The worse WWE or World Champ ever (skill wise)

[Tim_Seraphim]

Least skilled wrestler? Jeff Hardy is an over-rated backyarder with enough charisma to get him a midcard title. Jeff Hardy was never trained, thus by my logic, the least skilled champion. Andre during the late 80s was bad and he knew it, but was kept around anyway. He was in constant pain and/or inebriation. I've already made my statements on Batista and all his little fans cried blaphemy and demanded I be burned at the stake, Khali is terrible, and who is this Yokozuna people mentioned? (He has been stricken from my wrestling memory much like Chris Benoit has from WWE memory.) Diesel is up there in my list too. I haven't seen a single match of his EVER that I've enjoyed, though I do enjoy his commentary.

 

[scoobyjrg1974]

Oh my god!!
Some of you have really gotta step back and think about your responses.
Just because you didnt like someone doesnt mean they sucked.
Honestly I can only think of 3 people that I honestly believe SUCKED
The Ultimate Warrior, Khali and The Iron Sheik.
And there is no comparison between Khali and Andre.
Put them together before Andre's Back finally ended his career and Andre could have and probably would have killed the bumbling idiot.
Sure there have been people that werent great as champs but to say they were the worst, is like saying Ric Flair was a horrible champ too!!

 

[LokiCobain]

Oh my god!!
Some of you have really gotta step back and think about your responses.
Just because you didnt like someone doesnt mean they sucked.
Honestly I can only think of 3 people that I honestly believe SUCKED
The Ultimate Warrior, Khali and The Iron Sheik.
And there is no comparison between Khali and Andre.
Put them together before Andre's Back finally ended his career and Andre could have and probably would have killed the bumbling idiot.
Sure there have been people that werent great as champs but to say they were the worst, is like saying Ric Flair was a horrible champ too!!

Not exactly...

The worst at actually wrestling. You just named three, so obviously that means that you're saying Ric Flair was a horrible champ too haha. And Andre "killing" Khali isn't really the point, neither are talented WRESTLERS. I'm sure Benoit could've killed both of them...in an actual wrestling match...

 

[lamo78]

So...at Wrestlemania 6...which wrestler carried the match between these two? This was a decent match that had the crowd hooked the entire way through. Either this was a bloody miracle or one of them is better then you think.

My vote is that Hogan carried that match, but I could be wrong.

Oh I will give you the fact that Hogan carried that match. But it was not a good match really. The match was just built up so well and it was supposed to be the passing of the torch which did not work out at all. I know I loved that match not for how good the match was, but because it was the past versus the future of wrestling. But looking back on the match itself, it was not that good.

 

[Ryanhitman316]

1. Batista - This guy can't really do much at all. Is the modern day Warrior.
2. The Great Khali - Thank god he was champion for only one month. Far two slow.
3. The Ultimate Warrior - Same as Big Dave Batista, can't do much at all. The only move he could do correctly was a shoulder block

I couldn't think of anymore. John Cena is so underrated its unbelievable. I take it most people have forgot about his debut matches with the likes of angle and jericho. So wat if John Cena only does 5moves so did Bret Hart.

I agree with all of your answers because they all pretty sucked. But Bret Hart? are you kidding me, Bret had tons of moves. I believe you didn't look at the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WilVYilItb0

 

[The Todd]

The Great Khali- is there anything else to say?

John Cena- Need I say More?

Erm, yeah, you see the point of a forum is to DISCUSS why you have made your picks. You have said the name Khali. He was a great champion. He got ratings in India, a wealthy market the WWE could then exploit, and he was so intensely hated you would watch to see him get beat. His attacks on Rey leading up to the triple threat where he lost the belt made everyone want to see Batista smash his face in.

As for Cena, get with the times man, Cena hating was soooo 2006. Cena is the top wrestler in the wwe. He tells the best story, EVERYONE has an interest in his matches, wether it was to see him win or see him lose, and he sells merchandise, which is extremely important to Vince. Cena a bad champion and no explanation? Tut tut.

