"The WWE has no character development", right? BULLSHIT!

[EliteDiva]

I agree with you completely!

The mid card is slightly expanding and improving talent- wise.

The WWE also is bringing back the unpredictability as well which draws me to watching the whole show lately.

As for the womens division it is quite stale yet I have to admit I can stand watching it. Plus the WWE hasn't hired much models either perphaps as if they r focusing on talent again.

I do enjoy how the wwe has been pushing the guys to the main event level.

 

[El Rev sXe]

this is my point of view D-Man:

1. New and Improved Tag Team Division

I agree with this. since Edge and Jericho won the titles, all the way through Jerishow, DX (not so much) ShowMiz and The Hart Dynasty, it has improved ALOT! it is in fact waaaaay more interesting to watch rather than the Colons.... However the only critic I have to say is the fact that there isn't a big tag team division. we have the Hart Dynasty, the Uso's, Dudebusters. I don't have a problem with tag teams thar are just "thrown together" but R-Truth and Morrison hmmmm not so good man, not so good. I don't ask for 8945923649 tag teams but I don't want to see the tag titles go between 2 tag teams and one involving Big Show lol.

2. Midcard Titles given storylines and meaning

now with this I'm sorry bro I think I agree like 50% or 60%. I guess that with Kofi and R-Truth as champs both titles are going to have some significance in PPVs amongst other. let me remind you the fact that neither Miz or Mcintyre when they we're champs actually DEFEND IT! now you may say all the Miz/Harts feuds and Mcintyre/Long/Hardy feuds but those fueds wasn't for the IC or US titles, it was for Miz and Mcintyre! yeah it was great angles but did they defend it???I have much more expectations with R.Truth but most with Kofi.

3. Women's division is finally getting some attention.

??????lol I actually don't care about this. there was a time I liked to watch divas wrestle but only if it was Bra n Panties or Lita vs Trish. Now, I don't care, sorry.

4. The main event scene has finally changed and midcard pushes ARE happening.

Swagger and Sheamus...who else?? plus the fact that Swagger is still in test he prove shit! Sheamus in theo ther hand with all the interruptions with Cena, Batista, Orton and the HHH feud he actually became serious. now you say CM Punk, but he has been in WWE for a couple oy yeras, I think since '06, anyway he is 3 times world champ!!! AND HE ALSO has amazing angles. Now, thank god Evan Bourne won a match, a main event!!! but it is too early to say anything about him.

now what I have to agree 100% is the thing that's going with NXT! I mean I love to see the C rated show, even when it was WWECW. it is in fact really interesting to watch. Daniel Bryan/Michael Cole angle is simply AWESOME (pun intented)! amazing thing! I am still expecting great things with the feud between Orton and Edge. but the last time I saw great angle was Jericho/HBK feud, Hardy/CM Punk feud adn Taker/HBK Mania feud. since then I haven't been at the edge of my seat you know.

but I agree that the WWE is becoming better and pleasurable to watch. but specially with RAW not so much with SD!

 

[ripper35]

I am so glad that WWE finally gave this guy a break as a Main Eventer. He is really good if you have seen him in his previous matches. He could be a US r Intercontinental Champion if given a chance to wrestle for those titles. Go AIR BOURNE!

 

[moneymaker17]

I Agree with all except one natalya should be womans then they could have the harts with the all the gold(well close enough) running raw evolution style lol I think it would work

 

[shattered dreams]

Improving is always a good thing but I think much of this thread is an oversell. Did these things improve? Yes. Did they improve a lot? Not really. Then when you consider how bad many of these elements were before it is not exactly something that excites me. Hooray, WWE is slightly less crappy right now, we should all celebrate. The divas still suck (women sucking less is never exciting), the tag "division" is fledging at best, the midcard titles actually seem to be used as props worse than ever IMO and the only new main event pushes have had no build behind them which is a dangerous trend that could hurt the main titles. The danielson-cole thing is a great idea but other than that NXT is unbearably bad at least half the time. If your measure is the lowpoint wwe was in a little while back then the current product is something that might excite you. If it is anything else then I would guess it is still pretty disappointing.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Oh man. Who in the bloody fuck gave this kid a piece of chalk to screw up the sidewalk with. Dammit, now I have to wash this crap down and clean it up. So first, let me start off this Sesame Street grade educational experience by telling all you boys and girls the term of the day and that is...... " WRONG." Remember that kids, because it you will see it repeatedly throughout this retort.

Meanwhile, I'm singing the WWE's praises for MONTHS and MONTHS, pointing out all of these things, showing all of you that changes are coming, and all of the nihilists and cynics just came back at me and said, "You're living in a dream world. The WWE doesn't care. Those storylines are shit", when I said that it was all just the beginning. And where are we now? Let me show you.

Okay kid, show me, so I can see just how WRONG you are. Cuz, to be honest, is two things go right and 18 go wrong, then you are WRONG. It doesn;t make you any less wrong, wrong is wrong kid.

1. New and Improved Tag Team Division
Enter the Hart Dynasty, Dudebusters, possibly Santino/Koslov, and the Uso's.

WRONG! So let me get this straight. Your whole justification for saying that they WWE is starting to get it right is because there are now a whole TWO tag teams on the roster? (and no, I won't count the Dudebusters til they get a win.) So you are completely oblivious to the fact that, during the process of this, the WWE broke up SIX tag teams to now have two? Let me rattle them off to you. Big Show/Miz, R-Truth/Morrison, MVP/Henry, Miz/Jericho, Cryme Tyme, Kozlov/Regal. And you could say seven if you want to count the Straight Edge society in the mix. But dude, by no means does that match mean that the division is up and coming with legitimate contenders. It's dead. One tag team, with an ugly assed mascot for a manager, cutting a promo does not a division make. The division is hurting and needs a major transfusion if it wants to survive. If not, then they might as well put the titles on Christian and Hornswoggle just to get rid of the damned things altogether.

2. Midcard Titles given storylines and meaning.
"The Intercontinental title is being buried, along with the US Title. Wah, wah, wah..."
Enter Drew McKintyre and R-Truth.

WRONG!. So wait, putting two potential exciting titles on the most undeserving wrestlers on the whole friggin WWE roster is a good thing? I really don't see how. I man how fucking long did Drew McKintyre walk around with the fucking IC title before he even defended it? Um, let's see...... HE NEVER FUCKING DEFENDED IT! No wait, he did defend it ONCE against Morrison. Other than that, he has been walking around with the damned thing like Mr. T with a gold necklace. It's a fucking title, not jewelry.

And R-fuckin-Truth? Are you kidding me? Did you see each of this guys last two match and how blow out and sluggish he looks after 5 minutes? He looks like The Great Khali after an Iron Man match. Jericho had to carry him during his last match and the only reason why he has the title is because Morrison is injured. But there is a LONG list of other guys who could have benefited from a US title run. So they put it on an transitional guy? For what? So that they can easily justify if they give it to the rookie Wade Barrett. Hmm. Wait, I like that thought. Cuz anybody is better than Truth. And that the Truth, the whole truth and nothing but.....a fact.

EDIT: Ted DiBiase Jr's Million Dollar Championship storyline is really gaining steam, as well. Thank you, Ferbian, for pointing this out.

Don't even get me started with this shitty storyline. I mean, at least Virgil faced The Million Dollar Man for the belt. I really don't see that happening with anybody else with Jr.. It would have been better to have Dibiase holding the US title and have Virgil carry The Million Dollar title out to the ring as a side note.

3. Women's division is finally getting some attention.

Enter Team Laycool and Eve Torres.

Ahem......WRONG! For one, McCool has pretty much been a singularity around the title for the past two years, about the time that she started blowing Taker. And for two, her having the title again doesn't SOLVE SHIT! Anybody else is a transitional champion to her. I mean just have her go on a Moolah like streak rather than this Ric Flair type shit where the number of times is what equates a great champ. Half the good wrestlers on Smackdown are now down with injuries. And kid, by that math...THAT'S A BAD THING!

