The worse WWE or World Champ ever (skill wise)
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Well, first of all, Cena is by no means in the top 5. And, please, don't give me that tired "Five Moves of Doom" argument. The rest of your list is fairly accurate.
Now, for my worst Champion (WWE)
1. Vince McMahon- While his title run served mostly as a way to get SmackDown! on the map, it did tarnish the titles "prestige". The other reign (the one that started at Royal Rumble), was a vehicle to get his feud with Austin over on a new level.
Worlds Heavyweight Champion
CM Punk/Rey Mysterio- Both of them were sitting duck Champions (or "paper Champions"), just holding the title till one of Vince's boys were healthy enough to come in and get a run. Mysterio lost his to Booker T., so they could stick Rey in a feud with the less talented Guerrero and Chavo. And, Punk was basically "stripped" so they could push Orton and Jericho.
There ya go, that's about all I have.
Now, for my worst Champion (WWE)
1. Vince McMahon- While his title run served mostly as a way to get SmackDown! on the map, it did tarnish the titles "prestige". The other reign (the one that started at Royal Rumble), was a vehicle to get his feud with Austin over on a new level.
Worlds Heavyweight Champion
CM Punk/Rey Mysterio- Both of them were sitting duck Champions (or "paper Champions"), just holding the title till one of Vince's boys were healthy enough to come in and get a run. Mysterio lost his to Booker T., so they could stick Rey in a feud with the less talented Guerrero and Chavo. And, Punk was basically "stripped" so they could push Orton and Jericho.
There ya go, that's about all I have.
NDN Souljaa
Headbanger Mosh
Im pretty sure Stan Stasiak wasnt that great. He was a transitional champion for a few days so they could switch the title from Morales to Sammartino, I believe.
As far as modernish i would have to go with Yokozuna or Psycho Sid. The yolk just kinda waddled around and i heard sid was pretty dangerous in the ring.
As far as modernish i would have to go with Yokozuna or Psycho Sid. The yolk just kinda waddled around and i heard sid was pretty dangerous in the ring.
chocomatt12
Dark Match Jobber
1. Batista - This guy can't really do much at all. Is the modern day Warrior.
2. The Great Khali - Thank god he was champion for only one month. Far two slow.
3. The Ultimate Warrior - Same as Big Dave Batista, can't do much at all. The only move he could do correctly was a shoulder block
I couldn't think of anymore. John Cena is so underrated its unbelievable. I take it most people have forgot about his debut matches with the likes of angle and jericho. So wat if John Cena only does 5moves so did Bret Hart.
2. The Great Khali - Thank god he was champion for only one month. Far two slow.
3. The Ultimate Warrior - Same as Big Dave Batista, can't do much at all. The only move he could do correctly was a shoulder block
I couldn't think of anymore. John Cena is so underrated its unbelievable. I take it most people have forgot about his debut matches with the likes of angle and jericho. So wat if John Cena only does 5moves so did Bret Hart.
Only watchh wwe for taker
Dark Match Winner
1-Khali-punch,chop,crush that's his moves
2-U Warrior-run,run,run,shoulder block, run, slam, run,run,run, splash
3-Vince Mcmahon-don't need to explain
4-Yokozuna-Just an overweight sumo wrestler- punch,punch,punch,splat
5-cena-same as warrior, except swicth splash for slam
2-U Warrior-run,run,run,shoulder block, run, slam, run,run,run, splash
3-Vince Mcmahon-don't need to explain
4-Yokozuna-Just an overweight sumo wrestler- punch,punch,punch,splat
5-cena-same as warrior, except swicth splash for slam
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Yoko doesn't fit on these lists, he was very talented "for his size" during his early run, he was nailing superkicks for gods sake... Once his title reign ended, sure he got bigger and it all went south, but he'd lost the World title by then...
By the same argument that puts Yoko on the list, Austin's latter reigns would fit as he was so broken down that he couldn't do anything more than a thesz press/punches, kick stunner...His neck was done for before he ever won the belt... Physical limitations on once good workers do not count as untalented...
Mankind? Nowhere near the worst, limited but nowhere near the worst 5...
Here are the worst IMO...
