Third Round - Tokyo: Last Man Standing - Batista vs. Ric Flair

[klunderbunker]

This is a Third Round match in the Tokyo Region.

Rules: This is simple: anything goes and the only way to lose is to be beaten to the point where you cannot answer a count of ten. There are no disqualifications.

Location: Tokyo Dome

Batista

Vs.

Ric Flair

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Voting is open for 4 days.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

Ric Flair wins this one. Hands down. What many people don't realize is all Flair has ever done is win big matches. Sure he gets the shit kicked out of him, and he even loses a lot of blood, but ultimately, he wins the vast majority of his matches. And in the Tokyo Dome... Flair can do it all. He beat Jumbo Tsuruta AT the Tokyo Dome, he's faced foes that are way bigger, way better, and way craftier than Batista ever thought of being.

Another thing to factor into this is that Flair had a Last Man Standing match back in 2005 with Triple H and sure he lost, but it took a Sledgehammer to do so. And mind you, Flair was north of 55 at the time. At his peak, Flair simply outlasts his opponents. And Batista's no different. I don't think Batista's ever had a match last a half hour. Flair's gone 60 minutes on a daily basis during his heyday with the NWA Worlds Heavyweight Title.

So despite the punishment Batista could deliver, Flair has something up his sleeve. He always does. That's why Ric Flair wins this match.

 

[Coco]

What many people don't realize is all Flair has ever done is win big matches.

Same with Batista.

So I'm not seeing your point.

Sure he gets the shit kicked out of him, and he even loses a lot of blood, but ultimately, he wins the vast majority of his matches.

Has Ric Flair ever gotten a win over a man as dominant as Batista in a match the calls for victories as decisive as Last Man Standing does? I'd say no.

The most dominant wrestlers of Batista's generation, Undertaker and John Cena, couldn't even do it. Undertaker was fought to a draw by Big Dave, and John Cena, a man much stronger and dominant than Flair's ever been, needed to resort to tactics that even he found cheap and regrettable; tactics the likes of which Flair won't get the chance to employ while being thrown from pillar to post.

Another thing to factor into this is that Flair had a Last Man Standing match back in 2005 with Triple H and sure he lost, but it took a Sledgehammer to do so.

Triple H was a shell of himself at the time. His defeats at the hands of Batista sent The Game home for several months. He was working through ring rust against Flair. Don't flatter Slick Ric.

At his peak, Flair simply outlasts his opponents. And Batista's no different. I don't think Batista's ever had a match last a half hour. Flair's gone 60 minutes on a daily basis during his heyday with the NWA Worlds Heavyweight Title.

While Batista's never needed 60 minutes to beat the biggest names of his era.

Point: Batista.

VOTE FOR THE PERSON WHO WOULD ACTUALLY WIN THIS MATCH: BATISTA

Don't employ non-kayfabe criterion in this round. If that was how things are meant to be done, why would the gimmicks exist?

 

[gd]

It has to be Batista here. Sure, Flair won a lot of titles, but for those of you who will vote against Batista for being "bad" in the ring, is Flair much better? Certainly not. Not at all.

As for the match itself, Batista been in a ton of these, and even though he's lost some recently, I don't think Flair'll be using duct tape. Did they even have it back then? Doubtful. Also, what's Flair going to do to keep Batista down for 10? A low blow? I doubt it. Batista has miniscule testicles. A Figure Four? Can't remember the last time a submission ended a last man standing.

Flair would be covered it 6 quarts of his own blood just minutes into the match. He simply won't be able to overpower an angry, monster, heel Batista that would use whatever the hell he wanted to win. No way Flair will still be standing after 2, maybe 3 Batista Bombs.

 

[Mr. Truth]

Rick Flair is called the dirtiest player in the game for a reason. He'd do whatever it takes to win this match. If there's one person who could figure out some way to get Batista down for a 10 count not using duct tape, its Flair. It could work one of two ways, either a weapon or a beat-down by the other horsemen. Doesn't matter, Flair will pull out this victory.

 

[Coco]

Rick Flair is called the dirtiest player in the game for a reason. He'd do whatever it takes to win this match. If there's one person who could figure out some way to get Batista down for a 10 count not using duct tape, its Flair. [

What a fucking crock of shit. A cop-out if I've ever seen one.