Even Torres. Not sure how to address this, so I will just say this. When the challenger gets more push than the champion, it makes the champ look like shit. Plain and simple. And right now, Marysse is still just as exposed and pushed as she was when she was the champ. Even though Eve holds the title, it's still booked as Marysse and then everybody else. So it's pretty much the EXACT same as it was months ago.

4. The main event scene has finally changed and midcard pushes ARE happening.


Enter Sheamus, Jack Swagger, CM Punk, and EVAN BOURNE?!?!

WRONG! Um dude, Jack Swagger, Sheamus, and Punk have been pushed for quite some time now. Sheamus and Punk are Trips boys and Swagger is only holding the title because Trips other pushed boy, McIntyre is starting to piss people off. So it's pretty much the same stale political shit that it's been for quite some time.

And Evan Bourne? Wow, the guy get like his second or third NON-WWE SUPERSTARS win since he's been on the brand and you crown him and automatic hit. Are you fucking kidding me? I'll tell you what, if he actually WRESTLES on the show weekly, then let's explore crowning him as being pushed. Come on dude. By those calculations, Santino should be included for getting his first RAW win in months. It's the same thinking right? Sure it is kid. Sure it is.

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I constantly got ridiculed for continuously praising the WWE and all of these changes. They'd never follow through with it all. The small changes that began to take place weren't making an impact on the product. Nobody gave a shit.

And I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, right? Try and prove me wrong now.

Okay, lets sum this up. ONE thing happens for the first time in a couple of years and you go on a prematurely ejaculated rant about how right you are. Next time check your facts and insert some pure logic and maybe people won't ridicule you. Now run along you scamp and go play, because this obviously is not you cup of tea as you are simply WRONG!

 

[D-Man]

I'll just start off by saying that it's only taking me a while to reply to this post because I was too busy laughing at the amount of immaturity put into it. Just like I put in your red rep, it looks like someone took a shit in your cheerios. Good.

Oh man. Who in the bloody fuck gave this kid a piece of chalk to screw up the sidewalk with. Dammit, now I have to wash this crap down and clean it up. So first, let me start off this Sesame Street grade educational experience by telling all you boys and girls the term of the day and that is...... " WRONG." Remember that kids, because it you will see it repeatedly throughout this retort.

Uh oh... I'm shaking in my boots. Please, school me.

/sarcasm

Okay kid, show me, so I can see just how WRONG you are. Cuz, to be honest, is two things go right and 18 go wrong, then you are WRONG. It doesn;t make you any less wrong, wrong is wrong kid.

Sorry, but I don't speak jive. And I have good grammar. But I'm eagerly awaiting the brilliance that I can expect in your reply, right?

WRONG! So let me get this straight. Your whole justification for saying that they WWE is starting to get it right is because there are now a whole TWO tag teams on the roster? (and no, I won't count the Dudebusters til they get a win.) So you are completely oblivious to the fact that, during the process of this, the WWE broke up SIX tag teams to now have two? Let me rattle them off to you. Big Show/Miz, R-Truth/Morrison, MVP/Henry, Miz/Jericho, Cryme Tyme, Kozlov/Regal. And you could say seven if you want to count the Straight Edge society in the mix. But dude, by no means does that match mean that the division is up and coming with legitimate contenders. It's dead. One tag team, with an ugly assed mascot for a manager, cutting a promo does not a division make. The division is hurting and needs a major transfusion if it wants to survive. If not, then they might as well put the titles on Christian and Hornswoggle just to get rid of the damned things altogether.

So you're conveniently leaving out the Dudebusters for the asenine reason of the fact that they haven't gotten a win yet, you actually included Regal/Kozlov and Morrison/Truth as tag teams in your equation (when they only lasted on television for about 15 minutes), and you actually said that the WWE broke up the SES? If that's not enough to make your argument look completely ridiculous, I'd just like to explain that in no way, shape, or form did I say "the WWE is 100% fixed of its flaws." I merely said that they have obviously improved the division. And if you actually think that it's declined, you're a blind man.

WRONG!. So wait, putting two potential exciting titles on the most undeserving wrestlers on the whole friggin WWE roster is a good thing? I really don't see how. I man how fucking long did Drew McKintyre walk around with the fucking IC title before he even defended it? Um, let's see...... HE NEVER FUCKING DEFENDED IT! No wait, he did defend it ONCE against Morrison. Other than that, he has been walking around with the damned thing like Mr. T with a gold necklace. It's a fucking title, not jewelry.

And R-fuckin-Truth? Are you kidding me? Did you see each of this guys last two match and how blow out and sluggish he looks after 5 minutes? He looks like The Great Khali after an Iron Man match. Jericho had to carry him during his last match and the only reason why he has the title is because Morrison is injured. But there is a LONG list of other guys who could have benefited from a US title run. So they put it on an transitional guy? For what? So that they can easily justify if they give it to the rookie Wade Barrett. Hmm. Wait, I like that thought. Cuz anybody is better than Truth. And that the Truth, the whole truth and nothing but.....a fact.

Your opinion has become fact? Interesting logic. Too bad you look like a total moron in every one of these arguments. I'm almost inclined to let it speak for itself, but it's fun to laugh at your statements and not break a sweat with my rebuttles. You've completely over-analyzed a show that is supposed to cater to children.

So because you are the only person out there that believes Drew and Truth are "undeserving" of titles, that means the division is still shit. Well, you'd be absolutely right if those men WEREN'T deserving. But for a man that is one of the most over competitors on Raw and another man that is one of the quickest rising heels on Smackdown, you're saying their undeserving? Obviously, they've deserved their titles if the crowd has given them as much support as we've witnessed. Are you sure you've been watching the right television shows? Put the pipe down, man...

Your arguments about R-Truth's inadequacies have to do with his conditioning? Man, you're nitpicking a bit, aren't you? The crowd goes absolutely ballistic when he comes out. And that's who's being entertained, after all.

And your arguments against Drew have to do with his lack of defending the title? Don't ya think that's a big reason why he's getting his heel heat? He doesn't NEED to defend the title. He's got Vince in his back pocket. That's all the backing he needs to be over as a heel.

Don't even get me started with this shitty storyline. I mean, at least Virgil faced The Million Dollar Man for the belt. I really don't see that happening with anybody else with Jr.. It would have been better to have Dibiase holding the US title and have Virgil carry The Million Dollar title out to the ring as a side note.

Once again, you stand alone on another completely opinionated statement. You might be, like, the ONLY person that doesn't see Ted's storyline with the Million Dollar Championship as being smart for his character development. But, how can I argue against a horrible opinion... I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

Ahem......WRONG! For one, McCool has pretty much been a singularity around the title for the past two years, about the time that she started blowing Taker. And for two, her having the title again doesn't SOLVE SHIT! Anybody else is a transitional champion to her. I mean just have her go on a Moolah like streak rather than this Ric Flair type shit where the number of times is what equates a great champ. Half the good wrestlers on Smackdown are now down with injuries. And kid, by that math...THAT'S A BAD THING!

Even Torres. Not sure how to address this, so I will just say this. When the challenger gets more push than the champion, it makes the champ look like shit. Plain and simple. And right now, Marysse is still just as exposed and pushed as she was when she was the champ. Even though Eve holds the title, it's still booked as Marysse and then everybody else. So it's pretty much the EXACT same as it was months ago.

More opinionated crapola. And I think I'm starting to get the trend here; when you personally don't like a wrestler of storyline, it completely negates any television time, storyline development, or character changes that has been given to them over the past 12 months of programming.

You bark and rant and rave about one wrestler making another one look weak just by merely defeating them?!? For the love of God, people need to lose matches every once in a while! Is an undefeated streak the only way that a wrestler gets pushed, in your eyes? You're an extremely needy fan, aren't ya?

WRONG! Um dude, Jack Swagger, Sheamus, and Punk have been pushed for quite some time now. Sheamus and Punk are Trips boys and Swagger is only holding the title because Trips other pushed boy, McIntyre is starting to piss people off. So it's pretty much the same stale political shit that it's been for quite some time.

Yes, they've been pushed for a while. If you don't recall, they were the first ones to start this trend of improved booking and development by the WWE. What, are you only judging the past two weeks of programming in your thought process? Contrary to your beliefs, character development takes TIME.

