Was that in a Last Man Standing Match?
Yes. It was a Last Man Standing Match.
Please list the people that Hogan has beaten in hardcore matches other than Vince McMahon and Ric Flair.
I have no idea, I haven't listed them. This isn't a hardcore match, per se, though.
Yeah in an unscheduled match after Yoko had already wrestled and won the title. He wasn't ready.
Kayfabe-wise, Hogan also wasn't prepared for it, had also wrestled a match earlier that night, and had wrestled a much longer match then Yoko did. And Yoko challenged Hogan, you can't make excuses if you issue the challenge.
Fire is legal in this match. Wouldn't have to hide it. He'll bring it to the ring and put it in Hogan's face for starters. Then Tombstone him on a chair, or on the steps, or choke slam him through a table, or put him in Hell's Gate and choke him unconscious.
Now we're just making things up. Hogan could bring a chainsaw with him to the ring, or a shotgun. I mean, there ya go. Last I checked, this was a pure Last Man Standing match, not a match where they have a barrel of random weapons available to them. Pretty much whatever they have at ringside.
They were one for one, and both cheated, but Taker was the rookie. Imagine if there were no rules, and imagine Taker in his prime. Hogan could barely handle him as a rookie.
Actually, only the Undertaker cheated in both matches. Hogan avoided cheating. So yes, as long as Undetaker had two men helping him, he was Hogan's equal...for one match. They tried the same shit the next match, and Hogan overcame all three of them.
No it was after all of the heels on the roster came out and helped, and Yoko opened the Urn which was Taker's strength at the time.
This is more of that realism, right?
I forgot what this was in response to, but I'll answer with Hell's Gate/Tombstone/Last Ride > Leg Drop.
Not kayfabe they aren't. How many people kicked out of the leg drop in Hogan's prime? Ultimate Warrior and that's it? Meanwhile people get out of all of those finishers with decent regularity.
But he knows what it takes to win them. Hogan just knows how to Hulk up and get a pin. He can't brawl on the same level as the Undertaker.
And even knowing how to win them he still loses fairly regularly. Meanwhile Hogan is undefeated in those matches.
Those people are Hall of Famers. What's wrong with losing to them? Hogan has lost to some of the greats also.
Far less then Undertaker has. Hogan tends to win, whereas Undertaker loses quite often comparatively. You keep avoiding this point, that Hogan rarely ever loses, while Undertaker has lost far more often.
They don't have to. The skill, power, devastating moveset, stamina, speed, agility, and pure raw ass kicking ability back me up.
They certainly do. Kayfabe, titles are FAR more important then your subjective assessments of skill, power, moveset. Because even though you deem Hogan "deficient" in those areas, he still wins far more, and far more important matches.
Undertaker is past what we would call his prime and he's more unstoppable than ever. Throughout his whole career though, he's shown that in hardcore matches he can go the distance. Hogan has never had to endure the amount of punishment that a Last Man Standing match would bring, especially from the Undertaker.
If he's "more unstoppable then ever", then this is still his prime. And in his prime, he needed help to beat an out of his prime Hogan.
And Hogan had dealt with more punishment and overcome it in his career then Undertaker has.
Hogan was the champ so he was the best at the time in the company.
Ok, but that still doesn't make it his prime. That just means that an old, out of his prime Hogan is still able to beat these young guys in their primes. That's how good he is.
Why is age a factor here?
Because it's a big factor?
He had the belt didn't he?
Yes he did.
Vince didn't really interfere.
Hogan had him pinned. Vince distracted the ref. Then he distracted Hogan, allowing UNdertaker to attack him from behind. He certainly interfered.
Hogan is just a big dummy.
Ummm, how so?
The Undertaker beat his ass and left him broken in the ring after the match.
Except that he needed help to do it, and he should have lost already if it weren't for outside forces that wouldn't be here.
Have a match with no rules and Hogan won't stand a chance.
Yeah, that's what the history of Hogan's career tells us. Despite his copious steel cage matches (which are "no rules" as well) and wins, Hogan has no chance against a guy who has been beaten by Maven.
Hogan had the belt, and I will say it again. If you have the belt, you are the top guy and kayfabe wise you are the "best in the business". The Undertaker beat the best the WWE had to offer at the time...but he was 49 so the win isn't credible I see. Oh, after the match, Hogan was down for over 5 minutes. But I guess that's ok, because he was old.
the difference is that Hogan had already lost, so why bother getting up. If he HAD to get up, he would have, jsut like he had everytime throughout his career...unlike the Undertaker.
I don't like Hogan's chances.
You're biased.