"Well, he has a good nick name and cheats a lot. He'd find a way."

That's not even an argument. It's a whole where you expect the nick name to make up for the lack of argument.

Fuck that. Those are the sorts of tactics Will was using last year to push Edge. How about instead of pulling that, you nut the fuck up and say something of substance? Would that be asking too much?

It could work one of two ways, either a weapon or a beat-down by the other horsemen. Doesn't matter, Flair will pull out this victory.

Dave's survived weapon shots and has dealt with multi-man attacks successfully on a regular basis at points in his career. This is as weak as your last argument.

"Nothing Dave's done in this era matters. He doesn't have a chance because Ric Flair is Ric Flair." That's pretty much the argument I'm seeing here. Disgusting and insulting to the people you think it'll sway.

VOTE BATISTA.

 

[Big Sexy]

This is the EXACT type of match that Flair would win. He is against a bigger, stronger opponent with a stipulation that doesn't seem to favor him. However, Flair has proven time and again that he can and will overcome these odds and leave the victor.

Will Flair get the shit beaten out of him for most of the match? Yes. Will Flair be bleeding profusely? Yes. Will Flair still win the match? Yes. This is a man who has made Terry Funk scream "I Quit." The man that made Vader (a man who is bigger, tougher, and just all around better then Batista) give up to the figure four in a Steel Cage match. Whether it's with help from the Horseman or just something resourceful like what Cena did with the duct tape, the dirtiest player in the game will come out victorious.

 

[Vintage Nick]

I hated Batista's in-ring work until he became Heel, and while I still don't like him as much I vote in this tournament based on logic, not being a fanboy. Logically, Kayfabe or not, Batista would tear Flair apart. I mean, which Flair are we talking about? Flair in his prime, or the old, flabby and pathetic/sad man we knew as Ric? It doesn't matter anyway, Batista would rip Flair's head off his head. How many Last Man Standing matches has Flair been in anyways? Batista has been in several, actually being on the level of The Undertaker, regarded as one of the best workers in the business.

I see Batista just giving Flair a nasty look before assaulting and pounding his ass into the ground. He delivers a Spear and a Batista Bomb winning at 7:45, because I assume the Flair will try and put in some offense or sneak in dirty tactics.

 

[Coco]

This is the EXACT type of match that Flair would win. He is against a bigger, stronger opponent with a stipulation that doesn't seem to favor him. However, Flair has proven time and again that he can and will overcome these odds and leave the victor.

See what I said to the last poster in this thread to come out for Flair. It's an argument of the same nature in that it's not an argument at all.

Will Flair get the shit beaten out of him for most of the match? Yes. Will Flair be bleeding profusely? Yes. Will Flair still win the match? Yes.

Two out of three ain't bad. Let me help you out below.

This is a man who has made Terry Funk scream "I Quit." The man that made Vader (a man who is bigger, tougher, and just all around better then Batista) give up to the figure four in a Steel Cage match.

Submission won't win Flair this match. Even if Flair survives an initial onslaught from Dave, he can't make him quit, he can't roll him up, and he can't run down the clock.

Batista's second wind will end Flair. Just like it's ended the likes of Cena, Undertaker, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Jericho, Edge, and Orton. In case you didn't know, that's just about every major name of Dave's generation. He's destoryed them all. Two have returned the favor in kind.

Average it out, and Flair's record isn't as sterling as that.

Batista finds a way to win more often than not. You people are overlooking this while saying the same of Flair.

Whether it's with help from the Horseman or just something resourceful like what Cena did with the duct tape, the dirtiest player in the game will come out victorious.

Cena took it to Batista before he found it in himself to do that. Flair'll be half dead five minutes in. He won't have it in him to duct tape Batista. He's just not gonna be able to hang like Cena did.

Horsemen? Once again, Batista is used to fending off multiple attackers during matches with a couple of his more notorious foes. He'll be ready for this.

Flair can't hang. He just can't.

 

[Big Sexy]

See what I said to the last poster in this thread to come out for Flair. It's an argument of the same nature in that it's not an argument at all.

I'm not seeing much from you either. All you've done is discount Flair's past and all of the times he has overcome the odds to win matches. I've yet to see you make much of an argument as to why Batista would win.

