The Young Bucks On Being Criticized For Their Style

[BaconBits]

Ya being worked.

Not really. If they're good heels, I'll watch just to see them get their inevitable comeuppance. If they're just annoying douches, I'm just not going to watch.

And the big problem with all of it is how badly they're going to turn off their original niche audience they day they finally show up in Full Sail. Kenny Omega, too. It's gonna be a shit show.

 

[Барбоса]

I find the suggestion that "wrestling is evolving" to be somewhat incorrect.

If anything, certainly booking wise, with the success of NXT and Lucha Underground, it is devolving back to a time of simple booking and kayfabe.

Oh, and I don't like the Young Bucks largely due to them and their fans claiming that they were the best team in the world when they were barely capable of working a coherent match. Fast-forward a few years to now and they are much better since embracing that "indyrific, non-psychology, superkick party" as their gimmick rather than just it being how they worked a match because they were incapable of much else.

Best team in the world though? Not on your life.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

If the Young Bucks are evolution, or where the business is heading, the world only being 6,000 years old sounds great.

 

[nightmare]

Kind of funny they talk about things being outdated, yet half their gimmick is using phrases/taunts from 20 years ago....

 

[X]

My beef isn't their wrestling. I mean, they're smallish dudes. Of course they're going to use an indyrific move set. I don't know what else people expect them to do.

My beef is their general attitude. You can be slick smartasses without reducing yourself to having to tell everybody how you're "so much better" than everything in the biggest promotion in the world.

So your beef is their confidence? Bret Hart and Ric Flair used to say the same exact shit. The Bucks always come off as good guys in shoots, family men who have been able to make a very comfortable living outside the WWE, to the point they've turned down WWE offers because it's just not worth it to them.

And really, whether you like them or not, they pretty much are the top tag team in the world. Shit I just read an article about them on Sports Illustrated a few weeks back. How often do non WWE guys get PR like that? It helps that they're one of the only organic traditional teams in the world and not just two singles stars thrown together like 95% of them these days.

Really if they aren't then who is?

 

[Coco]

I submit my vote for Scott Dawson and Scott Dawson's partner.

Spoiler

Even I know I'm wrong.

 

[Harthan]

I would be very interested in hearing the opinions of the anti-Bucks folks in the thread on who they would hold up instead as the world's best tag teams based on current performance and total resume, and furthermore, who should have their spot in ROH, PWG, and NJPW if not them, because I don't see that anyone has refuted the idea that they're the perfect fit for the divisions they work in, and I haven't seen any examples of who the best tag teams in the world are - just the opinion that the Bucks are not.

 

[BaconBits]

So your beef is their confidence? Bret Hart and Ric Flair used to say the same exact shit. The Bucks always come off as good guys in shoots, family men who have been able to make a very comfortable living outside the WWE, to the point they've turned down WWE offers because it's just not worth it to them.

And really, whether you like them or not, they pretty much are the top tag team in the world. Shit I just read an article about them on Sports Illustrated a few weeks back. How often do non WWE guys get PR like that? It helps that they're one of the only organic traditional teams in the world and not just two singles stars thrown together like 95% of them these days.

Really if they aren't then who is?

It's not confidence if it isn't genuine, and there's literally nothing genuine about their schtick. The reason I say it's not genuine? Because if being in the WWE is so far "beneath" them, then why in the hell did they attend a WWE tryout?

Here's the deal with that whole"you can make more outside of the WWE on the indies and in Japan": It's mostly bullshit. The WWE pays a talent what they're actually worth. They wouldn't be coming in on the lowball NXT deals everybody likes to mention. None of the other indie darlings did.

 

[Harthan]

It's not confidence if it isn't genuine, and there's literally nothing genuine about their schtick. The reason I say it's not genuine? Because if being in the WWE is so far "beneath" them, then why in the hell did they attend a WWE tryout?

Here's the deal with that whole"you can make more outside of the WWE on the indies and in Japan": It's mostly bullshit. The WWE pays a talent what they're actually worth. They wouldn't be coming in on the lowball NXT deals everybody likes to mention. None of the other indie darlings did.

Yikes, that seems like the bullshit to me here.

There are plenty of guys who get an offer from the WWE that just doesn't make sense given what they could make working, for example, an ROH/NJPW deal like the Bucks. It's weird to me that you would so strongly conflate someone's talent with their proposed WWE salary, considering how many other factors would go into WWE offering someone a contract (age, likelihood of their act translating for the WWE audience, prior health, agent skill, etc).

The WWE offered AJ Styles a super low deal in 2013 that he rejected, and then became universally recognized as among the best in the world, and is now being paid far more by the WWE. They also paid James Storm less than he's currently making in TNA, for example.

It's also really weird to accuse the Bucks of being "indie darlings" considering they work for the second biggest promotion in the world and are contracted to a non-independent company.

 

[Blade]

Totally off topic, but there was a time when the Ascension were the NXT tag team champions. Which is like, what, the fourth or fifth biggest tag team belt in the world? That's crazy.

I submit my vote for Scott Dawson and Scott Dawson's partner.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

I don't like them because I don't find them entertaining.

I don't hate them with a passion like others do though.

 

[X]

It's not confidence if it isn't genuine, and there's literally nothing genuine about their schtick. The reason I say it's not genuine? Because if being in the WWE is so far "beneath" them, then why in the hell did they attend a WWE tryout?

First, please explain how they aren't "genuine", because like someone else said it sounda like you've just been worked by kayfabe interviews. Watch one of their shoots. Secondly please by ALL means point me to a single instance where they claimed the WWE was beneath them (or where I ever implied they said that or I felt they were). Thirdly, have you not ever applied for a job you didn't want? Do you literally not understand the concept of fielding a job offer and seeing if it was a right fit or not? Your "questions' are asinine.

Here's the deal with that whole"you can make more outside of the WWE on the indies and in Japan": It's mostly bullshit. The WWE pays a talent what they're actually worth. They wouldn't be coming in on the lowball NXT deals everybody likes to mention. None of the other indie darlings did.

Christ do you read this nonsense before posting it? Nobody said one fucking thing about anyone's pay outside of the WWE except for me mentioning only the Bucks. Because if you took two minutea to research things you'd discover the Bucks are far and away the highest paid non WWE Americans on the planet. Their merch alone is a booming side business, throw in the highest paid contract in ROH history, one of the top salaries in Japan, and the single highest booking fee in the US indies and they make more than 99% of the NXT roster and most importantly (and the main reason they've turned Vince down) they make that working half the dates the WWE requires. If two people offer me one hundred grand a year and one says I have to work 200 days and the other says I only have to work 100, guess who I'm picking? Specifically if I have young children and would like to actually watch them grow up.

And by the way the only "indie darlings" who didn't get the standard base NXT salaries on signing were Joe, Nakamura, Zayn and Balor. Your entire post is horseshit. Half the people doing the jobs on per date pay are all "indy darlings".

 

[A11oftheLights]

Remember everyone 30 superkicks a match = bad, 30 German suplexes a match = epic.

Bucks would be hugely over in the WWE. All they've done is take the same style teams like the Hardy's and Rockers used to it's logical next step.

Bucks wouldnt be the bucks in the WWE. They'd have to sell and I cant see them being allowed to just rip people off left and right