Realism in that the Undertaker is too smart to let that happen to him. He makes the lights turn on by raising his hands for christ's sake
He's too smart to let it happen to him? His prime gimmick was all about being a unthinking monster who thought he got power from an urn of ashes. Yeah, he was a real brainiac.
Not sure he's Top 20? You don't even believe that.
Your damn right I believe it. The guy is a great gimmick, but he was never the top draw of the company, and rarely the champion. He's held a World Title for just over 400 days TOTAL in his career. That's not a top 20 wrestler, sorry.
Ok, so Hogan's revenge is cool, but Yoko's revenge on Hogan, or Taker's revenge on Yoko isn't cool. Giving what you get doesn't apply there I guess.
Except Yoko wasn't getting revenge on Hogan, Hogan didn't cheat to take his title, so it's nowhere near the same situation, same deal with Undertaker/Yoko, whereas Taker and his crew were actively cheating in matches against Hogan, and their cheating backfired.
Mankind also got thrown off a cell by the same guy.
Umm, so what? That was a completely different match, and said that Undertaker had never been put down by a submission, and I was just proving you wrong. Which I did...
Was considered a draw. You're reaching here. This has nothing to do with the match, and what Hogan would do to keep The Undertaker down.
...Twice. You brought up the submissions thing, not me.
Awww how cute...you're being clever.
Thanks.
Hogan can't get up if he's unconscious.
Which nobody has ever done to a Prime Hogan in a match, but the Undertaker will magically do here?
One thing I am noticing about the Hogan voters is that they are not stating how Hogan can beat the Undertaker, they are just looking for flaws in the Undertaker's career as to why he shouldn't go over 'Taker.
Umm, actually I've suggested more then a couple of ways how Hogan would win, you just choose to ignore them.
Hogan is a legend and pioneer, but he cannot get past the wrecking ball that is the Undertaker.
If only he could reach the same level of awesomeness as the great Maven. Also, JBL who beat the Undertaker REPEATEDLY, but I bet you wouldn't vote JBL over the Undertaker. He also lost to
Jeff Hardy
Mr. Kennedy
Matt Hardy
VINCE MCMAHON (!!!!!)
RVD
Booker T
Albert (who?)
Rikishi
Vader in a casket match(who Hogan whupped)
MABEL (yeah, that's right, defend this one)
Oh, and that all-time great, Vladmir Kozlov.
Other then Vader, everyone on that list is not a HOF worthy wrestler as of now. And more then one of those matches were gimmick matches. For instance Matt Hardy beat him in a Falls Count Anywhere match.
He is the ultimate assassin,
and has beaten everyone he has faced at least once.
Hogan cannot say that he has beaten everyone he has faced.
Possibly true, I don't have a comprehensive list, but he's also had multiple cracks at people, whereas Hogan has only a couple of unavenged losses from guys he faced at the end of his career.
The Undertaker has been in some of the most brutal matches, including the first Hell in a Cell, the first Inferno Match, and the first Casket Match.
Didn't he lose two of those matches? Congratulations on his being present, though.
The Undertaker has the power, skills, stamina, intelligence, and sheer killer instinct to take ANYONE out, especially Hogan.
What do you call those things when he loses, which he does far more then Hulk Hogan?
What people are failing to realize is that Hogan is not a hardcore wrestler,
If the Undertaker is, he's not very good at it.
and is easily taken out by weapons.
LOL, completely ridiculous.
Also what the Hogan supporters are doing is voting off of love for Hogan, and not so much Hogan's ability to actually win the match.
Yes, history shows us that HOgan has a hard time winning matches.
There is nothing that is in Hogan's arsenal that he can pull out to put The Undertaker down for a 10 count.
If only he possessed the offensive arsenal of JBL, John Cena, Maven, and Kozlov.
You can be in denial all you want, that is perfectly fine with me, but the fact of the matter is that a Last Man Standing match heavily favors The Undertaker, in ANY era as a heel or as a face.
Just because you declare it as true doesn't mean it's actually true. Facts show us that Undertaker has a history of losing gimmick matches, and Hogan does not.
The Undertaker's ability to take people "OUT" will come in to play and should heavily influence your vote
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As should his ability to BE taken out in these matches, and Hogan's abilities to overcome all odds and come out with a win almost every time.
Sure Taker has been taken out, but so has Hogan
Far less frequently, and by far better overall opposition
Hulk Hogan does not have enough in the tank to take the Undertaker out in a Last Man Standing, all the while with standing the Undertaker's relentless barrage of attacks.
Again, history shows us that Prime Hogan ALWAYS has something in the tank. Always.