Submission won't win Flair this match. Even if Flair survives an initial onslaught from Dave, he can't make him quit, he can't roll him up, and he can't run down the clock.

A submission won't win it but if Batista can barely stand up after being in the figure four it will be a lot easier to keep him down.

Batista's second wind will end Flair.

Not really. Batista may have his second wind but Flair will still have his 3rd, 4th, and 5th winds.

Just like it's ended the likes of Cena, Undertaker, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Jericho, Edge, and Orton. In case you didn't know, that's just about every major name of Dave's generation. He's destoryed them all. Two have returned the favor in kind.

And Flair has beaten all of the big names in multiple decades. Whats your point? BTW Cena, Taker, HBK, Jericho, and Edge all have victories over Batista. Edge has beaten him numerous times.

Cena took it to Batista before he found it in himself to do that. Flair'll be half dead five minutes in. He won't have it in him to duct tape Batista. He's just not gonna be able to hang like Cena did.

In the late 80's Flair's matches AVERAGED around 30 minutes. He will be far from done after 5 minutes.

Horsemen? Once again, Batista is used to fending off multiple attackers during matches with a couple of his more notorious foes. He'll be ready for this.

He may be ready but it will still weaken him and make it easier for Flair to pick up a victory.

Flair can't hang. He just can't.

Flair would not only hang, he would beat Batista.

 

[Mr. Truth]

What a fucking crock of shit. A cop-out if I've ever seen one.

"Well, he has a good nick name and cheats a lot. He'd find a way."

That's not even an argument. It's a whole where you expect the nick name to make up for the lack of argument.

Fuck that. Those are the sorts of tactics Will was using last year to push Edge. How about instead of pulling that, you nut the fuck up and say something of substance? Would that be asking too much?


Dave's survived weapon shots and has dealt with multi-man attacks successfully on a regular basis at points in his career. This is as weak as your last argument.

"Nothing Dave's done in this era matters. He doesn't have a chance because Ric Flair is Ric Flair." That's pretty much the argument I'm seeing here. Disgusting and insulting to the people you think it'll sway.

VOTE BATISTA.

Sounds like someone's got a bit of a hard on for Batista. You really discount Flair's history of pulling off victories when it mattered in his prime and the fact that he's one of the biggest heels ever. And you just push off the horsemen as if its just a weak gang up. The Four Horsemen were a cohesive unit that took down anyone that stood in their way back in NWA days. Without them, there wouldn't be heel stables. I also love how you put words in my mouth. Not once did I say Batista is worthless and he hasn't done anything of value in this era. Sure the guy is strong, but that's really his only attribute he has going for him. Flair can outsmart Batista, and he's backed by the other Horsemen, so that negates Batista's power game. Flair is known to take a beating, but he usually finds a way to win. This is one of those cases.
Vote Smart, Vote Flair
Sidenote: If you want someone to support your guy, don't go around cursing off and belittling people. It makes you seem like a dick.

 

[Coco]

I'm not seeing much from you either. All you've done is discount Flair's past and all of the times he has overcome the odds to win matches. I've yet to see you make much of an argument as to why Batista would win.

Two men have defeated Batista in decisive fashion in the last five years. TWO. And Batista's also beaten both of them decisively. Both of those men were better competitors and came off stronger than Flair ever did. The fact is, Batista doesn't take decisive losses against soft wrestlers or heels in general.

Flair can't touch Batista if Batista's record says anything.

Those aren't vague allusions to dirty playing and overcoming odds. Those are FACTS.

A submission won't win it but if Batista can barely stand up after being in the figure four it will be a lot easier to keep him down.

Even if he can barely get to his feet, he's still beaten the ten count.

He'll do that consistently as no leg-focsed submission has ever caused him to pass out.

Even a weak Batista is still going to give Flair ten times the ass kicking a fresh Flair can dish out.

Not really. Batista may have his second wind but Flair will still have his 3rd, 4th, and 5th winds.

Batista destorys people more decisively than people Flair was used to facing in his prime. There won't be chance for even that third wind to come around. Batista finishes people too quickly.

FACT.

And Flair has beaten all of the big names in multiple decades. Whats your point?

