pay TNA/Spike for TV or Website advertisement. Why you would think otherwise is beyond me.

--From what I've read, the people that are not getting paid are contributers to the website. Maybe somebody who wrote an article or something, that's it, not actual TNA employees, which is a big difference. The talent is from my understanding is very upbeat about the direction of the company.

--Don't look for TNA to move to Mondays with the 2 hour show. If they do move it will be to Wednesday nights.

--And last but not least, STOP blaming Russo. Yes he writes the stuff, but the final say comes down to Jeff & Dixie, and the talent has say as well. No your facts before placing blame. Complaining about build up to ppv matches? Is that what its come to? So I guess you'd rather see a match on ppv that has no storyline or buildup? So you want a match at AAO with Wildcat vs Petey Williams?(Yes I know it's not going to happen. But there's a match, thrown together with no rhyme or reason, just there.) I'll take the storylines and buildup anytime. And even with a 1 hour show, TNA is getting more done in that time than WWE is getting done in 5 hours of tv.

 

[jawn87]

i dont think it would be a problem at all considering it gives them time to wrestle everyone or almost everyone on the show, if i owned it all, id make it three hours like WCW because WCW was wAYYYYYY better than WWE. had the better matches, better stories, better manager and or boss, and Mondays Nitro Defeated Raw for many many weeks, and i think if they put TNA on mondays, live, it would defeat RAW in a huge way and would be very very awesome. at least they will wrestle mid carders unlike RAW. Smackdown wrestle mid carders all the time, but RAW, its like you see HBK and Cena EVERY hour on the hour, dont get me wrong they are awesome, but i wouldnt want to see main eventers all night long.