The worse WWE or World Champ ever (skill wise)

[billyrage]

1. The Great Kahli (this guy should've never have been champion)
2. Ultimate Warrior (extreamly limited moveset)
3. Vince McMahon (pretty obvios answer)
4. Goldberg (I really can't see what anyone found great about this guy he was boring as hell to me)
5. Sid (sloppy in ring work)

 

[ShockTheMonkey223]

Generally speaking I agree with McFoley. A lot of people are interpreting "skill" bizarrely and I think it's quite evident that the initial poster implied "technically skilled"

Anyone who thinks being skilled in Pro Wrestling means in-ring ability and nothing else is "bizarre" in my book. There's many components to being a skilled Pro Wrestler, if we were talking about amateur wrestling, it would be different. In sports-entertainment, you need the whole package, you can't just be good in one area.

 

[shafe_41]

Khali- I mean... how much do I really have to say? Sure he's hilarious now as a face in a "well might as well find him humorous cause it looks like he's gonna be around a bit" kinda way... but as a champion??? WTF was Vince thinking? I felt bad for the guy because he wasn't even being booed as a heel, he was being booed because people genuinally didn't want to watch him in the ring. At all. Ever. Not once.

 

[RicSpade]

Ok I think I read enough responses and did enough thinking to give my opinion on this...

First off as much as I hate Cena (and hate is an understatement) the only reason why he looks like a 5 move wrestler is because he is always put in a T.V. time constraint so what do they want him to do? pull a Hogan and basically Hulk Up Boot Leg Drop. If you don't understand what I mean by T.V. restraints look at Cena vs. Shawn at Mania or that over hour long match on Raw and look at Hogan Vs. Orndorff and you will see a big difference from a T.V. match and a good match from these too...

Now since we have been in and out of the who was the best worst champion skill wise I I am only going to say it once...Kane.
Kane may have only held the belt for less than 24 hours, but that just showed how bad he was in the ring then. He was so horrid they had him drop it back to Austin (neither match was good in my opinion) and then to make matters worse when he finally gets another respectable heavyweight title when he is the ECW champ his matches either have to look squash like, or they are just awful looking...

I have spoken

 

[snickers]

In My opinion, when i think of the worst champions, i think of someone who didnt do anything notable with the belt. A poor champion is someone who had a very forgettable title reign, someone who looked very weak as champion relying on DQs and whatnot to retain the title, something like that, and also a guy who was a terrific champion once can have a seperate reign that wasnt very good at all.

I dont have a specific list but here it goes

Savage's second reign......didnt do anything with the belt other than give it right back to flair after beating him at Wrestlemania

Any reign by Sid.....one of the least talented guys to hold the belt across the board as far as a sports entertainer is concerned

Great Khali......enough said...and NO just because i'm saying Khali doesnt mean i'm also saying Andre the Giant, because while Andre might not have done anything with the belt other than hold it in his hand for 20 seconds, he was a legend in this business and his entire feud with Hogan that ended up with him winning for even that short period of time elevated the belt to possibly the highest the belt has ever been.

JBL......he never defended the belt clean the whole time he had it and he had to have a fluke to win the belt in the first place....so he had you thinking during his whole run that he didnt deserve the belt at all...yes he was champion and made people want to pay to see him get his ass beat but there comes a point where you look at him and say what has this guy done to deserve the belt

Bob Backlund......win the belt from the best technical wrestler in the world so they can turn right around and have him drop it on a non-televised show and then have him fall right off the face of the earth like it never even happened....wow

these are the only ones that really pop out at me for the time being, but others like CM Punk, RVD, Kane(i felt bad they took the belt off of him so quick as i thought he could be good with it...but hey they must have took it off of him for a reason), guys like that who never did anything with the belt.

And when i say never did anything with the belt i mean didnt do anything other than wrestle and defend it.....no notable feuds, anything like that. So in a way I could say that last year's reign as WWE champ by HHH wasnt really that good because while he did defend quite a few times, there wasnt any big feud he was in while champion that you really took hold and noticed, not like his last reign which the entire thing was centered around the feud with Orton. I could say the same thing about Jericho when he first won the undisputed championship

Now as far as people looking at Yokozuna, I HIGHLY beg to differ on that one, because of the fact that if you actually sat down and watched any matches that yokozuna actually had, yes he was big and yes he needed rest moves which is understandable, but he was a damn good worker for a guy his size....i would argue the best worker for a guy over 500 pounds in pro wrestling history. If you dont believe me watch his match against the Undertaker at the Royal Rumble in the casket match....yes just about anyone can have a great match against 'taker but he worked his ass off in that match he kept up with taker from the start till the run in. And so what he didnt work on the stick....he had two of the best managers ever in Mr Fuji and Cornette so he didnt have to say anything. He was a great super heavyweight, and he made a really good tandem with Owen Hart when they were tag champions because Yoko was able to come in and actually work(although it wasnt as good as when he was world champion), then just tag out to Owen when he needed a break and Owen was one of the best workers out there so that goes down as one of the best tag champs ever put together as well.