 

[Angleslammer]

whoa, some of you are putting some crazy names, i'm not a fan of cena or hogan but to say they were the least skilled ever is absurd and letting your personal opinions of th e2 (of which mine aren't really high) affect your judgement.

and for those that say andre, your too damn young to have seen any of his early 80 or late 70s matches, to even compare him to Khali shows an incredilbe lack of wrestling knowledge, your only comparing a broken down andre at the end of his career who was only still competing to give back to the business and try and give others (like jake and hacksaw) a rub

now in terms of least skilled champ ever I have to agree with the majority of people who say Khali and JBL

overall i'd say Khali but can somewhat excuse it bc of his size and being thrown in without being properly trained

JBL was one of the more entertaining heel champs ever but if you were judging just on skill set he absolutely sucked, the only matches of his i have ever found close to good are those with guerro and his wm 21 match with cena was pathetic as a co main event.

 

[AntiHero0503]

Wrestling is both promos and skills in the ring, JBL may not have been anything more than a brawler, but when he spoke you HATED him, which by far makes up for his limited in ring skill set.
The same thing goes for Mick Foley, he was given a dud in the form of the Mankind character, but he took that and ran with it all the way to the top of the ladder. I haven't heard one promo by Mick that I haven't enjoyed
There is absolutely no reason for Cena being top five, his moveset isn't good at all, but then both Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant both had rather limited moves in the ring. John Cena, just like the Rock, Stone Cold, and Hogan, was able to use his speaking abilities to elevate him to the position he's at.

 

[takerfan95]

Bret Hart did not just have 5 moves. Do you honestly think Cena could pull off an Ironman match? That would be horrible to watch. Bret told stories with his matches where as Cena can't do anything.

Well if you did not see john cena's match with Shawn Michaels around wrestlemania 23, then i could understand why you said this, but here is my 2 cents ( I've only been watching wrestling since about 2002-03 so im only gonna name people i can actually reference to)

5. Jeff Hardy
like someone said before me, this man is nothing more than a glorified spot monkey who cannot work a decent match with most people, not even his own brother. And his title reign sucked major balls

4. Goldberg
Really did suck, had bad skills, and was really worn out after his run in WCW. so yeah goldberg=

3. Batista
Very limited on the mic and cant wrestle a damn match. someone mentioned that he did not get better as his career progressed, he got worse, and that is absolutely correct. only time he was any good was when he was in evolution cause he just beat the shit out of people (Shawn Michaels)

2. JBL
As a kid, i hated this mans guts and if i were to post this back then, i would have said he is just annoying. but now that i am older and wrestling forums have educated me i can understand that the man was a genius on the mic, but really did suck as a wrestler. But I do feel that if JBL was wwe champion during his beer drinking and ass kicking days with farooq, he would have made a more interesting and better champion

1. The Great Khali
Well he cant wrestle, cant talk (literally) and has no charisma. so Khali earns the # spot on my list.

 

[Sivsyboi]

The Great Khali - Thank god he was champion for only one month. Far two slow.

He was champ for two months...Or a bit more. He made at least two defences.

My worst champ is...for skill it has to be Vince McMahon as ECW Champion. I don't tink he even did any wrestling for more than 15 minutes during his whole 3 month reign! He had Shane and the Samoan Sumo (Umaga) do it for him!

 

[Kyphael]

In no particular order...

"Big Daddy Cool" Diesel: Did anyone give a crap about this guy? I mean, sure, he had a decent fanbase but obviously that wasn't enough as the year he was champion, if I'm not mistaken, was the company's least profitable year. Maybe Shawn Michaels' first title reign was just as poor from a business standpoint but at least the man produced memorable matches with his opponents and then went on to headline a faction that turned the business around for his company. What did Nash do? Ride the coattail of Hogan in the nWo, have more crappy matches as champion and forgetable rivalries.

Sycho Sid: What a crappy name? Why not spell it psycho? Who the hell comes up with these names? Anyway, Sid being able to have good matches with smaller opponents is no excuse. It is equivalent of having a monkey flip around a totem pole while it stands there. I have never seen Sid do anything impressive, I doubt he drew any money and he had no memorable matches or feuds. Sid/Hogan is probably the most impressive thing from his career. Then again, anyone mediocre that is paired up with Hogan will get the rub.

Honestly? Those are the only two I can think of. All the other obvious choices contributed to the company in some way or another.