1: Hulk Hogan - By far the most one dimensional champion ever skills wise... Charisma does not translate to skill and frankly some of those old matches are embarrassing now... especially when he is against better opposition like DiBiase, Savage or Perfect.
2: JBL - How this guy ever got a title match is beyond me much less the belt, another example of charisma overriding in-ring skill.
3: Goldberg - It was a travesty that he ever got a WWE belt. He got it cos he demanded it in his contract, no other reason.
4: Vince - Ok but lets keep it in perspective, it was angle based.
5: The Ultimate Warrior - Horrible skills wise, but worked within his limitations... his only problem was that he refused, like Hogan to job out to guys like Perfect and Rude, who actually would have made him better...
6: Sid - Another big man, but at least Sid had some level of skill, he always worked better with smaller guys than bigger ones... Had they put Savage against him at WM8, he would have been much better off... That he was given 2 seperate and distinct reigns and the matches he had show he had some skill... He was clumsy at times, but only when he strayed by doing stupid shit like top rope big boots...
If you pick Khali, you pick Andre...
By the same argument that puts Yoko on the list, Austin's latter reigns would fit as he was so broken down that he couldn't do anything more than a thesz press/punches, kick stunner...His neck was done for before he ever won the belt... Physical limitations on once good workers do not count as untalented...
Mankind? Nowhere near the worst, limited but nowhere near the worst 5...
Here are the worst IMO...
1: Hulk Hogan - By far the most one dimensional champion ever skills wise... Charisma does not translate to skill and frankly some of those old matches are embarrassing now... especially when he is against better opposition like DiBiase, Savage or Perfect.
2: JBL - How this guy ever got a title match is beyond me much less the belt, another example of charisma overriding in-ring skill.
3: Goldberg - It was a travesty that he ever got a WWE belt. He got it cos he demanded it in his contract, no other reason.
4: Vince - Ok but lets keep it in perspective, it was angle based.
5: The Ultimate Warrior - Horrible skills wise, but worked within his limitations... his only problem was that he refused, like Hogan to job out to guys like Perfect and Rude, who actually would have made him better...
6: Sid - Another big man, but at least Sid had some level of skill, he always worked better with smaller guys than bigger ones... Had they put Savage against him at WM8, he would have been much better off... That he was given 2 seperate and distinct reigns and the matches he had show he had some skill... He was clumsy at times, but only when he strayed by doing stupid shit like top rope big boots...
If you pick Khali, you pick Andre...
WWE4LIFE12
New Member
There are 2 guys that come to mind with NO Skill
1) Steve Austin - this guy had 3 moves. Kicks in the corner, Lou Thez Press and the Stunner. Just because he came out drank some beer and gave Vince the finger does not equal talent. This guy has no one but Bret Hart and The Rock to thank for carrying him in the ring for 4 out of his 7 Wrestlemania Matches. He could work the MIC which is why he was liked.
2) Kevin Nash - now this guy is the MOST OVER-RATED champion ever. Ratings went into the crapper for both WWE and WCW when this guy held the belt. His MIC skills are terrible and he only have 2 moves. Choking a guy with his boot in the corner and the jack-knife. Can someone tell me how bad he is in TNA cause i dont bother to watch. And booking yourself to end Goldberg streak....can you say EGO?
1) Steve Austin - this guy had 3 moves. Kicks in the corner, Lou Thez Press and the Stunner. Just because he came out drank some beer and gave Vince the finger does not equal talent. This guy has no one but Bret Hart and The Rock to thank for carrying him in the ring for 4 out of his 7 Wrestlemania Matches. He could work the MIC which is why he was liked.
2) Kevin Nash - now this guy is the MOST OVER-RATED champion ever. Ratings went into the crapper for both WWE and WCW when this guy held the belt. His MIC skills are terrible and he only have 2 moves. Choking a guy with his boot in the corner and the jack-knife. Can someone tell me how bad he is in TNA cause i dont bother to watch. And booking yourself to end Goldberg streak....can you say EGO?
ShockTheMonkey223
Occasional Pre-Show
Since this is Sports-Entertainment, I'm factoring in mic skill/charisma and marketability as well as in-ring performance so guys like Cena, Warrior, and McMahon won't be on it.