 

[GIMH]

I would go with Khali and Show. Khali has been covered plenty, but Big Show is a shocker. I never enjoy his matches and his first title reign back in 99 was abysmal - his only PPV defence was against Bossman! If you add up his WCW, WWE & World reigns he must have about 5, the same amount as Jericho, quite frankly that is inexplicable.

 

[Mr. TM]

No one.

The WWE is a billion dollar company. You know how to make a billion dollars? By being smart. Every champion was a smart idea. I really cant think of a time when one wrestler became Champion for any other reason then it was a smart idea. They arent giving the title to Benjamin or Morrison, because it isnt the time for them.

However, if you are truly discussing a sliding scale. I would have to say that the worst WWE champion of all time is a Champion that never was. Bobby Lashley is the man. Of course he wasnt champion, only reaching the ECW main event really. But he would have been champion for sure in the WWE. And that would have sucked. You know why? Because he is a bitch, who couldnt even compete against The Big Show in the Royal Rumble. If you cant beat the Big Show, you shouldnt be champion.

 

[RH23]

Without question, The Great Khali was the most untalented to ever hold the WHC. Nobody could understand what the fuck the guy was saying. And he is also a horrible wrestler.

 

[ronjoewill16]

no one has mentioned a man who, even though his popularity is through the roof, his wrestling and mic skills are pathetic. i love the guy. i really do. but him and his brother are so sloppy in the ring.
im talking of course about jeff hardy. same moves everytime. and they look like ragdolls wen they wrestle. matt hardy always looks like hes not even trying, and jeff looks like he wasnt trained at all. so his skill lags as a former champion.

but hes not the worse champ ever. i have to say the worst champ ever is bob backlund. thats just horrible. diesel may not have drawn very much, but at least kevin nash kept me interested with his big boot and jacknife.

 

[Legendary_Undertaker]

I've said this a million times before I think big show is the biggest waste of talent in the world but hes still not the worse champion.

I almost hate Batista as much as fat people hate being hungary be he's only a close second at best(or worse).

The winner by unamious decision is....THE GREAT KHALI. eventhough I like the guy I hate his in ring ability his mic work and his character....I mean speak fucking english!! Nobody ever believed his dumb ass finisher and he is slow and clumbsy but at least he had a successful title defense unlike the far more talented Jeff Hardy

 

[THTRobtaylor]

I don't buy the whole "Andre the Giant = Great Khali" argument. The videos of Andre the fans see the most today, such as WM3, are when Andre was at the very end of his career, suffering from almost crippling back pain and getting heavier and heavier. I'm not saying the guy was an amazing technical wrestler, I'm just saying he was a huge draw for a long time before the era where most of us are familiar with him, and we shouldn't just assume it was only because of the "freakshow" appeal..

So yes... by your argument Andre was not a skilled WWF Champion, I saw matches of Andre in the 70s and yes, he was far more mobile, but his offence was similar, he was primarily based around handicaps and battle royals, which played to his strengths. But the thread is about the WWE/F title... the same argument, as I said in my posts, holds true for Austin, he was damaged goods by the time he ever got the belt, so the guy who looked so good winning KOTR or in WCW was not the same guy who won the belt... It's harsh, but reality. You can only judge someone on how they were when they had it, not 10 or 5 years before they got it.

The argument works in reverse for the Backlund hater... he got the gig the 2nd time cos he'd had it for 7 YEARS!... For any guy to be a champion for that long means you must have talent. No way does he belong on this list...

Khali is half of what Andre (or Big Show) was in the ring but for a giant actor portraying a wrestler (which in reality is what he is) he fitted the bill, for a short reign, he is not meant to be technical, just imposing... The fact he has lasted longer than other "giants" like Gonzales and Silva shows he is worth something in the ring. Khali has a package that worked at the time, he had Davairi to talk for him, he had the wow factor of his size. He used what he was given to full effect and when he lost the belt, he didn't lose steam... more "skilled" guys like Jeff Hardy drop the belt and their momentum just dies...