Hogan: He put wrestling on the map.
Warrior: He was as big as Hogan when Hogan was the man.
Flair: Never made money but had some of the greatest matches in history and that alone has made him legendary.
Yokozuna: Had skill during his title runs and was an attraction in itself.
Andre: A once in a lifetime performer. He had an aura about him. Sure, he couldn't talk, he couldn't move well but he was Andre the Giant and when Vince McMahon announced him, it drew people in.
Mick Foley: The most popular superstar of the Attitude Era next to Austin before Rock turned babyface. His most impressive moment? Winning the title and THOUSANDS switching over to see it even when they knew it was coming. That's how you know people care about you.

 

[jellmoo]

In no particular order:

1) Rey Mysterio: The dude is simply way too small to wrestle with the big boys, let alone hold a heavyweight title. The much larger superstars he wrestles have to practically throw themselves to make his moves look halfway decent. It's not really his fault, but his title reign was garbage because of it.

2) CM Punk: I really don't get why people like this guy. He's garbage on the mic, and he botches half his moves. The GTS is not only a ridiculous looking move, he also fails at nailing it correctly against over half the roster. Punk doesn't bring anything to the table that a champion should have.

3) Jeff Hardy: Flopping around in the ring looking like a fish out of water does not a champion make. The dude is absolute trash to watch wrestle.

 

[avi01]

1. Hulk Hogan. Great entertainer and crowd puller but hell one of the worst WWE champion ever as far as skills are concerned. Terrible wrestler. I really don`t see how this is arguable.

2. Ultimate Warrior. Runs to the ring, get mad at the ropes...charismatic but hell, skills wise, he is terrible.

3. Batista-See Warrior and add very slow.

4. Vince McMahon-The purpose of having as champ was ok but he ain`t a wrestler.

5. Kevin Nash-Side Kick-Big boot-Side Kick-Jackknife. Charismatic but not a skillful wrestler.

6. Khali/Andre. Andre was a great attraction but not skillful. Everything about Khali is bad tho.

7.Sid-See Batista.

8-JBL-TBH, I never hated him. But as far as in ring skills goes, he was bad.

Many others can make the list, like Yokozuna. Cena tho don`t belong to the list imo. He is not a superb wrestler by no means and imo quite a boring and bad champion to have BUT he ain`t THAT bad in ring.

 

[lamo78]

Cena's hour long match with HBK kicks the shit out of the 1 hour ironman match HBK had with Bret. So yeah, Cena could do an ironman match.

Worst champion skill wise? Most of the champions have been talented in their own way.

Hogan and Warrior had charisma and could hold a crowds attention all the way through their matches. Even if you dont like their mic skills there is no doubting their ring charisma, people loved them. They dont do enough moves? Fuck off thats a shit argument. They showboat? Thats the point. They botch and injure people? Who?

The Rock and Austin were exactly the same as Hogan and Warrior in that respect. Shove em' in a ring, the crowds love it. Give em' a mic, the crowds love it. Great champions.

As far as most unskilled champion goes, it's really a tough argument, Khali worked simply because he was huge. JBL worked simply because people wanted him to lose.

CM Punk worked, oh no wait he didnt. I might go with Punk, he's the worst one skillwise that I've seen, although I am inclined to agree with the guy who said Brock Lesnar, I mean athletically gifted sure, did it translate into good matches people wanted to see. Evidentally not.

It's really a tougher argument than you think.

Cena blows as a technician. He needs to go back to his Prototype gimmic where he was a robot. At least then, he was packaged right. In the ring he is a robot with no moves.

 

[Pepper Wadman]

Hmmm, one of the forum nazis deleted my post..

HHH should have been used as another Funaki,

Hahahahaha, ok! None of these guys should be anywhere near this list.

Right off the bat, HHH was (may not be now, I guess that's arguable) a really skilled wrestler. I am just going to leave it at that. Booker, despite only winning it for the reason you mentioned, is still VERY skilled and putting him on this list doesn't make any sense.

Jericho, again, maybe he didn't make it as champ, but he is fucking talented. And finally, Rey. Yes I am a firm believer he is terrible BUT his matches in WCW were amazing to this day. Making him a skilled wrestler. Your list is only based on popularity. This list is for skill. It's not even opinion that these wrestlers you have listed are talented. Good God man use your head.