Averages will show that Batista's done it with more success. His decisive wins outweight those of Flairs.

BTW Cena, Taker, HBK, Jericho, and Edge all have victories over Batista. Edge has beaten him numerous times.

Jericho's never pinned a prime Batista. Batista's beaten Jericho clean. Jericho got a weak cage win.

Point: Batista.

HBK won because Batista made the mistake of giving him mercy after a fake injury by Michaels. A Batista who learned his lessons then went on to squash Michaels, becoming one of the only men to do that in the 2000s. Batista's learned his lessons well enough to give no mercy to Flair, and Michaels hasn't defeated a prime Batista in a more convincing manner than Batista's beaten him. Michaels, a man known for overcoming odds, was squashed by Dave.

Point: Batista.

Edge beat Batista in a cage, by count-out, and after exploiting a pre-existing leg injury. Batista won't have that injury coming into these bout, so it's a moot point. Flair can't score cheap cage or count-out wins.

Decisive wins in this feud? All go to Batista.

Point: Batista.

Like I said, the only two men to beat him decisively were Undertaker and Cena. A short list.

Flair doesn't have a record for decisive wins like Batista doesn't. Simple fact is what I was establishing.

In the late 80's Flair's matches AVERAGED around 30 minutes. He will be far from done after 5 minutes.

Flair worked an era and a company where wrestlers weren't strong enough to put someone down in Batista-like fashion.

No way he lasts with a guy like Batista. Because Batista doesn't let them last. FACT.

He may be ready but it will still weaken him and make it easier for Flair to pick up a victory.

No, it won't. After being attacked by groups of thugs in matches before, Batista was never left laying at the end of the affair. That's what it'll take here. Flair can't get a win that decisive over Dave. He, as established, doesn't lose to men as soft as the Nature Boy. Especially not in a decisive fashion.

Look for domination by Dave. Because his record demands it.

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

Ric Flair wins this match on the basis that he is the most successful wrestler in history, therefore, it's impossible to argue that he spent the majority of his career losing. In his prime, Ric Flair took the "who's who" list and beat them all. Flair was just as dominant in his time as Batista.

Ric Flair's submission finisher won't knock Batista out, but losing your legs stops you from doing anything well: getting up, moving, Batista Bomb, etc. Flair can take Batista's legs out from under him; there are no ropes to aide him. Even after this, Flair will take away any momentum from Batista with a sneaky low-blow, and brass knuckles will spell the end for the Animal. Flair is too cunning and too good for Batista here.

 

[Coco]

You want another reason why Flair loses? His reputation outside of the ring will catch up from him due to there being no rules and a ten count taking forever to die out. Should he take David down, Flair will be bored out of his mind waiting for him to get to his feet. In that time, if Flair is seduced onto his back in order to let a young woman experience Space Mountain before Dave gets to his feet, then Slick Ric is gonna be down for the long haul.

They don't call him the Sixty Minute Man for nothing. Woooo!

Another reason Flair loses? Creditors are likely to breaks his legs before the match begins, rendering Dave the winner by forfeit.

Woooo!

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

Same with Batista.

So I'm not seeing your point.

My point is Flair wouldn't let himself get tied up by fucking MASKING TAPE! Comparing Flair to Batista is like comparing apples to apples that were injected with HGH and couldn't draw a dime.

Has Ric Flair ever gotten a win over a man as dominant as Batista in a match the calls for victories as decisive as Last Man Standing does? I'd say no.

Terry Funk in an I Quit Match for starters. Vader in a "Loser Leaves Town" match. Beating Randy Orton CLEAN during his last year in the WWE to keep his career going. Flair's had LOTS at stake in his career and ALWAYS wins. Always. Batista always collapses in big matches. Rey Mysterio, John Cena, and others can vouch for that.

The most dominant wrestlers of Batista's generation, Undertaker and John Cena, couldn't even do it. Undertaker was fought to a draw by Big Dave, and John Cena, a man much stronger and dominant than Flair's ever been, needed to resort to tactics that even he found cheap and regrettable; tactics the likes of which Flair won't get the chance to employ while being thrown from pillar to post.