But, of course, you start in on the smarky "Sheamus is HHH's weightlifting partner" bullshit. Hasn't the guy proven himself by now? You're very hard to please. And as for the rest of your explanation, I honestly don't know if I was reading English or some foreign language. Did you say that Swagger was only given a title because HHH pushed Sheamus? What the FUCK does that have to do with anything?!? They're on two completely different television shows, for cryin' out loud! And you saw one backstage report last week about Drew not meshing well with other wrestlers, and now you think that the past 3 months of his development are now null and void?!?

And Evan Bourne? Wow, the guy get like his second or third NON-WWE SUPERSTARS win since he's been on the brand and you crown him and automatic hit. Are you fucking kidding me? I'll tell you what, if he actually WRESTLES on the show weekly, then let's explore crowning him as being pushed. Come on dude. By those calculations, Santino should be included for getting his first RAW win in months. It's the same thinking right? Sure it is kid. Sure it is.

This is the only thing I can agree with you on. Sure, out of nowhere, the guy was shoved into the main event of Monday Night Raw after having an unbelievable losing streak. But when was the last tie you saw something like that happen? When was the last time the most over heel and babyface on Raw had segments dedicated to an unknown midcarder, only to have him join in a main event match and pin a former world champion? That's a big deal.

And what the FUCK does this have to do with Santino? Just because Bourne got the rub on Monday, I'm not saying that the entire roster is going to follow, you dimwit. Your thinking pattern is very unique, but completely outside the box.

Okay, lets sum this up. ONE thing happens for the first time in a couple of years and you go on a prematurely ejaculated rant about how right you are. Next time check your facts and insert some pure logic and maybe people won't ridicule you. Now run along you scamp and go play, because this obviously is not you cup of tea as you are simply WRONG!

It's only "one thing" because you decided to disagree, over-analyze it all, and try and change everyone's views on it all. Listen, if you don't like the product, then so be it. But just because YOU don't like it, that means it doesn't exist? Come on... get out of your dream world of ignorance.

In closing, I've discovered that you truly are the quintessential definition of a smark. After trying to decipher your ebonics, I've found that your over-analyzation, over-booking, and over-rationale of the WWE's product is just completely stopping you from accepting the obvious. Not to mention the fact that out of 31 replies in this thread, you're the only one with this thinking pattern. That should really say something.

I've given plenty of backup for my reasoning, and this debate is a complete waste of my time, considering that it's opinionated, overreacting, moronic, and abrasive. So I'm not going to retort if you choose to reply again. Wallow in your negativity alone. I'm going to sit here an enjoy the great product that the WWE continues to present us.

"Aight, kid? Cuz? G-money flow? Word to your mutha..." <folds arms>

 

[Slack]

Weren't Jackson and Koslov the tag team with Regal being more of the leader? Also didn't the Dudebusters win a couple matches on ECW?

Now I will say this, just because Bourne was in a main event match, doesn't really mean that he's getting a main event push. Remember Mark Henry and MVP were also in main event matches, but never really got that main event push.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

There are multiple on here bitching and complaining about the original point about the tag-division. This thread is about character development, not character developed. The fuck were you guys expecting, the WWE to pull a fully developed tag division out of their assholes over a course of four shows? They're developing a tag division, and it's coming along great. The only thing that's left to do is to establish some wicked feuds between the guys, and we'll have your developed tag division.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

I'll just start off by saying that it's only taking me a while to reply to this post because I was too busy laughing at the amount of immaturity put into it. Just like I put in your red rep, it looks like someone took a shit in your cheerios. Good.

Um yeah. Let's see. How can one make a comment about the levels of another's immaturity and then negate said comment with a line about shit and cheerios? Hmm. Well I think the above statement does that quite elegantly, if you ask me. Kid, I have been getting red rep here longer than you been pissing standing up. Green rep, red rep. Pretty much it's all the same. It just means that someone took the time to read what you wrote and gave their opinion. When done correctly, it's quite a wonderful thing. When just done out of spite, it's nothing more than a pissing contest. I assume by your last line that you lacked the creativity to make it anything worth caring about.

Uh oh... I'm shaking in my boots. Please, school me.

/sarcasm

Okay.

Sorry, but I don't speak jive. And I have good grammar. But I'm eagerly awaiting the brilliance that I can expect in your reply, right?

Ah, good old fashioned racism. The lowest common denominator of a debate. And all from the assumption that when I say "kid", it's some sort of term like "homie", "home slice", "dawg", or some lesser term of endearment. And that is far from the truth. When I say "kid", it's an age thing. It's an old man calling an juvenile aged person "kid". But wow, the call it "jive" and "ebonics"? wow, there "sonny", that is truly truly ignorant and narrow minded. tsk tsk tsk.

So you're conveniently leaving out the Dudebusters for the asenine reason of the fact that they haven't gotten a win yet, you actually included Regal/Kozlov and Morrison/Truth as tag teams in your equation (when they only lasted on television for about 15 minutes), and you actually said that the WWE broke up the SES? If that's not enough to make your argument look completely ridiculous, I'd just like to explain that in no way, shape, or form did I say "the WWE is 100% fixed of its flaws." I merely said that they have obviously improved the division. And if you actually think that it's declined, you're a blind man.

No, I'm laving out The Dudebusters because they are the ONLY tag team left on Smackdown and yet get NO time at development other than a comment or two from Striker about them playing Wii. And THAT, compounded with the fact that they haven't even garnered a win yet, pretty much negates them from the argument. Why? Because all seven teams that I named have AT LEAST one win in prime time and een some sort of development time onscreen. So as I said, TWO teams does not a division make, ESPECIALLY when you have THREE shows with which to develop at least one more and choose not to.

Your opinion has become fact? Interesting logic. Too bad you look like a total moron in every one of these arguments. I'm almost inclined to let it speak for itself, but it's fun to laugh at your statements and not break a sweat with my rebuttles. You've completely over-analyzed a show that is supposed to cater to children.

Wow, I look like a moron giving easily accessible evidence to back up what I say while you talk out of your ass? Sorry, but you can't wish yourself to be correct. Look at Truth's NON-TAG TEAM matches lately. He is huffing his ass off and blowing a lung out shortly into the match. His conditioning is poor there is nothing special about his gimmick to merit holding a title that at least ten others could have truly benefited from holding right now. And while the show caters to children, it's still supposed to put on decent (notice I said decent) matches. I mean hell, people would rip TNA another hole for this and yet we aren't supposed to criticize WWE for it? Who in the hell are you kidding?

So because you are the only person out there that believes Drew and Truth are "undeserving" of titles, that means the division is still shit. Well, you'd be absolutely right if those men WEREN'T deserving. But for a man that is one of the most over competitors on Raw and another man that is one of the quickest rising heels on Smackdown, you're saying their undeserving? Obviously, they've deserved their titles if the crowd has given them as much support as we've witnessed. Are you sure you've been watching the right television shows? Put the pipe down, man...

See? There you go again, not reading. I said Drew holding the title was pointless as it because just as meaningless as the Million Dollar belt. I mean why put a hot champ out there like Morrison to put on weekly matches built around the IC title just the stagnate it and have a champ just walk around with it, without any storylines surrounding it? And you can read up above for Truth and then insert it here as it's applicable in this spot as well. Put the pipe down? Wow, you really do pride yourself on your ignorance and low iq huh?

Your arguments about R-Truth's inadequacies have to do with his conditioning? Man, you're nitpicking a bit, aren't you? The crowd goes absolutely ballistic when he comes out. And that's who's being entertained, after all.

Ah yes, that makes sense. So the whole way that we should judge the quality of a match is by the wrestler's entrance? You, my boy, have discovered the ultimate secret to quality wrestling! Have two wrestlers come out to kick ass entrances, do pose offs, and then the crowd goes home happy. SHEER GENIUS! No longer does quality matter or a wrestlers ability to carry a match. No. Your formula is now the gold standard! Bravo young man! Bravo!

And your arguments against Drew have to do with his lack of defending the title? Don't ya think that's a big reason why he's getting his heel heat? He doesn't NEED to defend the title. He's got Vince in his back pocket. That's all the backing he needs to be over as a heel.