Skill wise, Booker was and still is a talented wrestler deserving of a world title. HHH was a good technical wrestler. Jericho again was and still is a hell of a wrestler and is good on the mic. And finally, Rey was really talented. Maybe not world title material but you get the picture.

 

[TheGlassSnake]

I think ALOT of you on here either didn't read the thread right, or are confused about the meaning of the thread. It says "The Worse WWE or World Champion ever (skill wise)"... now then, you can spin your own meaning of that whichever way you choose, I suppose, but I think it means that who was the worst champion in WWE history, at actually wrestling.

I saw a few people here and there say CM Punk, which is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. You are entitled to your opinions, no matter how dumb they are I suppose, but when you have no evidence to back it up, it really falls flat. I think CM Punk must be the new John Cena, because it seems everybody is turning on him because Vince is pushing him alot. If anybody on here (like myself) followed the career of this man, then you would know that he is one of the most gifted wrestlers on the WWE roster, by far. So, he doesn't belong anywhere near this list.

So, the real list of the Worst Technical Wrestling Champions in WWE history is pretty simple...

1. The Great Khali -- It's been said many times already, and everytime it's always correct. This guy is the worst wrestler I have ever seen, and that's saying alot, cause I've seen Andre and the Warrior. Vince McMahon puts on a more compelling match than this 7 foot idiot.

2. Vince McMahon -- He just barely puts on a more entertaining match than Khali... but Vince has no wrestling skill either... at all. Stick to being behind the curtain, Vinnie Mac.

3. Batista -- The new Ultimate Warrior, except much, much worse. Granted, Warrior isn't good in the least either, but at least Warrior was crazy, and he knew he was insane and used it too his advantage. The guy legaly changed his name to "Warrior" after all. Batista doesn't even realize how bad he is, and that's the main problem.

4. Jeff Hardy -- Oh boy, where do I begin. The little teenage girls who scream for this idiot are gonna be mad at us, but it's true. Look, in extreme rules matches, TLC matches, Tables matches, Ladder matches, this guy is very entertaining... it's true. Nobody on here will deny that you are not entertained by this guy. But it's mostly due to the fact that you think he's gonna die 95% of the time, and you are waiting for that moment to happen. If there was no such thing as "extreme" matches in wrestling, Jeff Hardy wouldn't have made it past European Champion material... at best.

5. Goldberg -- I had to pick on the big guy. Believe you me, I was a Goldberg fan when he first showed up in WCW, just because he was killing guys left and right, and I thought to myself, "damn, who is gonna mess with this guy"... and the answer was nobody. Only until later that year when Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, Dean Malenko, and the rest of the actual wrestlers started to perform, did I start to see that Goldberg was not that spectacular in the ring, at all. When he came to the WWE, he was WAY, WAY worse. It was a horrible idea to give him a title.

That's it, the real list. Debate, compensate... master... well, whatever. Do what you will...

 

[McFoley]

A few people seem dead set on liberally interpreting the word skill so that they can just list their least favorite, or most the unpopular, world champions. I think it's clear what the original poster meant but some people just like to be contrary.

I think the obvious choice is The Great Khali. He is simply terrible. The only competition is Vince McMahon, but I'm giving him a pass because he was never meant to be a real champion. I don't buy the whole "Andre the Giant = Great Khali" argument. The videos of Andre the fans see the most today, such as WM3, are when Andre was at the very end of his career, suffering from almost crippling back pain and getting heavier and heavier. I'm not saying the guy was an amazing technical wrestler, I'm just saying he was a huge draw for a long time before the era where most of us are familiar with him, and we shouldn't just assume it was only because of the "freakshow" appeal. On the rare occasion that he put someone over in that older era, like when he was slammed by Stan Hansen, most accounts seem to agree that the matches were great. I'm guessing that most of us haven't seen those matches so we aren't really in a position to judge.

Of course, if we are only judging his skill at the time he was champion, then, yeah, he was pretty terrible.

Others who have been mentioned who I don't feel deserve to be on the list, but don't feel like writing as detailed of a defense include:

Hogan is generally underrated as wrestler because his personality was so over in comparison.