Andre The Giant
The Great Khali
Yokozuna
Although you can't discount their "attraction" appeal, obviously none of them were/are great athletes and didn't have any mic skills either. That's not to say that they shouldn't have won the title but you just can't compare them to guys like Taker, HBK, Savage, HHH, etc...
Brock Lesnar
While he certainly had more in-ring ability than the three above, he wasn't anything special and combining that with his lack of personality/mic skills has to leave him in the bottom 5.
Randy Orton
The guy just has no charisma whatesoever and the ratings drop every time they put the belt on him so he's definitely a failure from a business standpoint. Plus, he's not as good athletically as other personality-lacking champions like Benoit and RVD so they get the edge over him.
Andre The Giant
The Great Khali
Yokozuna
Although you can't discount their "attraction" appeal, obviously none of them were/are great athletes and didn't have any mic skills either. That's not to say that they shouldn't have won the title but you just can't compare them to guys like Taker, HBK, Savage, HHH, etc...
Brock Lesnar
While he certainly had more in-ring ability than the three above, he wasn't anything special and combining that with his lack of personality/mic skills has to leave him in the bottom 5.
Randy Orton
The guy just has no charisma whatesoever and the ratings drop every time they put the belt on him so he's definitely a failure from a business standpoint. Plus, he's not as good athletically as other personality-lacking champions like Benoit and RVD so they get the edge over him.
I don't know about top 5, but skills-wise, you can't look far past JBL and Great Khali. These two are definately the worst champions I've ever seen, and thoroughly undeserving.
I think whoever (Blue Jackets Fan) put Mysterio and CM Punk on their list is either insane or just didn't read the thread properly. We're talking skills here, in-ring technique, not mis-managed champions. There's plenty of threads about for those of Jeff Hardy / Rey Mysterio / CM Punk / Many others who haven't been given enough chance.
I think whoever (Blue Jackets Fan) put Mysterio and CM Punk on their list is either insane or just didn't read the thread properly. We're talking skills here, in-ring technique, not mis-managed champions. There's plenty of threads about for those of Jeff Hardy / Rey Mysterio / CM Punk / Many others who haven't been given enough chance.
I really like this thread. But there is one thing so clear. That is The Great Khali as worst skilled champ ever. He won the title in a battle royal, on top of that whenever he'd be in the ring the fans would chant "you can't wrestle!" I've only seen the fans chant this at Great Khali and it's true. He has such a low skill level if not for his size WWE would've never made him champ.
ShockTheMonkey223
Occasional Pre-Show
But Khali was champion is THIS era where fans are much more brash. If Andre The Giant was around in this era instead of the old days, he would get boring chants as well. And instead of being a legend, he would be critized just like Khali. They're pretty much exactly alike.
First, lets make one thig clear - ANDRE THE GIANT NEVER WON THE WWF HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP !!!!!!!
He won the belt from Hogan thanks to The Million Dollar Man paying Earl Hebner to act like his twin brother, Dave Hebner. When he tried to sell the belt to Dibiase, it was ruled invalid and the belt was vacated. So, even though Andre technically won the title, he truly didn't, so should not be considered champion.
As for worst technical champs of all time - Khali, Goldberg and Hogan.
He won the belt from Hogan thanks to The Million Dollar Man paying Earl Hebner to act like his twin brother, Dave Hebner. When he tried to sell the belt to Dibiase, it was ruled invalid and the belt was vacated. So, even though Andre technically won the title, he truly didn't, so should not be considered champion.
As for worst technical champs of all time - Khali, Goldberg and Hogan.
mr.davidson
Pre-Show Stalwart
I Knew a post would come up like this at some point...
Someone here is looking for the answer Hogan to be given..... The truth is Hogan knows how to wrestle....Just look at his match with Breat Hart in WCW It was a good tech match...
The truth is hogan doesnt do tech wrestling cause he doesnt have to..... he knows better...... in the end he is entertaining and the best champion ever.... so if anyone wants to debate that go ahead... but money and fame doesnt lie.... he is the best...
just wanted to clarify that before i went on
cause I just have a feeling that this is where this is going...