Yes, like the heat that surrounded Hornswoggle when he held a title? Look. The title just came off of a champion where you build storylines around the title. In order to keep the heat on the TITLE, you have the next champ at least treat it as more than just an accessory to his costume. That's how you kill a title. And since when do you NEED both the title AND Vince in your back pocket to get over as a heel? Answer is that don't. Now defending the title AND having Vince in your back pocket makes sense. This? Nope.

Once again, you stand alone on another completely opinionated statement. You might be, like, the ONLY person that doesn't see Ted's storyline with the Million Dollar Championship as being smart for his character development. But, how can I argue against a horrible opinion... I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

And I stand by my opinion. Why? Because you are throwing a parade over the title when THAT is not the aspect of his character development. Him being RICH is. So why are you going apeshit over the title when it's nothing more that costume jewelry and NOT the storyline of his push?

More opinionated crapola. And I think I'm starting to get the trend here; when you personally don't like a wrestler of storyline, it completely negates any television time, storyline development, or character changes that has been given to them over the past 12 months of programming.

Please explain to me what changes have been made. When McCool came into the WWE, she had the exact same gimmick that she has now. The only thing that she has changed is her wrestling gear, and that was only one time. And what I stated was that if you want her to hold title title, then why not bring back a classic storyline like when Moolah was a heel champ instead of shifting it back and forth between her and whoever else transitions the title back to her. Next time read rather BEFORE you remark.

You bark and rant and rave about one wrestler making another one look weak just by merely defeating them?!? For the love of God, people need to lose matches every once in a while! Is an undefeated streak the only way that a wrestler gets pushed, in your eyes? You're an extremely needy fan, aren't ya?

Sigh. Must we? Okay. If you look at booking, push, and all of the factors that go into Maryse's current status, they rank higher than Eve, who holds the title. I never even got into wins and loses, as you assume, I was talking about the overall booking.

Yes, they've been pushed for a while. If you don't recall, they were the first ones to start this trend of improved booking and development by the WWE. What, are you only judging the past two weeks of programming in your thought process? Contrary to your beliefs, character development takes TIME.

Sorry, I'm not seeing a trend of improved booking. It's the same booking that has been going on for months. And if the thesis of your first argument was that booking has improved, then aren't you, by proxy, making a statement that something was wrong or stagnant in the booking prior to your statement(ie the current booking)? And thusly, by you saying that it takes time, aren't you in fact lessing the significance of the time that it has already taken to do the exact same booking? Hmm. Food for thought.

But, of course, you start in on the smarky "Sheamus is HHH's weightlifting partner" bullshit. Hasn't the guy proven himself by now? You're very hard to please. And as for the rest of your explanation, I honestly don't know if I was reading English or some foreign language. Did you say that Swagger was only given a title because HHH pushed Sheamus? What the FUCK does that have to do with anything?!? They're on two completely different television shows, for cryin' out loud! And you saw one backstage report last week about Drew not meshing well with other wrestlers, and now you think that the past 3 months of his development are now null and void?!?

Sigh. For one, I never said that Sheamus isn;t good. And for one, I never said he wasn't a welcomed sight in the picture. Hell, that pale beast gimmick works well for him and he milks it. But you were here blowing the winds of change and offering them such a reach around that I had to point out that nothing has changed yet. I could care less WHO Trips lifts weights with, but I do care when people try and tell me to watch the change that's going down when I'm still seeing the exact same thing that's been there for months.

This is the only thing I can agree with you on. Sure, out of nowhere, the guy was shoved into the main event of Monday Night Raw after having an unbelievable losing streak. But when was the last tie you saw something like that happen? When was the last time the most over heel and babyface on Raw had segments dedicated to an unknown midcarder, only to have him join in a main event match and pin a former world champion? That's a big deal.

You know, what I will return the favor and agree with you here as well. But one main event does not change make. If Orton were healthy or Batista wasn't gone, where would he be? I mean he is over. He is clearly one of the most over guys on the brand. Hands down. But, as I said, one main event does not change make. Give me three weeks of solid stuff and you will win me over. And no, we won't count the crappy moonwalk from last week as one of them.

And what the FUCK does this have to do with Santino? Just because Bourne got the rub on Monday, I'm not saying that the entire roster is going to follow, you dimwit. Your thinking pattern is very unique, but completely outside the box.

Ah, I see one reads but fails to comprehend. So here, let me "dumb it down" for you. Your theory is that since Bourne has garnered the first singles win on RAW in months that "change is a happenin" right? Well, by your theory, Santino should also be included in talks of change right? I mean the guy is over as hell, he won a singles match. Same as Bourne. So why should be be left out when they have traveled parallel roads? I never the entire roster, I took two similarities and showed a connection. To assume more is just ridiculous.

It's only "one thing" because you decided to disagree, over-analyze it all, and try and change everyone's views on it all. Listen, if you don't like the product, then so be it. But just because YOU don't like it, that means it doesn't exist? Come on... get out of your dream world of ignorance.

Sigh. There you go, assuming I don't like the product. I swear, if I had a nickel for every snot nosed kid who made that statement over the 28 years that I have been watching wrestling, then I would have millions. Yes there young man, I have been watching wrestling longer than you and probably a younger sibling combined have been alive. And I keep hearing the whole "winds of change" speech every year and it never truly happens and isn't getting any more original.

In closing, I've discovered that you truly are the quintessential definition of a smark. After trying to decipher your ebonics, I've found that your over-analyzation, over-booking, and over-rationale of the WWE's product is just completely stopping you from accepting the obvious. Not to mention the fact that out of 31 replies in this thread, you're the only one with this thinking pattern. That should really say something.

Well for one, I'm not a smark. I'm a wrestling fan. Been so for over two and a half decades. I have time in, so I'm entitled to my opinion. And I'm not sure what ebonics would have to do with it as I have a masters degree and don;t speak ebonics anyway. When I call you kid, it's because you are one. Plain and simple.

I've given plenty of backup for my reasoning, and this debate is a complete waste of my time, considering that it's opinionated, overreacting, moronic, and abrasive. So I'm not going to retort if you choose to reply again. Wallow in your negativity alone. I'm going to sit here an enjoy the great product that the WWE continues to present us.

Actually you gave NO backup to your reasoning. You pretty much dropped to your knees and started blowing the winds of change in all of it's Clinton-esque glory and I pointed out that you were wrong. You are STILL wrong, as it's too early to go around with your chest out like the prick of the week saying how right you were when there's nothing even there to be puffed up about yet. Face it kid, you are lacking enough substance to claim such right now. You blew your load way to early. tsk tsk tsk

"Aight, kid? Cuz? G-money flow? Word to your mutha..." <folds arms>

Wow, to finish with a black joke. Wow. Way to show your pure ignorance. I said bloody to start out my rant and yet you didn't make any British jokes and yet you sink to the lowest common denominator hoping that somebody will high five you for your ignorance. You know, your response might have actually been taken seriously and have some merit if not for such sad comment. I would like to think it's beneath you but I'm sure you probably was think of saying worse but just didn't to get infracted for using other more "colorful" statements. I'm sorry, I'm going to stop right here because, after reading the sheer moronic aptitude presented with that last statement, I find that my head is shaking more than a 67 year old grandmother with CP.

 

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In regards to the original post, the only thing I have a problem with is Piggy James being a "good angle". I'm sorry, but that angle was shit. If it was actually designed to get McCool over as a heel, then I'd buy it, but it wasn't. It was designed to bury Mickie, who was on her way out, six feet under in the worst way possible. If it wasn't, it would've ended at the Royal Rumble. I will freely admit that McCool and Layla are now the top heel divas in WWE and an excellent counterpart to TNA's Beautiful People, but to me, the angle that created them was beyond awful.

Anyway, moving on.

Um yeah. Let's see. How can one make a comment about the levels of another's immaturity and then negate said comment with a line about shit and cheerios?

That would require a sense of humour. You should probably get one, I hear they're useful.

Kid, I have been getting red rep here longer than you been pissing standing up.