 

[Sasori]

John Cena is so underrated its unbelievable. I take it most people have forgot about his debut matches with the likes of angle and jericho. So wat if John Cena only does 5moves so did Bret Hart.

dude, Bret 'The Hitman' Hart did not use only 5 moves! And even if he did he always had GREAT matches! Think about all the gret reversals and the drama Bret was a good story teller and gret at wrestling. Cena can't do shit! He's basically like Hogan, the guy gets beat up for a bit and just like Hogan then 5 moves of doom kick in! shoulder block, shoulder block, proto-plex, F-U, if F-U doesn't work STFU, DONE!

complete list of Bret Harts moves:
Sharpshooter
Spike piledriver
Bulldog, sometimes from the second rope
Dropkick
Enzuigiri
Figure four leglock, sometimes while utilizing the ringpost for extra pressure
Headbutt
Inverted atomic drop
Kip-up
Lariat takedown
Leg drop
Second or a top rope dive into either an axe handle elbow drop, a clothesline or a side elbow drop
Multiple pinning variations:
Crucifix
Inside cradle
Roll-up
Sunset flip
Victory roll
Multiple suplex variations:
Bridging / Release German
Snap
Super
Pendulum backbreaker
Russian legsweep
Sleeper hold
Slingshot crossbody
Stomp to the lower abdominal area
Suicide dive
Sunset flip
Swinging neckbreaker

Cena:

Leg drop fro mtop rope
F-U
STFU
Shoulder blocks
Protoplex
can't think of anything else LOL!

Still not convinced Bret Hart uses more than 5 moves? WELL GET READY TO EAT UR OWN WORDS BITCHES! XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WilVYilItb0

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| go to that link! thats proof Bret knows many wrestling moves!

 

[Andres_cena]

dude, Bret 'The Hitman' Hart did not use only 5 moves! And even if he did he always had GREAT matches! Think about all the gret reversals and the drama Bret was a good story teller and gret at wrestling. Cena can't do shit! He's basically like Hogan, the guy gets beat up for a bit and just like Hogan then 5 moves of doom kick in! shoulder block, shoulder block, proto-plex, F-U, if F-U doesn't work STFU, DONE!

complete list of Bret Harts moves:
Sharpshooter
Spike piledriver
Bulldog, sometimes from the second rope
Dropkick
Enzuigiri
Figure four leglock, sometimes while utilizing the ringpost for extra pressure
Headbutt
Inverted atomic drop
Kip-up
Lariat takedown
Leg drop
Second or a top rope dive into either an axe handle elbow drop, a clothesline or a side elbow drop
Multiple pinning variations:
Crucifix
Inside cradle
Roll-up
Sunset flip
Victory roll
Multiple suplex variations:
Bridging / Release German
Snap
Super
Pendulum backbreaker
Russian legsweep
Sleeper hold
Slingshot crossbody
Stomp to the lower abdominal area
Suicide dive
Sunset flip
Swinging neckbreaker

Cena:

Leg drop fro mtop rope
F-U
STFU
Shoulder blocks
Protoplex
can't think of anything else LOL!

Still not convinced Bret Hart uses more than 5 moves? WELL GET READY TO EAT UR OWN WORDS BITCHES! XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WilVYilItb0

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| go to that link! thats proof Bret knows many wrestling moves!

*rndom ageist comments* If you wanna talk about videos or one match only as proof of moves people do, then watch john cenas OVW matches, watch his first ever match vs kurt angle, watch his match vs shawn michaels, watch his matches vs jericho, you'll find plenty more moves than all that childish list you made up there, John is good at what he does he just doesn't risk getting injured or jumping from over the titantron to entertain you so that he doesn't get injured and he/wwe loses money. At the end of the day you'll all flame him but then again thats what the deal is all about, to keep you all interesed in what john does or what john doesn't. At the end of the day people cheer for him and people doesn't say "omg! captain_charisma from wrestlezone forums said cena had 5 moves so im gonna boo him!" and even if they do they still pay their tickets, THATS the reason why john cenas move list won't increase, THATS the reason wwe will keep using him that way and THATS the reason why you should grow up and realize nothing that you will say about him or comparing him vs your childhood hero bret hart will matter.