You're joking right? Cena? More dominant than Flair? You are officially on the same list as JMT as far as never taking anything they say wrestling wise seriously. John Cena is Lex Luger with a personality and marketability. And you know what? Undertaker beat Batista for his WHC on the biggest stage of them all with Taker's streak on the line. Lots at stake, and Batista lost. Big surprise. Flair wins matches that many try to avoid in the first place.

Triple H was a shell of himself at the time. His defeats at the hands of Batista sent The Game home for several months. He was working through ring rust against Flair. Don't flatter Slick Ric.

Slick Ric was also nearly 55 years old, lasted over 35 minutes with him, and managed to take a helluva beating from HHH. Flair in his prime would have beaten HHH in his prime and ANY wrestler in his prime. You HAVE watched Ric Flair wrestle haven't you?

While Batista's never needed 60 minutes to beat the biggest names of his era.

Or to lose to them. Which is what he did more of.

Point: Batista.

VOTE FOR THE PERSON WHO WOULD ACTUALLY WIN THIS MATCH: BATISTA

Don't employ non-kayfabe criterion in this round. If that was how things are meant to be done, why would the gimmicks exist?

Gimmicks exist for entertainment purposes only. Kayfabe wise, Batista was mentored by Flair and HHH. You don't think Flair fucking knows what Batista's going to try to do to him? Ric Flair's the "Dirtiest Player in the Game". He's named that because he does anything he can to win a match. And with NO rules and no DQ, Batista's dead in the water.

VOTE FLAIR!!! WOOO!!!

See? I can do that too, Coco.

 

[Coco]

My point is Flair wouldn't let himself get tied up by fucking MASKING TAPE! Comparing Flair to Batista is like comparing apples to apples that were injected with HGH and couldn't draw a dime.

WM21 did huge numbers with Dave as the focal point and WM23 is the highest drawing Mania ever. His rematches with Hunter also did well. When he's showcased properly, he does draw. So I'm not sure what you're flapping your typing fingers about.

Terry Funk in an I Quit Match for starters. Vader in a "Loser Leaves Town" match. Beating Randy Orton CLEAN during his last year in the WWE to keep his career going. Flair's had LOTS at stake in his career and ALWAYS wins. Always.

Batista isn't going down by submission. Esepcially in a Last Man Standing match.

Batista always collapses in big matches. Rey Mysterio, John Cena, and others can vouch for that.

Survivor Series 2009 is the biggest match Mysterio ever had with Dave. How did that work out for him?

Also, Cena's only one of two men to get on even footing with Dave in his prime. And it's not like Dave's victory over Cena happened at a house show.

You're joking right? Cena? More dominant than Flair? You are officially on the same list as JMT as far as never taking anything they say wrestling wise seriously.

Yeah, I'd sure hate to be on his level.

John Cena is Lex Luger with a personality and marketability.

This has what to do with how donimant Cena is?

Oh, right. Nothing. Nice job adding little of substance to the discussion. If only you could make a proper career of it, you'd be set. And maybe even world class.

And you know what? Undertaker beat Batista for his WHC on the biggest stage of them all with Taker's streak on the line. Lots at stake, and Batista lost. Big surprise.

And Batista went on to win in his home town with the belt at stake. Pride and gold. Big situation. Batista won.

Taker's one of two men to beat Dave man to man over the last five years. Not too shappy, and if you average it out, Dave's looked more dominant over his short career than Flair has in ANY five year stretch.

Flair wins matches that many try to avoid in the first place.

Oh, look. A Flair mark speaking vaguely about their man's reputation. SHOCKING.

You HAVE watched Ric Flair wrestle haven't you?

Lariat only knows five movez.

Or to lose to them. Which is what he did more of.

Except he didn't. You know, like I showed in my last post. Facts are facts. Batista doesn't do decisive losses unless they're on rare occasions against only two names.

Flair, on the other hand, almost always looked decisively trounced.

Flair's simply outmatched and outclassed here.

Kayfabe wise, Batista was mentored by Flair and HHH. You don't think Flair fucking knows what Batista's going to try to do to him?

Assuming this takes place in each man's prime, 80s Flair knows nothing of the greatness that is Batista. But Batista's seen all of Flair's tricks AND fended off many men using those tricks.

Ric Flair's the "Dirtiest Player in the Game". He's named that because he does anything he can to win a match. And with NO rules and no DQ, Batista's dead in the water.