Don't give a shit.

No, I'm laving out The Dudebusters because they are the ONLY tag team left on Smackdown and yet get NO time at development other than a comment or two from Striker about them playing Wii.

Ever consider the fact that WWE realized that they suck ass and decided to just leave them alone? Because they do. Suck ass, that is.

And THAT, compounded with the fact that they haven't even garnered a win yet, pretty much negates them from the argument.

And this just supports my initial argument.

So as I said, TWO teams does not a division make, ESPECIALLY when you have THREE shows with which to develop at least one more and choose not to.

Let's face facts: The tag-team division has been pretty much dead for years. Hence why WWE unified their two tag titles to begin with. Obviously, if WWE is going to change that, it'll take some time. You can't expect then to snap their fingers and POOF, we have twenty tag teams like back in the olden days. And even if they did, you'd probably complain that there's too many tag teams and none of them are properly developed. People like you just can't be pleased.

Wow, I look like a moron giving easily accessible evidence to back up what I say while you talk out of your ass? Sorry, but you can't wish yourself to be correct.

Neither can you. Your "easily accessible evidence" backs up YOUR OPINION. That's what you need to remember, you're giving an opinion. Not fact. You trying to pass it off as fact just makes you look like an arrogant prick who doesn't know what he's talking about but wants to think he does.

Look at Truth's NON-TAG TEAM matches lately. He is huffing his ass off and blowing a lung out shortly into the match. His conditioning is poor there is nothing special about his gimmick to merit holding a title that at least ten others could have truly benefited from holding right now.

And yet people still cheer for him and get into the "what's up" thing he does. I'd say he's doing something right.

And while the show caters to children, it's still supposed to put on decent (notice I said decent) matches.

Oh, right, I forgot, you want twenty-minute mat classics on every night where the wrestlers use every move they can and some they can't. If they did that, what would be the point in buying PPVs? You can just watch the stuff for free on TV! Then WWE would lose money and eventually go bankrupt because no one's buying PPVs, their most important product.

I mean hell, people would rip TNA another hole for this and yet we aren't supposed to criticize WWE for it? Who in the hell are you kidding?

Here's what you need to understand. Weekday wrestling shows are designed to further storylines and make people buy PPVs to see how they end. WWE matches, while not technically sound or interesting, further storylines. TNA matches don't. They usually just get thrown out there without warning or reason, leaving people confused and eventually annoyed. Considering you've apparently been watching this for so long, I'm surprised you didn't already figure this out.

I said Drew holding the title was pointless as it because just as meaningless as the Million Dollar belt. I mean why put a hot champ out there like Morrison to put on weekly matches built around the IC title just the stagnate it and have a champ just walk around with it, without any storylines surrounding it?

Morrison was having trouble getting over. People assumed he'd be next in line for a world title shot, but was given the IC Title instead, a title he'd held a few times already. He was having trouble getting over with the crowd when people realized his promo skills weren't up to snuff. It was given to McIntyre to help build him as the next big heel, and it seems to be working so far.

Ah yes, that makes sense. So the whole way that we should judge the quality of a match is by the wrestler's entrance? You, my boy, have discovered the ultimate secret to quality wrestling! Have two wrestlers come out to kick ass entrances, do pose offs, and then the crowd goes home happy. SHEER GENIUS! No longer does quality matter or a wrestlers ability to carry a match. No. Your formula is now the gold standard! Bravo young man! Bravo!

Who's not reading now? You seem to forget the most important part of wrestling: entertainment. The whole reason people watch wrestling is to be entertained. Whether it be through matches, promos, looks, or whatever, a wrestler's job is to entertain. R-Truth is doing just that, as the crowd gets into his entrance and cheers him during his matches. He's doing his job right, which is more than what can be said for Morrison. Yes, he's good in the ring, but people don't have a reason to cheer for him. Just because YOU don't like someone, doesn't mean no one else will.

Yes, like the heat that surrounded Hornswoggle when he held a title?

Hornswoggle gets heat because he's Hornswoggle. Argument invalid.

And since when do you NEED both the title AND Vince in your back pocket to get over as a heel? Answer is that don't. Now defending the title AND having Vince in your back pocket makes sense. This? Nope.

Heat from holding a title unfairly + heat from being best buddies with a heel boss = more and more heat in general. McIntyre may be the most hated heel on Smackdown right now, second only to Swagger and/or CM Punk. The fact that he cheats to win or puts virtually no effort into his matches and gets away with it adds to that heat. Now, I'll be the first to say that he should actually, you know, WRESTLE in a match, but I'll admit he gets the job done. The marks hate him because of his character, while the smarks hate him because he doesn't actually wrestle, even though we know he can. It works, and that's what matters.

And I stand by my opinion. Why? Because you are throwing a parade over the title when THAT is not the aspect of his character development. Him being RICH is. So why are you going apeshit over the title when it's nothing more that costume jewelry and NOT the storyline of his push?

The title adds to his persona of the rich daddy's boy. That's how it worked with his dad. But then again, being the esteemed wrestling veteran, you would know all about that, right?

Please explain to me what changes have been made. When McCool came into the WWE, she had the exact same gimmick that she has now. The only thing that she has changed is her wrestling gear, and that was only one time.

McCool is still the evil hot teacher? Damn, how'd I miss that?

And what I stated was that if you want her to hold title title, then why not bring back a classic storyline like when Moolah was a heel champ instead of shifting it back and forth between her and whoever else transitions the title back to her.

Moolah held the title for TWENTY-SIX YEARS, and the women's division was pretty much stagnant back then. How in the hell would that work in today's environment, with today's fanbase?

Sigh. Must we? Okay. If you look at booking, push, and all of the factors that go into Maryse's current status, they rank higher than Eve, who holds the title. I never even got into wins and loses, as you assume, I was talking about the overall booking.

I agree, hence why Eve was given the title. WWE is very low on face divas now, so they want someone to hold that position. Eve has improved a lot since she first appeared, so obviously, they want her to get over. They gave her title and are giving her more screen time to do just that. Again, it takes time and patience, which you seem to lack.

Sorry, I'm not seeing a trend of improved booking. It's the same booking that has been going on for months.

How so? Please explain.

Sigh. For one, I never said that Sheamus isn;t good. And for one, I never said he wasn't a welcomed sight in the picture. Hell, that pale beast gimmick works well for him and he milks it. But you were here blowing the winds of change and offering them such a reach around that I had to point out that nothing has changed yet. I could care less WHO Trips lifts weights with, but I do care when people try and tell me to watch the change that's going down when I'm still seeing the exact same thing that's been there for months.

Sheamus won the world title a few months after his RAW debut, after he'd been with the company for barely a year. I'd say that's a pretty big change.

You know, what I will return the favor and agree with you here as well. But one main event does not change make. If Orton were healthy or Batista wasn't gone, where would he be? I mean he is over. He is clearly one of the most over guys on the brand. Hands down. But, as I said, one main event does not change make. Give me three weeks of solid stuff and you will win me over. And no, we won't count the crappy moonwalk from last week as one of them.

And again, you clearly misread this entire thread. It. Takes. Time. If Evan Bourne is actually getting a push, it's going to take a while for it to work. The point of this thread was to say that change is COMING, not that change HAS COME. Get some patience and fucking wait. See what happens. Don't discount it just because it hasn't happened as fast as you want it to.

Ah, I see one reads but fails to comprehend. So here, let me "dumb it down" for you. Your theory is that since Bourne has garnered the first singles win on RAW in months that "change is a happenin" right? Well, by your theory, Santino should also be included in talks of change right? I mean the guy is over as hell, he won a singles match. Same as Bourne. So why should be be left out when they have traveled parallel roads? I never the entire roster, I took two similarities and showed a connection. To assume more is just ridiculous.

When Bourne first appeared in ECW, he was shown as a hot new youngster with an impressive finisher. He was over with the fans and managed to get an ECW title shot. He then got injured, came back, and his push was gone, but his character was the same. They now seem to be resuming his push. Santino has always been known as a comedy character, and comedy characters don't main event PPVs, unless they can also play the role of sympathetic underdog, like Mick Foley. Can't compare the two.