Now back on topic
1.- Great khali
2.- JBL
3.- Vince mcmahon
4.- Hulk hogan

 

[matty256]

I wasn't gonna say anything to all the cena haters comments but this one just got into my nerves. How old are you, 16? You wanna sound cool in front of all the "smart fans" so that you can get "respect" from all of these geeks? If you wanna talk about videos or one match only as proof of moves people do, then watch john cenas OVW matches, watch his first ever match vs kurt angle, watch his match vs shawn michaels, watch his matches vs jericho, you'll find plenty more moves than all that childish list you made up there, John is good at what he does he just doesn't risk getting injured or jumping from over the titantron to entertain you so that he doesn't get injured and he/wwe loses money. At the end of the day you'll all flame him but then again thats what the deal is all about, to keep you all interesed in what john does or what john doesn't. At the end of the day people cheer for him and people doesn't say "omg! captain_charisma from wrestlezone forums said cena had 5 moves so im gonna boo him!" and even if they do they still pay their tickets, THATS the reason why john cenas move list won't increase, THATS the reason wwe will keep using him that way and THATS the reason why you should grow up and realize nothing that you will say about him or comparing him vs your childhood hero bret hart will matter.

Now back on topic
1.- Great khali
2.- JBL
3.- Vince mcmahon
4.- Hulk hogan

I know Cena has more then 5 moves its just the fact that all of his matches are the same he gets his ass beat for a while then makes a comeback and wins. Plus he's sloppy as hell. And you dont have to jump off the titantron to enertain just give me a good wrestling match, which Cena just doesnt do imo

 

[ShockTheMonkey223]

People only have "5 moves" nowadays because that's the current WWE style. Everyone has a basic moveset that they rarely stray from. Anyone who thinks guys like Cena and Batista couldn't pull off any move that guys their size have in the past, is ridiculous. Cena (who I despise, by the way) doesn't do a powerbomb...do you really think it's because he couldn't? Batista doesn't do a german suplex...do you really think it's because he's not capable? Come on. How old are we?

 

[Inc]

1: Hulk Hogan - By far the most one dimensional champion ever skills wise... Charisma does not translate to skill and frankly some of those old matches are embarrassing now... especially when he is against better opposition like DiBiase, Savage or Perfect.

I'm no supporter of Hogan when it comes to workrate but I wouldn't put him top 5 worst. Check out Hogan vs Muta on youtube, Hogan actually works in that match unlike the WWE punch, punch, kick style.

 

[The Holy One]

This is my first post, so I'm kind of excited. I think of a bad champion as of one whose reigned was meaningless and not really necessary. With that being said, here are my top 5.

5.Shawn Michaels (World Title reign from his 2002 return)/Jeff Hardy (WWE Title win)-
While I love both these guys from a wrestling and entertaining viewpoint (especially Shawn Michaels). Both of their reigns were pratically meaningless. I mean Shawn was hot coming back from his return the fans were thrill from his EC win at Survivor Series, but he loses the title back in one month to HHH. The same with Jeff Hardy and Edge, if you're serious about giving these guys the title then they should at least get one longer than one month. Even Khali had a longer than those two, as a matter of fact his reign equal the both of their reigns combined.

4. Yokozuna (WM IX victory)-He is also another person i liked as a wrestler but what was the point in letting him beat Bret Hart in the Main Event at WM only to lose it to Hogan immediately after that. Although two months later, he won it back and had a long run with it there was still no reason for the switch only to fuel Hogan's ego.

(Sorry for that, like I said my first post so my fingers are slippery but let me continue)

3.Andre the Giant-I'm not going to weigh in on his wrestling abilities b/c I wasn't even alive back then or was just a baby, but any way he was very over with the crowd as a heel so why should he win the title and then give it to Ted DiBiase.

2.Bob Backlund (2nd reign)-I respect the man for his wrestling and what he did for the business during his 1st reign, but what is the reason for him to beat Bret Hart in a heated contest only to lose it to Nash in a squash match three days later.

1.Batista (his recent reign as WWE champion)-I must admit that I kinda of like Batista, but they knew he was hurt and yet still let him squash Orton and take the title. I see no logic in this decision.