Will tactics.

VOTE BATISTA

 

[thepalaceprince]

To me batistas just to powerful and I think a last man standing match works in favor of batista its going to take alot more to keep batista down for ten seconds then it will flair. Batista is to powerful to intense to fast and to brutal for flair to win this match it will take alot for batista to win but I think a batista bomb through both anounce tables should do it

 

[Big Sexy]

Two men have defeated Batista in decisive fashion in the last five years. TWO. And Batista's also beaten both of them decisively. Both of those men were better competitors and came off stronger than Flair ever did. The fact is, Batista doesn't take decisive losses against soft wrestlers or heels in general.

I'm only quoting this part because the rest of your post is basically just repeating this same sentiment. You talk about Batista only having two decisive losses. What the fuck does that mean? A loss is a loss. I don't care what type of interference there is or what circumstances occurred to make the loss happen.

The fact is Batista has lost a lot more then you're saying he has. The one guy that has beaten Batista the most over the last few years is Edge. Edge, like Flair, is known as a guy who always finds a way to win. Whether it's a cheap victory, a win with a ton of interference, or just exploiting a weakness the fact is he found a way to constantly beat Batista. Flair just happens to be about 100X better then Edge and he would certainly find a way to beat Batista even with the odds stacked against him. The same way he beat Funk in an "I Quit" match and the same way he beat Vader in a steel cage.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Unfortunately, I have to vote for Batista. This type of match favors him for a few reasons. As Coco pointed out earlier, Flair can't beat Batista with a roll up, run down the clock, or anything like that. Flair is crafty, always has been. But Flair would have to find a way to literally knock Batista out for ten seconds, and I just don't think he can do that. Is it possible for Flair to win this match? Sure. He could go the John Cena route, and tape his legs to the post, or Arn Anderson could come out and nail Batista with brass knucks, etc. But with Flair and Batista, one-on-one, in this match, I have to take Batista.

Batista is just too big and too strong for Flair. I just don't see Flair having any moves in he uses regularly that are devestating enough to keep Batista down for a ten count. Batista could hit (botch, no doubt) 3 or 4 Batista Bombs, and that would be it for Flair. Maybe Flair could make Batista pass out in the figure four, but I don't think that's as likely as Batista hitting several high-impact moves.

I just can't vote for Flair. I want to. I really, really want to. I hate Batista, always have. If this were a 2/3 falls match..Flair. If this were a Hardcore match, where Batista didn't have to be laid for a full ten seconds to lose..Flair. If this were a cage match, where Flair could escape out the door while Batista was climbing the cage..Flair. But in a Last Man Standing Match...ughh...I have to vote Batista. I'm sorry.

 

[Big Sexy]

Damn reading some of these responses you'd think Batista was a fucking super hero. Here's a quick scenario for everyone. Batista goes to put Ric Flair through the announce table but AA comes out and they double team the Animal putting him through the table instead. You don't think that could keep him down for 10 seconds?

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He's down much longer then 10 seconds there. Hopefully Booker T is on commentary to make the same call. That's just one of many scenarios where Flair could win.

 

[Tenta]

Look, Coco is going to go for a debate anyway, and quite frankly, I've already had mine with him on Big Show/Andre, so honestly, Flair doesn't mean that much to me want to get into another little tete-e-tete. So I'll just go with the cop out answer, and say that I'm voting for Ric Flair, not so much because I love Flair, but because I hate Batista.

Yes, yes, where was I when Batista was facing Sid? Quite frankly, I care less for Sid than Batista. And I'm really not sure who Batista wrestled last round? Who was it, Page? I figured Page was never going to get his due.

Point being, Batista's last stand as a heel isn't enough to take back the seven years of simply uninteresting television I've been plagued with ever since Deacon Batista went under the wing of D-Von. It's not that his matches aren't great, they aren't supposed to be. But Batista always seemed to just have the same schedule every week. Come out in a swanky shirt. Bitch about not having the title. Demand a rematch. Get cheated out of a win by Booker/Edge/Khali/ Whoever the main heel was of a show that has been sputtering since 2004. Nothing interests me about the guy: Try debating me on that, Coco. I find the guy to be the proverbial turd in the punch bowl. Forced to choose between grainy pictures of Holocaust executions, and a Batista segment up until three months ago, I'd take the Holocaust executions. And as good as this run is, it isn't good enough to erase the seven years of boredom this man has caused me.