Sigh. There you go, assuming I don't like the product.

Well gee, considering your attitude, can you really blame him?

I swear, if I had a nickel for every snot nosed kid who made that statement over the 28 years that I have been watching wrestling, then I would have millions. Yes there young man, I have been watching wrestling longer than you and probably a younger sibling combined have been alive.

Let me think.......nope, still don't give a shit.

And I keep hearing the whole "winds of change" speech every year and it never truly happens and isn't getting any more original.

Wrestling has been rehashing storylines for years and years, and it looks to continue doing so. If you want something absolutely truly original, you should probably look elsewhere.

Well for one, I'm not a smark.

Bullshit.

I'm a wrestling fan. Been so for over two and a half decades.

Wait, wait, wait......no, no, sorry, STILL don't give a shit.

I have time in, so I'm entitled to my opinion.

So is everyone else. You having "time in" doesn't make your opinion any better than anyone else's. Shocking, I know.

When I call you kid, it's because you are one. Plain and simple.

And when I call you "asshole" or "prick" or "arrogant whiny smark", it's because you are one. Plain and simple.

Actually you gave NO backup to your reasoning.

You must not have actually read the large first post in this thread, I take it.

You pretty much dropped to your knees and started blowing the winds of change in all of it's Clinton-esque glory and I pointed out that you were wrong. You are STILL wrong, as it's too early to go around with your chest out like the prick of the week saying how right you were when there's nothing even there to be puffed up about yet.

And what did you do? "My opinion is better than yours because I've been watching this longer than you"? Whoopdy-motherfucking-do. Pretty much any tidbit of information you give as a "veteran fan" can be looked up by anyone with a computer and an internet connection. So what makes you so special?

 

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Um yeah. Let's see. How can one make a comment about the levels of another's immaturity and then negate said comment with a line about shit and cheerios?

Wait a minute... I make a comment about someone shitting in your cheerios and that's immature, but you calling me uneducated and saying something about chalking up a sidewalk and you "clean it up" isn't immature? Pot, Kettle, moron.

Kid, I have been getting red rep here longer than you been pissing standing up.

Oh, good. So I'm not the only person who finds you to be a blubbering, ignorant, moronic, windbag. Glad that's cleared up.

It just means that someone took the time to read what you wrote and gave their opinion. When done correctly, it's quite a wonderful thing.

You're right. You can start at any time now.

Ah, good old fashioned racism. The lowest common denominator of a debate. And all from the assumption that when I say "kid", it's some sort of term like "homie", "home slice", "dawg", or some lesser term of endearment. And that is far from the truth. When I say "kid", it's an age thing. It's an old man calling an juvenile aged person "kid". But wow, the call it "jive" and "ebonics"? wow, there "sonny", that is truly truly ignorant and narrow minded. tsk tsk tsk.

If you were white, I would've said the same thing. Speaking about "jive" merely implies flawed speech on your part. Let me know when I mentioned your skin color.

Besides, how "young" do you think I am, anyway?

No, I'm laving out The Dudebusters because they are the ONLY tag team left on Smackdown and yet get NO time at development other than a comment or two from Striker about them playing Wii. And THAT, compounded with the fact that they haven't even garnered a win yet, pretty much negates them from the argument. Why? Because all seven teams that I named have AT LEAST one win in prime time and een some sort of development time onscreen. So as I said, TWO teams does not a division make, ESPECIALLY when you have THREE shows with which to develop at least one more and choose not to.

But they're a tandem tag team, are they not? What the fuck do wins or losses have to do with it? You can't just make up completely illogical reasoning in order to make a point of yours seem valid. Here's a tip: it actually makes you look dumber than you already are.

Wow, I look like a moron giving easily accessible evidence to back up what I say while you talk out of your ass? Sorry, but you can't wish yourself to be correct. Look at Truth's NON-TAG TEAM matches lately. He is huffing his ass off and blowing a lung out shortly into the match. His conditioning is poor there is nothing special about his gimmick to merit holding a title that at least ten others could have truly benefited from holding right now. And while the show caters to children, it's still supposed to put on decent (notice I said decent) matches. I mean hell, people would rip TNA another hole for this and yet we aren't supposed to criticize WWE for it? Who in the hell are you kidding?

Seriously? You're still defending yourself with this conditioning thing? So the crowd's deafening roar means nothing, right? Or his unique ring entrance? Or his microphone skills? Or his likeability factor? That's right. All of that is null and void because he got out of breath for wrestling a 250lb man for 14 minutes.

See? There you go again, not reading. I said Drew holding the title was pointless as it because just as meaningless as the Million Dollar belt. I mean why put a hot champ out there like Morrison to put on weekly matches built around the IC title just the stagnate it and have a champ just walk around with it, without any storylines surrounding it? And you can read up above for Truth and then insert it here as it's applicable in this spot as well. Put the pipe down? Wow, you really do pride yourself on your ignorance and low iq huh?

I'll tell you why... HEEL HEAT. And there's no story surrounding it? He's being portrayed as bulletproof because of Vince McMahon's support. And he's currently in a mixed feud with Teddy Long, Matt Hardy, AND Kofi Kingston. Plus, he defended the title against Kane, Morrison, and Matt Hardy. What show have you been watching??

Ah yes, that makes sense. So the whole way that we should judge the quality of a match is by the wrestler's entrance? You, my boy, have discovered the ultimate secret to quality wrestling! Have two wrestlers come out to kick ass entrances, do pose offs, and then the crowd goes home happy. SHEER GENIUS! No longer does quality matter or a wrestlers ability to carry a match. No. Your formula is now the gold standard! Bravo young man! Bravo!

First of all, I'm not talking about his actual ring entrace, you twit. I'm talking about using that as a catalyst to explain his likability factor. If the crowd isn't into him, his career is basically over.

And match quality = conditioning? I could have sworn that we left out a few factors in this equation. Call me crazy...

Yes, like the heat that surrounded Hornswoggle when he held a title? Look. The title just came off of a champion where you build storylines around the title. In order to keep the heat on the TITLE, you have the next champ at least treat it as more than just an accessory to his costume. That's how you kill a title. And since when do you NEED both the title AND Vince in your back pocket to get over as a heel? Answer is that don't. Now defending the title AND having Vince in your back pocket makes sense. This? Nope.

HORNSWOGGLE? THAT'S your argument? Were you actually watching the show when we all found out that the title was thrown on him in order to defunct it? It's apples and oranges. Hornswoggle's character doesn't even have the ability to SPEAK, let alone carry a title for a lengthy period of time. And on the subject of speaking, while Drew was drawing his heat, he was cutting fantastic promos. You can tell by the crowd's reaction. But I'm sure you'll cut it down with your skewed opinion and then say that because you think that way, it's gospel, right??

And I stand by my opinion. Why? Because you are throwing a parade over the title when THAT is not the aspect of his character development. Him being RICH is. So why are you going apeshit over the title when it's nothing more that costume jewelry and NOT the storyline of his push?

It's a prop, man. It's not even a real title. It's meant to give him more heat as a heel and it's working tremendously.

Please explain to me what changes have been made. When McCool came into the WWE, she had the exact same gimmick that she has now. The only thing that she has changed is her wrestling gear, and that was only one time. And what I stated was that if you want her to hold title title, then why not bring back a classic storyline like when Moolah was a heel champ instead of shifting it back and forth between her and whoever else transitions the title back to her. Next time read rather BEFORE you remark.

I already explained. If you couldn't read it the first time, that's not my fault.

You say McCool has the same gimmick as when she first came in?? WHAT?? First of all, she was a Divas Search contestant. Then, when she was brought in, she was nothing more than a former fitness model turned wrestler/personal trainer gimmick as a babyface. Then she disappeared and came back as a heel dressed as a teacher, which was a play on her real-life former job. After that, she disappeared due to injury and came back with the gimmick similar to what she has now. So how is all of that the same?!?

As for your other banter involving Moolah, I honestly couldn't understand a word of what you were talking about.

Sigh. Must we? Okay. If you look at booking, push, and all of the factors that go into Maryse's current status, they rank higher than Eve, who holds the title. I never even got into wins and loses, as you assume, I was talking about the overall booking.