Now skill wize the worst ever would have to be warrior or even dusty rhodes... When i hear of other wrestlers talk about them.... u always hear of them being stiff in the ring....and when you are stiff it always leads to injury... and to be honest in wrestling one of the most important things is to not hurt the guy you are facing..... U have to be able to trust that person not to hurt you in order to have a good match......
Honky Tonk Man said it best...... "Dust Rhodes was stiff and Sh*t When he hit you it hurt like hell..... When Hogan did a move on you... you never felt a thing"
Also Bobby Henann said it best to.... " The Warrior did know how to wrestle in a match he press slams me then walks away and lets me drop on my face"
SOOOOOOOOO yeah there is my vote...
as i said hope this issue doesnt turn into a Hogan HAting page cause thats where i see it leading!!
Someone here is looking for the answer Hogan to be given..... The truth is Hogan knows how to wrestle....Just look at his match with Breat Hart in WCW It was a good tech match...
The truth is hogan doesnt do tech wrestling cause he doesnt have to..... he knows better...... in the end he is entertaining and the best champion ever.... so if anyone wants to debate that go ahead... but money and fame doesnt lie.... he is the best...
just wanted to clarify that before i went on
cause I just have a feeling that this is where this is going...
Now skill wize the worst ever would have to be warrior or even dusty rhodes... When i hear of other wrestlers talk about them.... u always hear of them being stiff in the ring....and when you are stiff it always leads to injury... and to be honest in wrestling one of the most important things is to not hurt the guy you are facing..... U have to be able to trust that person not to hurt you in order to have a good match......
Honky Tonk Man said it best...... "Dust Rhodes was stiff and Sh*t When he hit you it hurt like hell..... When Hogan did a move on you... you never felt a thing"
Also Bobby Henann said it best to.... " The Warrior did know how to wrestle in a match he press slams me then walks away and lets me drop on my face"
SOOOOOOOOO yeah there is my vote...
as i said hope this issue doesnt turn into a Hogan HAting page cause thats where i see it leading!!
BigDaddyKewl
Getting Noticed By Management
I disagree with people saying Warrior was the worst of all time. He had a lot of momentum after Wrestlemania 6. He had some good matches during his reign against Rude, Dibiase, Slaughter. Also people are always dissing Big Daddy Cool but nobody was drawing but Bret wasnt drawing either so they gave Nash the ball. Any wrestler whos over 6'6 300 + lbs is going to have limitations. The fans love to see the Power house type wrestlers and that is why guys like Sid, Batista, Warrior, Goldberg and Nash get pushed.
I'm going purely on wrestling skill, personality is irrelevant
Ultimate Warrior - Awful, just abysmal. I can't watch his matches
Hulk Hogan - Thank god the 80's are over and people can actually wrestle now
The Great Khali - Oh no, wait, they're back
Batista - He's been around for about 7 years and he's worse now than when he begun
Jeff Hardy - Talent? What talent? He's a glorified stuntman whose only ability is throwing himself around like a ragdoll. He can't wrestle, couldn't even put on a smooth match against his brother, he looks breakable and totally lacks credibility as champion.
As far as skilled but crap champions
Sid - Ok as a transitional champ, taking the belt off Shawn and sticking it on him when your business is going down? Bad idea
Triple H - Just plain don't like him and never have.
JBL - Seriously? Acolyte Bradshaw as WWE champion? Yeah right
Goldberg - This isn't WCW, we actually require wrestling
Rey Mysterio - There's only one reason he got the belt
CM Punk - Nothing about him says champion, nothing.
Mr McMahon - ...
Ultimate Warrior - Awful, just abysmal. I can't watch his matches
Hulk Hogan - Thank god the 80's are over and people can actually wrestle now
The Great Khali - Oh no, wait, they're back
Batista - He's been around for about 7 years and he's worse now than when he begun
Jeff Hardy - Talent? What talent? He's a glorified stuntman whose only ability is throwing himself around like a ragdoll. He can't wrestle, couldn't even put on a smooth match against his brother, he looks breakable and totally lacks credibility as champion.