You want kayfabe reasoning? Fine, I guess I owe you that. Flair beat Vader. Flair is greater than Vader. Batista isn't half the monster Vader was. Vader is greater than Batista. So by proxy, Flair is better than Batista. Or some shit like that. I always failed Geometry in school

 

[Tastycles]

Batista has a history of losing matches by being a moron. True story. Rey Mysterio kept rolling him up, Jericho spent about a week taking a picece of the cage off to hit him with, and John Cena sellotaped his legs together, all in the last 18 months. Clearly, in a last man standing match, those things may not have worked, but people tend to find a way of beating people more powerful than them in that match. We have seen Cena do it two weeks ago.





I think Flair would probably win this match.

 

[D-Man]

Ric Flair is just superior to Batista in every way. And Batista's history in these matches isn't so good. He's lost plenty of Last Man Standing matches. But Flair would be right at home in this environment.

If everyone can just see past Batista's size and realize that technical/intelligent wrestlers will always defeat power wrestlers, this should be a no-brainer. Flair for the win.

 

[Ferbian]

Somehow I'm fearing a Coco respond to this very post again...

Either way, while it might seem logical to vote for Batista due to his brutality, I still think Ric Flair is gonna be able to pull out a trick or two, Batista seems to rely on brutality, where as Ric Flair is quite a clever wrestler, he'll find a way to keep Batista down, just like he did with Vader.

Ric Flair has defeated so many people, in a large variation of matches, be it Steel Cage matches, singles matches with Shawn Michaels (somehow I don't know how in the world that became a singles match and still allowed to have Ric Flair crash through the tables) the last one being in Ric Flair's later career, and he still won the match, sure it helped that Randy smacked Shawn's head off, but he still won it, nothings to say Ric won't have aid in this one as well.

Ric Flair is gonna be able to pull this one off, sneaky little bastard to be quite honest, and ultimately keep Batista down, some way some how.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

This is an interesting set up. Ric Flair is someone that spent the majority of his career getting the snot kicked out of him in most of his matches, yet managed to come out with a win at the end and retain his title. Ric Flair has been in a number of street fights and cage matches over the course of his career, many of which have exceeded 60 minutes in length. Flair is the much more intelligent wrestler, more resourceful and has a history of holding his own and beating wrestlers much bigger and stronger than he is.

As for Batista, while he's far from a ring general in my view, the man's size and strength advantage over Ric Flair is something that I don't think can just be fairly and casually brushed aside. Batista's offense is typically simple but effective and powerful. Punches, kicks, clotheslines, powerslams, spinebusters, power bombs and spears make up the majority of Batista's offense.

I expect Ric Flair to bleed heavily during this match, he's going to be beaten all over the arena and will barely even be able to stand under his own power when its all said and done. I don't think most of Flair's offense will have much effect on Batista. His chops will do little more than piss him off, even if he uses his superior mat abilities to take Batista off his feet, I don't think he'll be able to keep him there. Flair is going to have to wrestle smarter, not harder in order to get by in this type of setting. Batista strikes me as someone that could get overly confident quite easily, particularly with Flair's face, head and upper chest caked with his own blood. If Flair is able to get in some good, hard shots at Batista's knee with a steel chair and then really go to town on it, then I can see Flair winning.

Once Flair got Batista down, he'd have to be merciless on that knee. Chair shots, using the steel steps, the ring post, the ring apron, his own hands and feet, anything he can think of to damage Batista's knee. Flair would probably have to slap on the figure four during quick intervals otherwise he and Batista both would be counted out. If Flair uses his head, he can win.

As for Batista, I do think it could be easier for him. A few Batista Bombs through some tables, on the steel steps, a steel chair after spending a good 20 minutes ripping Flair apart and I can easily see Batista winning here.

I think I'm going with Flair, though not by much. Flair would be pretty much ruined by the time the match was over, probably only half lucid from a combination of blood loss and other physical trauma. But, I think Flair would be able to take Batista's legs out for just long enough to get the win.