Who cares about this? Really? In the end, it's all character development. Some people have to win and lose matches in order to get over in the WWE. Eve won and Maryse lost. Eve needed the rub while Maryse was a former champion and one of the best gimmicks on a dry Divas roster. Why complain about it?

I'm starting to become convinced that you're just stuck in a negative limbo with the WWE. Hey, you're entitled to it. But don't sit here and rant and rave that everything on WWE TV is shit when you're the ONLY one complaining about it.

Sorry, I'm not seeing a trend of improved booking.

You're not? You didn't watch them flourish in ECW? Oh, let me guess... since you probably think that the latest incarnation of ECW sucked, too, that means everything that happened on it doesn't count, right? Kind of like your argument about since the Dudebusters didn't win a match, they don't count as a tag team? Lulz...

It's the same booking that has been going on for months. And if the thesis of your first argument was that booking has improved, then aren't you, by proxy, making a statement that something was wrong or stagnant in the booking prior to your statement(ie the current booking)? And thusly, by you saying that it takes time, aren't you in fact lessing the significance of the time that it has already taken to do the exact same booking? Hmm. Food for thought.

Wait... WHAT?? Holy shit, your brain is twisted. That really made no sense. But I'll try to decipher it, anyway, for shear entertainment purposes.

You're right. It IS the same booking for months. The booking that made Jack Swagger an ECW and World Heavyweight champion. The booking that had Sheamus defeat John Cena in a ladder match for the WWE title. The smart booking to have the title taken off him INdirectly, in order to keep his character strong. The same booking that is currently pushing two brand new talents in the midcard title divisions while we all cried for new faces to hold the titles. The same booking that ended the Cena vs. the same old guys trend in PPV main event matches. The same booking that created multiple tandem tag teams out of absolutely nothing. And the same booking that is probably the best it's been in five years. If you disagree, then stop watching.

Sigh. For one, I never said that Sheamus isn;t good. And for one, I never said he wasn't a welcomed sight in the picture. Hell, that pale beast gimmick works well for him and he milks it. But you were here blowing the winds of change and offering them such a reach around that I had to point out that nothing has changed yet. I could care less WHO Trips lifts weights with, but I do care when people try and tell me to watch the change that's going down when I'm still seeing the exact same thing that's been there for months.

Here is what I don't get, and I'm sure I'm not alone on it... How many months are you talking about? If you're talking the past 2-3 months, then OF COURSE nothing has really changed. Storylines and division shifts take time and you need to be more patient. But if you're talking about the past 6-8 months, then everything I said in my previous paragraph has occurred over that time period. From November of last year until June of this year, SIGNIFICANT changes have happened in all of the divisions. And if we're singling out the World Title divisions, we've had two first-time world champions, the retirement of a legend, the return of a main-eventer from injury, and a draft in which the title scene has changed on BOTH shows. What more is there to change? There really is no pleasing you, is there?

You know, what I will return the favor and agree with you here as well. But one main event does not change make. If Orton were healthy or Batista wasn't gone, where would he be? I mean he is over. He is clearly one of the most over guys on the brand. Hands down. But, as I said, one main event does not change make. Give me three weeks of solid stuff and you will win me over. And no, we won't count the crappy moonwalk from last week as one of them.

Who cares about the "what if's"? You're the only one bringing them up because that's the only way that you could sound like you have a clue as to what you're talking about. Like it or not, what if's aside, it DID happen. A 'nobody' midcarder just pinned a former world champion in the main event of the flagship show on WWE programming. Yes, it just happened, but before you sit there and knock it (like you've knocked everything else), maybe you should sit back and give it a while. I can only point out what has factually occurred. You're still making points and sitting on hypothetical bullshit.

Ah, I see one reads but fails to comprehend.

What is this, like, the 5th time you've said something to this effect? I think the shoe's on the other foot, "kid"...

So here, let me "dumb it down" for you.

Your theory is that since Bourne has garnered the first singles win on RAW in months that "change is a happenin" right? Well, by your theory, Santino should also be included in talks of change right? I mean the guy is over as hell, he won a singles match. Same as Bourne. So why should be be left out when they have traveled parallel roads? I never the entire roster, I took two similarities and showed a connection. To assume more is just ridiculous.

When did Santino win a singles match? As I recall, it was a tag team win, and a cheap one at that. Did he main event the flagship show? Was he chosen via a televised speech by the WWE champion? Did he pin a former world champion? Exactly. THAT'S why it's not a "parallel road" that they've traveled, as you so artistically put.

Sigh. There you go, assuming I don't like the product. I swear, if I had a nickel for every snot nosed kid who made that statement over the 28 years that I have been watching wrestling, then I would have millions.

Yeah, because I'm SO out of line for thinking so, right??

Yes there young man, I have been watching wrestling longer than you and probably a younger sibling combined have been alive. And I keep hearing the whole "winds of change" speech every year and it never truly happens and isn't getting any more original.

Clearly, you've missed the #1 wisecrack by the posters of this site who bust my balls for being older than them. Newsflash, grampa... I'm two years younger than you. the only difference between us is that you haven't lost your virginity yet. So take your "winds of change" and store them with your dentures.

Well for one, I'm not a smark. I'm a wrestling fan. Been so for over two and a half decades. I have time in, so I'm entitled to my opinion. And I'm not sure what ebonics would have to do with it as I have a masters degree and don;t speak ebonics anyway. When I call you kid, it's because you are one. Plain and simple.

You have a masters degree? Yeah, I believe that one, gramps. You have the spelling, grammar, and demeanor of a teenager. They DID teach you how to spell and formulate sentences in "masters degree school", right? Please don't flatter yourself or lie to all of us. But if you're not lying, your school must have been far from reputable to have approved a "graduate" of your caliber.

As for the remaining statements that you made, it seems to be more of a personality conflict and pissing match than anything, which I would like no part of. My jokes are taken by you as racial? I guess all of the time that you called me ignorant was just the pot calling the kettle bla...um...DARK. (Oops... looks like I almost dangled another 'racial carrot' in front of your face that easily could have been misunderstood by your lack of intelligence.) The wisecracks that I threw at you were not racial. If they were, I would've mentioned the color of your skin (assuming it's black). Instead, I'm having a grand ol' time pointing out (what I assumed to be) statements of an urban slang. Forgive me for not seeing that you're uninformed about my age being almost the same as yours.

But either way, I'm going to go back to taking a nap. Let me know when I can actually break a sweat from replying to your meaningless dribble, since it hasn't happened yet.

PS - I'm also loving how you're the only one with your thinking pattern. I'm still waiting for someone to agree with you on your views.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Wait a minute... I make a comment about someone shitting in your cheerios and that's immature, but you calling me uneducated and saying something about chalking up a sidewalk and you "clean it up" isn't immature? Pot, Kettle, moron.



Oh, good. So I'm not the only person who finds you to be a blubbering, ignorant, moronic, windbag. Glad that's cleared up.



You're right. You can start at any time now.



If you were white, I would've said the same thing. Speaking about "jive" merely implies flawed speech on your part. Let me know when I mentioned your skin color.

Besides, how "young" do you think I am, anyway?



But they're a tandem tag team, are they not? What the fuck do wins or losses have to do with it? You can't just make up completely illogical reasoning in order to make a point of yours seem valid. Here's a tip: it actually makes you look dumber than you already are.



Seriously? You're still defending yourself with this conditioning thing? So the crowd's deafening roar means nothing, right? Or his unique ring entrance? Or his microphone skills? Or his likeability factor? That's right. All of that is null and void because he got out of breath for wrestling a 250lb man for 14 minutes.



I'll tell you why... HEEL HEAT. And there's no story surrounding it? He's being portrayed as bulletproof because of Vince McMahon's support. And he's currently in a mixed feud with Teddy Long, Matt Hardy, AND Kofi Kingston. Plus, he defended the title against Kane, Morrison, and Matt Hardy. What show have you been watching??



First of all, I'm not talking about his actual ring entrace, you twit. I'm talking about using that as a catalyst to explain his likability factor. If the crowd isn't into him, his career is basically over.