As far as skilled but crap champions
Sid - Ok as a transitional champ, taking the belt off Shawn and sticking it on him when your business is going down? Bad idea
Triple H - Just plain don't like him and never have.
JBL - Seriously? Acolyte Bradshaw as WWE champion? Yeah right
Goldberg - This isn't WCW, we actually require wrestling
Rey Mysterio - There's only one reason he got the belt
CM Punk - Nothing about him says champion, nothing.
Mr McMahon - ...
Bret Hart did not just have 5 moves. Do you honestly think Cena could pull off an Ironman match? That would be horrible to watch. Bret told stories with his matches where as Cena can't do anything.
There are a lot of good points here, but there are some wrestlers who simply could not wrestle a good match in my opinion. I noticed that a few people have said that Hogan had a good match against Bret or that Warrior had a good match against Rude.
I think that the problem with that argument is that the opponents carried those matches. You are only as good as your opponant makes you look so that is the fault in that logic. Bret Hart and Rick Rude could work a match and sell it like few can today. Because of that, they made Hogan and Warrior look good better than they were.
I think that the problem with that argument is that the opponents carried those matches. You are only as good as your opponant makes you look so that is the fault in that logic. Bret Hart and Rick Rude could work a match and sell it like few can today. Because of that, they made Hogan and Warrior look good better than they were.
Dre Guevara
Pre-Show Stalwart
Ultimate Warrior was the worst champion. Hogan & Rude carried those matches & made him look good.
JenovasWitness
SHINING WIZARD!!
So...at Wrestlemania 6...which wrestler carried the match between these two? This was a decent match that had the crowd hooked the entire way through. Either this was a bloody miracle or one of them is better then you think.
My vote is that Hogan carried that match, but I could be wrong.
foundation611
Occasional Pre-Show
Actually let's get one thing clear Andre is listed in the WWE title history for the WWE championship so they acknowledge he was champ even if only for a few minutes so he was WWE Champion. End of story. Anybody who thinks Hogan or even Cena are the worst or even belongs on this list knows nothing about wrestling and I can't stand Cena.
Cena's hour long match with HBK kicks the shit out of the 1 hour ironman match HBK had with Bret. So yeah, Cena could do an ironman match.
Worst champion skill wise? Most of the champions have been talented in their own way.
Hogan and Warrior had charisma and could hold a crowds attention all the way through their matches. Even if you dont like their mic skills there is no doubting their ring charisma, people loved them. They dont do enough moves? Fuck off thats a shit argument. They showboat? Thats the point. They botch and injure people? Who?
The Rock and Austin were exactly the same as Hogan and Warrior in that respect. Shove em' in a ring, the crowds love it. Give em' a mic, the crowds love it. Great champions.
As far as most unskilled champion goes, it's really a tough argument, Khali worked simply because he was huge. JBL worked simply because people wanted him to lose.
CM Punk worked, oh no wait he didnt. I might go with Punk, he's the worst one skillwise that I've seen, although I am inclined to agree with the guy who said Brock Lesnar, I mean athletically gifted sure, did it translate into good matches people wanted to see. Evidentally not.
It's really a tougher argument than you think.
I believe you need to learn what skills are in professional wrestling.
I thought Khali was a great champion. He pissed you off so much you watched to see him lose the title. I marked out when Batista won it from him, and I hate Batista.
Again, it got so much heat it was good in the long run. Legit pissing off fans is pretty hard.
The guy who beat Hogan clean at Mania and got cheered during Hulkamania? One of the most over people in the business?
THE biggest babyface int he company since Austin? Now you really are talking crap.
You need to realise the term "skill" in professional wrestling is not who can throw the perfect suplex, it is who draws thee most and tells the best story. It is who gets people most interested in their performances. You picked some of the most talked about champions.
The worst champions skill wise are the ones who no one gives two shits about their run. Those who you cannot mention a single stand out moment from their title runs.
Title runs like Mysterio's and CM Punk's spring to mind.
If you want to pick your five, say "who was the worst technical wrestler to have won the wwe or world champ".
I thought Khali was a great champion. He pissed you off so much you watched to see him lose the title. I marked out when Batista won it from him, and I hate Batista.