 

[god-soldier]

The worse WWE Champions of all time

5. Edge- I never saw the big concern for the R-rated R superstar he has a great gimmick however his wrestling abilities n finshers are too lame to go with his name and gimmick and is definately not worthy of 10 title regins

4. Shawn Michaels- The Heart Break Kid was the worse champion sure he could wrestle but the people who defended the title against and beat should have won all the time he was never a convinceable champion. Always 2nd rate too me and he should of never beat the man who beat him over 100 times with the Sharpshooter Bret Hart
3. Diesl- The bodyguard of that loser HBK should have never been given an opportunity to be champion if Backland had too drop the title with in a week then it should of gone to either British Bulldog, Razor Ramon, Lex Luger, Undertaker,Bam Bam Bigelow or Owen Hart those men at the time put more work in then Diesl at the time.
2.Sgt. Slaughter- I remember when he beat the Warrior why the hell is he champion anyone should of beat warrior it should of been the best single wrestler at the time Mr.Perfect so what if we were at war with Iraq big deal Hogan vs perfect would of been more exciting and a better pay off then Hogan vs an Iraqi Sympathizer who saved the day in G.I. Joe the American hero the animated movie what the FUCK is that
1. John Cena last but certainly not least didn't deserve a shot or a title at the time for all you Yokozuna n Great Khali haters they were believeable champion just for their sure size not wrestling ability even though yokozuna was a great athlete N Khali wasn't too bad either after all. However a wigger or a wanne be doctor of thuganomics who resides in an area of Massacheutts with not even one real street corners or a single thug in sight who has no wrestling ability either Adtitude Adjustment and a STFU are the best moves he has and they are mediocore at that CENA SUCKS plain and simple and didn't deserve any of the title regins he has had.

 

[gully side adidja]

i don't care who i offend by this list but........

john cena:not good at all is the stiffest wrestler i have seen in main events.


batista:complete crap, there is something called vcr or dvd where you can watch wrestlers and learn to wrestle intrestingly.


sandman:seems that as well as being a drunk and a slob outside the ring, he was one in it as well, completely sloppy


chyna:give her credit for wrestling with men,but, she is as stiff if not stiffer than john cena


hogan:never did like him as a WRESTLER, NEVER!

 

[Dagger Dias]

It has been said before, but I am going to have to say Khali. Most fans don't like him and know that he had little to no skills in the ring at all, just another big guy who got pushed because he is popular in his home country. Plus Edge was injured at the time and Kane did not want the title (even though he caused the injury that made Edge have to relinquish the title) so they had to put it on someone, and having Khali win that multiman battle to get the title made sense at the time, even though his title reign was really bad because he was so bad in the ring.

 

[jayteeERA]

I don't have a top 5 I only have 2 ppl and that is Vince mcmahon and The Rock.
Vince- I mean how can a guy gets brutalize to death and still win. I'm talking about his first reign. Thank God it was for one night. And as ECW champion the guy needed to ppl to beat lashley just so he can get a pin and win the title. Now that's the worst champion of all time.

Rock - This guy has skills no doubt, but this guy is a copycatter. He have to used other ppl finishers to look good. He is a Stone Cold wanna be. Yeah he was entertaining , yea so as Santino lets make him champ too. He was much better as a heel champ.

I read this whole thread and I think every body work hard to get there. even the rock.
Hogan is one of the main reasons i started watching wrestling. I can't believe anyone said that. Khali was a great champ, so what he moved too slow. He 7'3 tall what do you want him to do? Become Jeff Hardy. He did a great job as a heel champ.

I think all these ppl deserved it. yes even rock. But vince had no skills.

 

[Sharpdeathlock]

Alot of people here probably don't realise how ill andre was in the mid to late 80's , his body was supposedly ravaged with constant pain so he really shouldn't be on anyones list, his late 70's matches are alot better to watch than the ones from when he was sick.

my list is:
1. Khali, worse wrestler than Andre was when he could hardly move through illness.
2.Warrior, his entrance was in most cases better and longer than his matches.
3.Batista, Anyone who is paul levesque's friend these days seems to be given titles like sweets even ones who can barely wrestle.
4.Vince Mcmahon, actually did some ok spots and took a few bumps but a wwe champion lmao.


Can't really think of any former champ as bad as them four.

 

[I Will Fart In Your Mouth]

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[Hulkamaniac]

This thread is essentially saying "who has the most varied moveset". Which is dumb. As I've pointed out, the point of pro wrestling it to get the crowd and draw money. Here's the example I used yesterday: Evan Bourne can do a SSP and nobody makes a sound, but the crowd goes nuts if Hogan throws a punch. Does Hogan have the most varied moveset in the history of wrestling, hell no. But he was a safe performer, he didn't injure people, who people who would lay out money to watch wrestle.

When Honky Tonky man says "When Hogan did a move to you, you didn't feel a thing", that's a high compliment.