And match quality = conditioning? I could have sworn that we left out a few factors in this equation. Call me crazy...



HORNSWOGGLE? THAT'S your argument? Were you actually watching the show when we all found out that the title was thrown on him in order to defunct it? It's apples and oranges. Hornswoggle's character doesn't even have the ability to SPEAK, let alone carry a title for a lengthy period of time. And on the subject of speaking, while Drew was drawing his heat, he was cutting fantastic promos. You can tell by the crowd's reaction. But I'm sure you'll cut it down with your skewed opinion and then say that because you think that way, it's gospel, right??



It's a prop, man. It's not even a real title. It's meant to give him more heat as a heel and it's working tremendously.



I already explained. If you couldn't read it the first time, that's not my fault.

You say McCool has the same gimmick as when she first came in?? WHAT?? First of all, she was a Divas Search contestant. Then, when she was brought in, she was nothing more than a former fitness model turned wrestler/personal trainer gimmick as a babyface. Then she disappeared and came back as a heel dressed as a teacher, which was a play on her real-life former job. After that, she disappeared due to injury and came back with the gimmick similar to what she has now. So how is all of that the same?!?

As for your other banter involving Moolah, I honestly couldn't understand a word of what you were talking about.



Who cares about this? Really? In the end, it's all character development. Some people have to win and lose matches in order to get over in the WWE. Eve won and Maryse lost. Eve needed the rub while Maryse was a former champion and one of the best gimmicks on a dry Divas roster. Why complain about it?

I'm starting to become convinced that you're just stuck in a negative limbo with the WWE. Hey, you're entitled to it. But don't sit here and rant and rave that everything on WWE TV is shit when you're the ONLY one complaining about it.



You're not? You didn't watch them flourish in ECW? Oh, let me guess... since you probably think that the latest incarnation of ECW sucked, too, that means everything that happened on it doesn't count, right? Kind of like your argument about since the Dudebusters didn't win a match, they don't count as a tag team? Lulz...



Wait... WHAT?? Holy shit, your brain is twisted. That really made no sense. But I'll try to decipher it, anyway, for shear entertainment purposes.

You're right. It IS the same booking for months. The booking that made Jack Swagger an ECW and World Heavyweight champion. The booking that had Sheamus defeat John Cena in a ladder match for the WWE title. The smart booking to have the title taken off him INdirectly, in order to keep his character strong. The same booking that is currently pushing two brand new talents in the midcard title divisions while we all cried for new faces to hold the titles. The same booking that ended the Cena vs. the same old guys trend in PPV main event matches. The same booking that created multiple tandem tag teams out of absolutely nothing. And the same booking that is probably the best it's been in five years. If you disagree, then stop watching.



Here is what I don't get, and I'm sure I'm not alone on it... How many months are you talking about? If you're talking the past 2-3 months, then OF COURSE nothing has really changed. Storylines and division shifts take time and you need to be more patient. But if you're talking about the past 6-8 months, then everything I said in my previous paragraph has occurred over that time period. From November of last year until June of this year, SIGNIFICANT changes have happened in all of the divisions. And if we're singling out the World Title divisions, we've had two first-time world champions, the retirement of a legend, the return of a main-eventer from injury, and a draft in which the title scene has changed on BOTH shows. What more is there to change? There really is no pleasing you, is there?



Who cares about the "what if's"? You're the only one bringing them up because that's the only way that you could sound like you have a clue as to what you're talking about. Like it or not, what if's aside, it DID happen. A 'nobody' midcarder just pinned a former world champion in the main event of the flagship show on WWE programming. Yes, it just happened, but before you sit there and knock it (like you've knocked everything else), maybe you should sit back and give it a while. I can only point out what has factually occurred. You're still making points and sitting on hypothetical bullshit.



What is this, like, the 5th time you've said something to this effect? I think the shoe's on the other foot, "kid"...







When did Santino win a singles match? As I recall, it was a tag team win, and a cheap one at that. Did he main event the flagship show? Was he chosen via a televised speech by the WWE champion? Did he pin a former world champion? Exactly. THAT'S why it's not a "parallel road" that they've traveled, as you so artistically put.



Yeah, because I'm SO out of line for thinking so, right??





Clearly, you've missed the #1 wisecrack by the posters of this site who bust my balls for being older than them. Newsflash, grampa... I'm two years younger than you. the only difference between us is that you haven't lost your virginity yet. So take your "winds of change" and store them with your dentures.



You have a masters degree? Yeah, I believe that one, gramps. You have the spelling, grammar, and demeanor of a teenager. They DID teach you how to spell and formulate sentences in "masters degree school", right? Please don't flatter yourself or lie to all of us. But if you're not lying, your school must have been far from reputable to have approved a "graduate" of your caliber.

As for the remaining statements that you made, it seems to be more of a personality conflict and pissing match than anything, which I would like no part of. My jokes are taken by you as racial? I guess all of the time that you called me ignorant was just the pot calling the kettle bla...um...DARK. (Oops... looks like I almost dangled another 'racial carrot' in front of your face that easily could have been misunderstood by your lack of intelligence.) The wisecracks that I threw at you were not racial. If they were, I would've mentioned the color of your skin (assuming it's black). Instead, I'm having a grand ol' time pointing out (what I assumed to be) statements of an urban slang. Forgive me for not seeing that you're uninformed about my age being almost the same as yours.

But either way, I'm going to go back to taking a nap. Let me know when I can actually break a sweat from replying to your meaningless dribble, since it hasn't happened yet.

PS - I'm also loving how you're the only one with your thinking pattern. I'm still waiting for someone to agree with you on your views.

1. I believe he means that McCool should have a long heel reign where she defeats everybody that is put in her path. I would like to see something to that effect but I would rather see it on RAW with the whole celebrity guest host concept.

2. Bourne is not going to get a main event push just because Cena chose him to be a tag team partner because that will be a huge mistake. At the least, this may get him a small midcard push but I don't see anything above that at least while he is on RAW.

3. The same booking that has happened in the past six to eight months happened two years ago. You had Punk win the championship for the first time; Kofi, Matt, and Shelton becoming midcard champions; the retirement of a legend in Flair and the return of Batista and Cena from injury. What they're doing now isn't anything new and by next year you're going to have the repeated main events of Orton, HHH, Cena all over again this time with Edge and Sheamus added. If they want development, let HHH or Cena work with the midcarders which I believe will happen in Cena's case. The midcard divison is still weak on both shows as it is especially on RAW.

 

[D-Man]

1. I believe he means that McCool should have a long heel reign where she defeats everybody that is put in her path. I would like to see something to that effect but I would rather see it on RAW with the whole celebrity guest host concept.

Why? The division doesn't need a fully dominant/undefeated-type heel. they tried that with Beth Phoenix already and it flopped.

2. Bourne is not going to get a main event push just because Cena chose him to be a tag team partner because that will be a huge mistake. At the least, this may get him a small midcard push but I don't see anything above that at least while he is on RAW.

This is just your personal opinion. While I respect it, none of us could tell the future. I only assumed it to be possible because he was put in that position, when that is something that has RARELY happened on WWE programming. To me, when something rare like that happens and the WWE gets a great reaction from it, they run with it for a little while. We might see that here.

3. The same booking that has happened in the past six to eight months happened two years ago. You had Punk win the championship for the first time; Kofi, Matt, and Shelton becoming midcard champions; the retirement of a legend in Flair and the return of Batista and Cena from injury. What they're doing now isn't anything new and by next year you're going to have the repeated main events of Orton, HHH, Cena all over again this time with Edge and Sheamus added. If they want development, let HHH or Cena work with the midcarders which I believe will happen in Cena's case. The midcard divison is still weak on both shows as it is especially on RAW.

I already explained that while 8 months ago they had CM Punk get a world championship push and it was successful, they've now done it with Swagger and Sheamus, as well. More men are being thrusted into the world title picture and the landscape of both shows have drastically changed. We're seeing the same type of storylines but with different people. After all, that's all wrestling has been for 25 years... recycled storylines using different people, with some new stories mixed in here and there.