Again, it got so much heat it was good in the long run. Legit pissing off fans is pretty hard.
The guy who beat Hogan clean at Mania and got cheered during Hulkamania? One of the most over people in the business?
Again, one of the most over people. The guy whose title win nicked thousands and thousands of WCW's viewers?
THE biggest babyface int he company since Austin? Now you really are talking crap.
You need to realise the term "skill" in professional wrestling is not who can throw the perfect suplex, it is who draws thee most and tells the best story. It is who gets people most interested in their performances. You picked some of the most talked about champions.
The worst champions skill wise are the ones who no one gives two shits about their run. Those who you cannot mention a single stand out moment from their title runs.
Title runs like Mysterio's and CM Punk's spring to mind.
If you want to pick your five, say "who was the worst technical wrestler to have won the wwe or world champ".
chocomatt12
Dark Match Jobber
Bret Hart did not just have 5 moves. Do you honestly think Cena could pull off an Ironman match? That would be horrible to watch. Bret told stories with his matches where as Cena can't do anything.
Have you ever watched Cena vs HBK? Cena vs Jericho? Cena vs Angle? Yes i know he is in the ring with some of the very best but the matches are incredible to watch. I know the Cena haters hate him cause of the character but he is good and so underated.
John Cena should be no where near any of these lists. He can do many things in the ring but for him to get over with his character all he has to do is the 5 move combo which several wrestlers in the past used to build up to the end. eg Stone Cold, Bret Hart, The Rock and HBK
Have you ever watched Cena vs HBK? Cena vs Jericho? Cena vs Angle? Yes i know he is in the ring with some of the very best but the matches are incredible to watch. I know the Cena haters hate him cause of the character but he is good and so underated.
John Cena should be no where near any of these lists. He can do many things in the ring but for him to get over with his character all he has to do is the 5 move combo which several wrestlers in the past used to build up to the end. eg Stone Cold, Bret Hart, The Rock and HBK
I like this thread. Anyways my list is below this.
1. The Great Khali- He blows big time in the ring. He's big, he's slow & he barely can move as it is. His world title run was unforgettable.
2. Batista- A basic carbon copy of The Ultimate Warrior except that Batista isn't as insane in the head as Warrior is. Batista sucks in the ring, sucks on the mic & is just plain boring overall.
3. JBL- Sure he has good mic skills, but his fat ass was never ever world champion material. He never deserved a championship run & I still wonder to this day on why he was given the belt in the first place.
4. Vince McMahon- No explanation needed.
5. David Arquette- Again no explanation needed. Just dumb dumb WCW Creative Team.
1. The Great Khali- He blows big time in the ring. He's big, he's slow & he barely can move as it is. His world title run was unforgettable.
2. Batista- A basic carbon copy of The Ultimate Warrior except that Batista isn't as insane in the head as Warrior is. Batista sucks in the ring, sucks on the mic & is just plain boring overall.
3. JBL- Sure he has good mic skills, but his fat ass was never ever world champion material. He never deserved a championship run & I still wonder to this day on why he was given the belt in the first place.
4. Vince McMahon- No explanation needed.
5. David Arquette- Again no explanation needed. Just dumb dumb WCW Creative Team.
LokiCobain
Getting Noticed By Management
I have to pick Andre. Khali is just a modern version of him, but the times are different so Khali doesn't get the respect Andre seemed to get. I would also have to go Hulk Hogan. He (and Andre) were before my time, but I own the Wrestlemania and Royal Rumble box sets and have seen many of their matches over the years. 15 years undefeated for Andre the Giant and no title shot, maybe his abilities had something to do with it? He was a "circus attraction", like Khali, and never meant to have anything more than squash matches. Hogan had the charisma to not worry about his actual ability. I've seen a match where he messed up the leg drop. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but it's just food for thought.
Someone no one has mentioned is Jeff Hardy. He's never been a "wrestler", and always fell under the "superstar" title. Matt Hardy at least does wrestling moves, while Jeff Hardy kinda just throws himself. I love the guy, and he's very good at getting thrown around, but as far as actual wrestling goes, would he not qualify as a worse wrestler than Cena? or other guys mentioned?
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