Mick Foley had great matches with many different types of opponents, had a much larger arsenal of technical moves than he is given credit for, and he innovated and popularized several spots that are commonly used.

Steve Austin is probably one of the most underrated technical wrestlers in history, because the height of his popularity came after his neck injury and so we remember him simply as a brawler and a talker.

Rey should never have been world champ, but to argue that he is unskilled is ridiculous. Same for CM Punk.

John Cena- personally, I don't like his style of wrestling. But it is a huge exaggeration to put him in the same league as Khali, Warrior, and Batista. He can work a good match when given the opportunity.

Yokozuna was a great wrestler for a short while, like during his first reign. He was faster than people give him credit for, especially for his build, and his moves looked great. Later Yokozuna though, not so much.

 

[Age of Orton]

It depends really, some say Khali some say Sid but when you check there skills and their matches at the time (before and after as world champion) they have that same squash style, Sid IMO was far better then Khali, but the worst WWE Champion has to be Vince McMahon, I appreciate him being the owner etc but please winning the tag title would of been better, but to ruin Triple H's very first world title run was shocking, but at the time we were in that era where title changes were frequent especially on RAW and Smackdown so it shouldn't of been a surprise, coupled with the fact it was the attitude era.

 

[jellmoo]

I saw a few people here and there say CM Punk, which is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. You are entitled to your opinions, no matter how dumb they are I suppose, but when you have no evidence to back it up, it really falls flat. I think CM Punk must be the new John Cena, because it seems everybody is turning on him because Vince is pushing him alot. If anybody on here (like myself) followed the career of this man, then you would know that he is one of the most gifted wrestlers on the WWE roster, by far. So, he doesn't belong anywhere near this list.

Ok then... we can have our opinion, but need evidence to back it up, whereas your opinion is some sort of gospel?

I did not follow CM Punk's career. He came from ROH, which I believe roughly translates to LAND OF THE SPOTMONKEY!!!

Sorry, souldn't resist.

Punk is a sloppy wrestler. He flails in the ring, and seems to be particularly "botchy". He isn't strong enough to pull off the majority of the moves he attempts, which is extremely evident when he wrestles somebody bigger than him, which is, unfortunately, almost everybody.

When done correctly the GTS is an ugly finisher. However, since Punk almost never hits the move correctly (much to the chagrin of JBL's, Rey Rey's, and Snitsky's faces), it looks that much worse.

So if you want to say that Punk is a better wrestler than somebody like Goldberg (and trust me, I'm not a Goldberg fan), then I have to wonder why. Sure, Punk has more moves, but at least Goldberg used his limited moveset correctly, and actually looked good doing so.

CM Punk is not main event gold material. Sorry.

 

[purephan]

yokozuna was one of the greatest big men ever!! with a unreral super kick and leg drop...oh and by the way the bonzai drop?? how many other wrestlers over 500 lbs can climb to the second rope and throw themselves out without actually crushing the guy he was working with.... every wrestler loved working with him and all the proffesionals say he was one of the best they have seen for his size!.... so thats a joke.. with that out of the way I honestly cannot believe the ultimate warrior is not on the top of everyones list. his matches(with the exception of him an hogan) were painful to watch he had no concern for the other mans body he was wrestling.. he knew nothing about wrestling, the buisiness, or the ethics involved with working with someone... by far the worst champion of all time! a complete joke!...he's just lucky andre didnt kill him cause he wanted to along with the rest of the locker room... the great khali is pretty bad too, but at least he's a giant.. u can't expect a giant to have technical or agility skills.. well andre did but he was a freak of nature( for those who think andre didnt have skills...watch some pre-hogan fued matches when he was younger! he ran around like he was rob van dam!

 

[purephan]

jeff hardy???? he has some of the best balance and agility of any man in the ring and people love to work with him because he knows how to take bumps and make others look amazing. Just because he can go extreme doesnt mean that should be held agaisnt him.. Some of the things he does in the ring, although not very technical take intense skill and natural ability... yeah he's not a submission wrestler but he's very artistic in the ring and has fantastic timing and flow throughout his matches

 

[travistragic]

Generally speaking I agree with McFoley. A lot of people are interpreting "skill" bizarrely and I think it's quite evident that the initial poster implied "technically skilled" because, well, why should we assume that he meant "abstractly skilled" (to include mic work, charisma, fan appeal etc.)? The kiddies at the FCW show love Sweet Papi Sanchez because he comes out and throws candy at the audience. But he is easily, by leaps and bounds, the worst wrestler in the promotion. You can't just say he's skilled because he's good at buying fan support with candy. Truth is, there have plenty of great skilled champions, so I don't understand why some people are upset that other people have Cena or Hogan on their list, because, skill wise, they should at least be in the bottom 10 of nearly everybody's list

5. Goldberg. Part of this is bias on my part, and I'm comfortable admitting that. I had to put up with this phony ruining my WCW for years. The few moves Goldberg did in the ring looked alright, but, come on, the guy didn't even know how to get pinned until Scott Hall used a stun gun on him! But seriously, his lack of skill ended up ending Bret Hart's career. I feel somewhat comfortable that no one on this board is going to come running to Goldberg's defense, because, well, Goldberg could give two shits about wrestling or any of us wrestling fans and none of us has a reason to give two shits about him.

4. Sid Vicious- Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. Sid Vicious readily admitted he wasn't all that talented in the ring, and you've got to at least give him some credit for that. Unfortunately. nothing could hide his lack of skill, and I think had he not been given a title run, people would remember him a little more fondly.

3. Hogan-Honky-Tonk man said when Hogan put a move on you, you never felt a thing? That makes sense, because that's exactly what it looks like. Hulk-up, slam, boot, leg drop, that's it. End of story. Yeah, we don't need to get into an argument over his popularity, but Hogan's limited technical skill and moveset makes John Cena look like Chris Benoit.

2. Vince MacMahon- Vince MacMahon in the ring kind of says something about the kind of shit Vinnie Mac likes and much of the Raw main events in general: Bad wrestling, over-the-top gimmickry, nepotism, favoritism, and, as Jericho would call it, pandering to the fans. Of course, exploiting the weaknesses of the fans to control them into liking whatever you tell them to like is definitely a remarkable skill he has, just not a technical skill.

1. Great Khali. There's nothing to add onto all that's already been said about him. There is really no way to justify arguing against him topping this list, unless you think "skill" means "marketable in India"

 

[Slam Master]

The order doesn't matter, this is just the worst ten in my opinion:


Great Khali (no explanation needed)

Batista (slow, no mic skills, barely any moves, boring)

CM Punk (no mic skills, lacks charisma, missing that intangible factor)

Ultimate Warrior (see Batista, but factor in arrogance and greed)

Diesel (Kevin Nash) (HBK made him)

Sgt. Slaughter (Cartoon-ish)

Hulk Hogan (He is the legend, but all his matches were the same and didn't tell a story)

JBL (If he was in his prime as Justin Hawk Bradshaw when he had the belt it might have been different, but he was flabby, man boobs rich heel instead)

Steve Austin (He may have been the most popular superstar ever, but it had a lot to do with swearing, drinking beer, and sticking it to the man. He also had great charisma and was a talented "entertainer")

Rey Mysterio (Good worker, but not believable as heavyweight cham

 

[Chrisjeffers]

Interesting thoughts....
Ummm...... yeah....
Kahli is defenantly number 1
Big show is number 2
hogan needs to be up here as for lack of skill he is there
Cena..... the funniest thing i ever seen was a pokemon screen shot with cena posted on it and it said "but cena cannot learn more then 4 moves"
But most wrestlers that held those titles have earned the chance!

 

[ShockTheMonkey223]

First, lets make one thig clear - ANDRE THE GIANT NEVER WON THE WWF HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP !!!!!!!

He won the belt from Hogan thanks to The Million Dollar Man paying Earl Hebner to act like his twin brother, Dave Hebner. When he tried to sell the belt to Dibiase, it was ruled invalid and the belt was vacated. So, even though Andre technically won the title, he truly didn't, so should not be considered champion.

As for worst technical champs of all time - Khali, Goldberg and Hogan.

Handing the belt over to Dibiase was invalid and the belt was vacted but Andre The Giant still won the title. He's listed in the past champions section on WWE.com.